Seattle Seahawks non-Bradford, non-Clausen Quarterback of the Future
by John Morgan on Feb 22, 2010 7:36 PM PST
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PrintIf Seattle opts out or is shut out of the top two quarterbacks, it will still likely draft a quarterback. It would not surprise me at all for Pete Carroll to be the latest coach seduced by Matt Hasselbeck. Be that as it may, Hasselbeck is under contract for one more season and the Seahawks lack depth. Wallace is unlikely to survive his third head coach in three years, much less his third offensive playbook. Teel could stick: Young, good arm, cheap, why not? So, Seattle's quarterbacks, in total, are Seneca Wallace, Hasselbeck and Mike Teel. Even profound confidence in Hasselbeck would not justify missing an opportunity to add another gun.
I haven't had a chance to scrutinize that many potential quarterbacks, so I'm looking for guidance to narrow my focus. Unfortunately, the poll will likely correlate with the most well-known quarterbacks instead of the best, but hey! Poll!!
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As for Kafka
Kafka scrambles slow, his passes float, and for him to throw a " bullet" pass it takes everything he has and it still looks slow. There a reason he threw 16 td and 12 int against mediocre defenses.
I will say though.
Kafka is probably the best decision maker in the draft. he gets the ball out of his hands very quickly.
He played in an offense that ran an abnormally high proportion of slants and screens.
His quickness is by design and he got himself into trouble when design broke down and he was forced to read the defense .
Don't want Kafka. I hear the guy has tuberculosis and is always depressed.
by Groundhog on Feb 23, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I had Kafka on my CFF Team this year so I watched more than my fair share
And I agree with you. He’s got a quick enough release, and his fundamentals aren’t horrible. But I just don’t think he has an NFL arm.
Totally agree
Mora’s stupid for “not giving up”. Clearly it’s one thing to not give up and another to realize a hopeless venture, risking injury. Look at the Rams. They gave Null a shot when they knew they had nothing to play for. They now realize Null is NOT the answer at QB. We don’t know if Teel is another diamond in the rough. He’s probably not, but we don’t know until we experiment.
Who are the 5 people that actually voted Snead?
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
Now 9.
Who are you people? NFC West rivals?
The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.
Lol not me, definetly not me.
At the college level its all about talent. If a QB played for a big school and didnt produce what makes you think they excel at the next level. Ask yourselves that. Because last time i checked the QB touches the ball every offensive play. If that team isn’t a winner, I dont think the QB in question will excel at the next level.
Jason White won a Heisman and took Oklahoma to the title game as a junior and nearly won another Heisman.
Matt Ryan played for a middling BC team. The talent around you matters. The scheme matters. The competition matters. Being “a winner” is about circumstances and it’s irresponsible to draft a player for their college record.
by abender20 on Feb 22, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rankings are not an accurate representation of anything.
Look at the teams they played prior to their first loss in 2007.
Right you make my point.
Matt BC team was average but it was at one time ranked #2. Excactly my point. and a very talented college QB will win at the college level. Thats my whole point.
Right you make my point.
Matt Ryan was the reason that the BC was even ranked #2. AND please stop deleteing my posts. In no way are my posts offensive to anyone.
Jason White isn't the best comparison
He couldn’t play at the next level because he had reconstructive knee surgeries on both his knees and suffered consecutive ACL tears.
by aerozeppelin on Feb 22, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Nine of the players. part of the 2003 sooners roster, were drafted in in the following next two years, 2004,2005.
Because in my opinion talent is the main ingredient of college sports.
As for the 2001 Miami Hurricanes.
He had Najeh Davenport, Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey, Andre Johnson, Jonathon Vilma, Ed Reed, and Phillip Buchanon. In my opinion thats a great supporting cast. Im not trying to be rude. Im only stating that talent wins in college.
You stated that you wanted to draft "a winner".
I’m saying that “a winner” is mostly the benefit of circumstances and doesn’t mean much substantial about the player themselves.
They were collegiate winners (you've been arguing in favor of drafting a "proven winner") that were not actually NFL caliber QBs.
Winning in college is about the talent of the team. It’s independent of the talent of the quarterback.
No the bears going to the super bowl was about their defense and special teams.
And the same in 2000 with the ravens.
Your still missing the point.
Peyton Manning and Tennessee, Tom Brady and Michigan, and Drew Brees and Purdue, that was talent, when were these QB surrounded by talent. Thats the point Im making. You named Ken Dorsey and Nate Hybl who were surrounded by talent, not me.
I think you might have misread him
If I’m reading it right he’s saying that quarterbacks with bad records in college don’t go on to have good records in the NFL. He’s not saying that all big winners in college succeed in the NFL but that quarterbacks who don’t win games definitely won’t do well in the pros.
I can’t think of any examples that say otherwise, quarterbacks with bad college records that had NFL success. Orton maybe, his Purdue teams didn’t win a ton.
No way on McCoy.
Id much prefer LeFevour, his passing ability, his running game, not to mention his winning attitude. McCoy will be like a Pennington.
McCoy got hurt on the big stage, but he's tough
but really he has taken a lot of hits and has been pretty tough through out his career. The only other time he missed a game was his Freshman year. I think it is the pouty eyes that gives the impression.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Feb 23, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Can't say for sure
But his numbers dropped significantly when big bad boy Dez wasnt around, but Zac can also scramble.
John Skelton would be my project of choice.
He’s got a cannon, good size, not an elongated release and a solid release point. His accuracy needs improvement, but I wonder how much of that has to do with playing at Fordham.
I dont know who you are Patton.
But Iam extremely impressed with John Skelton.
Most of my posts have to do with NFL Draft or x's and o's
Those are my specialties. I’m actually going to the draft this year. Pretty excited. I’ve already started compiling my notebook of scouting reports (that I try to do on my own before reading many others).
I like LeFevour but I don't love him.
He needs to tweak his throwing motion a bit (however, people make this a bigger deal then what it really is. Almost every NFL prospect has to do so. Compare Peyton Manning at UT and Now, they barely look like the same QB and no one talked about his flawed throwing motion at the time.
Now, when I evaluate QB’s I look at There drop, setup in the pocket, release, throw on the move, pocket awareness, arm strength, poise, and decision making. Dan LeFevour measures out as a late third to me, he’s a good athlete, and moves around well in the pocket. He just lacks arm strength, and he seemed to get REALLY frustrated at times. I view this is a big red flag.
As someone who doesn’t get to actually interview or listen to interviews, I have to go off of game type or highlight clips. That is problematic as well as you can learn a lot about a QB watching how they take coaching and how they handle adversity.
I went to the UW vs ND game this year and thought Jimmy Clausen’s body language was poor throughout the whole thing, but that’s really my only knock on him.
Dan LeFevour has some very solid tools. However, I definitely need to watch more on him to solidify an opinion.
Max Hall I haven’t begun to scout yet.
I hope you do Patton.
I really think Hall will be a good QB in the NFL. He reminds me of Drew Brees, short for a QB, but being short is his drive. He put great numbers.
I still have the game of him against UW
from 2 years ago. I’ll definitely getting around to watching him. I plan on releasing my scouting reports a few weeks before the draft as I get my notebook all organized.
Yeah, stick it up as a Fanpost when you can.
I’m sure a lot of us would like another informed assessment.
by thebyron on Feb 23, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey! I went to the draft last year and plan on going this year as well!
by nickfru1 on Feb 23, 2010 5:01 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sweet! Me and 3 buddies are renting a 1br apartment for the draft.
I’m bringing my Neon Green Housh Jersey (gotta stand out on day 1), my Cortez, and then probably my Mack Strong for day 3.
I’ll also bring my colts Marshall Faulk and see if I can get him to sign it.
I just looked him up.
Im going to look at some film of his, his numbers are amazing. His numbers remind of a man playing amongst girls.
People will say Flacco due to small school.
But Big Ben is a better comparison. He’s mobile in the pocket, steps up, feels pressure. At the East-West game he apparently ran the 2 minute drill really well, and was a great student of the game. However, I would say he reminds me of Tom Brandstater with more zip and better awareness. Is that enough? Who knows, but as a project QB, I really like him.
You are right Patton.
What a gem he will be and at a low round cost. I just hope no else has heard about him.
I'd like to see
a LeFevor scouting report. Seems to have the tools, but does he have the attitude/awareness to play in the NFL?
I promise you LeFevour has the attitude.
And he has excellent field vision.
what about doing a spot on Teel and his work from last preseason.
If not focus on a guy with “tools”
by nickfru1 on Feb 22, 2010 9:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Better yet
Since he is starting fresh with new coaches, look at Teel from his Senior season and compare where he would land in this draft.
I voted for McCoy, but the more I think about it the more I'm interested in a breakdown of Canfield.
While athleticism is enticing, the successful NFL quarterbacks aren’t winning because of their ability to shake linebackers. Canfield played in a pro-style offense with uninspiring talent around him.
Canfield reminds me of Derek Anderson.
And im not impressed with Derek Anderson.
I know that abender20 , I know that.
But i dont see the elite arm strength in either of them.
Derek Anderson looked much better on tape.
I’d actually say Canfield reminds me of Brady Quinn, however Quinn has better fundamentals.
I am most curious about Canfield.
I hope John ignores the polls and says, “Ah, fuck it, let’s do one on Canfield”
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
No thanks.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 23, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, that's a lot of votes!
Traffic coming out of the woodwork, it seems. Anyway, out of those choices, I like Pike.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
I got a close look at Zac Robinson at the Insight Bowl a couple years ago
Nice kid with his head on straight. Seems to fit the mold of a pro QB, but what do I know.
That Zac Robinson is a nice kid with his head on straight, and possibly fits the mold of a pro QB.
TouchMyIchiro
I also like Zac Robinson.
In my opinion, he has a beautiful arm, and nice pocket poise.
I don't get to see much college football
so I have no idea. So whatever John says, I’ll take that side. haha
TouchMyIchiro
Pike narrowly over Canfield for me.
It’s really hard to break down Tebow since the way he plays in the NFL won’t be anything like the way he plays in college, so it’s tough to project him.
That said, I wouldn’t mind looks at him or Snead.
Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.
I voted Jarrett Brown.
He’s the one I know or hear the least about.
Ideally, I’d like to learn more about the 3rd and 4th best QBs – whoever they may be, to be prepared in the event that one of the top-2 are not drafted by Seattle or available for us to pick.
Brown is interesting
in that he went to WVU to play in the Rich Rod spread and shred, got stuck behind Pat White for 4 years or whatever, then had to play in Bill Stewart’s system which was not what he signed on for. I think he’s an enigma at this point, and definitely a multi year project.
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I agree with you Bluemax.
In my opinion, Jarrett Brown reminds me of a Vince Young type player. Brown isn’t afraid to run the ball.
McCoy, not because he's the bigger name
But because I want to know how he stacks up as an NFL Prospect. Is he worth a damn? Can he make more than the easy throws? any potential to bulk up to a pro-body?
McCoy because he would be the best fit
The consensus on all of these guys is that they are not going to come in and immediately start. We could get McCoy in the late 2nd – and still have a our 6, 14, 40. McCoy would accept that he wasn’t going to start and would work just as hard as if he were. He has a Drew Brees like work ethic and has shown he can play like crap for 3 quarters and then put together a strong drive. I think he will also bulk up, he’s skinny because he’s 22.
Also not winning the BCS or a Heisman was the best thing to happen to McCoy, he seems to have something to prove.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
I choose Crompton. Call me crazy, but I'd really like to see
Crompton given a chance. If Kiffin can get growth out of him, why not Bates? Crompton could be Kyle Boller, or he could be great. Then again, same could be true of most in the list.
I’m off my rocker, but this would be the dream QB draft for me:
- Snead or Brown in the 4th ish round
- Crompton in the 5th ish round.
- Nichols in the 7th
Lots of competition. We’ve been told that competition is what this regime is about. Well, might as well find a QB with those late round picks.
It is what it is...
We can also see Straight outta Crompton on the big screen
I don’t care if he’s good or not but I’d love to see it.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Feb 24, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
And if you were going to spend a #40 on a QB I'd go Tebow
I’m surprised at how much my attitude is changing regarding Tebow.
Have I been Tebowed? Is there a cure?
It is what it is...
I'll do McCoy and LeFevour and try and fit in Canfield and Zac Robinson too.
If Seattle lands any of the other players, I’ll do a full report on them too.
Zac Robinson
If we’re not waiting for Locker, Robinson is the obvious choice. I’m surprised McCoy was the top choice.. hyyyyyype….
Grow a pair, Romar.
by UofWashRoadWarriors on Feb 24, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions
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