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NFL Combine Open Thread

I am unable to dedicate much time tracking the NFL Scouting Combine this year, so if some of you draftniks would like to post comments, opinions and links, that would be appreciated. Offensive linemen, kickers, punters, long snappers and tight ends report today. Quarterbacks, running backs and wide receivers report tomorrow; defensive linemen and linebackers on Saturday and defensive backs on Sunday.

Mocking Dan has a list of the NFL Network's coverage. The Combine won't be televised until Saturday morning, but NFL.com posts updates throughout the day.

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What's the over/under on how many times we're going to see the title

“A Show of Hands”?

Also, I just read this from (gasp) Pat Kirwan.

2. My explosion quotient
I do like to take a few of the measurables and combine the results to get an idea of an athlete’s explosiveness. A football game is really a series of 65 explosions for players on both sides of the line of scrimmage, especially up front where players make violent contact on every play. Take a look at the results of the vertical jump, the standing broad jump and the bench press. Add the three results together and see if the player you like breaks the number 70. For example a 36-inch vertical, an 11-foot long jump and 30 reps on the bench equals a 77 score. That guy is explosive.

I call bullshit on it directly translating to explosiveness off the snap, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

I did something like this in a series three years ago

I would say it’s better, but I wouldn’t say it’s very good.

And another look, after tweaking the method.

Nothing really revolutionary, just combining acceleration with weight to determine the amount force an offensive lineman produces off the snap.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

It may be the latent Physicist in me

But I think Newtonian manipulation are interesting. Even when they are as ridiculous as Pat Kirwan’s.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Bradnon Frye was a favorite of mine back then.
Brandon Frye

Body
Height: 6’4.1"
Weight: 302
Frame: +
Arm Length: 32 5/8"

Strength
Burst: 369.95
Thrust: 2,240.89
225: 34

Agility
Shuttle: 4.40
3 Cone: 7.50
Top Speed: 9.30

Technique
Quick off the Snap: +
Hip/Knee Bend: +
2nd Level: +
Hand Punch: 0
Footwork: 0

Character
Effort: +
Personality: ++

The biggest problem with Frye is lack of experience, as he only started 11 games. He looks a little light for a guard position, but could make a very capable right tackle. The “0” in this instance are of the “incomplete” variety. I expect Frye to need a little seasoning on the practice squad, but he could be an impact player in a couple years—this is a good value pick for the Texans that might take a couple of years to pan out. Believe it or not, with a scary talented defensive line and with a steadily improving offense, Houston could be a contender in a few years.

Maybe I’ll have some time to revisit this idea in May or June.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

How empirical.

What an arbitrary piece of shit.

by THolt on Feb 27, 2010 4:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

How dumb is Tebow for not throwing at the Combine?

For most QBs, it seems to not matter; teams accept that they want to throw to people whose style they are intimate with. But when there is a player like Tebow with these huge questions about his ability to throw, isn’t he hurting himself by not throwing at the combine?

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

I don't think it's that stupid.

He’s still working on correcting his technique, and if it’s not “fixed” yet then he should refine it further before showing. He knows there’ll be enough interest that everyone will be paying attention when he unveils it at his pro day.

by thebyron on Feb 25, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah when does through ESPN will be there

It will give time to work on it so he is so good at throwing that Mel Kiper’s eyebrows will raise so much that Mel Kiper’s hair piece will fall off.

Plus if he does it on Florida’s Pro Day most NFL scouts will be there anyway because of all the talent up for grabs there. If anything it kind of helps out his teammates like Spikes and that DE and CB who will also go in the first round. I suppose we can talk about how great he is for doing that too.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I kind of thing he is.

Throwing at the combine might give him a chance to show that he’s got a pretty good arm outside of his delivery without having to worry about getting strip sacked every other play. But if he’s really trying to change his release and he’s stuck in some kind of transition state then he’s probably better off skipping it.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 25, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Another Old School Field Gulls player: Michael Bush

The people that run the NFL and cover the NFL are threatening to send me screaming from the league.

According to a recent report from Jerry McDonald of the Bay Area News Group, running back Michael Bush has been taking himself out of the game:

Privately, Bush’s propensity to remove himself when he’s on a roll, halting momentum, rubs the coaching staff the wrong way.

That definitely surprised me. I know a lot of us have been angry at head coach Tom Cable for pulling Bush; however, it doesn’t seem like that’s the case here.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

I read that the other day. Weird.

It’s a shame he’s stuck in Oakland. I think he could do big things if given a starting job.

by Misfit74 on Feb 25, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

It could be Cable throwing others under the bus

He can’t hit Bush so instead he call him out like that.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

How did Steve Smith last until the third round? Check out these measurables (courtesy Wikipedia)

Wt: 184 lb*
40y: 4.00s*
20ss: 4.25s*
3-cone: 6.44s*
Vert: 48.5 in*
BP: 19
Wonderlic: 28*3

(* represents NFL Combine)

I’m not sure what I find more funny, the incredible exaggeration of his speed, agility and jumping ability, or the modesty shown in his bench press and Wonderlic.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

He runs 10yd/sec?

But only scored a 28? What a dumb ass!

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 11:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Charles Brown started out as a tight end

Hello to our new two-TE system….

The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.

by SSreporters on Feb 25, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

So did Weaver.

3 TE hoh! I hate even saying his name. The only thing that makes me really dislike Ruskell is losing Weaver. I (maybe foolishly) blame him completely for it.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 12:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm kinda hoping the Eagles crap the bed and not re-sign him.

The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.

by SSreporters on Feb 25, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but he'll be a restricted free agent

Since he only accrued 5 years (not the required 6). Too bad for him, he probably could have signed a nice free agent deal this off season if he didn’t get caught in the CBA trap.

by bdf128 on Feb 25, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Can we bring him back?

I really liked him and I not sold on the big white guy.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

He got hungry

Did anyone see a picture ochoa weigh in? Did he wear it well? So to speak.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 1:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Mobile got me

“of the weigh in”.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 1:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not so bad, really. I was worried he would be lighter.

The rest:

Charles Brown

    *
      Height:
      6’5"
    *
      Weight:
      303 lbs.
    *
      Arm Length:
      35 1/4 in.
    *
      Hand Size:
      11 3/8 in.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I was hoping he would be lighter.

Smaller he is the more likely he’ll drop, right?

by Nate Dogg on Feb 25, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a pipe dream

I’ll be happy if he’s there at 14.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

A few more
Jared Veldheer
      Height:
      6’8"
      Weight:
      312 lbs.
      Arm Length:
      33 in.
      Hand Size:
      10 in.

Rodger Saffold
      Height:
      6’4"
      Weight:
      316 lbs.
      Arm Length:
      33 5/8 in.
      Hand Size:
      9 3/8 in.

Future Redskin: Russell Okung
      Height:
      6’5"
      Weight:
      307 lbs.
      Arm Length:
      36 in.
      Hand Size:
      10 1/2 in.

Mike Iupati
      Height:
      6’5"
      Weight:
      331 lbs.
      Arm Length:
      34 3/4 in.
      Hand Size:
      10 5/8 in.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

For as much as I've been talking poorly about Okung.

I’ve slowly started to come around to him. I still see way too much William Beatty for my liking.

Charles Brown made himself some money by coming in at 303, I kept hearing people thought 290ish.

Also, Bulaga’s arms are really short for his frame. If he doesn’t put up 33+ on the bench he’s really going to fall. I still say he’s best fit for RT. As long as the Seahawks avoid any of (Okung, Bulaga, Williams, Davis, Campbell) I’ll be happy. For an OL class as heralded as this one I really don’t think they fit the Seahawks.

by Patton on Feb 25, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Capers:

      Height:
      6’4"
      Weight:
      308 lbs.
      Arm Length:
      34 in.
      Hand Size:
      10 in.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

Is that a Gibbs prototype or what? Lighter, long arms, tall, athletic…

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 1:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Gibbs interviewed Brown on Wednesday

Link

Brown said he was interviewed by Gibbs on Wednesday here in Indianapolis.

“He said I’d fit in well,” Brown said, “I’d fit in real good.”

by bdf128 on Feb 25, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Those are so enormous hands.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 25, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If Spiller kills the Combine

I don’t think we’ll get him. Go higher than 14, lower than 6. Bummer.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 1:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I think if Spiller and Brown are both there at 14, we take Brown over Spiller.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 25, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably

If Clausen, Berry, McCoy, and Suh are gone at 6, I sort of hope we trade back. RBs will be an important day for me.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 1:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, except the Berry part. If he's available, and some team is infatuated with him,

I do what I can to make a deal and get as much possible in return.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 25, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

As much as I like Spiller

I really want to see Ryan Matthew’s measurables before I comment on if I’d be happy or not, but I have a sneaking suspicion he’ll end up a Patriot.

by Patton on Feb 25, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, so how sweet is

Ed Wang’s hair?

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 25, 2010 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

And his asianality.

Sign him so we can be members of the select group of teams with Asian players. Or " playas" in Wang’s case.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 1:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Trade for Patrick Chung too so they can play that crappy song at Qwest.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 25, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Wang is Chinese

And Chung is a fucker.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 1:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Spoken like a Husky!

GO DUCKS!

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If those new mechanics become natural, hell yeah.

Kind of like a golfer who shortens his swing and actually gains distance.

by Big E-Z on Feb 25, 2010 7:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm in that boat

Some people are difficult to not like, especially when they try to better themselves like shit heads.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 25, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't seem like a decent human being when he's on the football field

He taunts, swears, and acts just as insufferably annoying as Jimmy Clausen. If anything he might be more annoying than Clausen for his two faced nature.

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by bluemax on Feb 26, 2010 1:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's because I haven't seen Florida play enough

But I never saw that. I didn’t/don’t like him because he was touted as the epitome of what a QB should be, when he wasn’t really a very good QB. Now that it’s chic to hate Tebow (rather than the opposite) I think I might start liking him.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 26, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

He's done that a few times

mostly after being repeatedly taunted himself or getting knocked around late.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

by Wayward Llama on Feb 27, 2010 4:27 AM PST up reply actions  

That's heat of the moment stuff

He’s competitive, I think there is a difference.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

But see that's the thing

because of his off the field persona he gets the Brett Favre “he’s just a competitor” treatment, while a guy like Clausen is labeled a dick.

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by bluemax on Feb 26, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Clausen is either

I have never seen any interviews with him so I don’t know if he is or not. I think part of that is that he went to N.D. and people are just assume they all are.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not the biggest Tebow fan

but I’m pretty sure he has the right to react to the other team’s taunting like any other player. Tebow takes a lot of crap from other teams. About the swearing, not sure about that…did you just make that up or is there actual evidence of it?

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

by Wayward Llama on Feb 27, 2010 4:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't have any immediate links

but I recall seeing some things from his lips that you wouldn’t say in church during games.

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by bluemax on Feb 28, 2010 3:12 AM PST up reply actions  

That's exactly what I thought. He gives one hell of an interview.

Hard to imagine him not becoming a senator in Florida if that’s what he decided to be in 10-25 years.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 26, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

He's a smart guy

He will work hard and I don’ think he likes to not be good at something.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

He will train 16 hours a day

I think he has a drive that is like Peyton Manning’s to be a great QB. I don’t know if he will make it but he will be a good QB.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I was one of the few that voted in that poll

for you to check out Tebow. Mostly because I’m curious if over the course of the last two years, he’s shown any ability to adapt or progress in his ability to be a QB. Obviously the natural talents are all there. And if he is handled correctly and given time to work on his QB game at a NFL level, he might become a very good QB. Might. But damn there’s a lot of potential for bust there.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Feb 26, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't vote Tebow because any game tape JM analyzes won't be useless,

but it’ll be vastly different because he’s working out of the gun, and he’ll have that big winding throwing motion.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 26, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

It was really awkward when Casserly basically responded after Mora’s ‘drafting for need scenario’ by flatly saying the main reason teams draft poorly is drafting too much for need (paraphrase). Mora surely was red off-camera.

by Misfit74 on Feb 25, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

That bench press stuff was funny though.

It just proves that Jim Mora has his faults for sure, but lack of charisma is not one of them.

by Big E-Z on Feb 25, 2010 8:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

and he looks like Mark Wahlberg

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a total broseph.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2010 4:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of the draft....

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2011177632_hawk25.html

I like Danny, but I kinda disagree with that being the reason Seattle is “paying the price”.

The Seattle Times linked to my website in June 2009. I wasn't aware of this until January 2010.

by SSreporters on Feb 25, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

It's easy traffic.

How quickly we forget that Seattle had its best three year run in franchise history under Ruskell, that four of the team’s seven all-time playoff wins were under Ruskell, that the offense Holmgren made was almost already broken by 2006, not because of losing Hutch, but because of losing Tobeck, Jackson, Stevens, Alexander, Jones and Strong, and yet the team won, because of Ruskell draft picks (Tatupu, Hill, Mebane, Wilson, Carlson, Sims, Tapp) and free agent signings (Peterson, Kerney, Grant).

I just get sick of it. Not the hate, but the ignorance, and not just the ignorance, but the people profiting off that ignorance, feeding its flame because supposed fans can’t stomach two losing seasons.

by John Morgan on Feb 25, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm going to try and say this without coming across as a know-it-all prick...ll

But if seahawk beat writer is O’neils job title, then it is safe to assume he works a 40 hour week, right? If that is the case then his lack of insight and knowledge of the game is disappointing. If it was just his hobby I would be more understanding. Maybe he also runs the print press and writes on his coffee breaks but it seems to be his full time gig, sending him to the senior bowl and combine with no idea what he is looking for.

by Big E-Z on Feb 25, 2010 9:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, that's pretty dick.

Dude’s a HOF lock and the only consistently good thing about the M’s over the past decade, yet O’Neil sounds like he’s wondering “What good are singles?”

by thebyron on Feb 26, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

he's a solid - great hitter but he's kinda boring to watch

I think that’s point.

As an side note the M’s did a terrible job of building around him. Ichiro will get on base and then not have anyone to bring him home.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Ichiro is not boring

and the Mariners are perhaps the best constructed team in baseball.

by John Morgan on Feb 26, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Ichiro is one of the most gifted hitters of our generation. He's an absolute freak and is awesome to watch.

He does things that no other hitter is capable of and he’s hilariously quirky to boot. If you find Ichiro boring then you should probably not be offering up opinions on baseball.

by abender20 on Feb 26, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa - sorry didn't mean to offend

Yeah I thought this was the Sounders board – my bad…

Nah I get it I’m not a baseball fan, Ichiro is boring because to me baseball is boring. Sorry won’t mention that sport here again.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

No need to apologize for an opinion.

Some people don’t think Coldstone tastes good, are they wrong? No. It’s their opinion.
If you had gone to LL and said ‘I hate baseball, it is boring’, that would be wrong.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 27, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

You're cool, man.

I’m sure there are a few people here who don’t like baseball. (like me)

College softball is ok though. =)

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2010 4:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Ichiro is boring?

Ichiro, the hitter that can turn a pitch spiked into the dirt into a single?

by BrianL on Feb 26, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Seattle will pay the price for Ruskell avoiding the acquisition of a new quarterback.

Seattle will pay the price for the acquisition of Colin Cole and Deon Butler. Yes, Ruskell refused to draft unpolished players with more upside and that would have been a good thing to do in the last two years, but he also made some very deft picks along the way. There’s a reason I took my shots at O’Neil back in the salad days.

by abender20 on Feb 26, 2010 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Quarterback Measurables

Sam Bradford: 6-foot-4 1/4, 236 pounds, 34 3/8-inch arm length, 9 1/2-inch hand span
Jimmy Clausen: 6-foot-2 5/8, 222 pounds, 30 3/4-inch arm length, 9-inch hand span
Colt McCoy: 6-foot-1 1/8, 216 pounds, 31-inch arm length, 9 3/8-inch hand span
Tim Tebow: 6-foot-2 3/4, 236 pounds, 31 3/4-inch arm length, 10 1/8-inch hand span

by aerozeppelin on Feb 26, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

I thought Tebow's mitts looked giant

People who spread rumors about Clausen being 6’1" should be embarrassed.

by John Morgan on Feb 26, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Cleared that sucker by over half an inch.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 26, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Bradford just went up in my opinion

He looks really skinny but if he ways 236 and can still throw. With that arm length maybe he is worth the no.6 pick.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

He's absolutely worth the #6 pick.

The question is: will he be available or not at #6.

by Misfit74 on Feb 26, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Weird...

I just measured mine at 9 1/2 inches and I’m 5 foot 9 1/2 inches tall.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Feb 26, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, nice Ruskell jab there
Perhaps that’s why he [Mike Iupati] seemed decidedly unsure in the game itself, flubbing protections and picking up penalties like a Tim Ruskell draft pick.

by aerozeppelin on Feb 26, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Me neither, the penalties is a reference to Curry perhaps?

Don’t know about the flubbing protections part.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 26, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

You MUST find a way to work it into a Spencer reference...

as if you didn’t know John.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Feb 26, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

You think that can be enlarged so i can put it as my wallpaper??

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Feb 26, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

This ward is even crazier than its residence

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Feb 26, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

A quote from Kevin Colbert (Steelers personnel director)

This draft, there are more defensive linemen than any draft I can remember in really 26 years I’ve been doing this. It’s not only depth but the quality of that depth as well."

Interesting to me from two standpoints: 1. Knowing this a team at the top of the draft could justify passing on a top-rated DT for a more important position, be it QB or OL, etc. understanding the availability of good DLs at later picks. 2. We stand to improve our defensive line somewhere and the quality could well be better than expected. John mentioned this early on, as far as the depth of the class likely to push some good prospects down enough to grab at #40.

by Misfit74 on Feb 26, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

deep draft

I have heard on several occasions how historically deep this draft is. Lots of Juniors last year remaining in school, lots this year coming out.

If the top of the draft goes something like: Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Berry, Okung, leaving Clausen available at 6, and given that the Jets were lauded last year for their move up to get Sanchez, perhaps someone else (Buffalo maybe) to pull a similar move and sell out the farm for Clausen, leaving Seattle to reap the benefit. Moving back a few spots in the first and picking up one or two additional picks (the higher the better) would be a good use of a high pick in a deep draft.

by Hawksince77 on Feb 26, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

If Berry, McCoy, Bradford, and maybe Okung (depending on how they value him)...

…are available at 6, trading down might not be worth it, if one of these guys is truly elite.

by Hawksince77 on Feb 26, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

OL Bench Presses:

Bruce Campbell – 34
Anthony Davis – 21
Bryan Bulaga – 26
Charles Brown – 21
Vlad Ducasse – 29
Mike Iupati – 27
Selvish Capers – 19

by Patton on Feb 26, 2010 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

Where are you getting that information from?

Workouts are not supposed to begin until Saturday.

by John Morgan on Feb 26, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

34 or 38 reps

with 36 inch arms is truly impressive. I did not think either Campbell or Okung had that kind of upper body strength.

by Hawkdawg on Feb 26, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't make too much of it

It’s perhaps the least applicable drill in the Combine.

by John Morgan on Feb 26, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

especially when you look at the list

of top performers over the years. No one that really jumps out.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

by Wayward Llama on Feb 27, 2010 4:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Iupati and Bulaga are really disappointing

I would have figured they could do more than that.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Feb 26, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Bulaga is dropping.

First his arm length is a very big concern. But then people rationalize it by saying if you have short arms you should be able to do a lot of reps of 225. Needless to say, he’s been disappointing.

by Patton on Feb 26, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, apparently he's turned it around in the interviews.

People seem to love him after talking to him. He measured bigger then what people. Because people thought he was smaller, arms aren’t as big of a deal. Not sure if I buy it yet.

by Patton on Feb 27, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Hm, interesting

Redskins to tender Campbell next week.

Right now, the draft is shaping to look like something along the lines of this?

1. Bradford
2. Suh
3. McCoy
4. Okung
5. McClain

by aerozeppelin on Feb 26, 2010 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

That would be a dream come true.

Getting Clausen at #6 and then best tackle on our board at #14 would be one hell of a first draft for Carroll and Schneider.

by Cannonater on Feb 26, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Ciron Black just did 23 reps

That probably solidifies him as a 4th rounder

by Patton on Feb 26, 2010 1:41 PM PST reply actions  

He'll be lucky if he makes the 4th.

he is not athletic enough for right tackle and does not project well at guard. He is part of why LSU offense sucked in 2009.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 27, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I really think Ryan Matthews would be a great fit in our scheme.

He looks every bit the one-cut and go type runner that has success in a ZBS. He doesn’t have a lot of moves or wiggle, but good vision and all the physical tools are there. I’d be happy if he became a Seahawk. Best ZBS runner of the top backs, IMO.

by Misfit74 on Feb 26, 2010 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

Nah this division has room for only 1 Frank Gore-type runner

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Feb 26, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Sproles in Seattle?

Supermidgets in the backfield! Forsett and Sproles would be the new bowling balls of doom. They’d be able to dart under the defensive linemen’s legs and zoom down the field. 90 yard touchdowns would become a regular event. At least, when Sproles was on the field…now we just need to draft McCluster to complete the trifecta!

by Chirp on Feb 26, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, "Tennis Balls of Doom"

That made me laugh more than it should have.

by djafrot on Feb 26, 2010 7:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Tennis Balls?

Maybe somewhere between tennis and bowling ball maybe? How about dodge balls of doom?

by Chirp on Feb 26, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Draft Order Updated after coin-flips.

San Francisco lost coin-toss and will have #17 (the 2nd of their two first round picks), losing out to the Titans who pick 16th. A small thank you to Lady Luck. :)

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2010-Draft-Order-Updated.html

by Misfit74 on Feb 26, 2010 7:05 PM PST reply actions  

Mora killing it

135 got pwned.

Seriously not bad though. I hope he sticks with the NFL Network. He seems like a natural.

by John Morgan on Feb 26, 2010 8:08 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, that was pretty funny.

I wish Mora had done better, his pressers never failed to make me chuckle at least once. On the other hand I generally cringed more than once too, but oh well. I hope he does well here.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 26, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Never measured them myself

but it is generally considered better to have long arms for a pass rusher. The stock pass rush moves, club, swim, swat, generally favor longer armed players. Sort of. I think for Price the more important matter is what it says about his frame and potential to fill out. It’s all just speculation at this point. Arm length, height, none of it matters much compared to skill, desire and actual football athleticism. It’s the skill and football athleticism that worries me about Price.

by John Morgan on Feb 27, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Bruce Campbell seems like a Gibbs pick

Except for the whole “Going in the first round” thing

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 27, 2010 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

Fast 40's

A couple O-linemen posted times close to Walter Jones when he came out, but do they also have the technique, power, balance and footwork as well?

by SeahawkSammy on Feb 27, 2010 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

Not enough Kafka news
Kafka ready for shot: Northwestern’s Mike Kafka showed up at the combine with a shaved head and a winner’s attitude.

“I want to be an NFL starter,” he said. “I’m not going to the league to be a No. 2. I think my whole game can go to another level. I’m ready to take it up another notch.”

Kafka was a multi-threat quarterback at Northwestern and put up some big numbers. Scouts Inc. has him ranked 11th among quarterbacks, a class that Bears general manager Jerry Angelo ranked as “iffy.”

“I know my athletic ability takes care of itself,” he said. "There’s a lot of film people can watch to know I can throw. Most important for me are the interviews. I want to show them I know football

Here’s a link to Kafka’s Diary: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/2073157,CST-SPT-diary27.article

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Feb 27, 2010 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

I would venture to say that the Short Shuttle is one of the more applicable drills

Curry’s was 4.51. DRC’s was 4.17. Clay Mathews did it in 4.18. That’s insane.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 27, 2010 5:52 PM PST reply actions  

Wasn't Trindon Holliday's unofficial time .05 seconds slower though?

4.42 is still fast though, just doesn’t seem quite as impressive because of the 4.4 barrier.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Tate's time will not likely hold up.

He should end up right around where scouts expected him.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Three cone up

most important drill for wide receivers.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2010 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

40's

Gerhart 4.53. Better than either Wells or Moreno from last year Blount 4.62, Dixon 4.67 (like Shonn Greene who had a 4.63). Dwyer 4.59. Stafon Johnson 4.66 (ouch). Mathews 4.41 (nice).

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

LeFevour 4.66

Jarret Brown 4.54
Tebow 4.72
McCoy 4.79
Zac Robinson 4.71

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2010 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

If Under Armour wanted to sell 'combine' shirts

do you think that would be a hot seller? I do.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

Golden Tate should change his last name to Snitch.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2010 10:59 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

How the hell did Clausen get 68% completion with Tate's hands?

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

Me neither, I put McCluster in the Mocking the Draft contest.

But only because everyone guessed Ford and Holliday and Banks.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he plays a lot different than he does with drills.

I very rarely ever saw Tate drop anything. Plus, Tate had the chance to work with Clausen for several years now. Familiarity might have played a role.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Mar 2, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

While that changes my opinion of him, I hope SD takes him so we don't.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

No I meant, I wasn't high on him, but now I think more of him.

But I still hope another team drafts him since I am generally anti-RB for early picks.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Bummer

But I wonder how much is due to his recovery. His pro day will be important I would think.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 28, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

He could trim a little off

He took a deep breath and it sounded like a trumpet. I’m sure he’s not paying attention to running right now.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

40s

Gerhart 4.53. Better than either Wells or Moreno from last year Blount 4.62, Dixon 4.67 (like Shonn Greene who had a 4.63). Dwyer 4.59. Stafon Johnson 4.66 (ouch). Mathews 4.41 (nice).

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2010 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

I have to agree.

I do wonder if he can catch it at all, though. He’s a very low-base, power bowling ball as a rusher.

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice find

Down hill runner with vision, power, adequate speed and projected as a 5th rounder <*nfldraftscout.com>. Caught a couple passes towards the end of this video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egq64hNjK_M

by 206Bruce on Feb 28, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Big Tate

Another very good three down back.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2010 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

I'm starting to like him.

Ran and jumped well for his size. Probably more of a Ruskell pick, college-wise.

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Whoo.

Best w/ 4.33 on his 2nd run.

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2010 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

Best is a great weapon for a team with a back

Like Felix Jones, but I think if he’s getting regular carries, that’s bad.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Who're the best FBs so far?

Bell has good hands, so does Dwyer. Blount?

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 28, 2010 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

I never doubted his speed

Guy looks like a good back. That is, in week one. He reminds me too much of Chris Brown: Upright, lots of contact, injury risk.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Ouch Stafon Johnson

I want him to do well more than most any of the other backs.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 28, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

McCluster is sudden

Not fast. I don’t see why that’s such a hard thing to understand.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

Official 40 times are in. Best bests Spiller.

Best, Jahvid 4.35
Spiller, C.J. 4.37
Tate, Ben 4.43
Mathews, Ryan 4.45
McKnight, Joe 4.47
Hardesty, Montario 4.49
Starks, James 4.50
Miller, Lonyae 4.53
McNeal, Shawnbrey 4.56
McCluster, Dexter 4.58

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2010 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

49ers GM has spoken

Q: Do you plan on taking a running back with a different style than Frank Gore?
A: We could. Yeah, we could. Again, I think it comes down to what will be his role with us. Is there any special teams value involved in it? Again, where he’s taken in the draft is going to say what the role is going to be and how soon we think he can help us. Gore is a really good football player for us and we expect him to be a good football player for us for the next couple of years. But we also understand that we can’t count on him forever. And if you start limiting his carries now somewhat – he doesn’t like it – but if we protect him. What our vision is to play 16 (games) and get to the playoffs. We need him to be healthy for him to that.

We’re drafting Spiller in the 1st round.— Have fun punishing Alex Smith during the regular season, that is if he lasts through the preseason.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Feb 28, 2010 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

I wish Joique Bell was 4.5 fast.

He did pretty good on everything, especially three cone.

by DJ C-Raig on Feb 28, 2010 9:07 PM PST reply actions  

I would cry.

Sorry John, but that might be the worst idea I’ve heard this year.

by Cannonater on Mar 1, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't apologize.

Your comment speaks for itself.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Not one, no.

But look at the 1997 draft. Seattle moved up to select Springs and Jones.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Not true.

The offense rebounded the very year Seattle selected Jones, and went to the playoffs in 1999. We can’t blame Jones for the many terrible subsequent drafts and free agent signings.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

The case for Suh is the rebuilding case, and it assumes Ruskell did not add much talent to build on.

If Seattle does not think it can compete in 2010 or even 2011, then it has plenty of drafts to build up the rest of the team, but no better chance to add someone like Suh.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It would take some stones

But if we packaged both to STL and took Suh with the hope of Tebow at 40 I would be nervous, but not angry. Problem is, I don’t know of Tebow lasts to 40.

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 1, 2010 12:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think he will

Seattle could grab another developmental player like Robinson, Lefevour or Snead, but would likely be back at square one next year.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Square one with a bad ass DT and a legit shot at Locker.

Though I’m not bonering for Locker like some these Husky homers.

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 1, 2010 12:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Tebow will work hard and could be a good force in the locker room

I don’t think that will make him a good NFL QB. Unfortunately Chad Pennington can tell you leadership and hardwork will only carry you so far.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Mar 1, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

There's definitely a case

For only paying one mega-salary rookie contract for an elite talent at DT, rather than two almost-mega rookie contracts for two almost-elite talents.

It would be most palatable for me, I think, if Suh was there at number two and the ‘Hawks could recoup a third or fourth round pick in the deal. Otherwise it’s a tough sell to give up two high picks when the offense needs to be restocked, which you could imagine doing with Spiller/Brown, or [insert your favorite combo here].

by busplunger on Mar 1, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

The rebuilding case also means we need to fill multiple positions with starting-caliber talent.

Adding Suh, as great as that would be, would hinder our ability to find quality starters at other positions. Then, there is also the risk factor. If Suh suffered a career-threatening injury we will have set ourselves back quite a bit – nothing to show for two top-15 overall picks (admittedly, I’m not adamant about this particular factor). I think he’s worth a gamble (seems a safely elite prospect) who should have a long career. Maybe be the next ’Tez for us. I remember those times. Great defense, no Quarterback, seemingly a decade of losing.

We need a QB. That should be our priority, and, depending on how the team views the top two guys, we should do what it takes within reasons to ensure getting one. QBs take time to develop. Those same other drafts to build up the rest of the team can be happening while that QB develops, hitting his stride as the rest of the team comes together around him in a similar way.

by Misfit74 on Mar 1, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it possible to retain 14 and trade a first round next year?

I think I could handle that but to give up that much for Suh and to have him break a wrist could be devastating for years.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Mar 1, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

True

That contract isn’t too bad for the kind of player you’d get there.

So let’s say the guaranteed money is roughly equal for the number two pick vs. six and fourteen combined. (I’m going to assume it’s too expensive to trade into #1 and thus this depends on the Rams picking somebody else, which may or may not happen.)

This comes up in baseball more often (because you have less positions to fill): how much value there is consolidating your talent into a single spot? Does it benefit the ’Hawks more to find two pretty-good starters, or one superstar?

Those are open discussion questions, I guess. I don’t know if Suh is a superstar or not, etc.

by busplunger on Mar 1, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Evidently Suh posted a 35.5" vertical

We can debate whether that’s important or not, but it’s the best at his position in ten years.

by busplunger on Mar 1, 2010 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

It shows explosiveness I guess. Same for broad jump.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Mar 1, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

also leg strength

powerful hamstrings and quads to push back o-lineman.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Mar 1, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Not much fat on him at all.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Mar 1, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

This blog's fetish with Lamar Houston makes my Mike Kafka man-crush look like childs-play

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 1, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Except Houston is an actual prospect.

Also, John did the same break down for two other defensive tackles.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 1, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

After the big 2 are off the board..

My next favorites ares are Tyson Alualu..[watch him play against Bruce Campbell (highly recommended)] and Jared Odrick. Both were double and triple teamed all throughout their senior year. Both are very powerful at the point of attack and have great technique, Just ask Joe Asomoah about Odrick, "I watched him on film, but you don’t get the magnitude of his power from film." As for Lamar Houston, I’ll admittedly say, I know nothing about, I’ll have to watch him sometime on youtube – I really hate watching Texas games though.

Which other 2 were broken down?

By the way, Kafka “[He] is bald, because he shaves his head, do you understand?” Only has been helping his draft stock since Senior Bowl practices. At the Combine I’ve been hearing him and Jarrett Brown were the only standouts. Kafka did well or better in passing drills, during interviews, and when it came to measurables.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 1, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

And I remember now

You spent all of last year telling us how Deon Butler was the second best wide receiver prospect in the draft. What was it?

In 4 years

I’d be disappointed if Butler didn’t put up at least 2,500 yards
Butler I’ve always said was the 2nd best WR to Crabtree in this draft then came Ramses after Butler.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't realize Butler had the opportunity to play last year

In preseason I remember him doing very well, during the regular season Butler was behind veterans that were well deserving roles ahead of him. Are you that quick to slap Butler with the bust label?- He did have a reception that set the Seahawks up to beat the Niners.- A WR who was picked in the 3rd round, has to immediately start and be productive are your standards of a 3rd round pick?

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 1, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

He was targeted 42 times and amassed a -91 DYAR

Bust, no. Second best wide receiver in the draft, that was foolish the second you wrote it.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

How does -91 DYAR compare to the rest of the Seahawk receivers?

Butler most likely was in on 3rd and long, I assume. Obviously a difficult passing down.
Does targets = On-target?
How many drops?
Bonus: What does DYAR measure?

2nd overall WR in the draft? I’d take that back now. Last year I was an excitable rookie poster. Coming into this year I’ve got my 1st year behind me, I know what to expect, and I know that everything should be researched extensively.

I thought Patrick Turner was one of the more well-rounded route runners I saw and wasn’t surprised he was drafted in the third round.

Was Patrick Turner injured last year? You were high on him last year. How come he couldn’t find his way onto the field behind the likes of Teddy Ginn jr, Camillo, and Bess? Brian Hartline saw a ton of action last year. Odd that Patrick Turner hasn’t done much of anything.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 1, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Reportedly because he didn't try very hard and didn't learn the playbook.

I wasn’t high on him. I thought he exceeded his projected draft placement. I made one comment and mentioned him once in a post.

You’re grasping at straws.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The only other thing I wrote about Turner was:
Turner is a project receiver with good upside. His footwork pops off the screen. His height, 6’5", and ability to box out defenders, make him a legitimate red zone threat. If Turner sags too deep into the second day, Seattle could scoop him up and throw him on the pile.

“Project.”
“Sags too deep in the second day.”

This is your smoking gun?

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Trolling? Spamming? yes?
I actually asked you if all this Kafka mentioning would be considered spamming. Just take a look in your rules and regulations thread.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 1, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Troll

Wikipedia:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response1 or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Kafka discussion is extraneous, check. It’s off topic, check. Your primary intent is to annoy, I can only guess, check. It disrupts actual discussion about the Combine, double check. It has zero utility on a Seahawks blog, is being posted by a 49ers fan, one with a history of guano opinions that seemingly has too much time on his hands, check.

You’re trolling. Please stop.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Over dramatic?

How is Mike Kafka an off topic subject(or extraneous)? This thread is about players performing in the NFL combine. The other place I posted Kafka news was in the Senior Bowl thread, because he was a participant.

It disrupts actual discussion about the Combine, double check.

I’m posting about prospects that are at the combine.

You’ve put yourself in a paradox in my opinion. Since this does disturbs the discussion.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 1, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

So Kafka isn't one the Hawks are interested in?

kinda glad Northwestern guys never pan out

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Mar 1, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Otto Grahamwould beg to differ.

And so would Luis Castillo. Just kidding, I know you really meant, “Rarely become successful football players.” That is what you meant right?

by Cannonater on Mar 1, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah - it was

With all due respect to the 10 yard wobbling duck slowly drifting towards a receiver jogging down the field – they rarely work out.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Mar 1, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

as wrong as you're trying to make it sound.

1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker

by supraman on Mar 1, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. I knew he was a stud track athlete, but that is impressive.

How much did he weigh in at?

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Mar 2, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

That start looked HORRIBLE too.

41 inch vertical? What a freak.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Mar 2, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

And with the 8th pick of the 2010 NFL draft...

…Al Davis—excuse me, the Oakland Raiders—select…Taylor Mays!!!!!

by Hawksince77 on Mar 2, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Bruce Campbell is a possibility too.

Dream Draft: Clausen, Brown (#24), Houston, McKnight, Mike Williams, Black, McManis, DTN.

by LantermanC on Mar 2, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Te'o is having a nice Combine

I understand less and less why he is so undervalued.

by John Morgan on Mar 2, 2010 10:11 AM PST reply actions  

Yesterday I decided to sift through the NFL.com footage

To see what they had to say about him during his workout. But (alphabetically) he ran immediately after Ndamukong Suh, meaning while his 40-yard dash was happening, the network was busy showing 8 different slow-mo replays of Suh. They briefly showed him once after his first run was over, but that was it.

Despite the unfortunate loss of screen time, seems like he’s performed well over there. Better than expected for a guy whose rep is all hustle and overachieving. And he didn’t measure too small, either.

by busplunger on Mar 2, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

The NFL player profiles page is a bit annoying.

DTN’s profile page has the drills he did well in: 20 yard, cone, vertical. But I want to see what his bench press, broad jump, and other stuff as well.

by LantermanC on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

If you're looking for a specific player, I would search through google news.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like anyone is compiling the full results.

by John Morgan on Mar 2, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

It says on

Walter Football that he jumped 37 inches, benched 29 times, and ran a 4.72. Combine that with his 20 yard and cone drills (agility indicators), he looks to be a great prospect. I always thought the knock on him was that he wasn’t much of a workout warrior, but now I think perhaps he just didn’t get enough coverage being on a 0-12 team?

by LantermanC on Mar 2, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

His overall athleticism is not eye-popping.

I think that’s the knock rather than him not being a workout warrior, but also I think some of the knocks on his athleticism are remnants. He wasn’t highly recruited, but Te’o has transformed himself.

by John Morgan on Mar 2, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Haden, ouch

It’s bad when you’re top gear looks good, but your burst looks ass.

by John Morgan on Mar 2, 2010 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

He doesn't have the size to transition to Safety.

I would guess that he’ll be a good fit for some schemes, but not for others. Have to think this affects his early 1st-round projection. Jenkins went at 13…14?

by Misfit74 on Mar 2, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Earl Thomas looked iffy

Not that this drill is definitive.

by John Morgan on Mar 2, 2010 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

I've seen this a Guh-Jillion times

But for some reason, this is the first time that I think Kevin Thomas should have been fucking livid. That shit is unacceptable.

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 2, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Really? I don't see anything wrong with it.

Looks like Mays lead mostly with his shoulder, Thomas was just wrong place wrong time.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 2, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It's just an example of why Mays is a shitty striker

He had no control over that hit. I’m not saying he did it on purpose, even the best players make retarded mistakes, but he left his feet, went over the receiver, and crushed his teammate. It’s just sloppy football.

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 2, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Because the way the time the 40...

The player initiates the run, not an official with a starting gun.

Still, I agree; you’d think they’d be able to figure this out.

by busplunger on Mar 2, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I think they should start with a gun

because reaction time is kind of important. If you are slow to get off the line from the time the QB hikes the ball, that’s kind of important, though it puts more variation into the 40, and I can also see why they would just want to see speed and only speed.

by LantermanC on Mar 2, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure getting out of a sprinters start would translate at all to onfield burst

Most defensive players are reading or back pedaling at the snap and the only players with their hands on the groud, lineman, aren’t breaking into a sprint at the snap.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 2, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Watching Rich Eisen running the forty is great

Especially when they compare him to the players. Jacoby Ford crushed him even with a 5 yard headstart.

by seattle_since_81 on Mar 2, 2010 6:41 PM PST reply actions  

What I like about Eisen

As a football player, he may not have the “measurables” that you’d like in a safety, but he’s got all the intangibles you could want in a player—leadership, a locker-room presence, a team-first mentality. I say we take a late round flyer on him…he couldn’t hurt the team more than some of our current safety play.

by Chirp on Mar 3, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

They had a thing last year where one of the analysts ran a 40 in his suit.

Then they compared it to Andre Smith or some OT and the OT ended up crushing (obviously because the analyst ran a 6.5 or something slow).

by LantermanC on Mar 3, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Donald Butler

Only benched because of an ankle injury in the Senior bowl, but he did get 35 on the bench. Hopefully his speed shows up at the Washington pro day. He might be a great late round pickup.

by stufr on Mar 3, 2010 4:35 AM PST reply actions  

He really did seem to have a nose for the ball

He made sure that he was in on so many plays and positioned really well for interceptions.

by stufr on Mar 3, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

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