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The Prospects of Brandon Marshall


For the about the last week, Field Gulls and other, lesser sports sites have been set ablaze with the prospects of Seattle acquiring Brandon Marshall from the Denver Broncos. As a Seahawks fan, I can say that I was on the computer most of Friday and Saturday trying to get an idea of what people were saying about this. Am I excited as hell about the idea of having a threat like Marshall on our team? Yes, yes I am. But as I was reading the various threads, articles, and sometimes tweets pertaining to this story, four questions continually pestered me. Do we want Brandon Marshall? What about his reputation? Who is our competition? What is the cost? Though I am not an "insider" and don't have any connections to anyone in the league, I want to sort this out as logically as I can with the information I do have from the internet.

Do we want Brandon Marshall?

As far as football playing goes, who wouldn't? He has been one of the most dominant receivers in the game over the last three years, catching 307 passes over that span, as well as amassing 3710 yards and 23 touchdowns. He not only has great hands, but is very graceful for a receiver his size (6-4 230lbs.). He would be a deep threat that the Seahawks haven't had in a while. A Seahawk fan can only dream of having him on the same offense as T.J. Houshmanzadeh and John Carlson. We would just need a capable QB, LT, and game plan, and we should be pretty respectable.

What about his reputation?

Brandon Marshall has become pretty infamous around the league for his off field antics. He has even earned the nickname baby T.O. Though Owens was a problem in the locker room, Marshall has been a problem off the field. Marshall has had many run ins with the law, mainly because of domestic violence. I think a more fair comparison would be Randy Moss. Here is a record of Marshall's legal troubles.

My main concern with Marshall is the company he keeps off the field. I think the change of scenery could be very good for him. Whether it factors or not, Seattle's roster if full of good guys from the Ruskell years, who would surely be a good influence on him. Also, from what I know about Pete Carroll, he usually deals well with people who have a Tupac-ian view of life. In fact, he usually has an easier time dealing with these kind of people if you note all the communities he reached out to in Los Angeles. Of course, this is all speculative, but it is something to think about.

Who is our competition?

At the moment, I believe pretty adamantly that we can break down our competition for Marshall into three categories: Possible, Doubtful, and Highly Unlikely. The chances for teams in the highly unlikely category to trade or sign Marshall are literally next to none. In my opinion, they can be considered eliminated from contention. Doubtful teams are probably not going to make a run for him. Possible teams are our closest competition. After looking at the league, here is how I see it breaking down.

Highly Unlikely: Eagles, Giants, Vikings, Lions, Packers, Saints, Cardinals, Falcons, Panthers, Rams, Patriots, Bills, Bengals, Steelers, Ravens, Browns, Colts, Texans, Titans, Chargers, Raiders, Chiefs (22 teams)

Doubtful: Cowboys, Redskins, Bucs, 49ers, Dolphins, Jaguars (6 teams). I figure you can't really ever completely count the Cowboys or Redskins out, but I really think neither will pull the trigger. The Bucs, Dolphins, and Jaguars need a Wide Receiver and have some picks, but that is the extent of it. The 49ers also probably will not do anything, but they could hurt the Seahawks by trying to drive up the price, they also have 2 first round picks.

Possible: Jets and Bears (2 teams). The Bears are already at a disadvantage because they don't have until the 75th in the third round. But they have a serious need at receiver and have been spending money, so, who knows? The Jets, I think are the closest thing that we have to competition for Marshall at all. It would be harder for them to trade for Marshall because they play in the same conference. Plus, they could look to the draft for someone like Golden Tate. I don't think the Jets really would want to trade a first rounder for Marshall either.

So, there you have it. Are only true competition for Marshall is the Jets, and they are in a distant second. In fact, Marshall hasn't even visited them yet, who knows if he want to play for them, or if they really are serious about him. I think this is obviously enormous leverage for the Seahawks because the market for Marshall is extremely thin.

What is the cost?

I think it is pretty evident that Seattle will not give up their 6th overall pick for Marshall, otherwise they would have signed him straight up to an offer sheet last Saturday. There are two things we can look at from the market's perspective to determine price, among other things.

The first is the market for Marshall, which we have already established. Basic economic principals say that if something is not in high demand, its value decreases. Brandon Marshall is not in high demand, meaning his value has hypothetically decreased.

Second, we can look at the Boldin trade as an indicator to how much Marshall is worth. They are somewhat similar receivers with similar numbers. Marshall might have more upside than Boldin and be less of an injury, but his history off the field offsets that for the most part. Boldin was traded to Baltimore last week along with a 5th (159th overall) for the Ravens 3rd (88th) and 4th (124th) round picks in the draft. The value for the 5th round pick according to the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart is 28.8. The value for the picks the Ravens sent are 150 for the third and 48 for the 4th. Together, the picks the Ravens traded for Boldin are worth a combined 198 points. To equate Boldin's worth to a single draft pick, we will subtract 28.8 from 198. This ends up equaling 169.2, or about the 84th pick in the draft, which is mid 3rd round. Here is the chart.

Using this logic, I think a fair price for Marshall might be a 4th this year, along with Deion Branch, and a conditional pick next year for Marshall and a 5th. Something along those lines. The point is that it would be absolutely preposterous to trade any 1st round pick for Marshall. I think it is still a little bit of a reach for a 2nd, but would be pretty happy with it overall, because as good as he might be, the market has dictated his value, and it is not worth a first. It is now up to Seattle to play it smart like they have been and wait for the right time to pick up Marshall and not over pay for him.

Or they just made not trade him, and if that is the case, nevermind then.

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The problem here is......

We aren’t completely sold on ridding ourselves of Marshall……
As a Bronco fan, I’d just assume have him around next year, and nobody from our FO has shown that they wouldn’t be willing to bring him back. If we had to trade him or cut him I would agree with everything here, but as it stands we keep him for the tendered amount and get an elite receiver for one more year (with potential franchise tag next year) at a bargain bin price, AND he’s in a contract year so he should be motivated. No way we give him up for less than a 1st in my humble opinion.

by Kgrone on Mar 10, 2010 3:30 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with you

they might not trade him. I was going to add something about that, but got rushed. I edited it.

by Blake Jensen on Mar 10, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

haha...ok....

I’d also add that we have little interest in Branch. Although McD seems to have a thing for former Patsies so he may be thinking differently than me and pretty much everyone else over at MHR concerning Deion. This isn’t out of the realm of possibility, but as a fan I’d be pissed if we don’t get a 1st.

by Kgrone on Mar 10, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think we as fans are rarely satisfied with a square deal

we want to come out with the steal, the bargain, get more value than what we gave up.

by jacobstevens on Mar 10, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Every Belicheck croney has a thing for former Patsies.

Look at Eric Mangini with the Jets and Browns, as well as Scott Pioli with the Chiefs. I think Branch could be a good fit, but who knows? We thought he would be a good fit in Seattle, but injuries plagued him. But he would fit in McDaniels system more than ours.

by Blake Jensen on Mar 10, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Possible...

But with no guarantee of a 2011 season that could be a career ending decision. Few players can sit out a year and come back at anywhere near the same form, and even fewer could do it for 2 years. It’s also leaving $3-4Mil on the table which I can’t see him doing as he’s been playing his rookie contract and still hasn’t seen the big money the NFL has to offer him (and again, if there’s no 2011 season then he goes unpaid for 2 consecutive years).

Bowlen is also a classy owner and I’m sure that he would bump his pay a little bit in the spirit of being fair. You make a good point, and it’s definitely a possibility, but I don’t think it makes sense for BM to sit.

by Kgrone on Mar 10, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

2.5 million

Which is nothing. I think it’s more likely he signs the Broncos 9.5 mil contract they’d offered then his tender.

by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 10, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Could be...

This offseason will show him he doesn’t have the value that he thinks he does. If he sits out it even further tarnishes his image. I’m not ruling it out, but I don’t know that 9.5 mil a year will still be on the table, and I don’t know that even Marshall would be dumb enough to hold out when there’s no telling when the NFL will resume after next year.

by Kgrone on Mar 10, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Him as a free agent is a lot more valuable then him as a restricted free agent

with a 1st round tender. The 1st round tender kills off a lot of buyers and Marshall and his agent know that.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Mar 10, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed...

At the same time, there are few positions that I would not give up a 1st for an elite talent. I don’t see him sitting out a year especially with the possiblity of no 2011 season. To give up 2 years of your prime, unpaid is a tough pill to swallow. Especially considering he’s been playing his rookie contract so he’s not as financially set as, say, a Moss or Fitz.

If I had to guess right now, I think we may resign him. He’s said he’s open to returning to Denver, and our FO has said they could see him returning. This isn’t a situation where we have to get rid of him and take anything we can. If there’s not an offer to our liking then we walk away. Next year (assuming there is a next year) we can franchise him again, so I’m not thinking he’s gonna be a FA any time soon.

by Kgrone on Mar 10, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I won't go so far as to say the Broncos are in a bind with Marshall

but the alternative scenarios most likely include receiving no compensation for Marshall when we goes elsewhere in 2011. The book is pretty well closed on him coming back after this year. So wouldn’t you prefer some compensation, compared to none?

by jacobstevens on Mar 10, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing is

this draft is DEEP with talent. the 40th overall pick this year had a lot more value than the 40th overall pick last year. If the FO doesn’t completely mess up, they’ll get a first round talent who could’ve been taken much higher in another draft at #40.

by Trepidation on Mar 10, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It is even more valuable when you consider our needs

We have more holes to fill than normal.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

These have been pretty much my thoughts on the situation.

Regardless of what the Broncos want or feel they should get for him, I don’t like the idea of even paying a 2nd rounder for him. I just don’t think he’s that valuable, not with the inherent risks and the cost his contract is going to bring. Especially with us not having a QB. Maybe the Broncos refuse to budge on less then a 1st or 2nd rounder. Fine. Walk away. It’s really not a huge loss. He’ll be in free agency next year anyway (leaving the Broncos with nothing). Let’s get the foundations of our offense (QB) in order first before we start paying through the nose for a talented WR with off the field problems.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Mar 10, 2010 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

Exactly. Why not simply wait until next year?

It seems to me that by just waiting a year until he’s a FA (assuming there’s a new CBA in place) we eliminate the need to trade a pick for him. We were going to need to sign him to a long term deal regardless to make this worthwhile (or have Denver do a sign and trade) so since this isn’t going to be the final piece, let’s just wait it out one more year.

by biju on Mar 11, 2010 7:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Franchise tag

Wouldn’t Denver just use the franchise tag on him?

I’m not sure if that would go away under a new CBA, but under the current rules it seems extremely unlikely that Brandon Marshall would hit the open market.

by busplunger on Mar 11, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Elvis Dumervil

He got the 1st & 3rd tender, Marshall the 1st, and seems to be higher priority. Of course he could get a long-term deal done before free agency 2011. But otherwise I’d expect the tag to go on Elvis.

by jacobstevens on Mar 11, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post, really comprehensive

Just noticed one thing

The Jets, I think are the closest thing that we have to competition for Marshall at all. It would be harder for them to trade for Marshall because they play in the same division.

I assume you meant same conference?

by bdf128 on Mar 10, 2010 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Right...

it’s been changed. Thanks for the heads up!

by Blake Jensen on Mar 10, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Seven calls for domestic violence.
My main concern with Marshall is the company he keeps off the field. I think the change of scenery could be very good for him.

I’m not sure he cares what the dropback looks like when he’s in the mood to beat down women. Granted, the man has ghosts in Denver, but still.

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Mar 10, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

This guy is insanely talented.

I will be stoked if the front office acquires him, and I have a gut feeling they will because I honestly believe we are the only team who will trade for him and give him the contract he will demand. Bringing in Marshall will dramatically improve our offense. If we acquire Marshall and shore up our offensive line in the draft our offense will turn a 180 from where it was in recent seasons. And we all know a healthy and productive offense is a defense’s best friend. I can’t wait to see what comes from this and the draft. Also, I think Mike Bell would be a great fit.

by TannerHoffman on Mar 10, 2010 5:37 PM PST reply actions  

we can shore up our line if we trade for Marshall

assuming we are willing to pay what they want for him.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Willie Clark found guilty of murdering Darrent Williams.

Wonder if this will help heal Marshall’s feelings toward Denver. Hopefully this brings some solace to him and to Williams’s family.

by thebyron on Mar 11, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I think that could potentially change a huge factor in this whole thing.

by Blake Jensen on Mar 11, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

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