Insight Bowl Game Thread
by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2010 6:39 PM PST
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Here's a nice little piece by Rob Stanton at Seahawksdraftblog
about Gabbert and some other NFL prospects playing in this game:
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 28, 2010 6:43 PM PST reply actions
Seems to have a strong arm and decent accuracy
but every pass he’s been in a shotgun with 5 WR and most of the throws are pretty easy looking.
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
Its the nature of the system he's in
He’s a 1-2 read, spread QB.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 28, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
That interception didn't look too bad...
Bounced off the wr, but he could have led him a hair more. So far I think he looks good.
I like the way he moves around and his arm does look strong.
Draw play.
Pretty standard. Like reverse play-action.
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by THolt on Dec 28, 2010 10:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Uniforms
These uniforms are too similar. Come one, Midwest. You need some lime green.
While we're talking college guys,
The highest pick the Seahawks could get is 6th, correct?
If they lose to the Rams, and the 49ers, Lions, Texans, Cowboys, and Browns all win, the Seahawks would have the lowest SOS of the 6-10 teams. The Cowboys and Browns are longshots (playing @Philly and vs.Pitt). That would put them behind Carolina, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Denver, and Arizona.
Screw it, I somewhat hope they lose.
In that scenario, they could get Locker at 6 and a pass rusher in the second. If they can’t get a pick high enough for a QB, I hope they go DE-OL in the first 2 rounds.
Locker at 6 seems like a reach
I’d rather trade up for Newton.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 28, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
It's never a reach for a Franchise QB.
Locker could become one. It depends on how the FO views him.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Dec 29, 2010 9:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hey John, do you think there are good DTs headed for the draft that could compliment Mebane's skill set?
More specifically, a guy who can help in pass rush? I was really looking at it and I think it’s worth thinking about a DT instead of wasting yet another pick on a DE..
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 28, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
I think he's unrestricted.
“A player who has four or more years of experience is eligible for unrestricted free agency,”
07-08-09-10
Now I'm just confused.
“In 2010, the CBA was not extended, thus the rules changed so that players don’t become “Unrestricted Free Agents” until they have at least six years of experience. "
Gabbert aint getting past 1st rd
by Davis Hsu on Dec 28, 2010 8:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gabbert aint getting past 1st rd
by Davis Hsu on Dec 28, 2010 8:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Offensive line seems to be deep in this draft.
I’d rather opt for a right guard, while hoping that healthy Redding will rejuvenate our defensive line next season.
I know this is a little off topic, but does this game have any good DTs to watch?
Seahawks need a new Rocky Bernard.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 28, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions
Adrian Clayborn - Iowa #94
He’s actually a DE but he’s big and looks like a DT and could probably play inside. I heard he’s a probable first-round pick but I have no idea if he projects as a 3-4 DE or what…
So where are we?
Did this MIN win just push us closer to a franchise QB?
I have my full amateur scouting eyes on Gabbert for the second half.
He sure does love throwing darts to the sidelines
Seems to be pretty comfortable running this offense; he’s throwing it where it needs to go… big numbers in the first half would be even bigger if that last throw was caught for a TD instead of bobbled for an INT…
Taco Bell burrito
+ flaming Fritos chips. God bless you, America.
He looks really calm in the pocket
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
Well, it's hard to judge from the spread,
but I’m loving what I’m seeing so far. Be happy to take him if he happens to be the best QB available at the 12 spot (or 21).
Seems to stand almost too solid
before any pressure comes. Doesn’t have a boxer’s bounce.
Flatfooted sounds too harsh
But something’s odd there.
by somethingwitty on Dec 28, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
I felt like that was more his being economical with his footwork.
Would make sense being a 1-2 read guy. Didn’t seem to affect his pocket awareness.
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by THolt on Dec 28, 2010 10:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He doesn't break his hand on a sneak!
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
Matt Millen
Is almost as good as a color analyst as he was as a GM
One read...
I don’t think I seen him go to a secondary read once. Not sure what to make of that.
Wait...what....
how can you accept a post possession penalty but decline the pre-possession penalty?
That confused me too
They shouldn’t have a choice, right?
by somethingwitty on Dec 28, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't make sense....
I’ve never seen a team accept a block in the back penalty over a defensive holding call. I don’t see how this was any different. Maybe it has something to do with it being a personal foul. Still, if the holding didn’t get called the possession wouldn’t have been overturned.
Of course, I am still confused how in the Apple Cup the Cougs were able to punt the ball off of the back of a Coug and were still allowed to down the ball 20+ more yards down the field.
If Iowa wins this game
I’ll hate my ex-girlfriend even more.
I'm afraid Gabbert's smoothness
Turns into frustratingly slow movements in the NFL. Something just doesn’t look right, he’s too laid back. Is that possible?
And then this happens.
Screw you, Rebecca.
Gabbert awesome arm but mobility lacking
by Davis Hsu on Dec 28, 2010 10:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'll trade mobility for passing ability.
by Trojan Knight on Dec 28, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Guy looks like a stone
You don’t have 5 seconds to look and throw it a mile in the NFL.
by somethingwitty on Dec 28, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Does that really have any bearing on his actual awareness though?
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by THolt on Dec 28, 2010 10:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gabbert sucks! Bring in Whitehurst!
Learn it, love it.
There are those slow feet
Gabbert won’t hang in the NFL with that shit.
by somethingwitty on Dec 28, 2010 10:00 PM PST reply actions
Iowa may have some fight left in them after all
M.O. all year has been to piss away he 4th Q. Hyde interception is a rare break.
by Shooter McGavin on Dec 28, 2010 10:00 PM PST reply actions
I'll take it.
Coker is a bowling ball of a runner. Makes up for losing the 4 RBs in front of him on the depth chart this year.
by Shooter McGavin on Dec 28, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
One to "seven different drug charges."
BCS record?
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I'm wary because of the system.
I liked his arm on all counts, his pocket presence was good and he did put up some monster numbers. But he had all sorts of people open downfield for most of the game, and… spread. Spreeeaddd…
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Just got home...
Quickie thoughts on Gabs then off to bed
- The footwork — the coaches teach that slow, deliberate footwork for their spread; in fact they’ve worked really hard at slowing Gabbert’s feet down. It’s about the timing with the routes. I don’t see that as a problem.
- I’m sure there’s a recency bias in this comment, but I honestly don’t recall seeing a dumber pick in Gabbert’s career. That may have been his first pick 6. I could be wrong, but can’t call another one right off the bat. (It was his 18th pick in his 2 seasons as a starter.) Obviously, the play there was to throw the ball away. Gabbert’s no Drew Brees, but even he threw a demonstrably stupid INT vs ATL last night.
- I think he’s as solid a prospect as was Mark Sanchez or Josh Freeman. Freeman, whom I saw play quite a bit, was nowhere near as accurate as Gabbert in college. He has improved by leaps and bounds.
Gabbert might be a stretch at #6, but probably not in the teens.
Following the game he was making the standard noises about coming back and what the team will be like next year. (Missouri is actually almost ridiculously young.) We’ll see.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
How would rate Newton, Mallet, Luck, Locker and BG?
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I'd say...
1. Luck — All the tools you need, pro-style offense, tough, good decision maker; I liked him two years ago, now I love him.
2. Newton — Literally jaw-dropping tools/potential; (much?) higher upside than Luck. If I had the chance I’d almost certainly pull the trigger, but I’d be scared to death to do it because all so-called “character issues” are not created equal. To me cheating on exams, messing with stolen property (i.e., laptop-gate), and having your dad pimp you out are different than smoking a little weed or getting into a bar fight. Newton’s incidents all seem related to basic honesty. Those kinds of issues send up major red flags and set of sirens to me. The risk with Newton is that he may be a guy who tries to get over on talent (and charm). He may never do what it takes to be great. Of course, in all probability these little incidents mean nothing. Randy Moss probably still isn’t mature enough to be a baby sitter, but he’s going to the Hall of Fame. His immaturity is dwarfed by his talent and productivity. On the other hand, as we saw with Vick, there is such a thing as too much too soon.
3. Gabbert — There are enough NFL QBs from predominantly spread offenses (see Roethlisberger, Flacco, Vince Young, Colt McCoy), or who ran earlier versions of it in college (see Brees), that we know a lot about how their translate. Looking at Gabbert’s tools, skill-set, and decision-making I think he projects well. As I said above, I think he’s every bit the prospect Josh Freeman was with lower downside risk.
4. Mallett — I could easily flip Gabbert and Mallett. I think beauty will be in the eye of the beholder with those two. I like Gabbert’s feet and mobility a little better.
5. Locker — He may have higher upside than either Gabbert or Mallett, but playing on bad teams can develop fatally bad habits for a QB. That’s my fear with Locker. There’s a level of awful that you just never saw with Gabbert or Mallett. He played on some rotten teams, but so did Jay Cutler at Vandy and he was rarely as bad.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Dec 29, 2010 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the first I've ever seen of Gabbert
I was mostly impressed beyond the pick 6 (obviously). There’s stuff in there that looks very ‘system’, like the near-motionless standing after the snap, that I don’t think he’d emulate in the pros. I haven’t seen nearly as much of him as you have but I didn’t see enough to disagree with your assessment.
Two things I noticed: He doesn’t seem to get through his reads all that quick, and he’s actually a bit more mobile than I expected, once he moves around.
In the end, I’d love him in the second, but be really wary of a high first. Although I might say that of any QB beyond Cam Newton in this class. Might have to take the risk, depending on where the Seahawks end up drafting.
I doubt, given that one--at least--will likely not declare, any will be available come the second.
Also I’m a huge Locker fanboy, so I don’t know how to even begin to be totally objective. Sitting thru last year’s early upset of USC as a transfer student in the U-Dist it’s hard not to be a fanboy.
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by THolt on Dec 29, 2010 7:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm firmly against drafting Gabbert.
This is like the 3rd or 4th Mizzou game that I’ve seen, and his receivers certainly bail him out a lot. He frequently throws off the mark when there is no pressure coming at him, and his receivers adjust to make great catches, but can’t gain any YAC because their momentum was thrown off balance making a difficult catch that should have been easy.
This is the only game I've watched of his, so it's hard to make any real judgments
But whereas I was fairly impressed last night for the most part, then I realized this morning that Iowa basically played the entire game in its base 4-3 defense. They had freshman linebackers matched up against Missouri’s slot receivers and still won the game.
Plus it’s just such a different style that Missouri asks of its quarterbacks, with the different footwork and stuff (as dcrockett17 details above)… it’s hard for an armchair scout like me to know how that will translate to a more pro-style offense. I can definitely see a first-round quarterback prospect in there, though…
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