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Hey everybody, this is Fooch from Niners Nation. I'd have to imagine Seahawks fans have to be enjoying the struggles of the 49ers. Even bigger is the fact that your Seahawks can eliminate the 49ers from the postseason with a win at Candlestick Park on Sunday. Of course, the NFC West has been so convoluted and confusing that there is no result this weekend that would surprise me.

The 49ers season has been fairly disastrous from day one and some folks would just prefer that another team would just pull the plug and finish this torturous season. While I'd love to still make the playoffs, I can also see some value in just getting this all over with and moving forward into 2011.

You'll get an interesting mix of the 49ers this week. The team has benched Troy Smith and gone back to everyone's favorite whipping boy, Alex Smith. Additionally with Frank Gore finished for the season with a hip injury, Brian Westbrook and Anthony Dixon will continue splitting running back duties. And the defense? Well when Donald Driver breaks seven tackles for a long TD catch and run, things just aren't going your way.

Feel free to ask questions, make comments, or just laugh in our general direction. Normally, I'd say just stick to questions about the 49ers, but at this point I honestly don't care. 49ers fans have done enough laughing at their own expense that laughs from opposing fans really doesn't make much difference. I'm a fairly beaten-down fan at this point. I'll get some of the other NN folks over here to join in the discussion.

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mixed bag

It’s some combination of liking/disliking Alex Smith, liking/disliking Troy Smith, and just wanting to move past both. At this point Alex Smith would seem to be trailing in public opinion, but it’s hard to tell. I’d imagine we’ll see a soccer-style riot the second he starts to struggle.

by David Fucillo on Dec 7, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I tend to think that the older fans who have followed this team through its high performing championship caliber seasons think that Alex is nowhere near the same league as those who have come before him or even with half the active QBs in this league. However, there has been so much dysfunction in the coaching staff and game preparation and management that there are also fans who are patient enough and willing to see how Alex would do with a good coach and a “spread offense.” Everyone pretty much agrees that Alex is a nice guy though.

Get Well Frank!

by Amigo on Dec 7, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Troy

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

by mikeinsp on Dec 8, 2010 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

In what room and with what instrument

would your fanbase use to kill Mike Singletary in a game of Clue?

by chrees on Dec 7, 2010 2:20 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

rookie linemen

They’ve had a ton of ups and downs. Anthony Davis has put together two straight very solid games, including helping hold Clay Matthews to no sacks on Sunday. They both are suffering growing pains, but I’ve seen enough over the course of the year that I’m excited for the future. They could still certainly end up as busts, but I think they’ve shown enough that my excitement is at least a little bit justified.

For Davis in particular, the criticism has been heavy in part because he’s out on an island at right tackle and it’s easier to see his mistakes as compared to Iupati. He was considered extremely raw coming out of college and it’s shown at times. But performances like the Packers game make it easy to get excited.

by David Fucillo on Dec 7, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

They both have massively improved

But both are still inconsistent. If the right line comes to the game Alex will have days in the pocket.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Dec 7, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Who else on your team sucks besides Alex Smith?

I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".

by SSreporters on Dec 7, 2010 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

The more apropriate question would be

Who doesn’t suck? The answer would be Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis and a healthy Frank Gore. Followed by group of average talent and underachieving talent being held back by very poor coaching. Just my opinion FWIW

49ers and TOOL live, my personal Heaven!!!

by ninerchip on Dec 7, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope this answers your question

Which is why we get beat through the air. Basically those two positions are horrible and hurt the entire team. The front 7 is really good mostly because of Justin Smith, Spikes, and Willis. Franklin I heard was going to be out which is good for the Niners because I believe that RJF is a lot better than Franklin.
In the secondary both of our corners suck and Goldson is playing horribly. Smith a 7th round draft pick has been playing pretty decent. He has some issues but I see him as a starter. Mays is now on the bench which sucks because I really liked that guy.
Now onto the offense
Basically everyone is suited for their position other than Chilo. If you want to sack Alex just rush at Chilo and you should get a clean shot. The rest of the line has been inconsistent since two of our 5 starters are out and 2 of them are rookies. Davis and Iupati have been playing really well recently and Davis just went 1 on 1 against Mathews and won. (0 sacks) I am really really excited about this line in the future and the rest of the offense should be crazy good provided they have a QB that can throw them the ball.
 People want to replace Morgan but I don’t see why as he is playing decently for a #2 WR. Crabtree has been playing better and has been making crazy catches every game. VD and Walker are still beasts. Westbrook and Dixon are ok but the offense is just to predictable for them to get decent runs. If I could change anything about the offense except for the QB it would be to let Williams into the game as a speedy guy since that is a big thing that we are missing.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Dec 7, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

RJF better?

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

by mikeinsp on Dec 8, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya I like him better

and he showed a lot of potential when he went against the #1s during preseason.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Dec 8, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Dashon Goldson

That was easy, next question.

Get Well Frank!

by Amigo on Dec 7, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

...

Said the same thing in less words. Ok not the same thing but basically the same thing. I hate my life.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Dec 7, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW guys we should rec this so it gets promoted

Just need 3 more people.

I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".

by SSreporters on Dec 7, 2010 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

The hype

shows up in our blog from time to time. The coaches do not believe he can hang.

49ers and TOOL live, my personal Heaven!!!

by ninerchip on Dec 7, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate Davis? Uhh, no.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

by mikeinsp on Dec 7, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

QB prospects

ew. In the draft and on the team I don’t want any of them. I would like Moore but he is coming out in 2012.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Dec 7, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Started stronger

than expected. Crashed back down to earth after being burned several times deep.

49ers and TOOL live, my personal Heaven!!!

by ninerchip on Dec 7, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

That said

I like him a lot and think he has a bright future with the niners. I don’t know if other fans feel the way I do.

49ers and TOOL live, my personal Heaven!!!

by ninerchip on Dec 7, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree about the bright future

but he had no business thinking Carroll was going to prefer him to Earl Thomas.

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

i believe the problem he had with carroll

Was that carroll told him that he didn’t need to work on anything to get drafted early

by Andrew9erfan on Dec 9, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably should have critisized him more

Told him he was the 5 best safety in the draft. That would have made things better . . .

by Spin Forever on Dec 9, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

well, when he asks what he needs to work on

yeah, it sounds like he was looking for criticism so he could improve

by Andrew9erfan on Dec 9, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Taylor Mays is a college graduate and can think for himself.

Can’t believe he thought getting drafted was the end of the rainbow and not knowing he would be more attractive with coverage experience. I’m sure what Carroll told him was to install confidence – he might have misinterpreted that to a degree but he also had alum Ronnie Lott in his ear. I’m sure Mays knew he needed the full package to make it in the NFL as a safety. Earl Thomas was obviously a surer thing.

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 10, 2010 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Benched now

I’m dissapointed. He needs some work on his coverage and I can see him get better with a little bit more training. He did a lot better than expected but since the rest of the secondary sucked so much he had to do more than I would have hoped for. But he is now on the bench and Smith is starting. Thankfully Goldson will be gone next year and the two starting safeties should be Mays and Smith.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Dec 7, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

How much has the SF Giants Championship helped stem off the disappointment in the Niners?

When the Hawks totally fell off the map unexpectedly in ’08 the Mariners were just finishing off a 101 loss season… and the Sonics were bailing to Oklahoma… and the Huskies went 0-12…

God damn it. Fuck 2008 so hard.

Earl Thomas = God-send

by Modrik Zutar on Dec 7, 2010 7:00 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

It was Ok

actually it was awesome. I love being able to see a home town team win a ring. But now that I know what it feels like to see your team win I want it more than ever.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Dec 7, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Hasn't helped the disappointment

since I hate the Giants with a passion.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

by mikeinsp on Dec 9, 2010 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Would you rather win the division at 8-8,

and get to the playoffs, or go 4-12 and get a top 5 pick?

by grinch11 on Dec 7, 2010 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

playoffs

I want to go to the playoffs. If you guys eliminate us, I’ll take 4-12. Maybe it’s not best for the long term, but playoffs are playoffs and it’s been a long drought.

by David Fucillo on Dec 7, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to see the 49ers become another Detroit

I don’t believe in losing for better draft position. Detroit and other cellar dwellers get top picks year after year and have trouble winning. Winning is ingrained in the culture. Play to win every game, playoffs or no playoffs.

by FanBelge on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The team has underachieved from a lack of good strategy and execution.

Just adding better talent will yield the same result unless they learn how to win.

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 8, 2010 6:57 AM PST up reply actions  

What did you folks think of Jason Hill?

I was rooting for him to succeed (WSU alum, hometown connection) and he had a pretty decent year in 2008 (TD vs. the Hawks in week 8) and then… just fell off the face of the Earth. Is he a pro talent, or was that a squandered draft pick?

by cockle on Dec 7, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

His biggest contribution was as a gunner on ST. He always seemed to make a play everytime he got an opportunity on offense. Apparently that’s not enough for Singletary. It was weird to see him not make the active roster after preseason. I’m glad Jacksonville is finding some use for him as are many teams with our discarded players. Sigh.

Get Well Frank!

by Amigo on Dec 7, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Just how warm is Singletary's seat at this point?

FG's second favorite football-illiterate semi-troll.

by Hmph on Dec 8, 2010 4:56 AM PST reply actions  

Toasty...with little chance of cooling down

Many think that he’d be gone already if there was a viable replacement on the staff. My guess is that he’s gone the day after the final game, and that the front office is doing their research on potential candidates.

by FanBelge on Dec 8, 2010 5:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Jed York is maintaining good business strategy by waiting until the end of the season to decide on coaching changes.

There is no quick fix available because head coach is not the only reason we’re losing. I believe Singletary when he says that losing his job doesn’t enter into his thought process. After a season and a half of results, it will be obvious if his skillset and management style are suitable for the position.

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 8, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Does Delanie Walker play this week?

I know he’s fairly important to what you guys do on offense.

by Kingdomer on Dec 8, 2010 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure about how his role would be.

He had 3 looks and caught 2 of them last week. With Gore out, Alex will need extra help with protection so Delanie and Vernon will be blocking more than usual. However don’t be surprised if Delanie gets some serious action in his direction. I love his YAC and he always makes the most out of it when his number is called.
In my opinion, Delanie has some of the best hands on this team and has been consistent through each season.

Get Well Frank!

by Amigo on Dec 8, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

Should have answered about the injury. No updates on that so far. The fact that he came back to play in the game after he injured his ankle is a good sign. The 2 catches were after the injury.

Get Well Frank!

by Amigo on Dec 8, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Yeah, I didn’t even mean as a pass catcher necessarily, though I’ve always had a grudging respect for him coming out of the backfield. Not the greatest acceleration in the world, but a big dude, and pretty good top end speed for someone his size.

by Kingdomer on Dec 8, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Walker coming back in.

Frank Gore came back in the game in Arizona.

Joe Staley came back into the Ram game.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

by mikeinsp on Dec 8, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Off topic

Is it possible to let the whole “use the subject line” thing go when it comes to these ask-another-team posts? These are people who are posting once or twice for our sake, seems rude to then nitpick them on it. At least it comes across like that to me, just my two cents.

by NinjaHawk on Dec 8, 2010 10:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'd be willing.

Not sure how much it means to the mods and such.

This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.

by Cheddar28 on Dec 8, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree -- not really very hospitable of us

Some of it is in the delivery, but we haven’t had huge need for moderation on the posts anyway, from what I’ve seen.

by IslandHawk on Dec 8, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather have

The homeless man near the Jack in the Box that has 15 cats.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

by mikeinsp on Dec 8, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Jake Locker!

Sadly, I think he may wind up in SF…

This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.

by Cheddar28 on Dec 9, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

If you guys have a top 8 pick,

What are the chances you don’t draft a QB?

by LantermanC on Dec 9, 2010 5:15 PM PST reply actions  

A high chance

especially if Peterson or Amukamara are on the board I don’t expect them to pick a QB.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Dec 10, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

In The Vice Guide to North Korea*

Host Shane Smith refers to NK leader, Kim Jung Il only by his name and is reprimanded by his NK handler, who tells him that Kim Jung Il should always be referred to by his title (Ex: “Supreme Leader Kim Jung Il”).

When you mention Shaun Hill, I imagine a hypothetical Niners fan demanding you refer to him as 7-3 Shaun Hill.

*http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-2-of-3
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-3-of-3

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 9, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I just learned about this same event

(though not that particular anecdote) in class 40 minutes ago. Crazy.

This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.

by Cheddar28 on Dec 10, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

overpaid and declining? yes

hated by the entire fan base? no. I wouldn’t even say smith is hated by the entire fan base. A lot of us don’t hate him, but still want to get someone better.

by Andrew9erfan on Dec 11, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

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