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That is how many Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement passes, sacks and runs by Charlie Whitehurst were worth on Sunday. I think the really damning thing about Whitehurst's performance wasn't just how costly it was, but how incompetent he looked. It might be confirmation bias, I am sure I fall into that from time to time, but watching Charlie struggle to execute reminded me of my impressions of Whitehurst after scouting his 2009 preseason performance against the 49ers:
Whitehurst studied Turner's offense over three seasons, without pressure, but also without game experience. He looks completely and utterly unaccustomed to game speed, even preseason game speed. He seems to have enough trouble simply reading a vanilla zone, and while attempting to decipher it, shows no pocket awareness at all. Whitehurst keeps his eyes up field, but can not walk and chew bubble gum. If he showed better ability to read routes or find open receivers, maybe developing pocket presence could be a realistic goal. But seemingly flummoxed by simple zones, it's a stretch to think he will significantly improve his read and pocket awareness.
I do not see evidence of a cannon arm, a trait that might ease his impending decline, and I also do not see great accuracy. Even his calmest, least harassed, and simplest throws are around the target rather than to it. His tools seem decent. He has good arm strength, a good frame and doesn't embarrass himself on the run. Whitehurst embodies the middle round, prototypical quarterback that has never achieved great success nor tantalized with his tools, but because he looks the part, is handed a clipboard and calls it a career.
Whitehurst turns 28 August 6. He studied the same basic playbook for three years, but when asked to execute it, showed little ability, confidence, competence or promise. He now faces a new playbook and real expectations. The Chargers announcers had a healthy humor about Whitehurst. They did not ridicule him, but instead dismissed him for what he is: A third string quarterback.
Whitehurst is 28 and will be 29 before the start of the 2011 season. Many assume Whitehurst will stick around, because Seattle paid so much for him and because Seattle has no other obvious candidate for starting quarterback. Given how he looks and how little confidence we can infer the coaching staff has in him, it seems very unlikely that if Whitehurst does come back, that he will be the presumed starter. That puts Seattle in a bit of a bind.
What do you think the most likely solution is?
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It's hard to say
If we win on Sunday I think we either draft a late round prospect or none at all and start Charlie or even Matt. If we lose I think we draft a first rounder and let Charlie get his chance next year as our starter unless the rookie beats him out. However it goes I’ll just be glad this franchise and fan base can move forward and get past all this bickering.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
I voted start Charlie and develop a rookie, because thats what I think they will want to do.
But I don’t necessarily think he’ll make it very far into the season before being replaced.
I think they will sign a free agent short term stop gap
And also get a QB in the draft.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Other:
Draft rookie QB
Start a newly signed FA / traded for QB (Not Hass)
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by Nick Andron on Dec 28, 2010 12:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I voted "Other" in agreement with this and preceding comment
I don’t think you can make it through the season with Hasselbeck as he is too likely to miss significant time due to injury.
I don’t think you can make it through the season with Whitehurst as he has looked horrible.
I don’t think the team is in the position to put a rookie in there to take his lumps the first 8 games or so. Give him time to learn the offense and for the O-line to gel a bit.
So that means draft a QB and sign someone else as a placeholder.
I hope to see Charlie figure it out a little on Sunday
Cause he sure looked lost last Sunday. I am a CW supporter, only because I wanted to lose a new way, but that was a disheartening performance. I would rather he was missfiring and missing WRs then looking like he didn’t have any WRs out there at all. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during Monday film review to here what was going on. It would be great to think that it was a Matt centeric game plan and that Charlie will have something planned more to his strengths, but that leads one to think that Charlie isn’t capable to reading defenses so give him a quick throw plan, but he can’t hit the short passes, so maybe a one read then gun it long. It depresses me because he has the tools and he flashes them once in a while, but at some point we have to say, even if he can develop, we don’t want to wait anymore. I realize we haven’t waited long, but the NFL in general has.
No Hasselbeck.
Please, no Hasselbeck.
Please, please please. If we don’t address the QB situation by letting him go as a FA, then I hope the lockout happens, and lasts all year. I’m tired of this Groundhog Day that Seahawk football has become.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:05 PM PST reply actions
If Hasselbeck starts week 1
I expect this team to be reaching near ’92 levels of awfulness.
I say they get a free agent, maybe get McNabb who is a hell of a lot cheaper than Kolb and can maybe make Carroll “win now”.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
And if Hasselbeck stays in September I want Carroll and Schneider on thin ice
I’m done with this team hanging on to players way past their prime and hurting this franchise.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
by SSreporters on Dec 28, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m done with thisteamcity hanging on to players way past their prime and hurting this franchise
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
An excellent statement SSreporters, and an even better revision, SgtSasquatch.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think Charlie's as good as gone.
Isn’t he due somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 million next year? (I remember he signed for 2/10mil or something close.
I think if the FO asked themselves if they would rather spend that money on CW than locking down a Mebane or BMW or Obomanu the answer would be a resounding “Hell no”.
Schneider has done good, a lot bad
Charlie and Pistol is already two damning marks in his tenure. This was a waste of a trade.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
I think his good has still out weighed the bad.
He’s going to build this team through the draft like he did in GB.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno.
I think we’ll see another season of FA craziness. The Hawks just have too many holes to fill and too few draft picks to fill them.
Crossing my fingers for a good Over Tackle (John mentioned Johnny Jolly – obvious GB connection) and Logan Mankins to shore up G position. Doubt Pats will sign him to big money contract. They don’t roll that way.
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Wouldn't shock me to see Carlson, Tatupu, Trufant and a few others shipped off.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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Not sure if I could see Carlson in another uni...
I mean, he’s probably got the most trade value of the lot. I just think the tears would make it hard for me to see.
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
With a good QB, Carlson will shine.
The others, especially Trufant, should not be surprised if they are asked to pack their bags this off-season.
Llama's cut/release list:
Gus Bradley,Terrill, Trufant, Jennings, Locklear, Hasselbeck, Andrews, and so many more.
by Wayward Llama on Dec 28, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
I'd hate to see him go but for the right price I;d be ok with it.
But emphasis on right price.
by Hopefulmsfan on Dec 28, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder what the Browns' TE situation looks like right now.
I would imagine that Holmgren would be willing to give good value for him.
by Mind of no mind on Dec 28, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
They got the guy from NE, he's been great there.
Ben Watson.
Not that they couldn’t use another, just that he has been very very good.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I think the potential Morrah has shown, and I think (not sure) McCoy had a pretty good exhibition/off season before getting hurt which would soften the blow.
Hell, even Baker hasn’t been that much of an eyesore. I still hate to see talent leave the roster, especially for 4th-5th-6th rounders.
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly the point.
It doesn’t appear this coaching staff plans to utilize him, so let’s get some value while he’s still worth something. Young, talented, just a misfit.
I’m OK with it. And that’s coming from a guy that OWNS a JC jersey that JC himself has signed.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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I think it depends on which QB they draft
Not sure when they would have to make a move, but unless you spend a lot of money in FA, you will force yourself into playing a rookie right a way. The 4 mil that they have to pay him isn’t that bad if he is just a placeholder for the rookie we draft.
I kinda with your sentiment about Charlie.
I don’t think he’s retained after this season.
I think it’s more likely Hass is signed at vet minimum as a #2 QB with someone else starting (probably a vet FA with more juice left) and a rookie QB sitting as the #3 to learn.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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Kinda depends on this Rams game.
But if he looks like he did against TB – Its going to be hard to retain him.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. If he executes a flop of a loss, he'll be out of the league.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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Hass is not going to resign with us as a "number 2 guy" when there are several teams across the league that still want veteran grit starting for them.
Let him go.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
That's a valid opinion, I simply don't believe it.
He’s knee deep in his third terrible year, and there’s quite a list of veteran QBs that’ll likely 1. be available this off season and 2. are better than Hasselbeck.
I’d be SHOCKED if Hasselbeck starts for another team next year as the planned #1 QB.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Author of The Seahawks Asylum: http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
But remember
The prevailing opinion outside of Seattle is that Matt sucking is everyone’s fault but his. It’s the lack of running game, it’s the receivers, new playbooks, etc.
I assume San Fran, AZ and Minnesota are going to be looking for vet QB’s, who else is going to be out there other than McNabb (I assume) and Hasselbeck?
Wasn't Delhomme signed as a starter for 2010 after his 2009?
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly. As much as I hate Hasselbeck's last three years, I'd still rather have him taking snaps than Delhomme.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Are you truly privy to the other 31 franchises' opinion of Matt?
I’m not trying to be an ass, but I don’t think anyone’s fooled other than maybe the greater NFL fan base that don’t really know what’s going on in Seattle other than they suck and Matt Hasselbeck can’t stay healthy.
I seriously doubt he’s signed by another team as a starting QB. Not after 3 years of poor performance, injury, etc.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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Actually, I am privy.
My 31 best friends are the general managers of the other teams, we all get together once a week and conference call about Matt Hasselbeck. I keep trying to tell them Matt’s done, but they just won’t listen!
The greater NFL fanbase...
every ‘talking head’ from the networks…
every color guy that has done a hawks game this year…
John Clayton…
the local talking heads who should know better…
Heck, 50% of the fanbase just voted they want to win this week.
Figure 25% of the “Win” crowd would ALWAYS want their team to win no matter what. The other 25%? How could they be, if they see Hasselbeck as a non-option AND Charlie as a non-option? Inherently, they think one or the other IS an option, or they refuse to look into the future with rational realism about our chances to land a “franchise guy” from the 21 spot.
And how many would see Charlie as one?
So yeah, there’s still WAAAAAAY too many people out there that see Hasselbeck as a legit (short to medium) term option due to a lack of some “other” that is superior in the present.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Kinda off topic but I think Andrews is gone for money reasons too next year.
If we’re lamenting trades.
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well Lynch has been bad (for various reasons) but he'll atleast be cheap and bad, so worth holding onto. Actually our roster is full of cheap and bad... It's the expensive and bad that's a big problem.
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Lynch I still believe can be cheap and good (in a reduced role)
Andrews is horrible and I hate the right side of our line.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Slightly more off topic: What're the thoughts on Unger?
I kinda forgot that he will be coming back after his long-fought battle with turf toe this year. Is that worth forgetting, or will he help shore up the interior line at all?
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
One more chance
Unger was pretty bad when healthy. We’ll see how things go.
Gibson needs to go though. Vallos is better than him.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Well put.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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He's still young and cheap and under contract
We’ll give him another shot and see if he can stick somewhere.
Football isn't baseball.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 28, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
But how many bad/expensive contracts there now?
Trufant got a nice deal back in the day, but it’s not in the ball park that top corners get these days. His cap number can’t be that bad and is somewhere around his talent level. Hill and Locklear restructered and Matt’s is going to expire. So that leaves Curry and Tats if you’re inclined to believe that they are bad talents?
I think CW/Andrews are about it as far as the egregious ones go.
I wouldn’t say Trufant/Tats/Curry have team-friendly contracts by any means but I want to give Curry another year, And would like to think that Tru/Tats will both respectively earn their paychecks in 2011.
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Lynch has shown signs of life, and has made a few really nice plays
But Andrews hasn’t really shown anything.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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Lynch would be better with a better line.
How many RB’s are we going to blame for the abysmal running game over the past three years?
Llama's cut/release list:
Gus Bradley,Terrill, Trufant, Jennings, Locklear, Hasselbeck, Andrews, and so many more.
by Wayward Llama on Dec 28, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Morris and Forsett seemed to do fine.
The backs that have been blamed were Alexander at the end of his career, JJ and now Lynch. Not exactly a great group for Lynch to be a part of.
Forsett for some reason seems to evade criticism.
As a starter, it’s a pretty small sample size. He’s generally in only on passing downs now. If he was in as much as Lynch, I don’t think he would do as well. Lynch makes something out of nothing most of the time when the line is blown back in his face immediately after the snap. Forsett doesn’t have that ability.
Llama's cut/release list:
Gus Bradley,Terrill, Trufant, Jennings, Locklear, Hasselbeck, Andrews, and so many more.
by Wayward Llama on Dec 28, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Forsett seems to be great at busting out 5-7 yard runs
on 3rd and 7 or 9. Forsett isn’t a 16-game, 3-down back and doesn’t seem to want to try to be one. Comparing Forsett’s production with Lynch’s is comparing apples and oranges.
Football isn't baseball.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 28, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I heard a great saying about an employee one time.
“XXX” is like a fullback. You need a yard, he’ll get you three. You need 10 yards, he’ll get you three."
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Other: Keep one QB, trade for or sign another QB, draft a QB
At least one of Hasselbeck and Whitehurst is gone. Depending on what Hasselbeck’s contract demands are, it will most likely be Matt back while Charlie and his excessive contract gets the boot. I think Carroll looks for another QB via free agency or trade.
I don’t think we can fully expect Q/PM to take a QB in the 1st round. I certainly don’t want them to select a QB for the sake of taking a QB when there are so many holes that could be filled by the best player available. My guess is a QB in the 2nd-5th round who they try to develop behind whatever veteran plays for the team next year.
Yep, this is exactly my sentiment.
New FA/vet as new #1, Hass re-signed as #2, rookie for future sits at #3
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Author of The Seahawks Asylum: http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
Whitehurst's contract isn't nearly as excessive as Matt requires...
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
I'm all for a CW/Rookie/FA 3-way QB Battle in training camp next year
QB is, by far, the most pressing need for this team going into the offseason. There are also enough good-to-really-good QB prospects (likely to declare) that one should fall to us that, at the very least, wouldn’t be a complete reach. If such a scenario plays out, though, I’d rather the Seahawks trade down in the 1st round to get a QB that doesn’t grade out as a Top 15 pick than draft another position; that’s how serious the QB situation is here.
I think most of us would have taken Leinart for a 6th than CW for a first born.
by SgtSasquatch on Dec 28, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Leinart has shown little ability to perform at an NFL level
And that’s with (what was) arguably the best receiving corp in the league.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
True, but Leinart certainly looked better than CW has shown
CW has looked like garbage. I just don’t get what they were thinking trading a 3rd for him. (and this is coming from someone that was screaming that we needed to sit Matt and see what Charlie can do) Unless a full week’s prep magically puts him in the frame of mind to start reading defenses, going through his reads and progressions and get the ball to his receivers, I think he is a total bust, and not on the roster next year.
I agree we need to trade Matt to Cleveland or somewhere, cut CW, sign Donovan or trade for Kolb, or someone similar, and also draft a QB.
I can't see us trading Matt
If only because his contract is up after this year. I don’t see us necessarily re-signing him, though.
by splintrdmind on Dec 28, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
It's possible
but I figured if Pete was interested in Leinart, he would have pursued him after he was released by AZ.
Not really a roster spot for him this year.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Oh jeez, I think we could have kicked JP to the curb if Carroll had any interest in signing his former Golden Boy.
He didn’t, so that is why Losman is here to this day.
We cut Losman before the final roster. And only carried 2 QB's for a couple weeks.
We knew Losman wasn’t in demand for any other team.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 29, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I've been thinking that one a lot
Not that I want it, just that it was possible. PC has shunned his college players when they didn’t fit his needs though.
The release kinda happened late
Plus, it seems the compete thing is a little different at the QB position
Yes and No.
At the beginning of this season – They were going with Hasselbeck and paid a ton for Charlie.
Next year your looking at – Charlie, Rookie? and?
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he wanted to let Leinhart fail a little more, get humbled a little more...
so he’s actually ready to accept that he has to work his ass off to make it in the NFL.
Sort of like it took BMW several failings. You can lead a horse to water type of thing, only people who want to change can…
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
The biggest problem with Leinhart, other than questions about his talent,
is the fact that as a left handed QB, it kind of minimizes the benefit of striking gold with Okung. I really don’t want Okung to have to try and learn to play RT.
by Mind of no mind on Dec 28, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't be against drafting a 1st round RT then...
Imagine a line with 3-4 first round grade level talents on it. Wouldn’t be the worse thing in the world.
But good point, regardless.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
If I can scrape out a positive
Watching Hasselbeck injure himself through….running about might be incentive and a sign he needs to retire and we avoid any controversy over him altogether.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
I seem to remember someone telling me that 2 games isn't enough to evaluate a QB
I’m not sure that Charlie’s the answer and don’t want to start next season with a Charlie vs Matt “competition”, but I don’t think he’s played himself out of town quite yet.
Football isn't baseball.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 28, 2010 1:26 PM PST reply actions
I do think Charlie will be gone
I was definitely one of the “start Charlie” guys, but now that we’ve seen a fair amount of Charlie running the offense, it seems like a lost cause. It’s not a closed case and it has only been a couple games worth, but the evidence is mounting and it is pretty much all bad. At this point, I’m not even sure he has the skills necessary to be a 2nd string QB. I could easily see us bringing in a whole new set of QB’s next year from the draft, trades, etc.
I think he's been horrible... but we haven't seen Charlie running the office, we've seen Charlie replacing the guy that was running the offense.
Subtle, but not the same.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to see Charlie running the Office
It would be a great comedic twist, someone’s go to replace Michael Scott at the end of this season. And you have to admit, Charlie has been so bad that it’s pretty funny.
by NinjaHawk on Dec 28, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome.
Our QB “controversy” is very Dunder Mifflin.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
We could bring in Dwight
as our new DC. Fail to tackle correctly and you’re demoted to working at the beet farm.
I should have known
His name is Rainn.
by NinjaHawk on Dec 28, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you take that pic yourself at a game?
If so, that is pretty awesome.
It's one thing to have a bad game
It’s a whole another to have a completely disastrous game. That’s what Charlie had on Sunday against a pretty bad defense. He looked COMPLETELY lost / clueless. I could see a rookie having that kind of game. Whitehurst is a four year player that’s had years of snaps in practice and pre-season. There’s no excuse for playing that terribly. I haven’t given up on him completely, but from what I saw, I have a hard time seeing that same guy suddenly playing like a franchise quarterback … like ever.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Author of The Seahawks Asylum: http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
I still say we can only judge him on the Giants game (mediocre at best) and this game, as they are the only ones where he has been a part of the gameplan.
It is putting a guy in a position to fail in the other sparse quarters he’s been given.
Would I have hoped he’d do better? Absolutely. But I’d sure like the team to give him a legitimate opportunity to succeed. This game will be the first he’s had an opportunity with prep time, against a team that we could at least be competitive with on our home turf.
That excites me to see what he COULD do… because after this game we will have a much better idea than we did before it, for better or worse.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
wholeheartedly agree with you about how bad CW looked on Sunday.
He played a full game against the Giants and didn’t look good. I gave him a pass considering the Giants are a good team. Against Tampa Bay was a different story. As you said he looked completely lost against a bad defense. There are still those thinking he wasn’t given a “real” opportunity. Stuff about not getting enough snaps and that kinda garbage in practice. I find it hard to believe that a professional football team isn’t giving their 2nd string QB a significant number of snaps in practice to make sure he’s ready to play…especially considering their 1st string QB had an injured wrist for how long now?
Yep. They likely split snaps all week.
And Charlie has been taking practice and pre-season snaps for four season. There’s no excuse for playing that poorly.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Author of The Seahawks Asylum: http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
Have you seen a NFL practice?
The 2nd QB does not get a equal amount of reps.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Is that the case if your starter is injured though?
I’m just thinking if your starter is injured that your backup might get some more to make sure he’s ready. Call me crazy.
Whitehurst will get all the reps this week.
But last week – Matt probably took a majority of the 1st team reps. He wasn’t benched because he was hurt.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
I understand that.
I was referring to the fact that Matt has had broken bones in his wrist for a while now. I would think you would give your 2nd QB more reps as soon as that injury occurred.
Reps doing a different game plan.
Each week you practice plays that you’re going to run that week. So what he might of practiced for the ARZ game would be different then what they practiced for TB
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
From your standpoint. If he gets ALL the reps this week and still sucks do we still give him a pass?
Agreed. No.
And just because some of us would give Charlie 1/2 snaps does not mean he has received them.
But we look for growth. Charlie ABSOLUTELY has to know this could be it for him as a legitimate shot to be a starter in the NFL. He will get first team snaps and face a defense the is not overwhelmingly better than his offense, in a game against a team that is not overwhelmingly better than his.
This is his ONE SHOT.
I think it’s fucking idiotic that given our QB woes the past 3 years that we are only giving him one real shot, in a season in which we could have given him several full game opportunities, but that’s the way the die has been cast, so let’s see what he does with it.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Poor
Offensive line play, no running game makes plenty of young QBs look bad, you cannot put it all on Charlie. I think he was more worried about “Not making mistakes” plus he doesn’t miss tackles on D. Sorry Just venting, trying to hang on to a glimmer of hope which is the first team with a losing record to win a Division and enter the playoffs, yes I will take that gladly!!! I know, I know….
"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."
That's been the frustration of our "playoff hunt"
In any normal year, we would have been mathematically eliminated weeks ago and could have let Charlie get some starts without any controversy. At this point, I’m sure he still would have sucked balls, but more evidence is never a bad thing.
Best case scenario...
he goes 30-37 with 328 yards passing, and 3TD’s… and we lose in a close one.
I’d kinda like that too, because then it would confuse and frustrate the hell out of everybody as far as muddling the picture, and we kinda deserve that for being idiots about how we went about giving him a look this year.
But our luck— he plays a terrible game, we cut him, he signs somewhere else, their starter goes down, he gets 5 straight games starting, looks increasingly better in each game and becomes a legitimate NFL starter. (While we resign Hass and suck yet again, draft a guy who fails to develop, and get stuck in our whirlpool of perpetual mediocrity.)
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I voted Other.
I think the Seahawks will draft a QB and sign a FA as a placeholder.
Draft a QB, start Charlie and Matt retires.
It will be much easier to bench Charlie since he’s not the franchise icon Matt is.
Is there a way to switch Charlie and Hasselbecks brain?
I’m going to go look into it. I’m sure it will be more interesting that sundays game.
Eat shit bum!
I think we're in store for another stop-gap solution
or at least I hope we are until we’re in a position to draft a franchise QB without overspending.
What's everyone's thought on Vince Young.
It’s very possible that he’s available. Baggage aside, I think he would fit in well with the offense. Just not sure if that’s the guy you want the rookie QB to learn from.
I don't think he's evolved much as a passer
plus he got the benefit of having Chris Johnson helping him. I’d pass on him.
Vince Young didn't really light the world on fire this season.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Above average at throwing 20 balls a game with 8 men in the box.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'm torn on VY
His issues this season seemed to be driven by the coach, at least to me. I wouldn’t be completely against Pete giving the guy a shot. As long as he wasn’t the only guy we brought in to fix the QB situation, I would still want to draft one.
He actually had a pretty good start to the year until he got injured.
He played 6 games before he was injured and only threw 2 picks, both inthe same game. He was completing a good percentage of his passes.
I’d give him a shot at the right price.
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The most completions he had in a game this season was 17.
Its easy to throw for a high percentage when you throw less then 20 times a game.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I remember watching a NFL network show on Chris Johnson earlier this year
where they were showing that he was facing and succeeding against more 8+ man fronts than Adrian Peterson was seeing this year. Do you see VY having the same level of success here without that level of run game behind him?
I'd fine with trading for VY.
But at this point I’d be willing to give Alex Smith a look, so who knows.
Biggest concern with VY
That hes bat shit crazy and can’t handle failure.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
He's better than anything we have.
Llama's cut/release list:
Gus Bradley,Terrill, Trufant, Jennings, Locklear, Hasselbeck, Andrews, and so many more.
by Wayward Llama on Dec 28, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
My other:
Charlie stays as the backup, we release Matt and sign a free agent on the cheap who starts for us. We draft a rookie that develops and starts some time between 2012 and the latter half of 2013.
Objectively speaking, I think there are other veteran quarterbacks you have to make a play for because they will be just as good (or better) but less expensive than Matt. Pennington, Volek, Gradkowski, maybe Fitzpatrick, Kolb, or some others that are better than Charlie. I really don’t think we have a shot at the good, NFL-starter-ready quarterbacks this draft.
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
Four people, including myself, have said that one above :P
But yeah, I’m thinking that Orton, Young or Palmer would be very serviceable QBs for one to two seasons while prepping a rookie QB. Heck, I’d be a stoked to get Kyle Orton. Question is: will new coaching staff move on from Orton to start Tebow, or vice versa? Orton had a pretty good year.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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Nope. After 2011.
I don’t think they’ll be able to demand a ton for him.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
After 2011, heck.
I don’t think Denver wants him in 2011 either. If they’re giving the job to Tebow, you know they don’t want to start a “quarterback controversy” due to that old “if you have two quarterbacks you have no quarterbacks” meme which is so prevalent in the NFL (and which I think is also kind of crap because there are an awful lot of instances in which both QBs just aren’t that good which make these “controversies” look worse than they really are).
If they don’t get someone to jump at him early, I’d say there’s a good chance that by mid-July they’ll let him go for relatively cheap. Of course, with so many teams needing a starting QB, they may well get someone to jump at him early. I wouldn’t be surprised, in fact, if that someone was Seattle.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 28, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think he'll be that expensive.
But who knows.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Author of The Seahawks Asylum: http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
Yeah I didn't read before posting sorry hah.
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
Pennington is done.
I doubt SD gives up Volek. Kolb will cost a 1st rounder. (Which if we make the playoffs I would give up for him)
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Pennington is Hasselbeck with hair.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
So is Matt Moore really that bad?
Carolina should be having a fire sale and I remember him kicking ass at the end of last year
I really don't know. Anderson syndrome?
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by EequalsMc2 on Dec 28, 2010 3:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It seems like every time you have one young promising QB
and bring in a second young promising QB they both turn into head cases. There might still be time to save Moore though
Let's go back in time and trade for Shaun Hill
when he was going for a seventh-round pick.
Nominated Mr. Off-Topic 2010
Other: sign Drew Stanton as a FA, draft OLs and DBs
Lions have no reason to retain him, and he’s a good scheme fit for Bates. Lock Whithurst and Hasselbeck in a room and tell them only one of them can leave.
Other.
Like many have already said, I’d like to see them sign a veteran and draft a rookie. Plan on starting the vet and hope that the rookie pushes for playing time.
KITNA KITNA KITNA KITNA
HE STILL GOT IT GOOOOOOOOOOOOO KIIIIIITNA
SPECIAL K!
He will save us…he was born without a father…he was trained by one of the best Jedis…he’s older than any Jedi, too…
yesssss…..
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 28, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
OTHER
Trade for Orton( mebbe the Donkeys will take Hass???) Keep Charlie and if one of the Top QBs is available in the draft…nab him…I really had/have hope for Charlie, if he can win Sunday and produce a decent playoff effort, all may not be lost in the investment. I could live with Orton for a year or two if we find a good QB via the draft.
"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."
Not only no but HEEEELL NO.
Hasselbeck is a free agent, meaning if the Broncos want to trade for him the Seahawks would have to sign him first. Which, a., is retarded for them, and b. I could only see happening if Denver had agreed to something preliminary but wanted to shuttle some cap space at the same time. Even then it wouldn’t happen because player for player trades are very, very rare in the modern NFL.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 28, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad McDaniels isn't still there
He who traded Hillis for Brady Quinn….
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by Matt Erickson on Jan 1, 2011 2:19 AM PST up reply actions
Stick with Hasselbeck or Whitehurst.
The worst that could happen is the team is awful next year and in the end that may be the best way to get better. We need a franchise quarterback and we aren’t getting one this year in the draft without trading away later round picks we need to repair the O line and defense, the FA market isn’t going to give us anything better than a stop gap (which may make the team better next season but then we’d be in the same position next year as we are not), and unless you think there is another Matt Cassel out there backing up someone else’s franchise QB the trade market won’t get us much either. We may be sitting at the frustrating level of mediocrity where getting worse now is the best way to get better in the long run.
we don't necessarily need a 1st or 2nd round pick
for D-linemen, or pass rush specialists. We certainly don’t need a 1st or 2nd for a right tackle or some guards…
by jubelthebear on Dec 29, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Stick with Whitehurst, get a rookie QB
We stuck with Matt over this season, and we go blown out so may times…and he’s the “veteran”. I say we play Charlie through all next season and see if something finally clicks. That’s what Holmgren did with Hasselbeck, even though everyone was talking about Matt like we are now talking about Charlie. Get our money’s worth with Whitehurst, and if it doesn’t work out at the end of next season, his contract won’t be renewed anyway. I’m tired of such chaotic moves like the eating of Houshmanzadeh’s salary so we can pay for him to either play nowhere or for another team. Charlie is a sunk cost, so we need to see if he’s worth it.
money's worth....
It’s possible that it’s not possible.
The term sunk cost is used about guys like Whitehurst so you don’t create further damage throwing good money after bad. Playing time is another form of currency when you are trying to develop/rebuild.
If I'm going to root for an all-tools QB starting for my Seahawks it better be Jake Locker.
by The Manchild on Dec 29, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
So many people said the exact same thing about Hasselbeck when he was giving away games early in his career...
At the beginning for Hasselbeck, there were very few flashes of brilliance. People wondered what the heck Holmgren saw in him to get him to a position of starter. It took him at least 2 seasons to arrive as a legit starter, and he still gave away games up until two weeks ago…
We are Seattle fans used to pain and misery…I know that leads to impatient fan bases, but QB’s don’t usually develop overnight. Charlie is under contract until the end of next season, so let’s see what he can do with all the prep and snaps made for him.
Defense
What is the fix for our horrendous defense? I always looked at our D as seriously under rated, but these last couple years have been really difficult to stomach. I don’t see a lack of talent really, but we are getting mauled!
Go with the Jon Gruden method
1. Sign four mediocre veteran quarterbacks.
2. Draft two more in the middle rounds.
3. Hope one of them turns out to be okay.
4. Get fired and become a TV analyst.
Now that’s how you Always Compete™.
by busplunger on Dec 29, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I've never understood how Gruden was considered a QB guru
from what I’ve heard, it sounded like he signed a ton, worked them too hard and never got a ton of production from the position.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 29, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH!
Never got production from the position?
Gannon: 6.1, 6.7 6.6, 6.9. Rich Gannon!
Johnson: 6.6, 5.6, 4.9. Brad Johnson!
Griese: 6.4, 4.8. Brian Griese!
Simms: 5.0, 2.3. CHRIS MOTHERFUCKING SIMMS!!!!
wow....
In 2011, the Seahawks will:
“14%
Start Charlie Whitehurst and develop a rookie.
99 votes”
God Bless America. Only in America are you allowed to have watched Charlie Whitehurst play and still think a team would begin a season expecting him to be the starting QB. This says to me that only 86% of FG readers have a television that works on Sundays. Perhaps there are a lot of 7th day’ers here.
If I'm going to root for an all-tools QB starting for my Seahawks it better be Jake Locker.
That's pretty one dimensional, though
Tebow can’t throw the ball, period. Against elite defenses, the Hawks will sink faster than a rock. 8 man box is Tebow’s worst enemy, and unless he can show some serious skill with airing the ball out, I don’t think he’ll be a good fit.
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 29, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
He threw a 20 yard out route on a jump throw.
And I fell in love. (I don’t really think we should trade for Tebow)
But I still fell in love.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 29, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Hehe
Yeah, he’s got potential. And that TD run was pretty cool, too, he just barreled his way forward like a cargo train. Rumble rumble.
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 29, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
What do you think the most likely solution is?
Trade Whitehurst and our 1st round pick to Philly for Kolb.
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