The Facts and Implications of Seattle Cutting Deon Grant
Tim Ruskell overpaid to sign Deon Grant. I think he knew it too. Ruskell signed Grant to a six-year, $30 million contract because the Seahawks were in the thick of contention. Grant was a good safety, but his value to Seattle was in the player he replaced, Michael Boulware, and his marginal value to a contender. Football emphasizes the weakest link more than baseball, and so replacement value is presumably greater. A lineup of eight Albert Pujols and one Willie Bloomquist would be historically good, whereas an offensive line made up Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson, Kevin Mawae, Larry Allen and Stephon Heyer would still allow quite a few sacks. Grant did not have to be a very good safety to greatly improve the Seahawks secondary.
The same year Grant signed, prorated bonuses extended from a five- to a six-year limit. Seattle has paid $5.75 million of Grant's $11.5 million signing bonus. So by cutting Grant, they accelerate that remaining cap hit, but avoid Grant averaging $5.65 million against the cap in 2010-2012.
Deon turned 31 on Sunday. I think it's bad business cutting someone so close to their birthday, but so it goes. His contract in isolation was not onerous, but Grant did cost a lot for a safety. Seattle should be in good cap shape. The Seahawks are no longer spending towards Matt Hasselbeck's prorated bonus, and whatever his decision, should be freed from Jones' contract through retirement or release. That does not mean they should not hope to further improve their situation, but I do not think cutting Grant was a form of salary purge.
Instead, it mostly reflects the team's evaluation of Deon Grant the player, his future, and the talent that can replace him. Grant played strong safety, and strong safety is the weaker class among the safeties. It is possible that Seattle moves Jordan Babineaux to strong safety to accommodate a talent like Eric Berry or Taylor Mays, because it is not like Babs is entrenched at the position. The team has flexibility. Seattle is not locked into adding a strong or free safety.
Seattle is now a starter short. Grant was a good player with flaws. He was undependable in man cover and a weakness in the box, and the Seahawks, and Pete Carroll's Trojans, love to play the safety up. Seattle has a young defense, and adding a cornerstone talent at safety that can grow and lead the Seahawks is exciting. Personally, I hope Grant can land somewhere that better takes advantage of his skills. He seemed most at home working in a deep zone, and maybe can land somewhere that runs a base cover 2. The upshot is that Seattle, drafting at six and 14, seemingly desperate to add a quarterback through an avenue other than the early part of the draft, enters the Eric Berry, but also Taylor Mays sweepstakes. That is sure to thrill and terrify.
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Eric Berry - thrill
Taylor Mays – terrify
6/14/40. Sweet.
by Nick Andron on Mar 16, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I would love Berry at 14.
Or even 10. But at 6, it just feels like too high a price for a safety.
Now with more lemon bars!
Understood. I was there. I've converted.
And also the reality is 6 is the only spot where he will be available, if he’s available to us at all.
by jacobstevens on Mar 16, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The worst part of this move to me
is adding another significant hole, pre-draft. QB, tackle, DT, S — any available of these taken at 6 would be good. Well, one tackle, if available there, would be good, regardless of Bulaga now creeping up to the top half of the top 10 recently in mocks.
I’m fine with releasing Grant. At the end of the off-season, if he wasn’t going to be here, then when we release him isn’t that important.
But now is the time when you can add much through free agency. Well, last week. And it’s expensive and you generally shouldn’t, and I’m glad they didn’t. And it’s a bad year for it. But needs have not been alleviated, except for if Whitehurst picks us, or if we trade for Marshall. I’m more concerned with the constructed lack of flexibility moving toward the draft than anything else. Q/PM could conceivably be stone-cold restrained, and make the best picks of available prospects each time regardless of the implications of our holes. But I doubt it.
The stupidity of our front office
never ceases to amaze me
At least keep him as depth if we’re not starting him!
Fingers crossed we sign Melvin Bullitt
But he was TEAM CAPTAIN!
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
For one year, I could live with it
Yeah, I’m not signing his paycheque, but at the end of the day it’s created yet another hole to fill. If we don’t draft a safety, we have Babs, Jamar Adams, Lawyer Milloy. Scary. He’s arguably the best player we had at S
Why is there no love for Earl Thomas?
Every site I read has Hawks focused on Berry/Mays or bust.
I Bleed Blue and Green
It depends on who you read
I’ve seen a couple of scouting reports now who thing that Thomas might actually be better.
Agreed. I don't see why Thomas is universally considered worse.
Berry, I believe is just a year ahead of the game. If Thomas had returned he’d be the same as Berry next year as Berry is this year in terms of stock. Both a bit undersized, both good at INTs, if anything it seems like Thomas is a better tackler.
The other nice thing is that if we trade back
Thomas will probably available around 20 or so and only cost that kind of money.
doing that could by us another pick in round 2 or 3
I like Earl Thomas. Texas usually produces good DB’s. Huff is good but was definitely a reach at 7.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 16, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know about far more.
I was going to post some combine stats, but nfl.com is stupid and doesn’t list any of Thomas’s stats besides his bench press.
Leaders only, right.
It’s fair to say it’s distinct. Berry is rightfully the higher prospect. I’m more intrigued by the youth of Thomas and as you said earlier, that he might have performed almost as good, with (essentially) less.
Despite Berry’s athletic edge, how it all manifests on the field is likely barely distinguishable, even if the prospects themselves can be distinguished in athleticism. And Thomas’ ball skills might be a hair better. And his current seeming valuation, closer to our 14th than our 6th (6th being about the low end of Berry’s valuation) also makes him more intriguing to me, but Berry is rightfully the higher prospect.
by jacobstevens on Mar 16, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think 6 is too high for him and he'll be gone before #14.
But I think he’d be a good fit if available at 14.
My take:
Berry is not required in order to fill our hole at Safety, and neither is spending a first-round pick on the position.
I think we have to seriously consider positional disparity.
Is a Safety at 6 and an OT at 14 better than an OT at 6 and a Safety at 14, for example? Are the Safeties available in round 2 good enough to be viable starter with good potential to become great? I have to think that there will be a bevy of Safeties that could fit our needs at 40, perhaps even later. I’m not sure there will be a QB…if both QBs are gone, I’m not sure the value of other positions isn’t greater in relation to what may be available later in the draft. Curry at 4 or Cushing at 14? Could be looking at Berry at 6 or Thomas at 14…and imagine what we could get with the #6. There are many posibilities, though I think there is a great chance good Safeties will be available at 40 – enough so that we shouldn’t be locked into a 1st-round Safety.
I was thinking the same thing.
I think we’d have to take him at 14. I’ve been hoping for an OT at 14. But if we grab one at #6, then I’d way prefer Thomas to Mays. I think the Mays part of the equation is mostly about the USC connection.
I also like a few of the second round safeties, though Chad Jones didn’t make as much noise at the combine as I thought he would.
I'm one of the few who rather get him than Berry
Mostly because there’s more value to be had with getting him at #14 than with getting Berry at #6
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 16, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
color me terrified
Berry has all the makings of a very talented player on a terrible team(for many years). If our offense isn’t fixed our defense will suffer for years to come. At least the shelf life of a good safety is 10 years so Berry would have time to make his mark.
I don’t want anything to do with Mays at 14. Way to early.
What color is that?
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 16, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant will be dependable depth somewhere
Fairly quickly I would guess. He was the only regularly healthy DB for the Seahawks the last two years – or at least he was the only one tough enough to play through injuries.
Ruskell would have signed a couple cheap FA safties to fill the pre-draft void, let’s see what the Queen and PM do.
I agree, that was one thing Ruskell was good at
that is filling the holes pre-draft. This feels the opposite, it feels like a hole was just opened pre-draft. Was there a reason he couldn’t’ have been released after the draft, was their a bonus that was due or something?
Where does Joe Haden COme into play in all of this?
I looked over the last 10 years of drafts of DB and S and the success rate of CB drafted in the top15 was at a way higher success rate then S. A few, Antrell Rolle, Polamalu, made the switch to their Safety rolls after being drafted as a CB according to NFL.com Just some food for thought. I think a shut down corner is More a concern for the Hawks at this point through the draft, where as their is some other good S still out on the Market in Atogwe, etc. IF haden cant pan out as a CB do to his lack of speed (40 time), im lookin at a possible Macolm Jenkins switch to the Heir apparent to Darren Sharper in NO
I want no part of Haden in round one.
In fact, pass. Haden will fit only in certain schemes if he’s really as slow as advertised. If I’m picking where he’s expected to be drafted, I want an elite shutdown-type corner. Haden isn’t that.
But im still sippin on Taylor Mays kool aid this whole time so .......
I dont know if my opinion matters. I just like what he brings to the table from a INTIMIDATION factor where Fitz and the other WR in our DIV have no fear going over the middle getting hit by the Safetys we have had. IMO
Can get that with Lawyer Milloy, though.
Crabtree will never sleep again.
Was Polamalu drafted as a CB? That’s news to me.
Your question about Joe Haden is a good one, though. I’ve thought about him at 14 if both top QBs are gone and we get Okung at 6. Possibly a better pick than Spiller. Not as good a pick as Earl Thomas if he’s still there, though, to me. And your point about the value of the corner vs. safety is a good one. And we may be blinded by the sexy safeties in this draft and the sexy top safeties in the league.
But one thing to keep in mind is an upgrade at corner would probably not have the impact of the upgrade at safety. Because of the quality of the upgrades and the replaced players.
But that’s short-term, and we probably shouldn’t think about it with such a short-term perspective.
by jacobstevens on Mar 16, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Tapp was traded
To Philly for Chris Clemons and a late round pick… bummer.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/16/eagles-seahawks-swap-defensive-ends/
Oh Lord.
Tapp is going to be DPOY in Philadelphia. Please someone tell me Chris Clemons is worth more than piss.
by jacobstevens on Mar 16, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
a 28 year old
undrafted DE from 2003 from Georgia, signed by Washington, bounced around the league. Comes with a freaking 5 year contract.
Situational pass rusher. 6’3" 240! 240!!! He’s 28!!! And a late round pick, while they get Tapp.
UUUUGGGGGGGGHHHH
by jacobstevens on Mar 16, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You're kidding me.
Next thing you know, we’ll draft Tebow. Mark my words…
New coach/GM really are cleaning house.
Sean McDermott is extremely happy.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 16, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions

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