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The Charlie Whitehurst Possibility

Charlie Whitehurst struggled to execute the horizontal-passing game plan Jeremy Bates designed, presumably around Matt Hasselbeck. Maybe by moving the pocket and stretching the Rams vertically, Whitehurst can prove he can execute a game plan designed around him.

This begins a series of short articles previewing this Sunday's game. We're putting our ambivalence on the shelf for now and embracing what is the last guaranteed game of the season. Fans might disagree about whether it's better to win or lose, but a game is a game, and after Sunday, there may be no Seahawks games for a very long time.

Charlie Whitehurst has one good game. One game in which he didn't just post quality superficial counting stats, but in which he played very well. It's so long ago that it's all but forgotten, but in week one of the 2010 preseason Whitehurst looked downright qualified against the Titans.

[Whitehurst] did it through good process: pocket awareness, reads, timing, decisiveness. He did it though apparent ability: crisp rollouts, mid-range zip, a beautiful rainbow to Deon Butler streaking up the left sideline. Whitehurst played the preseason game every hope-drunk Seahawks fan was desperate to see. He put it all together. He played like a somebody.

If I ballparked Whitehurst's potential to ever become a franchise quarterback at 10% before, it would be premature to move that to even 20% now. There is too much we do not know. Most basically, how bad is the Titans second-string defense? Jovan Haye and Sen'Derrick Marks are ok, but the ends were shoddy, the secondary porous and the linebackers slow. Whitehurst was tossing through some huge windows. His pocket wasn't pristine but pressure edged in rather than exploded. Charlie made some throws a quicker end could have killed him for attempting. Mostly, he locked on, watched his man and zipped it in when the receiver flashed free against a coverage scheme so vanilla it catalogues kissing as one of two types of foreplay.

We can look back at that game with some kind of perspective now: Tennessee has the seventh overall defense by DVOA and the 11th ranked pass defense. By ER, the Titans rank fourth and 18th. Substitutions are too fluid in the preseason to take too much from that, and as noted the Titans were fielding a very stripped down defense. It was still top of the world for ol' Charlie, and about as much reason for hope as he's ever offered.

Given that Whitehurst looks lost, i.e. overwhelmed by the speed and complexity of the NFL and thus unsure what to do, the simplest explanation for his success in week one of the preseason and his failure in every week following, including the rest of the preseason, is that the Titans didn't test that which Charlie is worst at: reading a defense.

Another explanation, one I have flirted with in my mind and look back to now as a way to feel hopeful, is that in week one, Whitehurst was able to execute the plays he had perfected in practice, and wasn't expected to execute a dynamic game plan designed to counter the opposing defense, and designed to be able to adjust to what the opposing defense was showing. That is, it was simple and simplicity accentuated Whitehurst's tools and minimized his underdeveloped skills. It was a small set of plays Whitehurst was truly confident in and thus able to execute well.

Whitehurst improving dramatically is still the Seahawks best hope of contention. Though that possibility may seem remote, it is only remote insomuch that it was always unlikely that Whitehurst would turn into a great quarterback. He has attempted 63 passes over his entire career. He still has only one start and it was against a top-five pass defense.

The supposed final nail for Whitehurst was his performance last weekend against the Bucs. Broadly speaking, there is no evidence that a quarterback performs any different with a week to prepare than he does as an in-game substitute, but that's a generality. Playing as substitute might not be a magic bullet defense, it might not excuse his struggles entirely, but it could have impacted his performance.

Whitehurst and Hasselbeck are two very different types of quarterback. The team on the whole prepared as if Hasselbeck would be the quarterback, and the team on the whole practiced plays designed around Hasslbeck's strengths and weaknesses. I doubt very much that Seattle's first team offense practiced contingency plays in case Whitehurst had to sub in, and the offense Whitehurst took over looked nothing like the offense he executed in the preseason or in week nine against the Giants.

Against the Bucs, Whitehurst threw 16 consecutive short passes before throwing his lone bomb towards Mike Williams. He was throwing the swings and quick hitters Hasselbeck used in the opening drive. Whitehurst's fifth pass attempt against the Giants was thrown deep, and of his 23 attempts, seven were targeted deep. Despite throwing an interception, damning in a sample of seven, Whitehurst averaged 7 ANY/A on deep passes. He had completions of 17, 22 and 36 yards. The final resulting in a touchdown.

Whitehurst didn't do much to improve Seattle's chances of winning in week nine, but I think about every Seahawks fan would agree that he looked quite a bit more competent against the Giants than he did against the Bucs. That is part of the mystery of football. Joe Montana could not have executed Air Coryell. If he had to, Montana may have become just another busted third-round quarterback prospect. Instead, Bill Walsh helped him become a legend. He didn't make Montana talented, but he did find what talent Montana had and maximized it. It's easy enough to say Whitehurst is just bad, just hopelessly bad and incapable of ever being good, and maybe that's so. But maybe Jeremy Bates just hasn't figured out yet what it is Whitehurst can do. Maybe, right now, in some 11th hour film study, Bates is figuring out the exact game plan to bring out the very best in Whitehurst. Maybe, against a much worse pass defense, in a system much better tailored to what he can do, Charlie Whitehurst is about to have the game of his life. And if that seems like a stretch, I challenge you to prove it's impossible.

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The gameplan for Charlie Whitehurst should involve a lot of Leon Washington and Michael Robinson

But instead we’ll get 7 yard run, 2 yard loss, and a 3rd down incompletion to Obo. Rinse and repeat.

This is the biggest game of Bates’ career as a playcaller, if you ask me.

Accustomed to mediocrity.

by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2010 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

Alternatively

The incompletion could go to Tate.

The scenario you proposed was the Bucs game to a T, I hope that Bates reflects on that as he game plans for this week, although I will point out you can’t game plan for your QB making the lamest attempts to break the pocket and run I’ve ever seen. I think Brett Favre might be faster than Whitehurst. Not more athletic, or agile, but maybe faster.

by Kingdomer on Dec 29, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Tate gets no more than 10 snaps a game

And most when the game is over

Accustomed to mediocrity.

by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

so...mid-second quarter in most games.....

If I'm going to root for an all-tools QB starting for my Seahawks it better be Jake Locker.

by The Manchild on Dec 29, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the biggest game of Bates’ career as a playcaller

Hopefully to date. Although the Denver San Diego game in 08 probably wins that title. Still if what you say bodes true: it’s gonna be a long few years.

Beam yourself up

I'm a one man rec'n crew

by jubelthebear on Dec 29, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Aw hail.

Sorry for the title ommision.

Beam yourself up

I'm a one man rec'n crew

by jubelthebear on Dec 29, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about you guys.

I’m done being depressed about how we got here. I’m starting to feel excited about being here. Week 17 and football matters. Mattarlie be damned…. I’m going to the game and I’m going to have fun…..for at least the duration of my tailgate…. hopefully more.

If I'm going to root for an all-tools QB starting for my Seahawks it better be Jake Locker.

by The Manchild on Dec 29, 2010 5:55 PM PST reply actions  

I think the best line is the last one.

Prove it’s impossible. This is the best collection of hopeful words you’ve written all year.
It also makes a hell of a slogan for this shittastic team. Nice Work John.

by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2010 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

"prove it's impossible" vs "earn everything"

I like the former.

If I'm going to root for an all-tools QB starting for my Seahawks it better be Jake Locker.

by The Manchild on Dec 29, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

sure it's possible

One thing I know is certain, not just a possibility, is that I am dumb enough to hope that a team that can’t run the ball, can’t throw the ball, and can’t play defense will somehow find a way to win, and if they do I’ll be dumb enough to think it’s possible for them to win a home playoff game too. That’s what’s awesome about being a fan, throw reasonable out the window, I’m rooting for possible.

by dundundun on Dec 29, 2010 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

Is this the day where Charlie realizes his true potential?

Against NY we were missing most of our starters and it was one of the stoutest defense in the league. Against ARI and TB he was put in at a last second and had little preparation/ scouting. Now he has no excuses and against a key game at home in primetime this will show if Charlie is really worth the hype

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on Dec 29, 2010 6:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

We'll know who starts when the Sunday Night Football narrative is decided

Matt will be playing on Sunday after a Lazarus-like recovery, when it seemed like it would be impossible for him to play. Selling the “craggy veteran QB hobbling on one good leg leading his team to the playoffs” angle à la Brett Favre complete with Mike Holmgren flashbacks.

Either that or Dick Ebersol will work a modernization of the Jeff Hostetler story, where the unknown perennial back-up with all-pro quality facial hair (played this time by Chuck Whitehurst) comes in for the injured veteran Phil Simms Hasselbeck and guides the Giants Seahawks to the Super Bowl.

I’m not sure which one the writers at NBC will go with but we’ll know by kickoff. Get your popcorn ready.

by Kevaru on Dec 29, 2010 6:31 PM PST reply actions  

From the commercials it appears that NBC is firmly in Sam Bradford's corner.

The narrative has already been decided: Rookie sensation leads what was the worst team in the NFL to the playoffs. The national media still doesn’t respect Qwest Field; they still play it off as some kind of amusing occurence.

by J.L. White on Dec 29, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The Bad News Bears storyline

Terrible team finds their ringer and makes their way to the big time. Classic underdog story. That’s a prepackaged Hollywood script right there. Great angle. Huge ratings. We’re fucked.

by Kevaru on Dec 29, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't out-underdog the underdog.

And we have a ringer. His name is Chaz Whitehurst.

by Culter on Dec 29, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I would think the national media not respecting our team is quite different than not respecting the stadium.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I get the feeling outsiders see "The Qwest Effect" as more of a novelty than a serious advantage for our team.

The Seahawks getting royally toasted in some of their recent homegames may have also softened the reverence for our palace…..but that is hardly The 12th Man’s fault.

I guess we’ll just have to show the rookie how things are done on the big stage: cold and wet field and surrounded by thousands of screaming maniacs. Whole ‘nother world from livin’ it up in the French Quarter right before the Sugar Bowl.

by J.L. White on Dec 30, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I say good luck to Charlie Whitehurst on sunday

It must be surreal for him to finally play the biggest game of his life on national television that determines whether or not the team advances to the playoffs. Win or lose the team will have their eyes on Whitehurst after the game.

by Seahawksfan23 on Dec 29, 2010 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

Well, Charlie Whitehurst starting Sunday is what I am hoping for...

If he’s succesful than maybe we have someone to build around. If not, well – we’ll be one step closer to possibly finding a tenable solution through the draft.

by farmer cam on Dec 29, 2010 7:20 PM PST reply actions  

I'm just hoping for respectable body language from the dude

Hopefully on Sunday he can manage to stand up straight and relax his face a little bit. I’m still not convinced CW even enjoys football. It’s like his Dad is always glaring at him from Row 5 like YOU WILL DISAPPOINT YOUR FATHER IF YOU DON’T FINISH THE SEASON. SOCCER IS FOR PUSSIES.

by jhmg16 on Dec 29, 2010 7:21 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

No doubt.

He seems to always walk around with his head down between plays like his girlfriend just left him.

by NinjaHawk on Dec 29, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

If I were drawing up the perfect play for Whitehurst...

It would look exactly like the one Rodgers unleashed on us in the preseason.

John did a great writeup of it:

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2010/8/23/1637949/anatomy-of-a-first-play-56-yard

Highlight:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010082161/2010/PRE2/packers@seahawks#tab:watch/contentId:09000d5d819ee4ab

The problem is that even if we executed the play perfectly and gave Charlie enough time to make the throw, I’m not sure that BMW or Obomanu have the foot speed to play the Jennings role. Tate could do it, but the coaching staff has zero faith in him.

by Culter on Dec 29, 2010 7:51 PM PST reply actions  

Foot speed? Obo?

He ran a 4.45. I know 40-yard times aren’t the end-all, be-all of speed scores, but that’s not too shabby. And the same year, in the same draft, Jennings ran a 4.42.

"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray

by Matt Erickson on Dec 30, 2010 1:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Stupid 49ers.

Where’s Deon Butler when you need him?

by Coach Owens on Dec 30, 2010 4:30 AM PST up reply actions  

This has probably been addressed in another thread...

but I find the way Carroll is handling Hasselbeck’s injury status a bid odd. All season long he has been incredibly optimistic (if not delusional) when it comes to his positive spin on injuries but right before our biggest game of the season he’s going out of his to make it seem like it would take a miracle for Hasselbeck to play? Why is he being so forthright all of a sudden? Wouldn’t it make sense to make it seem like Hasselbeck is going to play all the way up until friday?

by Culter on Dec 29, 2010 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

I think there's some political motives...

this way he has to be overwhelmed by Hass’s progress to go with him. Remember it wasn’t long ago that Carroll was ready to make the switch to Whitehurst. A hobbled Hasselbeck has to be the worst possible scenario for starting QB this Sunday.

by farmer cam on Dec 29, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I'm thinking.

Either Carroll is determined not to play a struggling/hobbled Hasselbeck (likely) or the plan is to play Hasselbeck and they want to keep St Louis in the dark as long as possible (conspiracy theory, but still more plausible than Carroll giving a completely honest injury report to the press before he has to).

by Culter on Dec 29, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm gonna be fucking pissed if Hasselbeck plays.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 29, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

You and me both. I wanted Clipboard Jesus at QB since we lost to Rams. We all knew what Hasslebeck was all about and I for one never wanted the Hawks to make the playoffs. I wanted the Hakws to win no more than 6 wins due to draft purposes.

by cthunder on Dec 29, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

if hass plays

I’ll be rooting for a seahawks loss. This guy has been one of the worst QBs of the last 3 years.34/44 in tds/INTs, a qb rating in the upper 60’s. Just horrible numbers. Only the “face of the franchise” would be allowed to play so bad yet keep his job. What if hass player and we actually win? They may give this loser a new contract and we would be stuck with him for another 2-3 years.

by plyka on Dec 30, 2010 4:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

When the calls for Charlie to start began

I was worried that a couple of shitty starts would doom him to whipping boy amongst the Seahawks faithful. While I don’t think Charlie deserves our full faith that he will develop as a franchise QB, I am hopeful that he can pull things together with a couple consecutive starts and a little more experience on game. On Sunday, I’m going to be cheering for whoever takes the snaps, but I’m hoping that Charlie will be able to pull off a solid game.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 29, 2010 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

I'm glad Charlie is starting.

But the irrational side of me wanted to see Matt Hasselbeck beat the Rams one last time.

by DetectiveM on Dec 29, 2010 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

I say we sign Bobby Engram

Then get Paul Allen’s team of mad scientists build Matt a robotic hip and arm, and watch as Hasselbeck and Engram connect on the game winning TD that should have been in 2004.

by Culter on Dec 29, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Win or lose

If Charlie plays great, legitimately great in a high pressure close game, I think that would be awesome.

If he suddenly morphs into a creature of value, the ‘Hawks are better for it as long as it doesn’t dissuade them from acquiring a young potential franchise QB in the offseason.

Most of my cliches aren't original.

- Chuck Knox

by Azimeir on Dec 29, 2010 9:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

There's not much that will convince me that Whitehurst is the starter next year

One game isn’t going to do much to change his fortunes heading into next year. Which, assuming we don’t bring Hasselbeck back, means he’ll be a solidly placed backup for whatever draft pick or veteran we bring in. Since he has a contract through next year and is relatively cheap for a backup QB, I don’t see us cutting him. And he certainly doesn’t have much in the way of trading stock to shop to other teams. I mean, if we gave up Seneca for a 6th or 7th round draft pick, Whitehurst would be laughed out of the room.

by Clendy on Dec 29, 2010 9:59 PM PST reply actions  

In theory (and I do mean in theory), he could have as many 5 games left to prove that he should be the starter next year.

In the real world, he could have a good game in a win against a mediocre Rams team, and then acquit himself well in a relatively close loss to the Saints (say an effort similar to Hasselbeck’s 300 yard game against the Saints earlier in the year).

None of those things will happen, but he absolutely has the opportunity to prove that he should be our starter next year.

by Culter on Dec 29, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What if he plays well but we lose to the Rams.

Then would he have had “absolutely the opportunity to prove that he should be our starter next year” or does it require outside influence via the team winning/succeeding?

I think if he fails, we’ve managed to negate any value he could have had, and we wasted the 3rd on him.

But because of the extreme mismanagement of the season, if he succeeds, win or loss, we still don’t know a fucking thing.

Pretty damn frustrated, but I guess you reap what you sow.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 30, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I Agree

Barring two phenomenal performances versus the Rams and Saints (which could still be a flash in the pan, the performance, not the Saints) I don’t think his performance Sunday night will be any other kind of punctuation but a question mark.

He’ll be in camp next year to compete with ____ and ____ I assume, so this will go into the overall body of work, but any first rounder that shows he ‘gets it’ in preseason would still most likely start. There’s no telling what the future will hold; all Charlie SHOULD do is make the most of the opportunity he is given, something I’m not convinced he’s done.

Most of my cliches aren't original.

- Chuck Knox

by Azimeir on Dec 30, 2010 12:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe so

If you’re counting this Sunday and next year’s preseason. But he’s definitely shown in his appearances this year that as bad as Hasselbeck has played, he has almost always been worse. He still has a chance to earn the starting job, but he would have to find out how the Spartans trained their QBs, do what they did to break his rookie-in-his-fourth-year bad habits, and still put up a hell of a performance during the preseason, consistently, before I think the team would be willing to have him at the helm.

by Clendy on Dec 29, 2010 11:50 PM PST reply actions  

I'm talking about playoff games.

Whitehurst is going to be the starting QB in a must-win game against the Rams. And if he wins that game, he could play in up to four playoff games. Obviously that’s not going to happen. But that’s not the point I’m making. I’m addressing your statement that there’s not much Whitehurst can do to prove to you that he should be the starter next season.

If by some miracle the Seahawks did make the playoffs, and Whitehurst actually got the start(s) in those games, he could definitely cement his status as our starter next season. Hell, even Matt Hasselbeck could play his way into a contract extension with a great postseason run. Again, we’re probably one and done against the Rams. But it’s worth noting that a strong playoff performance (by either player) would have serious implications for next season.

by Culter on Dec 30, 2010 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't anyone else think that insisting on playing CW despite MH health vs Rams is possibly the smartest franchise decision he's made all year?

Think about it. Its already been mentioned in this thread that PC has publicly said it would take a miracle for Matt to make it back for this game: so maybe he sees his injury as mana from heaven to get out of the sticky personnel decision he sees himself as being in.
All year he has backed MH, and still can’t afford to alienate him by formally dropping him (despite having pulled him once) because he can’t predict the draft. WE MAY NEED MH in 2011! As underwhelming and unencouraging as it sounds, we all know that’s the case.

So now,
Team Win?=All happy, Fans?=Play-offs Woooh!(brush draft under carpet till next year – you know we will!) + PC/JS look good for trading for and playing CW
Team Lose? Well if CW good?=PC/JS Happy, Fans=Acceptable Season(compare mood to Mora – just as bad team but life-giving hope around) Hopeful if not Happy.
And if CW bad? PC/JS go back to MH relationship intact, extend for 1 season, give him one last shot in 2011, leave current set up as is re MH/CW, try to draft QB or if not, draft DEFENSE plus replace Locklear/maybe Andrews with middle-of-road FA’s (JM has repeatedly said that Locklear is SO bad that AVERAGE is an upgrade – therefore low draft priority… did someone once mention Marcel Dareus or Marvin Austin? I 2nd that.

Sorry so long. Always get carried away!

by Branston on Dec 30, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

We won't need MH in 2011.

Even if we have NO replacement, I can’t see the point in continuing with MH. We’re a bottom-feeder offense with him, and we could be a bottom-feeder offense just as well without him. In the long run we would literally be better off doing what Arizona’s doing, just trying different QBs until one works. The replacement process has to begin, and that means giving new guys an honest shot. If some games need to be lost as part of the evaluation process, let’s get started already. Time to let go and start earnestly working on something new.

As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

by Bisquick McBob on Jan 1, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Like seeing the ninja about to kill you

Anything is possible to see, but it’s usually not very likely. There’s every possibility of CW still winning the starter position, but that would require a completely different Whitehurst showing up at Qwest this week, and at all games he plays at from here on out. I don’t think winning or losing against the Rams or in the playoffs matters, but he absolutely positively has to show that he’s getting better and will continue to get even more so. Winning these upcoming games merely gives him more chances to show that he has what it takes.

Love him or hate him, and I’m still a big fan of him myself, Hasselbeck hasn’t played at an insurmountable level this year (to put it nicely). The fact that PC has still put him in at starter, week after week, despite his lingering injuries and poor performance, seems less a reflection on Hasselbeck’s play and more of what he thinks of Whitehurst. The few times he’s gone in, he and Bates have refused to open up the playbook for him and his strong arm to make the plays that Hasselbeck can’t anymore, keeping him to an anemic running game and short slants that he’s struggled with, even with decent protection.

So even with a decent, or even good game against the Rams, that’s still going to be weighed against his other appearances where he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire. It might be enough to pique Q/PM’s curiosity and remind them why they traded for him in the first place, but I think the odds are almost infinitesimal that they’ll decide to go with CW as the presumptive starter going into next season without the best draft prospect we can swing competing against him.

As for veterans, anyone we want to trade for will command staggering prices, like Orton or Kolb, at least a 1st round pick plus change. Too expensive when we have so many other needs to patch with our draft bandaids. Possible free agents, like McNabb, would only be a temporary solution, with similar upside and salary requirements as Hasselbeck. If it comes down to basically renting such a veteran QB for a year or two, as opposed to drafting or trading for a youngish QB that we would own outright, I think we’d make the choice to stick with Hasselbeck: He has the history here, he’s already familiar with the offense, and despite his diminishing skills, still has an incredible work ethic. If we get no QB of the future from the draft or elsewhere, and that’s damned unlikely, I think we end up staying the course rather than making change for change’s sake.

by Clendy on Dec 30, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

CW will start

Regardless of Matt’s health. Also, Pete obviously saw something in CW, which is why he traded tor him. Heck, even the charters saw something,which is why he was never cut. CW has barely played this year. Pete recently said that he thinks of CW as a rookie, that he needs more time to develop. Pete also said that CW will one day soon be a very, very good starting qb. It could be coachspeak, hut I doubt it. Coaches understand that QBs take time and playing time to develop. I’m pretty sure that CW will start next test.

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