Seahawks Mock Draft: Building a Better Charlie
Charlie Whitehurst is not particular in any way that should preclude building an offense that works for him but will also work for another quarterback. His greatest weakness is pocket awareness, and that emphasizes building a strong pass blocking line. His greatest strength, that is, relative to his type, is short range accuracy. A lot of athletic, strong-armed quarterbacks never learn how to properly check down, and Whitehurst looks capable of delivering an accurate touch pass underneath.
This draft is designed to build around Whitehurst, but also the Whitehurst prototype. To accomplish that, every pick is geared towards adding talent to the offense. This is not meant to accurately reflect how the Seahawks will draft, only some players they could target, and a goal they could have.
All players are picked within ten spots of their ranking as provided by NFL Draft Scout.
6. C.J. Spiller: Whitehurst knows how to hit the underneath man, and maybe with a little time and patience, will understand how to outlet out of pressure. It would help Whitehurst immensely if Seattle could add a player that can give the Seahawks passing yards without air yards. Spiller is a dangerous receiver, and splitting carries with Justin Forsett, a sort of tempest in a teapot thunder and lightning. If Forsett can continue to show inside power, and Spiller prove his ability to slash at the edges, only a short yardage rusher would be needed to fill out the Seahawks running back committee. A good running game sets up play action, and play action is a simple but extremely effective kind of passing attack.
14. Trent Williams: Russell Okung has established himself as the best tackle in his class, and a worthy top five pick. Detroit needs someone to protect their own pocket-presence challenged quarterback. Washington needs every offensive lineman it can sign. So I do not see Okung slipping to six. Trent Williams at fourteen is possible, and potentially as valuable.
Williams is undervalued for the wrong reasons. Despite being the most athletically gifted member of the vaunted Sooners offensive line, he played right tackle for most of his career. He even played some center in the Sun Bowl. That speaks to a team-first attitude and the overall quality of Oklahoma's line, not Williams' inadequecies. He was showing marked in-season growth at left tackle and has excellent tools and size for the position.
He is a quick learner with versatility. Williams is not polished yet at left tackle, but for an accomplished offensive lineman with some of the purest tools in the draft, that should be a doable conversion. I think Williams fits the sweet spot for athletic talent, technique, effort and health. If he can buy Whitehurst a beat before pressure arrives, he could save Seattle from fumbles and injuries. If he can slide out and become an excellent screen-pass blocker, he could further reduce the pressure put on Whitehurst.
60. Anthony McCoy: McCoy is a huge, sure handed tight end with decent speed and excellent potential. Seattle might seem backlogged at tight end, but as the loosening passing game deemphasizes speed and correspondingly emphasizes the ability to box out and control a position, players like McCoy become viable slot receivers, and deadly out of bunch packages. A two-tight end set with John Carlson and McCoy would give Seattle excellent run-pass flexibility, and Whitehurst a simpler, more forgiving set of progressions. McCoy is an excellent receiver for a quarterback that passes around his target. He not only should snag some errant passes, but help shield incomplete passes from finding a defender.
Perhaps most importantly, McCoy strengthens the Seahawks rushing attack, and by being both a sound run blocker and good receiver, gives Whitehurst another versatile weapon in play action.
104. Jordan Shipley: A skilled route-runner that can be trusted to finish his routes, and a good set of hands, Shipley is a developing quarterback's best friend. Shipley does not have tremendous upside from a tools standpoint, and his pro windows will be smaller, but if Whitehurst is looking for someone to develop trust with, that won't demand the ball or quit on him, Shipley is the kind of receiver that can move around, surface as a primary read and help move the chains.
127. Selvish Capers: Seattle is gutting its offensive line, and it looks like only Max Unger and Sean Locklear fit the profile of an Alex Gibbs lineman. Capers is zone blocking approved, but concerns persist about his ability to capably man the blindside. His power is never likely to develop. Drafting Capers allows Seattle to move Locklear inside and potentially start a Williams-Locklear-Unger-X-Capers front five. That is not a lot of power, but it's a ton of quickness.
139. Dezmon Briscoe: Briscoe is another big bodied, position wide receiver that controls a zone and helps modestly accurate passers complete passes. Unlike Shipley, Briscoe is not made to order. He is the developing upside to Shipley's concrete ability. Briscoe could develop on his own, and develop chemistry with the Seahawks quarterback as the primary backup to T.J. Houshmandzadeh.
176. Jevan Snead: Snead isn't ruined; he is marred. Seattle adds another toolsy, modest upside slinger to complement and compete with toolsy, modest upside slinger Charlie Whitehurst. Snead could step in if Whitehurst fails, and hopefully the time spent developing can help him tap into his potential. Basically, adding Snead is adding a younger, cheaper and more talented Whitehurst, but one with further to develop before being functional.
213. LeGarrette Blount: The swinging sleeper that hit snooze is probably not the Jamal Lewis clone many hoped, but he is a powerful inside presence with long strider speed. Seattle adds another cog to its run game hoping to draw in safeties and clear passing lanes for Whitehurst.
245: Kyle Burhart: This is when you hope Gibbs genius can assert itself and find good talent in the rubbish pile. Any player that falls this far has red flags, and Burkhart is a tad slim, a tad weak, and most recently, suffered a torn labrum. Luckily, a little weak and a little slim doesn't hurt a Gibbs guard, and a torn labrum is small beans for an offensive lineman. He's quick and studious and certainly looks the part.
93 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I would love to pick up Jevan Snead at the bottom of the draft
Definite project who probably won’t pan out, but definitely has some potential.
Seems like Mike Teel 2
Also a once-highly-regarded prospect who hadn’t performed up to expectations in college. Although Teel had probably fallen compltely out of the draft halfway through his senior year, then re-emerged as a prospect in the second half of the season; Snead has just been dropping steadily, but fell from a higher perch.
by Suburban Shocker on Mar 25, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If Spiller is the choice
I’ll have no complaints, but ideally I’d like to see the team move down a few notches, take him in the 8-10 range and snag an extra pick somewhere. I can see a minor bidding war emerging for the #6 if Clausen is still around and teams think Holmgren wants him at #7.
by Suburban Shocker on Mar 25, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions
Could be.
But then McCoy, Berry or Okung will be available, which isn’t a total loss.
by Suburban Shocker on Mar 25, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading down
Anyway, this “bidding war” scenario of mine assumes that the FO knows how to negotiate and maximize the value of its assets, which they haven’t given me much reason to believe. For what it’s worth, the trade value table says moving down from #6 to #10 should net you the #60 pick, which… well, they already have that particular pick, but something in that range. Moving down from #6 to #8 gets you a mid-third.
by Suburban Shocker on Mar 25, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you think Holmgren wants Clausen?
He’s said pretty explicity he’s not wild about him. I mean I understand smokescreens and such before the draft, but I don’t think you’d take it that far. It’d be pretty awkward to say the least if the Browns picked Clausen now.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 25, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he wants him exactly because he explicitly said he's not wild about him.
This is the time for posturing, rumor-mongering, and deception.
And Delhomme and Seneca Wallace are his Quarterbacks.
He’s got to do something. Maybe Clausen, maybe a different rookie QB.
Why is Snead more talented?
You have him at draft position #176, while CW was #81. Was the 2006 draft that bad a year for quarterbacks and that is how you are trying to equate them, or are you saying that this QB coming out of college has more talent than a veteran, and I use the word loosely.
Might help if you explain how you differentiate between "talent" and "ability"
because to a lot of people, these are more or less the same thing. I’m guessing ability has to do with existing tools whereas talent has to do with athletic potential, but it’s vague.
I think he is trying to say Snead has more athletic aptitude (straight from Merriam-Webster),
but I could be wrong. I would call this potential upside I guess.
His head for the game doesn't yet match his physical skills (which are pretty awesome).
I love his release and how his spins the ball. If he develops and has time to be developed, he could be very special. He has a long way to go, though.
Snead has great athletic tools
Like a great arm and all that, he’s just not actually good at playing quarterback, relatively speaking. Similiar to what you would say about Jamarcus Russell (not that Snead is doomed to the same career, just that he’s a major, major project).
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 25, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I see the Hawks trading back with one of the 1st rounders
really we need bodies. I do not see the Hawks taking a CJ Spiller or an OT that early. I could see spiller at 14 and trading the 6 for more picks. It would be nice to get that 3rd rounder back
I've divorced myself from the idea that the Front Office shares the same opinions of the team that we do.
by abender20 on Mar 25, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Also, (and not picking on you specifically) what is with the common obsession with recovering the third-rounder?
There’s this notion that our draft is incomplete because we don’t have that pick and should make strides to get it back. If there’s a chance to trade back and still get the same player, sure, adding extra picks is great. But people have advocated trading players “to get that third-round pick back” and it’s odd.
Yes, our 1st is the #6...
our 2nd rounder is the 14th overall, our third is #60, we have two fourths, etc. We’re actually ahead of most teams.
when you have as many needs as we do...
than having picks makes sense. If there are two players in the 1st round that we just can’t live without, than by all means, take them. I’m not sure we are going to be in that position. Definately not with Spiller at 6. My bet is he’ll be there at 14. And I’m not saying we’ll be able to trade back. We will need to find that team that see’s a player available that they can’t live without. To me mid 1st rounder (12-18th pick) + 3rd rounder > 6th pick
I've figured it out actually.
Before when we had pick #40, our next pick would have been roughly #110. That’s 70 picks between our two picks. If we have targeted a guy at around pick 80, we would have to either overpay, or trade to get there and it’s tougher to move 30 picks than it is just 10. Having a pick every 30 or so picks is just convenient if a guy you want is around where you are but you have to trade up to get him (or think he’ll be there 10 picks later so you trade down and still get your guy).
I'd be happiest with trading down, unless...
we could get Spiller and Trent Williams! Suddenly trading down doesn’t sound so good. I really want Trent Williams in a Seahawks uniform next year. And Spiller? Well, hell, Make My Day! This would be a great draft.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
Isn't Whitehurst's upside Jake Plummer?
He certainly looks the part
I'm stoked to see who you take
over at Mocking the Draft. You’re on the clock!
Hah
Well, that’ll easily be the lowest rated top 10 pick of the SB Nation Roundtable. Talk about a horrible pick.
by Thomas Beekers on Mar 25, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry reply to farmer cam
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 25, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for the pic...
it is all starting to make sense now.
I love this draft
Spiller, Williams, Shipley and Snead? oh yeah. it’s on.
And the great depth of this running back class
Blount’s not that special, even without all of the other factors.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 25, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm surprised you didn't take Gerhart
I was really getting into his 2 yards and a cloud of dust style from the McCoy write-up.
Fun, exciting possibilities!
Snead would be a fine pickup that I think goes far earlier. If we had Snead waiting in the wings behind Whitehurst, I’d be thrilled.
Some have spoken of us drafting Spiller at 6. That feels weird, but also exciting. How much did Chris Johnson help the Titans’ offense? I imagine he could have a similarly transformative effect if other players are drafted to support the offense like was detailed here.
While true, Johnson greatly improved one aspect of the team. The offense.
And now they can get by without a prolific passer or passing-game.
Except they can't
Johnson set the record for all-purpose yards, but the Titans had a middle of the road offense.
by John Morgan on Mar 26, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Strangely enough, this kind of draft could help the defense.
Our small D got worked over the last couple of years because the O was unable to keep the ball. If somehow our O gets to middle-of-the-pack, our D may look BETTER this year without adding a single player.
Perhaps, with this all-drafting-O strategy, a few quality FA signings would help?
*shudders*
I have trouble enough wrapping my head around people being excited about Spiller at 14 when we have so many needs this draft is better suited to address while multiple 2nd round or later RB choices look enticing, but 6th overall? Holy Frith on a bicycle, what a nightmare.
John just single handedly blew up Mocking the Draft
And it was hilarious. Is Ninjasocks still banned? ’Cause that dude seems like a shit head.
Seriously, that got out of hand on the quick.
But the pick made sense to me. If I have learned anything these past few weeks it’s that I have no idea what the Q/PM* will do.
*-credit goes to abender20.
It's pretty funny that he's running to any blog that cares to tell them John is being childish because he's still upset over being banned nearly a year ago.
ninjasocks was banned in November.
It wasn’t that long ago.
"BANG!" - Jim Lampley's first word as a child
by SSreporters on Mar 26, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It was the 49ers/Bears game where Cutler threw 5 INTs
I think that game ended 10-6 or something like that.
"BANG!" - Jim Lampley's first word as a child
Good memory.
After he called me the “blogfather” I decided it wasn’t likely he would chill out and stop trolling for things to snipe at me about. Well, this was the comment where I was pretty sure, but the “blogfather” snipe was the clincher.
This is the time of year when all the mock drafts have basically finished reinforcing one another
And all the mock draft junkies — who consider themselves experts by sheer volume of time spent reading mock drafts — have established in their heads exactly which players should be valued where. Based on… what the consensus of mock drafts has been telling them. And the feedback loop continues.
If anyone comes along and suggests a pick that doesn’t fit the groupthink pattern, they assume it’s somehow a violation of fair play. Even if the pick would actually make sense for the team.
I’m totally generalizing here, but I think some fans can get a little carried away with the mock drafting phenomenon.
And I think Taylor Mays is a great example
A year ago he was a top 5, top 10 kind of pick if he’d declared early. Everybody seemed to want him.
A year later, a few people suggest his stock is sliding and suddenly everyone knows he’s a late first-rounder at best. Everyone knows he’s gonna be a huge bust.
And maybe he’s a top 5 pick. And maybe he’s a second-round pick. I don’t know. But I doubt NFL teams are moving him all around their board based on the latest wave of Internet mock drafts.
Not saying I’d take him at #6… but it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Neither is him going at #5. Or #4. It only takes one team falling in love.
Here's what I don't get
a few months ago, EVERYONE had us taking Mays because 1 he went to USC and 2 we had a hole at Safety (and this was before we cut Grant). Then people slowly rationalized and talked their way out of it because enough of them decided he was over rated and PC wouldn’t just be lazy and pick his USC guys. So now it is blasphemy to suggest we take Mays when a month or so ago it was crazy that we’d take anyone else.
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
Be snooty about it all you want
But if you don’t want to take a mock draft seriously, say “Sorry, I don’t care for this, I decline.”
Kicking in other people’s sandcastles and then acting all shocked when they start to cry is ludicrous.
by Thomas Beekers on Mar 26, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not crazy about the first round picks.
As much as I like Spiller I would have a hard time justifying taking him at 6. But… Spiller! And the rest of the draft would be awesome.
Pretty much how I felt.
John’s explanation made sense to me, and I don’t think he would be there at 14. Trent Williams, Capers, AND Spiller? Awesome. I would feel the same if Berry was substituted for Spiller, and I would be ecstatic if we got McCoy instead.
Likewise
An all-offense draft is fun (and I realize it’s to illustrate who might be around at each pick) but it seems like this year the top talent leans toward the defensive side of the ball, which makes two top picks on offense look a little bit underwhelming in comparison.
At least that’s how I looked at it… on the other hand, the mid-round WR talent looks pretty interesting… would be nice to get some young receivers up in here.
Basically the last few weeks
Has let so many holes get into this team that it’s going to be really difficult to determine what exactly is an ideal first round. I think Spiller will get selected between 7 and 13 if they don’t pick him at #6. Julius Jones is instant cut material and despite the fact that he’s inexpensive he’s also not going to be part of Seattle’s rebuilding future.
CJ Spiller is the RB that Forsett can complement and become even more dangerous in his backup role.
"BANG!" - Jim Lampley's first word as a child
by SSreporters on Mar 26, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we will be able to trade out of #6 if we want to
The top six is pretty well agreed on:
Bradford, Clauson, Berry, Suh, McCoy, Okung.
If I’m Seattle, I’m not sure I want Clauson or Berry or McCoy …
Any of those three that slip here are going to have their favorites.
Maybe we can get the 49ers 1st and 3rd for the #6?
Best case scenario is that Okung slips to us (won’t happen) and we get him at #6 and then take Spiller at #14.
Having said all that, I’d be great with the first four picks going the way they are listed above.
Falcons, Seahawks, Huskers!
I would leap on Berry or McCoy
They’re both immense talents that fill or supplement huge needs on our roster. Why would you not want them?
Same for Okung.
by Thomas Beekers on Mar 26, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Love to get Blount that far down
…and building a team around a developing QB seems to have worked ok for Atlanta, Blatimore, the Jets, even the 49ers have a reasonable offensive attack with Davis and Gore helping Smith out. So Williams would be pretty nice at 14, as would Brown. What about LG? When is Iupati likely to go?
Iupati is a first round guard.
He’s probably the best offensive guard prospect in several drafts. No way he makes it past the top of the 2nd round, though I think he’s drafted within the 1st.
That sounds right.
He’s the only interior lineman I’ve heard anything about. Googling….Googling…
by BurtonOerney on Mar 26, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
If we're looking at Chester Pitts and Ben Hamilton...
…it might make more sense to bring in LG and LT at the same time. Let them develop together along with Spiller and Blount.
by BurtonOerney on Mar 26, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Gibbs doesn't like starting rookies.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 26, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
We're pretty well stocked inside.
But if Sims and Spencer go to Denver for Marshall, we’re left with Wrotto, Vallos and two depth guys.
I don't know where you got that rumor (as I've been avoiding most Seahawks rumors as of late)
But if that happens I’m pretty sure I’d light most of the city on fire.
"BANG!" - Jim Lampley's first word as a child
by SSreporters on Mar 26, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing but a rumor.
Seattle Seahawks Rob Sims may help the team acquire Brandon Marshall
Published by Northwest Football.Net (Feed) on March 21, 2010
by BurtonOerney on Mar 26, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Trent Williams at left tackle?
Sorry, John, but no thanks. I do agree that he is talented, but his ability to play left tackle does not match up with his talent. Given the amount of national exposure that the Sooners get, I’ve watched a lot of Sooners game. Maybe because it was his first year playing left tackle, it held him back a bit. But I did not see a dominant left tackle. I do admit though, given more time, he might be great at that side. I say that because most of his troubles came in the first third of the season though, and he had improved considerably towards the end of the season.
He dominated at right tackle, where he made 25 of his start (but he also had Phil Loadholt and Duke Robinson on the left side, which made life easier for him (but that’s not to take away from his own ability, which is tremendous). I do think that he is probably more talented than Loadholt (Robinson, I don’t think so, but I wont try to quantify that), but by and large, when I saw Williams play left tackle, I saw someone who was at times slow to adjust against the pass rush than he was on the right side. I’ve seen opponents who edge outside of him initially, being able to beat him inside with a quick step, similar to basketball players who have a tremendous crossover. I’ve also seen when opponents who if they gain on him with their third step, Williams has a good deal of trouble recovering. That’s a given for a lot of tackles, but I’d find that a concern for him heading into the Pro’s.
But if the Seahawks are high on him, I hope he plays the right side.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
Basically, the premise of what I'm saying is that I'm not sure Williams would be the best option at OT if we're talking about building an offense for Whitehurst
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 26, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a "thought experiment" draft
As in “what if…” or “let’s see…” It’s all offense because it aims only to support Aragorn’s skillset.
I like mock drafts like these better than serious mocks. They give a new perspective and ground for debate.
by Thomas Beekers on Mar 26, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
6 is too high for Spiller
That high in the draft you want as few question marks as possible, and I think there’s a lot of question marks surrounding this guy. Yes, he is in many ways similar to Chris Johnson coming out of college, but there’s a long history of smallish backs getting pounded into injury problems – CJ’s the exception, not the rule.
Besides, even if he’s the real deal we have no team built around him. We need STARTERS! how can you spend the 6th pick on a situational player?
The Odenphant is true king of the jungle.

by 




































