Thoughts on Kerney, Branch and Jones
by Nick Andron on Mar 1, 2010 1:50 PM PST
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PrintEDIT: Kerney is not getting a roster bonus, and is due a little over $5 million this year. There's not much reason to cut him before March 5th.
There's only a few days left before the official start of the 2010 season, and the Hawks org has been mostly mum on the three somewhat "controversial" players: Patrick Kerney (age, injury, declining performance), Deion Branch (age, injury) and Walter Jones (age, injury).
What do you guys think the outcome will be? Here are my thoughts:
Patrick Kerney - He's due to make a little over $5 million with NO roster bonus. It's unlikely anything happens with him any time soon. My guess is the team will try to restructure or trade. If neither, they'll cut him. He's expensive and his multiple labrum surgeries make it quite unlikely he'll be dominant.
Walter Jones - They'll pay him his roster bonus ($400k) and then let him retire. It's the right thing to do. Big Walt's the best Seahawks that's ever worn green and blue.
Deion Branch - I was conflicted, but I think he'll stay a Hawk (without a restructure). He seemed to gain a bit of steam the end of last season, and with the likely departure of Nate Burleson, we'll need a #2. When healthy (many of you may be thinking 'if healthy'), Branch tends to play better than Burleson (my observation).
Thoughts? Likely outcomes? I'm not football expert, so if I'm dead wrong, please tell me why!
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sounds logical
I don’t see Kerney as a part of any short or long term plan. He had his year but should be released. Even if he is used situational he has maybe 2 years left? He takes minutes away from other DEs (Tapp, Jackson, Reed) as well. I’d like to see us keep Branch.
I'd like to see Branch get traded
If it’s possible. I don’t know what kind of pick we would get for him, but I think we could trade him to New England, Kansas City, or Denver. My ideal package would be to send him and a third (or maybe even 4th) round pick to Denver for Brandon Marshall.
As for Kerney, you’re right, he needs to be cut. No team would want to swallow that amount of salary for a declining player.
I also agree with the Jones thing too. I think that is the most plausible route, even if they all are plausible.
"Good fortune does not come solely to the just, nor bad fortune to the unjust. When the weather is good for crops, it is also good for weeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt
Not that I wouldn't love it if it happened...
but I believe your “ideal” is too ideal on our side. Marshall will command more than a 3rd or 4th and a fading WR.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 1, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
It'd have to be a 4th
We don’t have a 3rd round pick this year (unless we somehow pick one up).
6/14/40. Sweet.
True
Forgot for some reason. I have read that Marshall would probably require a second round pick, but I would personally rather have that pick. If we had a third round pick, we might be able to ship them Branch too. Oh well…
"Good fortune does not come solely to the just, nor bad fortune to the unjust. When the weather is good for crops, it is also good for weeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt
I can't understand why people would rather have a 2nd round pick than a number 1 WR who is just entering his prime.
Seems to be a prevailing feeling, and I’m not knocking you for it. It’s just that we’re talking about a 2nd round pick as compared to an All-Pro. Seems like an easy choice to me.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 2, 2010 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
Depends how you look at our team in the future.
Personally, I take the more gradual (pessimistic?) approach that getting us back to being a legitimate Super Bowl contender will take at least three years, probably more. If we are indeed rebuilding with that goal in mind, do we want to lock ourselves into a long-term, big money contract with a WR diva? 5-11 teams usually are more than one player away from contention, and if I’m going to spend that much money on one player, I’d want it to be a QB. I also don’t like the idea of having both Marshall and Housh signed to big contracts.
Then again, Marshall will still only be 26 at the start of next season and should be very effective in the next half-decade.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Mar 2, 2010 4:17 AM PST up reply actions
Seems an optimistic approach, not pessimistic.
Since you are assuming that a 21-24 year old unproven NFL player drafted in the 2nd round will be better than a perennial all pro receiver who is only 2-5 years younger.
40th pick since 1990:
Ron Brace
Tracy Porter
John Beck
Daniel Bullocks
Josh Bullocks
Ben Troupe
EJ Henderson
Mike Pearson
Ken Lucas
Ian Gold
Tony Bryant
Cam Cleeland
Dexter McCleon
Jerod Cherry
Brian DeMarco
David Palmer
Michael Strahan
Matt Blundin
Shane Curry
Tim Grunhard
How many of those names aside from Strahan would you take ahead of Brandon Marshall?
2nd round picks are not sure things, even early in the 2nd round, at the 40th pick. Brandon Marshall is an elite young WR with athletically good years ahead of him. It’s honestly a no-brainer in my book.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 2, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I understand both sides of the argument and honestly, if we did trade a 2nd round pick for Marshall, we would have a great Wide Out for years. But, I just don’t see that as a big of a need as Defensive Tackle or Offensive Tackle. Now we never know what Carroll and Schneider will do with that 2nd round pick, they might even screw it up, but I want Lamarr Houston!
"Good fortune does not come solely to the just, nor bad fortune to the unjust. When the weather is good for crops, it is also good for weeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt
I agree, it isn't as high a need.
But you assume that the pick would fulfill the need. You could make a good argument our 2nd round OL help last year was the worst linemen in the starting lineup. Do I think Unger will get better? Well, I certainly hope so. But just assuming that the guy picked in the 2nd round will help more because he’s a “need replacement” guy is folly.
Marshall is established elite. You find room for those guys when they can be gotten on the cheap, and fill in the other details when you can.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 2, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
and you make a good argument why we should trade the pick if the opportunity were to present itself. The only reason I would want the second round pick is if we were to select Houston or if someone dropped far enough. But, who knows what Carroll and Schneider are thinking, Houston might not even be on their radar (doubtful, though).
"Good fortune does not come solely to the just, nor bad fortune to the unjust. When the weather is good for crops, it is also good for weeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt
And even if he is on the radar...
does that mean he will be as successful as a DT as Marshall is at WR?
Everyone looks great prior to the draft, that’s why they get drafted.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 2, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. I'd take him for our 2nd round pick, no doubt.
Especially if we’re drafting a QB high up this year. In three years, the QB will be starting to enter his prime, and Marshall will be 29 – square in the middle of his. Because of this, I don’t see the age gap being a concern. I’d argue shipping Housh off to Denver would make more sense since he’s in his 30s.
Growing a QB is likely less painful when he’s targeting skilled receivers. The margin of error is slightly higher when you’ve got dynamic receivers like Housh and Marshall.
I’d argue that Housh would become the #2, and our WR tandem would be utterly fantastic.
6/14/40. Sweet.
Another factor is how he will help our new QB
Someone like Marshall… tall, rangy, able to pull down the slightly-off jump ball, a monster after the catch… would be absolute gold for a young QB to break in with.
I’d take him for our 2nd in a heartbeat. Don’t forget that Burly’s contract is up and Branch could very well be gone too. Housh and Marshall would make for a devastating (though mouthy) combo. Put Clausen, Carlson, Forsett, and a new RB in there (Spiller?) and you’re laughing.
I think people are more scared of the potential baggage that Marshall might bring.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 2, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps.
I guess I’m less afraid of that, particularly with Pete Carrol at the helm.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 2, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I think so.
Only because of his $9 million dollar price tag that the other team would have to pick up. There wouldn’t really be any incentive that I can think of for him to restructure his deal to facilitate a trade either.
by Mind of no mind on Mar 1, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
unless he wants to try for a ring, pats maybe as a rush lb?
by Seahawks4life on Mar 2, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Looks at what Jason Taylor got when he left Miami the first time.
The Dolphins will receive a second-round pick in 2009 and a sixth-rounder in 2010.
Taylor was 33 at the time and had played 11 seasons.
To be fair, Taylor had 11 sacks the season before he got traded
It wasn’t like he was already useless. Kerney is, and he’s expensive. No team wants that.
I'd like to see Branch and Kerney go
Pat Kerney came in and did some good work for us. Branch has always left a sour taste in my mouth, I thought he came at too high of a cost, and never has carried his weight.
Pay Big Walt – let him retire when he is ready, 400k isn’t a lot towards the cap.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
also Big Walt could stick around and coach up our new tackle we take.
Preferably at 14 but I wouldn’t complain if we took one at 6 either.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
400k is a lot towards the cap
plus it’s even less when there is no cap.
by seattle_since_81 on Mar 2, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Too high a cost?
Meaning what? The pick? It wasn’t that great. The guy got injured, but was worth the cost paid at the time of the trade. The process that led to the trade was sound, the luck involved post trade was poor.
We’ve had less successful 1st/2nd rounders compared to Branch’s production.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 2, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
goone, gone, and gone
Kerney is never going to be dominant again, and i dont even want to see him out on the field trying to be anymore. he was good for one year, but our pass rush needs an overhaul, and he is the weakest link
Jones is the best Seahawk ever. it was surely a pleasure watching him over the years. however, the injuries have been too much, and i dont think he’ll ever recover well enough to be effective.
I would like to see branch somehow involved in a trade for Marshall. If we would get Marshall, i just dont see how we would need him. Deon Butler can easily take over his role in the offense, which probably wouldnt even be a huge role to begin with. If we dont get Marshall, then i think we have to keep him. I still question his ability to stay healthy for a season, though. I’d rather not have to worry about it.
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