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The Rapacious Eric Berry, Pt. 1

Tim Ruskell traded Julian Peterson then drafted Aaron Curry. We may never know if the moves were in fact interdependent, but they certainly were connected. In the short term, the move cost Seattle. Peterson was an irreplaceable part of the Seahawks pass rush. Curry could not step in and replace one of the best pass rushing linebackers in the league. With any luck, Seattle can get the same kind of production out of Curry that San Francisco did from Peterson. With better luck, Curry will develop into something special.

That is not a very exciting story. Peterson was getting old and was not a great run defender, but instead of addressing a need, the Seahawks created a need and then attempted to patch it with a better talent but inferior player.

History would seem to be repeating itself. Seattle had a good if not perfect or spectacular strong safety: Deon Grant. Grant recently turned 31, the same age Seattle dropped Peterson. Peterson is an athletic marvel with little injury history that should age gracefully. Grant has an even more sterling injury history, and if not the pure athlete Peterson is, did not look to be hitting a wall. The Seahawks cut Grant and now are desperately thin at safety.

So how about that Eric Berry?

Virginia Tech had the second best offense in college football as ranked by S&P. It was the fourth best team overall. Tennessee ranked 14th overall and 14th in total offense. The Volunteers defense ranked 27th, undercut by a 44th ranked rush defense.

1. 1st and 10 at VT 26 Ryan Williams rush for 1 yard to the VTech 27.

Seahawks understand just how much value can be derived from a slot receiver. Berry lines over the left slot. His eyes are fixed on quarterback Tyrod Taylor. Taylor adjusts the pre-snap formation, and Berry sees something he thinks tips him off. He looks over to the right corner, gestures, the right corner acknowledges, looks over to the left corner, gestures. Whatever Berry saw, he apparently read wrong, because the play is a simple run right. Berry does not factor.

2. 2nd and 9 at VT 27 Ryan Williams rush for 3 yards to the VTech 30.

Berry is again playing over the left slot. He starts playing off, surveys, and then walks up into tight coverage over Danny Coale. Coale begins a somewhat lax looking route, Berry tracks him for about three steps, sees run, fights through the block and into the tackle.

3. 3rd and 6 at VT 30 Tyrod Taylor pass complete to Jarrett Boykin for 7 yards to the VTech 37 out-of-bounds for a 1ST down.

Berry is now playing on the defensive left, and is aligned over the right tight end. At the snap he shadows the tight end, first above and then slightly behind, putting himself into a slight trail position, and attempting to bait Taylor and jump the route. Taylor targets Boykin along the left sideline for the first.

4. 1st and 10 at VT 37 Ryan Williams rush for 6 yards to the VTech 43.

Berry is playing outside the left defensive end, walked up but just outside the tackle box. Grant spent much of the 2009 season in the same position. Taylor rolls right and Berry charges to contain/pressure, but the boot motion is a red herring. Williams runs left. Berry does not factor.

5. 2nd and 4 at VT 43 Ryan Williams rush for no gain to the VTech 43.

Berry is deep, playing over the right slot and opposite Coale. He drops down, fights through Coale's block and assists Herman Lathers in tackling Williams for no gain.

6. 3rd and 4 at VT 43 Tyrod Taylor pass incomplete to Dyrell Roberts.

Berry is in deep center in what looks like a true cover 1. He charges down towards the line prior to the snap, suggesting a safety blitz, but stopping five yards opposite the center. Berry is spying Taylor. After the snap, the line moves pocket left. Berry tracks the action, staying square with Taylor and between both the right wide receiver running a drag and the left wideout running a dig. The routes are arriving from opposite directions and are on different planes but both receivers are approaching the same throwing lane. Taylor sees something and fires, Berry looks ready to jump the route, but defensive end Montori Hughes jumps and bats down the pass.

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Nice writeup.

I’ve always liked Berry..

Cool video, as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnti9QNwVFs

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

The Arizona Cardinals' plan for success:
-Lose all talent on team to retirement and free agency.
-Call it a day.

by Wayward Llama on Mar 18, 2010 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

This is interesting

But I can’t wait to see your analysis on Whitehurst.

6/14/40. Sweet.

by Nick Andron on Mar 18, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I think John said he will just wait for PreSeason

Due to the lack of film on him. Could be wrong though.

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 18, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am working on it.

My 256 DVD wallet of game tape is missing. This is not good.

by John Morgan on Mar 18, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh crap.

Sorry, John. That sucks. Good luck on the search.

by Chirp on Mar 18, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blame the cat.

Generally what I do. And by cat I mean girlfriend.

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 18, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Picking Berry scares me

I love the idea of acquiring elite talent, but at least 2 of our cornerstone positions need upgrading. Picking this early in the draft, it seems that we HAVE to address left tackle at the least. If Curry can turn the corner (heh) into a good pass rusher; and if Whitehurst can show something at QB, we might have the luxury then of filling other positions.

by ColumbiaRob on Mar 18, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Columbia Rob,

I meant to say how much I enjoyed your discussion the other day, but you already left before I could post. One of the few rational viewpoints on Whitehurst, and I appreciated it.

As far as LT, I can’t see Okung getting past Detroit/KC/Washington, and I don’t see anyone else worth taking prior to 14, so using 6 on Berry would be a definite possibility. Adding elite talent in the secondary (and I consider Berry/Haden/Thomas in that category) could really help Seattle.

I suspect, though, that one of the elite DTs will be there (Suh/McCoy), and that might provide even more value so I suspect that is the pick.

If so, taking Haden or Thomas at 14 would solidify the secondary for many years, but that leaves out the possibility of drafting one of the top LTs, so might not be worth the trade off.

by Hawksince77 on Mar 18, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm absolutely dying for a playmaker

someone that is a threat to score on any given play. If we don’t get Spiller we might keep our eye on Jahvid Best in the 2nd round. Speed on the offense was sorely lacking last year.

by ColumbiaRob on Mar 18, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have seen Best rated above Spiller...

…so I suspect he is long gone by 60. Mathews also. Perhaps they will use some of the 4th rounders to move up in the second to get one of these guys, I don’t know.

by Hawksince77 on Mar 18, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have too

his injuries are worrisome though. I’ve got to hit the road now, talk to you later!

by ColumbiaRob on Mar 18, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Appreciate the compliment

And it did revolve around Tapp. It’s usually best to try and think about these things from multiple view points, and not get too worked up over them. Everything trends toward the median in the end anyway.

You’re probably right that we can address LT at 14, there look to be several good ones after Okung. If we were to upgrade the secondary, I would prefer Haden over Berry personally. Elite corners seem to be the rarer resource. And I think it goes without saying that if McCoy or Suh were on the board at the sixth spot, we’d all hope Schneider wastes no time snatching either one up.

by ColumbiaRob on Mar 18, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haden might slip to 14, especially if Berry and McCoy are there at 6...

…and Seattle takes the DT. With his slow 40 time at the combine (although he did better at his pro-day) maybe he slips a bit, and that could be a huge pick up at 14.

If Gibbs does his magic and they don’t feel (unlike the rest of us) that they don’t need one of the top LTs, then 14 could be used for a skilled player, on offense or defense.

by Hawksince77 on Mar 18, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watched Haden's pro day closely

The combine 40’s were a fluke, he had terrible form. He’s the real deal.

by ColumbiaRob on Mar 18, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I may be one of the few who would not mind Berry at 6

Especially with the signing of Whitehorse. But I have a suspicion that KC will draft him. There were a crap-ton of KC employees (including Crennel) at Tenn’s ProDay.

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 18, 2010 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Plus

He has his own rap. How many people besides Beast Mode can claim that?

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 18, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm OK with Berry.

From what I expect to happen, (and I’m no expert) McCoy or Berry will be there at pick 6, and worthy of that pick. We could use either of them, and should grab one. Clausen is a possibility if Washington passes on him, and I’m a bit frightened at the possibility of Clausen, but at least it’s a gamble for the most important position on the field.

 With pick 14, if we don’t trade out of it, I’d like to see an offensive tackle (Charlie Brown seems like a good fit) a safety if we didn’t get Berry (Thomas?) a defensive end (Morgan if he’s still available?) or a “playmaker” like Spiller.

I think just about any combination of these picks could wind up being a good start to the draft. Though Clausen/Mays would leave me crying…

by Chirp on Mar 18, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm withya there.

If McCoy is there at 6 ( I doubt it), we take him or I hate this franchise more. McCoy/Berry and Brown at 14 would make me giddy. A trade back and Brown + a pick would make me almost forgive the run of recent ridiculous retardedness.

by DJ C-Raig on Mar 18, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind either

but I’d much rather grab McCoy or Suh… even if it means trading up.

by A-Dog on Mar 18, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's definitely a push in KC for him

But they’ve been looking deeper in the draft at his position too. There’s talk of trading down out of the #5 pick.

by Supersport on Mar 22, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I sincerely queston the sanity

of anyone who thinks we don’t need to address safety early in this draft. I think the prospect of entering the season with our current crop of safeties is laughable. One of the top three safeties in this draft is a Hawk come April. Book it.

by Kevaru on Mar 18, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I consider myself sane, here's my reasons for no Safety

Without a pass rush a great secondary can be suspect and under perform. Without an offense that can score points a pass defense can be avoided. Our pass rush is worse without Tapp and we have no offense as of right now. We have many other positions that I feel contribute more to a team winning (QB, DT, DE) that need to be addressed.

That being said I wouldn’t be disappointed if we took Berry, I’d actually be excited but I would not be disappointed if we passed on him either.

by Hancock.Brett on Mar 18, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kevaru, just to clarify, the top three being Berry, Thomas and Mays?

While I don’t disagree, and think that the premier talent at the top of this draft is in the secondary (Berry/Haden/Thomas – I don’t consider Mays in that company) my understanding is that this is a deep safety draft, and starting-quality safeties may be available in later rounds. Same for CB.

Not sure who that would be, just saying….

by Hawksince77 on Mar 18, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Berry/Thomas/Mays

Mays will be gone in first. Someone will take a chance on him. Even though you or I might not be his biggest fan, someone will take a chance on him and that person, like it or not, could be Carroll.

by Kevaru on Mar 18, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see your point however

I’m hoping that blitzing will improve under Carroll and especially with how he utilizes his linebackers. I agree that DE is in need of an upgrade but I feel the fall off from Tapp to LoJack is not as great as the margin between Grant and a 37 year old safety (Milloy) or an undrafted player who hasn’t really played since 2008 (Adams). Our best safety is a converted corner who was forced into the position through lack of better talent (Babs is always a gamer though). Something serious has to be done at this position and soon as in a starter who can step in day one.

Best case scenario is that Carroll/Schneider can orchestrate a trade-down in the first to acquire more picks in the first few rounds so that the many urgent needs can be addressed.

by Kevaru on Mar 18, 2010 5:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Kevaru

That’s why taking McCoy or Suh at 6 (one of them will likely/possibly be available) improves both the pass rush and run defense. If that is the pick, a safety has to be taken later. Thomas should be there at 14, and I for one would love that combination for the defense, but not sure if it can be justified.

by Hawksince77 on Mar 18, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Curry works out as a defensive end.

Elephant is a defensive end, right? I figure if Curry goes DE and we got McCoy/Suh for DT, that’d be a net improvement in our defense. It’d have to be, right?

by Chirp on Mar 18, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has Carroll confirmed this

I thought he said Seattle would stick to a 4-3.

by John Morgan on Mar 18, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize that Elephant was a 3-4 thing.

I know Carroll has been saying that we’re not really 4-3 or 3-4, we’re doing different stuff in different situations…which probably means we’ll stay a 4-3 with an occasional 3-4 look. shrugs I’m new to this posting thing…I’ll ge there.

Can we use Curry as a Rhino, then? Is that a “thing?”

by Chirp on Mar 18, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Elephant is typically a pass rusher that roves.

Seifert ran a 3-4, but I think called it a 4-3 with a stand up end. Stupid football jargon. Charles Haley was the original “elephant”.

My understanding is that if Seattle is using Curry as an Elephant, it would rush Curry and have three other down linemen. Curry would be counted among the down linemen by Carroll, but the look would appear to be a 3-4 to the rational, non-jargon-addled viewer. And if this is all true, I have no idea exactly how Seattle will fill out its line, and, specifically, what position Brandon Mebane will play.

by John Morgan on Mar 18, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the clarification.

I found this write-up about it, and it pretty much says what you just said, but using a lot of football jargon to say it. Until we hear what’s going on, I don’t really know WHAT sort of defense we’ll be running.

by Chirp on Mar 18, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe Carrol said they could play a "4-3 with 3-4 personnel"

In which case Curry would essentially replace Tapp at weakside DE, even if he sets up in a 2-point stance.

by A-Dog on Mar 18, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love that scenario

I think the 5 teams above the Hawks would be insane to pass on McCoy or Suh though.
Also, II’ve thought for a long time that O-line was priority one. But with Grant and Tapp being let go and with no talent being brought in to replace them. I would be happy with straight defence in the first.

by Kevaru on Mar 18, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the DTs may be there at six if...

…the Rams take Bradford and Detroit takes Okung, both of which seem highly probably (although certainly not certain). That leaves Tampa taking their choice of DT (Suh or McCoy), Washington drafting either Clausen, an OT or Berry (maybe the second DT, but for some reason don’t think so) and KC taking OT or Berry.

But trades could happen, so who knows.

by Hawksince77 on Mar 18, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is certain.

Some of their free agency moves “look” like they may be filling defensive tackle holes. People are assuming that either a defensive tackle or an offensive tackle will go to Detroit. If you assume they no longer “need” a defensive tackle (and that’s an assumption that can be made, though they could still use a major UPGRADE over their free agent signing in Suh or McCoy) then you’d assume offensive tackle.

Another option is a defensive end like JPP, though Suh/McCoy seem to be “surer things” for whatever that’s worth.

I’m not saying they’ll take offensive tackle, but it’s possible. I know the team claims to be happy with their current Left OT (Baccus?) but an upgrade might keep Stafford alive.

by Chirp on Mar 18, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Detroit drafting Okung...

…just seems to make the most sense, from the outside looking in. Having the chance to take the highest rated LT in the draft, really the only consensus concerning the position, and given the positional value (second only to QB), and given their moves in FA, and given their overall number one from last year in a franchise QB, you would have to wonder why they wouldn’t take Okung.

Having said all that, it is Detroit, so who knows?

by Hawksince77 on Mar 19, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Incidentally, Eric Berry sprained his big toe during his pro day.

Not a big deal, probably. But considering how durable Grant was, it makes it that much more annoying that the #1 guy to replace him just hurt himself when he was running drills on a field with no defense.

by sev79 on Mar 18, 2010 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Please don't ask that again

It hurts so much because it just might happen. Mays will out “Hammer” Kenny. Just don’t ask him to cover anyone or wrap up.

BTW, I heard Carroll is shopping Brandon Mebane for a more experienced veteran that better fits his scheme in a package deal to get our 3rd rounder back.

OK, I jest. I jest.

by IslandHawk on Mar 18, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think Berry is a more likely pick, not Mays.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Mar 18, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

And even Earl Thomas.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Mar 18, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to be clear I would much rather see us get Berry or Thomas than Mays

The reference to Hamlin was meant to be slightly sarcastic (emphasis on the big showy hit versus actual strong fundamental play — much like modern NBA basketball, but I digress)

by IslandHawk on Mar 18, 2010 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

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