Lose and You're in (the Quarterback Sweepstakes)
We will spend the rest of the week giving this weekend's matchup its due. I look at the Seahawks hosting the Rams as kind of like a bowl game. It's not the two best teams, but it is two evenly matched teams playing for pride and validation of their season. Neither team really earned their way into this position, and a lot of politics and convention made this matchup possible, but at least the Seahawks are playing meaningful football for a weekend and against an opponent roughly of the same ability. It's not meaningless, it's not a sure loss, and it's not a sure win, and that elevates this weekend's game above 11 of the 15 games Seattle has played. Week two's blowout loss to the Broncos didn't seem like a sure loss until the second quarter, and so at least we had the anticipation.
If Seattle loses, well that's not so bad either. Unlike a bowl game, losing helps recruiting. How much, well, let's see how last weekend's slate of games has changed Seattle's draft outlook.
1. Panthers
Carolina has clinched the first overall selection. I do not think Andrew Luck declares, and though Jimmy Clausen is well on his way to busting out of the league, he's young, cheap and from a dispassionate strategic standpoint, whoever takes over for John Fox can ride Clausen/Pike/Moore for a season, and if doesn't work out, draft a quarterback in the 2012 draft and buy themselves some time. So I think it is unlikely the Panthers select a quarterback, especially with a lights out defensive end prospect like Da'Quan Bowers available. Bowers and Charles Johnson could bookend an elite defensive line.
2. Broncos
3. Bengals
4. Bills
Ryan Fitzpatrick fell to Earth last Sunday, finishing 18 of 37 for 251 yards and three interceptions. Add in two sacks for -7 yards and he finished with 2.85 ANY/A against a mediocre Patriots pass defense. Fitzpatrick is only completing 57.8% of his passes, 90% of league average. That's pretty damning. The Bills probably should draft a quarterback and I am starting to anticipate that Buffalo will draft a quarterback, so take whoever you think ranks highest off the board.
5. Cardinals
John Skelton had arguably the best game of his career last Saturday. He completed 44% of his passes for 183 yards. 74 of those 183 yards were gained with one completion. I certainly hope the Cardinals believe Skelton is the future, but it would be pretty damn surprising. I think Arizona drafts a quarterback.
That knocks out the top two, and it's from the top two Seattle would want to pick their quarterback of the future from if possible. After the top two quarterbacks, there is no meaningful difference between the third through fifth quarterback taken. That's a very broad forecast. Specifically, unless one of Ryan Mallett or Andrew Luck declares, Buffalo and Arizona selecting in front of Seattle probably means Cam Newton and Jake Locker are off the board.
Then we get:
6. 49ers
I think San Francisco signs a free agent. The 49ers start a lot of "in their prime" talent and have the very bad taste of Alex Smith fresh on their tongue.
7. Cowboys
8. Texans
9. Lions
10. Browns
Colt McCoy (probably).
11. Vikings
Seattle can move ahead of the Vikings if the Vikings win tomorrow night.
That puts Seattle at 12 with an outside shot at 11. Based on strength of schedule, the Seahawks can still move ahead of the Vikings, Browns, Lions, Texans, Cowboys and 49ers if the Seahawks lose and any one of those five teams wins. The Vikings and Lions play each other, and so that cancels out. Though, thinking it through, if the Vikings win tomorrow, and the Lions win in week 17, the Seahawks could leapfrog the Vikings and Lions and move into the sixth spot.
Assuming a Vikings loss against the Eagles, which seems very probable, Seattle can move as high as seventh overall, which isn't quite early enough to overtake the Cardinals and Bills for a chance at one of the two top quarterbacks, but is early enough in the first round for Seattle to be able to trade down without spending the rest of their draft.
By the trade value chart, the difference between the sixth overall pick and the third overall pick is 700 points or equivalent to the 26th overall pick in the draft. Even if Carolina selects a quarterback first overall, the third overall pick is the target. It allows Seattle a shot at whichever one of Newton or Locker is still available. For Seattle to get there, they would probably have to trade a second, a fourth and maybe a fifth, which wipes out a sizable portion of their draft class. If Seattle can add young talent through free agency, and this should be a bountiful class, that just might be worth it.
The draft is a long ways away, but an important part of the Seahawks future will be decided this weekend. The Seahawks play the last game of the regular season. I wonder, if the Browns, Texans, Cowboys and 49ers lose, is it prudent to hope the Seahawks do too? 12 to 21 isn't the end of the world, especially since Seattle should have a shot at the third through fifth quarterback selected regardless, but 7 to 21 is a huge jump, both objectively and relatively. Seattle loses 14 AVR in the first round and another five in the second. 19 AVR is the equivalent of an early third round pick. Relatively, Seattle loses out on any realistic shot at drafting one of the top two quarterback prospects, and that puts Seattle in the running for one of Pat Devlin, Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder. Devlin, Gabbert and Ponder might all be available in the second round or later, because Devlin, Gabbert and Ponder each have a very small chance of ever becoming a franchise quarterback.
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Do you think the Bengals will stick with Carson Palmer?
Especially if they have a new coach I think they’ll be in the QB hunt too.
Damn,
Was about to make a comment about the same exact thing. I think that it is extremely possible – perhaps even likely – that the Bengals try to move in a new direction at QB.
It doesn't seem like Carson is the same QB he was.
He looks uncomfortable and it doesn’t seem like he has any zip on the ball. If there’s a new coach then they won’t have any ties to him either.
His performance is above average, he just destroyed one of the best pass defenses in the NFL
and his line is terrible beyond recognition.
He's also had some terrible perfomances this year.
See Carolina.
I’m not saying that they definately will take a QB, but I do think a new regime would consider going in another direction.
Peyton Manning had a terrible performance against San Diego.
One bad game is no reason to ditch a quarterback.
A new regime may consider going in another direction, but there is virtually no reason a new regime should go in another direction and so I am not going to assume it will.
He's 27th in DVOA and 21st in ANY/A*
And he was 18th and 19th last year. And for what it’s worth his sack rate has been above average this year. So he hasn’t been good and is at a point in his career where you’d only expect him to get worse.
*Does not include Antwan Randle-El
FOs don't look at things like that.
He just needs a line/some WOs/a new young TE/and a running game, and he’ll be a winner again. Just like Matty.
Well I know Clayton has been saying for a while that he thinks the Bengals FO will draft a QB and keep Palmer for another year.
But I have no idea if Clayton is credible anymore.
Why would Clayton no longer be credible?
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
He's 27th in DVOA but 15 in DYAR.
Which I think matters when we’re talking starting quarterbacks. Players like Stanton, Young, and Seneca Wallace push down his DVOA ranking, but are not truly comparable.
I agree that one bad game is no reason to ditch a QB.
I brought up his bad game against Carolina only because you mentioned him destroying San Diego. Palmer right now is 5 spots lower than Hasselbeck in WPA and he hasn’t looked like the same QB he once was. Add that in with a regime change and I think it’s fair to speculate that they’ll draft a QB early.
WPA isn't a good stat for measuring a player's quality or future.
It’s dependent on game state, and stuff that is essentially non-repeatable like pick sixes factor in heavily.
John
A certain QB is preparing to make a certain debut on a certain week 17 matchup vs. the Cowboys this week.
1. Pat Devlin 2.Jalil Brown 3. Kendric Burney 4. Tyler Sash 5.
I wouldn't call it a debut for Kevin Kolb.
by John Morgan on Dec 27, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's a certain legit/illegitimate article
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7354773.html
This week, when the Eagles prepare to host the Cowboys in the regular-season finale, Philadelphia rookie quarterback Mike Kafka likely will be imitating McGee.
1. Pat Devlin 2.Jalil Brown 3. Kendric Burney 4. Tyler Sash 5.
It takes a certain amount of care to respond to such fetishizing
1. Pat Devlin 2.Jalil Brown 3. Kendric Burney 4. Tyler Sash 5.
I think Palmer has been poor
But he’s played well his last 2 games and they’ll keep him for sure.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Not to mention he's been very lucky this year on dropped INTs that hit defenders in the hands.
I know Bill Simmons was counting them, and he was up to around 7 pretty early in the year. I would love to give him a shot if the Bengals gave up on him, but we better not give up more than a 5th for him.
by Mind of no mind on Dec 27, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
And Jersey Shore.
And Karate Kid.
And Rocky IV.
And his list of “Insert Name Here All-Stars” .
And his idiotic friends.
And his wife who sounds like she immediately regretted marrying him.
FG's second favorite football-illiterate semi-troll.
And Vegas, don't forget Vegas.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
He doesn't claim to be an analyst.
He’s a funny guy who writes an entertaining column, some of which are actually informative. He bit on sabermetrics, and I’ve seen him reference advanced statistics regarding football. He’s certainly a niche writer, but please don’t assess him as an analyst. Rip on Clayton for that.
Love the game, love the beer, love your team.
by THolt on Dec 28, 2010 12:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
but I think the Bengals would be drafting number one with him.
Would he want out of Cincy though. He’s a west coast guy and Cincy hasn’t exactly given him a chance to win.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
Overall, I see them in a similar situation as the Seahawks. A veteran QB on a downward trend and an underwhelming backup (Jordan Palmer). No, I don’t think Palmer is as bad as Hasselbeck, but with high draft position and several great QBs in the draft I really think they will try to pick one up so that IF Palmer is done they’ll have somebody good to take over immediately.
Palmer is 31, signed through 2014, and has looked up recently.
For a team with quite a few other problems, spending a high draft pick on a quarterback would be awfully foolish.
Well now that is true
And there is a LOT that will happen between now and draft day that will determine which direction they go. I still see some scenarios that could unfold that might lead to the drafting of a QB, but perhaps they are not as likely as I initially thought.
Dear, Seahawks nation
The 49ers have officially been eliminated from the NFC West playoff race. Meaning, the Cardinals and 49ers are the true winners of the conference.
Best of Luck, hope you go deep into the playoffs :)
1. Pat Devlin 2.Jalil Brown 3. Kendric Burney 4. Tyler Sash 5.
It's a shame that this QB class leaves a lot to be desired.
There isn’t really a single polished passer in the bunch and most look like pretty hefty projects. The Eagles must be salivating at the price they’ll be able to extract for Kolb.
I thought this was a good year for QBs?
When’s the last time there’s been so many QB’s getting first round consideration?
Newton is less of a risk than Locker, in my opinion
Locker’s accuracy sucks and I think placing the blame on the receivers is losing its edge.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 27, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Newton is carrying a ton of baggage and could be a one year wonder
or he could shake it off and be the real deal.
I don't give a damn if they remove his Heisman
He better declare now to be a rich MFer and watch Jeremy Bates play with him and expand his playbook.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Like I said yesterday, College Scandal Offense!
HC: Pete Carroll
WR: BMW (Did he not sit out a year because they changed draft eligibility? We’ll go with that.)
QB: Cam Newton
RB: Reggie Bush
Accustomed to mediocrity.
True, but even the most talented players in college have to have a work ethic and responsibility level
see BMW
It will be a concern for pro teams.
What does that have to do with football?
And that laptop story is trash. Read the story again.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
He's a one-year wonder like Kevin Durant was a one year wonder.
by John Morgan on Dec 27, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sonics fans will always cry harder over this.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 27, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
What is this NBA you speak of?
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Pritchard was a great trader...
but that was one stupid move picking old man Oden.
Too bad the league folded.
Yes because they are all the same
I’m just saying its something to look at. He may turn out to be great, but there are lots of flash in the pan guys who don’t
No to throw an atom bomb, but have you watched much of Newton?
It’s not like we’re working from numbers here. The guy has arguably the greatest tools of any quarterback in the history of the NFL. He’s Michael Vick with size.
by John Morgan on Dec 27, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I live in the nexus between FSU, Florida, Alabama and Auburn
You where the wrong colors around here and people will throw down. Most people see me on Saturday’s and think I’m an LSU fan.
But that doesn’t answer the question. I saw about 5 or 6 games this year and yes he was amazing in all of them. Yet he isn’t considered the number one overall. He has lots of pro’s and a couple of cons, but yes I think he will be in the top 5 at the end of the day.
Well, that's the argument for Newton.
I don’t think anyone is saying he couldn’t bust. He most certainly can bust, and maybe even has an above average chance at busting, but if he fulfills his potential, his upside is that of a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Or Culpepper.
Or McNair, or Moon, or Cunningham. They are all fitting comparisons because they’re all black.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Dec 27, 2010 4:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jumarcus? Really?
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
System guy
probably a bit of Vince Young in him, won’t realize that talent alone won’t win games in the NFL.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
The QBs in this draft have an insane amount of upside, tons of physical tools.
Doesn’t mean they’re NFL-ready prospects. With good coaching, maybe we’ll see three of the best QBs of their generation come out of this draft alone…but that’s a pretty big maybe.
Thats only cause there is no clear cut #1
If Luck returns to Stanford.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 27, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone read anything that indicates Luck will NOT return?
He’s already said he wants to stay, and no one is even sure there will be an NFL next year, so I’m not sure why people think there is a chance he will declare.
Everything I've heard points to him returning.
I just don’t see how you can pass up being a sure #1 pick.
I'd expect someone at Stanford to be better equipped to do risk analysis on staying an additional year
than someone from USC, Oklahoma or UW though
If Luck doesn't declare do you still draft a QB in the first round ?
Say we win Sunday and draft 21. Why not build up our Oline or DE or CB with our picks and maybe grab a QB in the late rounds and suck next year. We would have a tougher schedule next year. It would be a gamble but a gamble that might pay off with a better QB than anything coming out this year.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
The one where we can bolt ahead of other teams to get a QB they might need.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Hawk(pawn) Give up our draft for one QB
Like Knox did to get Warner. Which did work out well but this is not the 1983 Hawks and we need alot more then that team needed to be solid.
IF IT IS TRUE THEN WE ARE SO SCREWED
Seattle has a lot more needs than will be met in one off-season
no matter if they trade multiple picks or not.
Left Guard looked like a big need! And a corner or 3...
by Trojan Knight on Dec 27, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Guards are easier to find later on.
Top QBs and LTs are not.
It is safe to say Jenning is Russell levels of bad
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Its what will improve them the most the fastest
and it’s what will limit whatever else they do until they fix it.
The aforementioned tougher schedule
Home
NFC West Opp
Pittsburgh
Cleveland (HOLMGREN’S RETURN!)
Dallas
NY Giants
New Orleans (as things stand)
Away
NFC West Opp
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Philadelphia
Washington
Green Bay
That is a brutal road schedule. I think we will be sucking next year even with a rookie QB.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
To clarify, if Seattle wins the NFC West
We’ll see the NFC South winner which is almost certainly Atlanta’s now. If they don’t win then it’s either Tampa Bay or New Orleans.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Loses to Arizona and Cleveland at home.
That’s the only 2 I see. 14-2 seem right.
If I'm going to root for an all-tools QB starting for my Seahawks it better be Jake Locker.
by The Manchild on Dec 27, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Quarterbacks need time. The longer Seattle puts off drafting a quarterback, the longer it waits to compete again
and, further, if the quarterback busts, the longer it takes for Seattle to realize that and draft someone else.
I'd almost rathrt wait and get a complete prospect than take a chance on a project QB
I know every one is heart and sold on Locker but I just don’t see him as part of our success next year.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
I would burn down an orphanage for Luck to be a Seahawk.
I would probably blow up The Lake Woebegon Dolphin & Kitten shelter for Barkley to be a Seahawk.
I have a lot of reservations about Luck
He might be good, but QBs usually play different under pressure and he surely will be under pressure in the NFL. He has never had to face that in college. He OL is way ahead of anyone else. He may due just fine with it, but it is an area to wonder about.
I have concerns about orphans.
So it’s a wash.
by Kryten on Dec 27, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Those are the worst. I grew up with all strong-willed sisters.
I’m pretty sure I’ve been Pavlov’d into having one of those days every 3 weeks.
by DJ C-Raig on Dec 27, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I tried but got no response.
So I went with typing instead.
by Kryten on Dec 27, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe. Manning did it for 45 starts.
I am not sure we will see another Manning. He’s the Tiger Woods of football.
and general douchiness
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Play with your kids.
So Peyton Manning doesn’t.
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
Especially since he's an ugly motherfucker.
I mean, that’s why Big Ben is always in the news for raping people. That’s the only way he can get any….
"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray
by Matt Erickson on Dec 27, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Luck is a QB's kid too.
Reads D’s and audibles in his sleep. Can run way better than Manning, and has the same smarts/mentality.
Should we be holding out for Nick Montana then?
Kinda all depends on if the kid is willing to listen to his dad at an early age.
Well, pedigree doesn't mean a ton, but I am just saying that Peyton was a pretty crazy intersection of
tools, skills, practice and insane desire. Throw in pedigree, and Manning could be once-in-a-lifetime.
Luck could be as good as Manning, but it’s a very, very high standard. If someone said in 1997 that Manning could be the best quarterback since Johnny Unitas, I would probably be equally as skeptical.
I thought I had hedged the statement pretty good
with “best prospect since”. I think he’ll be great, but am not betting on him being better than Peyton.
He'd certainly be tough to bring down in the pocket
Unless one of the defenders brought a philly cheesesteak.
I have some games recorded of Luck. I will also be recording the Stanford vs. VT game as well.
I will break down his tape this offseason.
He has really grown this season. If I were him though, I’d stay for another year.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 29, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
How could he possibly stay
if he’s losing his OL and (maybe) his coach? Dude has barely taken any sacks the last couple of years and I don’t see why he’d want to start doing it for free.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 29, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Stanford has very good depth on the line, given the recruiting that Stanford has done the last few years, and Harbaugh may not leave.
That said, an extra year of development can only benefit him.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 29, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
At the cost of losing a year in the NFL?
I don’t think that’s a guarantee or even knowable. I’m just thinking about the fact that he’s certain to be a #1 pick this year and would have to risk that to return for his senior year.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 31, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think we can pick later than 11th, unless we win on Sunday.
From your group of 11 ahead of us, DET and MIN play each other, which will move the winner out of our way— and if SF beats the Cards, that should put us at 10.
I’ll repost this from an earlier thread, since it’s more appropriate here:
Who we should root for to enhance our draft experience.
Assuming the Rams take care of business and bring our season to a close— this is our best-case-scenario.
Tuesday…
Min > Philly. (gives Minny 6 wins and behind us in the draft)
Sunday early…
Det > Min (makes both Det & MN 6-10 if the Vikes lost to the Eagles.)
CLE > Pit (makes CLE 6-10)
Sunday late…
DAL > Phil (makes DAL 6-10)
HOU > Jax (makes Hou 6-10)
SF > AZ (makes SF 6-10)
If all that happens we would pick 6th in the first round (and about 13th in the 2nd).
BONUS Late game!
SD > Den (Pushes our 4th rounder from Denver up to 2nd pick in the round, which is the start of the day 3 session. Very nice pick, regardless of what happens to our record.)
We can't even suck properly
we even suck at sucking…
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
I have to root for DALLAS?!
Boooooo!
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
Where are the Redskins in this mess?
Shanahan still has a major hard on for Locker.
My bet is we end up with Gabbert. And I’m not interested in Newton.
Well, Matt has been too much excitement for me recently.
I wouldn’t mind some boring Christian around for a while. Especially with Bates working him.
Kip is the man.
Him smart. My have his book. Read = 100%. Comprehend = some number below that.
I loved him in Men In Black
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
He looks like a kid that thinks his wonderlic score
is based on if he can touch his nose with his tongue.
by hazbro24 on Dec 27, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The only real concern I've heard of...
Is his ability to switch to a pro style offense and working his progressions.
Mechanics.
He holds the ball wrong for one. And he’s no freak athlete, his size and skill set is pretty normal for a basketball player.
He's a freak athlete.
And I am starting to think that quarterback mechanics are a pseudo science at best.
With the exception of extremes like Leftwich or Tebow quarterback mechanics don't seem to matter much.
I don't know actually, I haven't watched him throw much since he changed his release.
It was certainly a problem in the senior bowl though.
I'm pretty skeptical.
Length of release should have some impact on how long it takes DBs to react, but short of a true windmill, we’re talking fractions of a second.
I think the length is more of problem when it comes to the defensives ends
And how much longer the ball is exposed to a backside rusher.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 27, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
and he just kinda sucked
that didn’t help a lot either.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Its mostly where you hold the ball.
Which can easily be corrected.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 27, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
I like Locker. I want Locker...err... I want Locker to be the Hawks QB.
I don’t really care what it takes to get him (assuming it’s in the ballpark of value).
We are a long way from being good. He is exciting and my untrained eye thinks he has a high ceiling. I think the team NEEDS to have a new face of the franchise. If we are not going to be good, we might as well have someone the fans will be patient with.
If I'm going to root for an all-tools QB starting for my Seahawks it better be Jake Locker.
Where do the vetran QB's end up in all of this?
Where does McNabb end up? Are there any others that will be moving?
It's going to suck when/if McNabb is had for less than CW.
If I'm going to root for an all-tools QB starting for my Seahawks it better be Jake Locker.
by The Manchild on Dec 27, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Why isn't Gabbert more highly thought of
His size and numbers are great. I don’t think he will come out, but if he did, he would be a steal in the 2nd.
His numbers are not that good, especially when you compare him to Chase Daniels.
Good tools, but mediocre performance and only over two seasons.
He doesn't seem to have much arm strength from the games Ive watched
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
Speaking of character concerns
It seems like every new mock draft or board that comes out has Mallet a little lower than the last. He has amazing numbers, the bad work ethic rumors seem to have legs though. He is fun to watch when he is on.
They have legs with mock drafters but mock drafters don't have any more information about that kind of thing than me or you.
I wouldn’t worry about where anyone is on a mock draft right now, people are going to be jumping up or down rounds here by the time the bowls and combine are over.
because I'll be honest
Flacco light sounds aweful good to me right now
by farmer cam on Dec 27, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Moderately worse
Mallett is a home run thrower or nothing and I don’t like his mobility.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
He has mobility?
In every game I’ve seen Arkansas play this year, I don’t think I’ve ever seen him move out of the pocket.
From a Cardinals fan's perspective
I think it would be smart for Carolina to stick with Jimmy Clausen. He’s cheap, and maybe another year is what he needs to mature in the league. As for Buffalo, I don’t understand why their fans want Andrew Luck. They’ve got Ryan Fitzpatrick, and considering he’s only 28, and considering that he’s had a pretty good year on a pretty mediocre team, and considering that he’s pretty cheap, keeping him sounds like a great idea.
Here’s what Cardinals fans think. We had a poll, and 64% of us over at Revenge of the Birds feel that he’s good, but that we still need to get a QB via FA or the Draft. I think that if Andrew Luck somehow fell to us, we’d take him, because our Coach, Coach Whiz, would snap up the opportunity to show the fan’s that yes, he wants to win, and for the fact that it would help persuade Larry Fitzgerald to sign a new contract. So yes, if Andrew Luck fell to us, we’d almost definitely draft him.
By the way, Coach Whiz has already said that he likes what he sees from John Skelton, but has repeatedly reminded the fan’s that he’s still a rookie and isn’t ready enough to be a full-time starter. We believe he’s the future, but if Andrew Luck fell, we’d snap him up.
That’s just a Cardinals fan speaking, though. Carry on with your discussion.
Well, QB-wise, yes
I’m a Jake Locker fan, and think he could succeed in the NFL in the right enviroment, but for the Cardinals, I think it would be either Andrew Luck or drafting something we need, like an OLB or OL player. Of course, I could be wrong, and the Cardinals could surprise me/everyone by drafting a QB other than Andrew Luck, or they could even draft a WR like A.J. Green (Who’s been compared to Larry Fitzgerald) to replace Anquan Boldin.
Thanks for commenting, but ...
don’t hold your breath.
Neither team will be stupid enough to pass up a QB prospect like Luck. Especially since neither have a true franchise QB.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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We're all so pathetic...
Does anyone else find it sad that Cardinals and 49ers fans are checking into the best Hawks site on the web, and rather than talking smack about how OUR team is going to destroy YOUR team, we’re all sitting around like drunks in a bar, staring into our drinks, pining away for the man (i.e. QB) of our dreams who is going to sweep us off of our feet and make our life better forever…
Sorry. I just had to get that off of my chest.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…
I thought it was a great post. Don't apologize!
We are pathetic. Seattle is an especially hard town in which to live if you like to watch sports (unless you like women’s basketball — not that there’s anything wrong with it…)
Why are most people assuming any QB not in the top half of the draft
will be a failure? Look around the league at the best QBs. This year, just 3 of the top 10 QBs (by passer rating) were selected in the top 16 picks. Only 8 of the 22 QBs with an 80 passer rating or better were picked in the first 16 picks in a draft. It helps, but rooting for us to lose just to get a chance at a better QB? I don’t get it.
For me, I think it's less of the chance at a better QB
As it is better players throughout the draft. Depending on where the team falls in the draft, there are opportunities to get better players in each round, notably the second and 4th.
by splintrdmind on Dec 27, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
There is a big difference between a QB having a solid year, and a Franchise QB.
The QB’s taken in the top part of the 1st round historically have a much better chance of becoming a Franchise Guy, not a journeyman or flash in the pan
by CurryInAHurry59 on Dec 27, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
2010 Starting QB draft slots
1.1 p manning, m vick, c palmer, a smith, m stafford, s bradford, e manning
1.2 d mcnabb
1.3 m ryan, v young
1.4 p rivers
1.5 m sanchez
1.11 big ben, j cutler
1.17 j freeman
1.18 j flacco
1.24 a rodgers
1.25 t tebow, j campbell
2.32 d brees
2.33 b favre
2.36 k kolb
2.48 j clausen
2.52 c henne
3rd rd: m schaub, c mccoy
4th rd: d garrard
5th rd: j skelton, t smith
6th rd: t brady, m hasselbeck
7th rd: m cassel, r fitzpatrick
UDFA: t romo, j delhomme
5th rd:
1.25 j campbell, t tebow
by Davis Hsu on Dec 27, 2010 10:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Greg McElroy- Alabama
McElroy from Alabama has a 112 QB rating this year as a senior. Led Alabama to the national championship last year. 6’-3, 225 lbs. I say pick him up in the second round.
Chad Henne has shown flashes but something tells me Miami isn't sold on him.
What are the chances they make a move at QB.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
If 5 QBs are gone by pick #10...
Top 5 QBs assuming they all declare: Luck, Newton, Locker, Mallett, Gabbert
If we need to move up say 3 slots to #7 it would cost the equivalent of a third rounder or in our case- two 4th rounders… We would do this to perhaps leapfrog AZ or MIN or CLE and as painful as it would be may be worth it.
If we dont trade up or the QB does not fall to us than there are 3 players i would draft vs trade down ( Bowers / Peterson / Green ) supposedly these three players are easily worth pick #10…if the QB isnt there or one of these three then you trade down… jS said he was ready to trade down at 14 last year except if Earl Thomas fell…the trade was all set up…we have so many holes as we all know…thoughts?
by Davis Hsu on Dec 27, 2010 6:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
And if no partners to trade down then...
You go BPA with DL or CB…maybe a two gapping DE/DT or the 2nd best corner- jimmy smith or prince amukamara…d line could be marcel dareus or nick fairley or quinn …we need o line but maybe get a good LG or RT in the 2nd or 4th rd
by Davis Hsu on Dec 27, 2010 6:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
we are pretty shitty at both positions
I thought we were a year or two out but I think we have a while to go still.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on Dec 27, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
You're forgetting that 2 of DET/AZ/SF/MIN -have- to win a game next week.
Seeing as how we have the 2nd easiest SoS that would put us at 10th in most permutations if we lose.
Unless they tie in both games.
Minnesota has yet to play their week 16 game this week.
My understanding is that, for draft purposes, we’d want Minnesota to win their game tomorrow night, and then lose to Detroit in Week 17.
by splintrdmind on Dec 27, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
No way MIN beats PHI at PHI with no QB and PHI looking to clinch a bye
by Davis Hsu on Dec 27, 2010 7:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree,
I’m just saying that we’d want to root for the Vikings to win for draft positioning.
by splintrdmind on Dec 27, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. No way.
Err…
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a WIN - WIN to me.
Win the division by shitting on the detestable rams.
Win a top 10 pick by losing.
I’m rooting for a win.
BPA
As always, I hope we win and host a playoff game.
Ragardless of whether we win or not, Seattle has too many holes to pass on a more talented prospect in order to reach for a QB. We need draft picks. We already used several on QB and RB. I can’t envision a likely scenario in the upcoming draft where superior DE, DT or CB prospects will be on the board. Frankly, if Luck doesn’t declare, Locker and Newton should both be off the board. The CB class is pretty deep and teams trading ahead of us may feel they can land one in the early second and focus their attention elsewhere, sliding Peterson or Amakamura to the 8-12 range and right into our lap. Few draft pundits thought Okung would drop to us at 6, or Thomas at 14. Every year a player or two drop simply due to team needs and draft day prioritizing. If we lose next Sunday and move up to the 7 or 8 spot, I’d love for Peterson to fall into our lap.
Getting a good QB is critical for the success of this team.
Rather than SPENT, I’d say we have WASTED picks trying to get a QB. Still a huge hole. Just because we wasted picks already doesn’t mean we can stop trying now.
Locker as a pro prospect?
I get that homers want the guy to be successful. I watched him play in high school for two years. Seriously, it would be cool if he made it.
However, I wouldn’t want Seattle to gamble on him in the draft. I don’t see the “tools” that everyone else drools over. I just don’t see it. He’s not near as tall as people think. I’ve stood next to him and I’m a shade under 6’2". He’s not taller than I am. His pocket presence just makes me ill. I’ve never seen him step into a throw while being hit, and I don’t think that’s something that can be learned. You have it, or you don’t. He doesn’t. His accuracy is just plain bad by NFL standards. The numbers are pretty glaring there.
I really wish him well, just would prefer some other team to take that chance instead of the Seahawks.
Depends on where in the draft he's picked.
Top 10, very risky. Bottom 10, or the 2nd, probably worth the risk.
How tall he is will be resolved by the combine. But he’s tall enough.
Just throwing this out there
Is Brady Quinn dead?
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
by Azimeir on Dec 28, 2010 9:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Browns traded him for Peyton Hillis
And I’ll leave it to you to decide who got the better deal.
Nominated Mr. Off-Topic 2010
I knew he was in Denver
And certainly Hillis’ production trumps a guy who’s not playing at all.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox

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