It's Primetime, Pete
by John Morgan on Dec 31, 2010 6:46 PM PST
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PrintWe have been pretty generous, Pete Carroll. We, the Seahawks fans, have been reserved in our criticism and generous with our patience. It's not easy to take an already bad team, strip it of much of its young talent, throw your weight behind competing right away, and still somehow oversee the worst second half collapse in franchise history, but you have, and the somnolent, patient, inured faithful of the Pacific Northwest have abided with barely a "boo."
But it's primetime, Pete. It's primetime.
We are slow to judge. Smug in our awareness of sample size and relativity and the way the greatest achievements so often arise from the greatest crises. It's history. We know our history. We read, we respect, we don't react. We're patient, not so dogmatic to give much credence to "buy in" but trusting enough to assume there is something larger to buy into.
But it's primetime, Pete. This Sunday the Seahawks play primetime football, in front of the nation, with Qwest and the great Seattle metropolis in the spotlight, and the Seahawks, our pride, a symbol of our community, taking the field for the world to see.
We may have gotten a little too excited after 4-2. 4-2! Four wins! Two, two tiny losses. But give a starving man his bread. We needed that. We needed something to hang our hope on. We are smart, so smart, and literate, yes literate, and wise, with perspective, but we're fans, we're fans and this team has fallen so far so fast that we have felt punished and ashamed for our fandom. We need hope--sweet irrational hope!
We may have gotten a little too low after blowout loss after blowout loss. 17 conceded to the despicable Rams. 30! A 30 point blowout by the Raiders. 30! 30 scored before halftime by the putrid 49ers. We may have fled our hopes like rats from a burning building, but what an ugly, detestable end to the season. It hurts Pete, and it's hard to forgive.
But it's primetime, Pete. It's primetime football, and if you're any kind of competitor, this season has stabbed at you like an iron maiden. For every time we have dug our fingernails into our palms to bleeding, for every tirade launched at our televisions, for the pacing, the ranting, the--worst of all--the sweetness of hope crushed, again and again, until hope feels like the leading edge of defeat and dread, you, Pete Carroll, we trust that you felt sick and angry and doubly committed to end this embarrassment, this collapse, to ending the demise of this once proud franchise, to ending three years of Seahawks failure that has smothered Seattle in mud and ash and suffocating death like the Osceola Mudflow.
Because we are patient and loyal and aware of the great burden you were handed, Pete, but we are strong and proud and sick of being bottom feeders.
And it's primetime, Pete. It's primetime, and, we, the Seahawks, the Seahawks Nation, the Seahawks fans that welcomed your arrival and will watch you leave, do not demand victory. We demand everything you have.
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So does Me First and the Gimme Gimmes
"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray
by Matt Erickson on Dec 31, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That video was too long
The only thing it needed was John Belushi saying: “It’s not over.. until we SAY it’s over!”
Losing is for losers.
I'm glad Hitler made the list. He was a good speaker.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 2, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
as sad and as painful as it is to say this
it’s true. I mean talk about having an asterisk next to your name though…
Fill me in please
Who do we have to root for to get the Seahawks better picks in the draft. Dallas and Detroit?
Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Cleveland, San Franfagsco
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Author of The Seahawks Asylum: http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
by Nick Andron on Dec 31, 2010 10:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
San Franfagsco?
Really? I would flag this if I wasn’t on mobile.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jan 1, 2011 1:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No need to flag
when you can pull off the smug and self-satisfied “Stay Classy.”
Llama's cut/release list:
Hasselbeck, Locklear, Andrews, Terrill, Cole, Trufant, Jennings
by Wayward Llama on Jan 1, 2011 6:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yo, lemme tell you...
I’m a Seahawks fan who lives in San Franfagsco. I hate the Niners, and the Raiders, cuz I’m a born and bread, true, hardcore Seahawks fan — and that’s for LIFE, motherfucker!
Now, slagging on the Niners I can understand. They suck. They will suck for many, many years. BUT — don’t slag my city, yo.
Losing is for losers.
by TheLaird on Jan 1, 2011 1:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Truth.
SF might be strange in some ways, but it might also be the greatest city in the world, and the most tolerant of other people, of all kinds of people. I love the “live and let live” atmosphere, and the world would be a better place if more places were more like SF…
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh. I typed once as a joke in text and my iPhone auto-corrected
Apologies if anyone was offended. I’d like to think I’m pretty respectful here =/
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Author of The Seahawks Asylum: http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
by Nick Andron on Jan 1, 2011 5:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Isn't there an iPhone auto-correct pic submission site?
That or I could just submit to failblog. Either would work.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Author of The Seahawks Asylum: http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
Hahaha ohhhh man.
No worries. Yes, you’re normally an upstanding citizen, I was surprised. That’s classic though.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jan 2, 2011 12:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I've been coming here for about two years now, I think, and this is my favorite piece.
Well done. I still want to lose because I’m an irrational homer, and, well, Jake Locker. For all those about to barbecue me for that: I already know that may not be the most well-reasoned emotion I’ve ever produced.
Love the game, love the beer, love your team.
by THolt on Dec 31, 2010 8:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I would enjoy being exposed a single "well-reasoned emotion".
"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray
by Matt Erickson on Dec 31, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Irony was what I was trying to point out.
It sucks, honestly. I don’t know how to feel. Locker may not be an automatically good Q in the League, but I still feel like he has certain qualities that lend themselves to the NFL. I want him to be a ‘Hawk so bad, but I don’t want him to bust if he is drafted by SEA. How, given that I’m a senior at UW, do I reconcile these conflicts of fandom? My brain is fried; this is a mathematical conundrum.
Love the game, love the beer, love your team.
Locker's a nice Kid, and a great Husky.
As a great Husky fan, I’d like to see him win Superbowls. And if he’s going to do that, he might as well do it here.
Every drafted QB is a total crap-shoot, and there’s more than one way to lead a team down the field when the game’s on the line. Jake’s game is more brute than stylish, but ugly can still be plenty tough to stop. Given a fairly decent team that really needs a QB, they could do a lot worse than ol’ Jake.
that being said
Someone, who’s football opinion I trust has said Locker is actually accurate on 3 step drops, or 5 step drops, but noticed this weird thing: when Locker runs the ball a lot, his accuracy plummets. I haven’t had a chance to confirm this, but it’s worth researching.
I'm pretty sure that's his position.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jan 1, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Would rec, but I am decidedly mobile at the moment.
Love the game, love the beer, love your team.
by THolt on Jan 2, 2011 6:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Speaking on being irrational
I am so damn sick and tired of people who love to shit on Jake Locker. The guy has OBVIOUS flaws in his game. He also is only a notch below Cam Newton as an absolute athletic freak of nature and unlike Newton has zero character issues. Putting aside the deficiencies of his pedigree (Wing-T in HS, Willingham his first two years in college) whatever Jake’s ceiling of ability is (and there is ample, non-rose colored glasses reasons to believe it is substantial) he will absolutely work, study and prepare his ass off. He will also without a doubt be a fan favorite, a locker room favorite and a credit to whatever community he becomes a part of for whatever amount of value you want to assign to that.
Jake’s not Andrew Luck, we get it. But the guy’s a potential high 1st round draft pick for a reason and I’m tired of every Hawk fan that’s also a UW fan getting poo pooed by people who only focus on the negatives he brings to the table and ignore the legit positives.
/End rant.
by TheBishop on Jan 1, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
My mom went to school with Jake's parents
And said they are high class. And you just look at Jake’s decision to stay for his senior season at the UW as a reason not to doubt his character and class. Even though as a Coug I was hoping he would declare for the draft.
However, I think it would be in Jake’s best interest (and best for his long term health) if take that minor league contract the Angle’s offered him. After all 600K a year isnt a bad salary for a minor league player now is it?
What goes up must come down.
Sorry Duck fans
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 1, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
He already did take that Angels contract, which is why he wasn't a scholarship player this year.
Got a ~300k signing bonus, he has a right to try football first though. He wouldn’t get 600k/year in the minors. Players in the minors live tough, tough lives without big time signing bonuses.
it was a fail!
typed with out looking at what i was typing. rookie mistake agh!
What goes up must come down.
Sorry Duck fans
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 1, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
ah it isnt 600K a year!
damn fail, its 600K over like 6 or 7 years
What goes up must come down.
Sorry Duck fans
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 1, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Locker, Freeman, and Tebow
Similar criticisms and plusses coming out of college. I saw Freeman play in college and was decidedly down on him because of his accuracy; he seems to be having a modicum of success.
Awesome physical gifts with a good head on their shoulders… something good happening wouldn’t be the strangest thing.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
by Azimeir on Jan 2, 2011 1:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Tebow had/has big concerns about the mechanics
Locker doesn’t.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 2, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
So did Kerry Collins though
At some point I wonder if scouts are going to stop worrying about the shit that has been proven to be a sometimes thing.
Doug Flutie/Drew Brees is too small, for instance.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
Lots of exceptions to the rule
The league chews up and spits out all sorts of QBs that have the skills, tools, intangibles, etc. The fact that a player has problems in a key area doesn’t make the college-to-NFL transition any easier.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 2, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
But has it proven to make it harder?
Freeman was bonafide scattershot coming out of college and he seems to have gotten over it, while all Leinart was missing was arm strength, supposedly, and that’s hardly been his issue.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
SEA!
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A week ago...
I was wincing at the idea of this game. I wished that the Seahawks would never be in the position to win the division with a losing record. Now, I’m all like: BRING IT ON!
We win, there’s gonna be a lot of haters. I say: fuck those haters.
Losing is for losers.
by TheLaird on Jan 1, 2011 1:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Great read!!
Let’s shock the world against a divisional foe to end the season, the same way we shocked the world when the other NFC West Darling / Flavor of the Month SF came to Quest to start this bloody season. We really need to imprint upon this fledgling STL and it’s delusional, rookie QB the awesome menace of Quest Field and the bone-rattling power of the12th Man.
Go Hawks!!
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
by Miskatonic Fighting Cephalopods on Dec 31, 2010 11:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
great piece of writing JM
Nuff said. Happy New Year everyone and go Hawks!
by nachesfire on Dec 31, 2010 11:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Everyone needs their Jazz hands up for Sunday
Including Pete. Including Morgan.
Losing is for losers.
During the pre-season
I was talking with my brother who is a Raiders fan (Raiders tattoo and all, it’s sad) and we were comparing expectations for this year. All I wanted after last season was for the Hawks to be competitive, to stop getting blown out like we had no business playing whoever we were playing. And we actually started out that way this year, it was great. But the way we’re losing now is way worse than the actual losses. I would rather go 0-16 but be in every game at the end, rather than get slapped around like pansies. You nailed it, John. We are going to be on the national mainstage, I don’t want our beloved team to be embarrassed in Qwest Field by the fucking RAMS.
As much as I want that draft position, fuck the Rams, GO SEAHAWKS.
by NinjaHawk on Jan 1, 2011 2:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Nothing wrong with being a Raiders fan.
At least they stick through all of the terrible years. Note all of the Saints “fans” that have come out of the woodwork in the past few years. First thing I think when I fire up Madden 11 and see the main screen is “How many of you pricks were ‘diehard’ Cowboys fans two years ago?”
Llama's cut/release list:
Hasselbeck, Locklear, Andrews, Terrill, Cole, Trufant, Jennings
by Wayward Llama on Jan 1, 2011 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe it is just my inebriated take on the world, but this resonated with me.
John, I read that like a piece of theater, instead of a piece of analysis. It flowed with the blood of a fan and got my adrenaline pumping. It makes me want to be at the tailgate now, just minutes from going inside the gate. You put my fandom into your words, and while I know losing is the best thing for the franchise…I want Pete to win, and give us this one shining moment.
Go Seahawks.
Great Post John.
by BrettJMiller on Jan 1, 2011 4:58 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm SO torn...
I cannot bring myself to actively root against my beloved Seahawks. My rational brain says that more than anything this team needs to acquire talent, and favoring the draft over any other channel at that. My heart says, “I hate the friggin’ Rams when they play us!” It’s not even about the playoffs as much as not wanting to get swept by the Rams.
I can’t help feel like this is a crossroads. Seattle needs to build primarily through the draft irrespective of where the next QB is acquired. I don’t want Seattle to lose an ounce of flexibility in the process or rebuilding this team.
I’ll watch. I’ll root for Seattle, but I expect the Rams to win because the Rams seem like the slightly better team over the first 15 games. I won’t be heartbroken if they do win.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Is ANYONE going to be sober by kickoff tomorrow?
I’m going to be a fucking wreck all day. I will likely cycle through all 5 steps of the grieving process before noon, watch the other games and make wild moonshit insane theories about what the outcomes mean for the Seahawks, flip flop on the draft picks/playoff appearance debate, halfheartedly “scout” the Saints and Falcons in case we end up facing them in the playoffs, and drink roughly one beer per half hour between 10am and 11pm.
SEA!
no way
primetime means more/easier tailgating which always ends well.
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by Hancock.Brett on Jan 1, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Also, I liked this bit from Sando on Rams' false start penalties this season:
Only the Minnesota Vikings (30) and Oakland Raiders (29) have committed more false-start penalties than the Rams (28) this season, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Teams visiting Qwest Field have committed a league-high 103 such penalties since 2005. Rams players with the most false starts this season: right tackle Jason Smith (five), left tackle Rodger Saffold (five), center Jason Brown (three), left guard Jacob Bell (two), right guard Adam Goldberg (two) and tight end Billy Bajema (two).
no disrepst to the rams
i hope u guys win tomm
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by j-man on Jan 1, 2011 12:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Hey J-man.
Naw, disrespect the Rams, it’s all good.
Llama's cut/release list:
Hasselbeck, Locklear, Andrews, Terrill, Cole, Trufant, Jennings
by Wayward Llama on Jan 1, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it but it made me super lawl.
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
One Draft
Will not make the difference next season. We should face it, were 2 more seasons away from being in ’05 form.
So if your considering hoping we lose for draft position, go ahead and toss your jerseys, sell your tickets, change the channel. Your not a fan.
by Mighty_Mouse on Jan 1, 2011 2:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Really? More of this bull?
Can this whole “real fan” shit just die. Seriously… it’s getting old.
by chrees on Jan 1, 2011 2:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It could
When “fans” don’t root against their team.
by Mighty_Mouse on Jan 1, 2011 2:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What does Seattle benefit from a first round blowout loss?
And don’t tell me experience.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Veteranositymanship.
Llama's cut/release list:
Hasselbeck, Locklear, Andrews, Terrill, Cole, Trufant, Jennings
by Wayward Llama on Jan 1, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Is that a top ten pick coming at us? A franchise QB? A monster DE or DT? A CB who can actually play or a lineman who can actually block?
Naw, it’s cool. We’ll take mediocrity at 21, Alex.
Llama's cut/release list:
Hasselbeck, Locklear, Andrews, Terrill, Cole, Trufant, Jennings
by Wayward Llama on Jan 1, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
But but but publicity is all good!
I put up a Bowl Game open thread. The Rose Bowl is off to a great start.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
While calling out people's fandom is childish and trollish
so is the mocking that is done towards those who do want the Seahawks to win.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
by Lo Pann on Jan 1, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dobutful we can get a franchise QB even at top 10
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
Doubtful we can get a franchise ANYTHING at 21.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
If we're 2 more seasons away from being in 05 form
Wouldn’t a better draft pick help with getting the pieces we need, as opposed to getting our asses kicked in the playoffs?
Tell me this
Take it most of you watch games from the couch, bar, ect. Not from Qwest like myself or many others do.
No chance were getting one of the top tier prospects in the draft, unless Pete and John want/go get them. Which I have faith in theyll do anyways, no matter what draft position we are in.
Ill take a game in January anytime over sitting at home, but hey what do I know different, im just a fan like the rest of you.
by Mighty_Mouse on Jan 1, 2011 3:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Season Ticket holder since the 2005 season, but thanks for assuming.
There’s no chance of getting one of the top tier prospects in the draft with a pick in the top 10? Really?
My Fault
Meant Qb, aka Andrew Luck
by Mighty_Mouse on Jan 1, 2011 3:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ill assume again
You’ll be chanting Jp Jp this week?
by Mighty_Mouse on Jan 1, 2011 3:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You're kind of being a jerk right now...
A lot of people who read Field Gulls like myself are season ticket holders and we are all hardcore fans. Because some of us want long term success (which is more likely with a top ten pick) does not make us lesser fans than you. Get off of your high horse.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jan 1, 2011 3:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I want long-term success just as much as anyone else, but for people to say they want us to lose on Sunday for draft position is crap.
by Mighty_Mouse on Jan 1, 2011 3:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A QB would give us long term success.
You are acting like we are a playoff caliber team. You can not expect us to go to and win a SB with Matt or Charlie. Matt pulled something jogging into the endzone. You really want to watch painful season after painful season? Why not want a new face to the franchise? Andrew Luck isn’t the only QB in the top half of the 1st that could be a great one. Atleast if we draft in the top half we have a chance to get a QB and start becoming a real SB contender. You think were better than the Saints, Falcons, Pats, Indy, Or GB? They all have something in common, think about it. They have QB’s.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Jan 1, 2011 10:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I respect where this argument is coming from, but...
I think you are overestimating the probability of high draft picks making a big difference. If it did, the Patriots would be the worst team in the league, and the Lions the best.
Given recent history (going back 12 years), if pick a quarterback #1 or #2 in the first round, you have a 50% chance of that pick being a bust, and about a 33% chance of getting a franchise QB. Returns diminish very quickly after the third pick, and but you still have a decent shot all the way through the first round.
Andrew Luck is the only elite prospect this year. (Not to say good quarterbacks won’t get drafted, just that he’s the only guy who stands a 50% or better chance of succeeding in the NFL.) If (and a big if) he declares, the Seahawks already won too many games this year to draft him.
Drafting QB’s is a crap shoot, and I don’t think there’s evidence to support that your chance drafting at 6 is any better than drafting at 21.
Losing is for losers.
It's not just the QB in the first round.
It’s picking higher in every round of the draft, which allows us better options regarding talent to fill the many holes this team has which will add to long term success. It also gives us a better shot at getting a good QB. Is it a crap shoot, yes, but right now I’d say the odds of us getting a solid QB in the draft with a top 10 pick is better than the odds of us beating the Saints in the playoffs.
It’s also easier for us to trade down in the draft and accumulate more picks later on, if for some reason we can’t get the player we want.
We only have our original 1st, 2nd and 5th
If we’re tied at 6-10 with a bunch of other teams, our draft order in the 1st will be different from our draft order in the 2nd (and we may pick at 2.11 instead of 2.6). The net result is that the increased draft capital in the rest of the draft (post 1st round) will likely be very small.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 2, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
That is a fair point, and I had forgotten about it.
That said, I do think having higher pick than 21 in those rounds will still help us to rebuild the team faster, especially in the first 2 rounds. And again, if needs be, there is also the possibility of us trading down and getting more picks to help with the rebuild.
by splintrdmind on Jan 2, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
While this is true
The higher the round, the less important the draft order. I’ve got to mention the Patriots, again, who somehow remain an elite team despite where they pick in the draft. (And who have 19 undrafted players on their roster, four of them starters on offense.)
Losing is for losers.
The Patriots have an amazing QB
And also have an great personnel department. They also like to trade down their picks and stockpile players, if I remember right. They also have fewer needs than the Seahawks do, team-wise.
by splintrdmind on Jan 2, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
How about choosing as example ANY franchise other than the best one of the past 10 years or so?
Because, you know, they are an outlier where everything they’ve done has worked to near perfection.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
This overall argument
Say the ’Hawks win tonight. 7-9. Playoffs. 21st pick(s).
Months later, as the first round unfolds, the Seahawks fans are bummed to see Newton go. Then Locker. Hawks nations greets the drafts of Gabbert with a sigh… and he goes on the be the best of the draft class and win a Super Bowl eight years later.
On the other hand, Locker may be a Hall of Famer one day, or Newton. All you can do is trust in your scouting (the one thing this regime seems to do well so far) and draft the best you can where you are.
I’ve come to agree that rooting for the Hawks to lose may ultimately be pointless from the standpoint of draft position with the exception of trading picks for ‘known’ commodities. (Because you never really know, do you?)
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
Some data
Between 1998 and 2007, quarterbacks picked 6th-20th were:
Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Ben Roethlisberger, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Chad Pennington, Daunte Culpepper, and Cade McNown.
Quarterbacks picked 21st-32nd were:
Brady Quinn, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, J.P. Losman, Rex Grossman, Patrick Ramsey and Drew Brees.
Losing is for losers.
Sensitive much?
Top ten picks don’t always equal success. Get off your finger pointing and scream your head off tomorrow for a victory. If we win, we have a home field playoff game and if we lose a “better” draft pick. I feel that we should all be happy with the season…did we except more from the team than what we got? Think about it: 6 wins so far, possible playoffs/division title, Mike Williams, Leon Washington, BeastMode, promising draft picks, etc…
GO HAWKS!
Well Said
Glad I have Monday off, will have no voice. Go Hawks
by Mighty_Mouse on Jan 1, 2011 6:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hey smart guy.
It’s you’re not a fan, not “your”. Don’t speak on anyones fan hood. If the Seahawks lose, we get a good draft spot that may help us beat the Rams for many years. If we win against the Rams, we will lose good draft position and may lose to them for years to come. We need a QB in order to compete. You can’t win games when you can’t get first downs and put points on the board. How long can we put off getting a QB? Matt is done and Charlie IMO doesn’t have “it”.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Jan 1, 2011 10:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I stayed at a Holiday Inn
Again, one draft isnt going to make or break us. Obviously, Pete and John have some type of plan for the future of this team. Anyone of us on here can speculate what that plan actually is, who they’re targeting, and what is going to actually happen.
You're right.
One draft ISN’T going to make or break us.
You can’t break something that’s already broken.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
That wasn't at all condescending.
I can see why someone would root for a victory today. Personally, I don’t think it’s worth the drop in draft position. I think it was SS, but someone said they don’t want this team obstructed from the rebuilding process at all, in the interest of being truly competitive year in, year out. I second that.
Your smug, self-assured and misspelled rant to the contrary.
Love the game, love the beer, love your team.
by THolt on Jan 2, 2011 2:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I give PC more than one year...
…before I start talking about how much patience I have with him.
Maybe that’s just me, but the man did inherit a Katrina-esque mess from a regime that put off addressing the QB situation for far too long.
If he doesn't draft a QB in the first two rounds
Or get a credible free agent (McNabb) and we still have Whitehurst and Hasselbeck then his ass should immediately be on the hot seat because at that point you might as well go 1-15.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
It's possible that Mcnabb is even worse than Hass
I said “possible” they are both so bad, I don’t believe measures of suckassness go that far so it’s all guess work….
Agreed.
It all comes down to his handling of the QB position. He can fix everything else, but without a good QB, he can’t justify any of it.
If they end up drafting a bust I can sorta handle it
Not showing any intent to fix it is something that would be remarkably inexcusable.
Accustomed to mediocrity.
Agreed.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not so sure.
While QB is obviously the team’s biggest need if the right guy isn’t available through the draft of some other means I’d rather see resources used to fix other issues. This team has enough needs that throwing resources at the wrong QB just for the sake of getting a QB doesn’t make much sense to me.
Many of the team's needs
are only needs because of our bleeding hole at QB.
Broken record, I know…
McNabb credible?
I’ll take “the year was 2007 for 800, Alex.”
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
No coach in the game would be able to repair the last 3-4 years worth of neglect in one season.
I’m sure Paul Allen knows this. Carroll and Schneider aren’t going anywhere.
Llama's cut/release list:
Hasselbeck, Locklear, Andrews, Terrill, Cole, Trufant, Jennings
by Wayward Llama on Jan 1, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
What goes up must come down.
Sorry Duck fans
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Jan 1, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
You're more generous than me.
We’ve gotten older and worse talent wise in a year of “competing” under Pete and “his” GM.
He’s mismanaged his already crappy QB situation. Latest I heard, Matt is starting today. Even more mismanagement.
He’s managed to trade away the commodity of draft picks in order to continue to misdirect resource value. Charlie is an expensive waste for a bad team getting worse, if you don’t even give him a chance to succeed by getting him first team reps in practice and legitimate game situations to have success with.
He’s managed to trade away young talent at positions that we (and most the NFL) are traditionally thin at, DB and OL, in order to replace those young talents with older lesser talented “more ready” players. Short term fixes for a team that has been applying short term fixes instead of long term infrastructure improvements for 5 consistently declining years now.
I’m tired of it and frustrated. We as fans have seen the value in rebuilding, the franchise itself damn well should have too!
Instead we’re on a path which very much appears to be the pleasure of enjoying more long term mediocrity, and Pete’s going to have to pull some rabbits out of hats pretty damn quick to prove otherwise.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Also, should we win on Sunday
Weather report is calling for snow on Sunday, January 9th…
Just sayin’.
Earl Thomas = God-send
by Modrik Zutar on Jan 1, 2011 5:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
But Josh Wilson won't be here to play in it :(
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
What young talent was stripped away?
Tapp? Too slow for the Leo; too small for the 5 tech. LoJax? Same as Tapp. Rob Sims? That was Gibbs hating on guards over 300 pounds. Josh Wilson? Too short for press coverage and he wasn’t going to be re-signed anyway.
And what did we get for scheming out those players?
A team that’s worse than last years.
by Nate Dogg on Jan 1, 2011 7:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I fall between these two opinions...
First, Wilson was a problem in coverage. He left massive cushions and could be out-reached for catches. So he was a liability in some areas.
But it was funny that nobody wanted Josh Wilson gone until he was traded. Then all of a sudden, people come out of the woodwork commenting on his size and scheme inconsistencies and hailing Carroll for being willing to part with players. Never mind the fact that approving of the Wilson trade requires one to approve of Kelly Jennings as our #2 CB – what I saw everywhere was, “Would this team be any better with Wilson? How many more wins would we have without him?” As if that’s supposed to be the sole measure of a player’s performance.
Wilson would not have transformed the team, but in terms of comparative value, Wilson was better than the alternative, as were a lot of those players.
Not defending the trade because I think it sucked
But you have to wonder how much of an impact he would’ve made for us this year. Based on how bad the rest of the team was, I’d guess we’d probably be in the same position we’re in now, except we’d also see Josh signing with a new team during FA. It does make sense that they wanted to get some value (wooo 4th rounder) from an expiring contract during a rebuilding season.
I don’t agree with idea of removing talent, but if you aren’t enamored with a player and he doesn’t fit in your future plans, it’s easy to rationalize trading him for something that will.
We also could have moved Wilson to Earl Thomas' position and slid Thomas to CB.
That wouldn’t have been the worst thing in the world from an overall improvement of the team’s talent— at least for a couple years, then eventually slid Earl back to safety down the road as he slows.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
But... at least we're older, so we've got that going for us!
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
For Tapp we got Clemons who has been very good. Sadly, we missed on EJ Wilson though. For LoJax we’ll have to wait until the 6th round this April. For Sims we got Chancellor who might start next year. And for Wilson, it will probably be a 4th round pick in April. It’s not like we dumped young talent for veterans… We dumped young players who didn’t fit for other young players who may.
When you can't get everything you need to rebuild a team you do the best you can.
And Pete did an amazing job at bringing a patchwork together to fill what could not be fixed properly. After 6 games the patchwork fell apart to injuries and other teams using film to better take advantage of our many disadvantages. This along with Matt’s uneven play was enough for a meltdown. If we get obliterated by the Rams I will still be well within my comfort zone with Pete. Next year will be better. GO HAWKS.
After 6 weeks the smoke and mirrors were realized to be just that.
Parlor tricks win early. Talent wins late.
We’re long on trick, short on treat.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
true but...
we did get some long term pieces that will help get us out of the smoke and mirror zone in the future. Okung, ET, Thurmond, BMW (if he resigns, which I think he will) etc.
The guy won two games (maybe three after Sunday) above last season's total...
so I see that as progress, regardless of Sunday nights game. You guys are right, he didn’t have a lot to work with, and got us to the cusp of the playoffs. I look forward to next year!
We were 5-11 last year.
But I do think that Pete has taken a team that is less talented overall from last year’s team, and gotten it to over-achieve to reach this point.
by splintrdmind on Jan 1, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmm......not so sure about that
We could end up 6 – 10 (in fact we deserve to) and that is only a one game improvement in a Division missing an offensively competent Cardinal team, plus a 49ers team yet to lose the plot. We are only in contention for the title because of the failures of others…and the stand-out play of Leon Washington.
They are worse this year, but they haven't quit or mutinied
like they did last year. That tells me all I need to know.
This year wasn't about just trying to increase the win total over last year
It was about rebuilding the team with schemes that the Pete and John thought would make us successful in the future and clearing out the parts that didn’t fit. This was the first part of the teardown. We’re still working on the rebuild.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 2, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
If this team IS less talented than last year, then you also have to give Pete equal blame to the credit he is attributed for having them overachieve.
His offseason moves have made this team less talented than last year’s.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
I am a jags fan from Orlando but
I really like the seahawks i went to seattle to see my aunt (I’m 13) i went to a marineers game and got a seahawks shirt there… Just wanted to say I’ll be rooting big time for ya guys
I've kept my mouth shut and my expectations low
In spite of my respect for your opinion, I’m afraid I have to disagree with you John.
I am much more a dedicated fan than a football expert, so most of my opinions come from the heart.
Watching PC and JS start fresh, rolling over the roster, using Gus Bradley (who I think is a major failure), I didn’t really expect the Seahawks to get as far as they have. To come this close to making the playoffs (even in such a weak division) is an accomplishment in itself.
Speaking of heart, you Hasselhaters can all pack up and go home. Cry in your beer, or do whatever you do until draft day, then cry some more.
Nobody on this year’s team has more heart than Hass. Sure he’s getting old, he’s lost a step (or two), he’s lost his arm (he only had half and arm to start), his eye is getting old witht the rest of him, but his heart is still as big as the field he plays on. He tries to hard, lets his emotions rule (or rue) the day, and keeps us all on the edge of our seats.
You’ll miss him when he’s gone. Whitehurst, currently semi-capable, will prove to be only a serviceable backup (mark my words).
PC will continue to revamp the team to his liking and will eventually build a championship team if given the chance. He’s done well this year, given his resources.
Who are you to question my reality?
So, yeah:
“Speaking of heart, you Hasselhaters can all pack up and go home. Cry in your beer, or do whatever you do until draft day, then cry some more. Nobody on this year’s team has more heart than Hass. Sure he’s getting old, he’s lost a step (or two), he’s lost his arm (he only had half and arm to start), his eye is getting old witht the rest of him, but his heart is still as big as the field he plays on. He tries to hard, lets his emotions rule (or rue) the day, and keeps us all on the edge of our seats.”
I want Hass gone. It’s funny though, you pretty much detail why— he’s lost a step and lost his arm.
But I don’t know that any one of us “Hasselhaters” have ever questioned his heart or effort.
You are right, he does keep me on the edge of my seat, too.
Because there’s no reason to get comfortable, we wont have the ball long enough to be comfortable. Might as well stay on the edge of the seat— it’s closer to the snacks and fridge and you’re just going to have a chance to get something else during the next commercial break 3 plays later.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 2, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
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