If you were making 6, 14, 40 today what would you do?
by Generzal Zod on Mar 3, 2010 2:01 PM PST
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PrintAssuming all the scenarios being discussed on most blogs are accurate (Bradford to the Rams, Suh to the Lions, McCoy to the Bucs, Okung/Williams going to Redskins and Chiefs). The rules for this are no trades because who predict what will happen there.
6: Spiller
14: Charles Brown
40: Bruce Campbell
I would make the choices assuming we are picking mid-round next year, and that the Rams, Bucs, Lions, and Chiefs will still be in the top 5. Our defense ranges from okay to pretty good, next year is the year we can make a bad ass defense. This year I think the biggest favor we can do for our defense is give them an offense that can put up points.
I am just not sold on any of these QB's at least until we know that we can protect whoever starts for us. Matt used to be a good QB but our line has made him awful, I'd rather protect him, and try to enter the Locker sweepstakes next year. If we take a QB to sit I am the most comfortable with Canfield in round 5. When Matt gets banged up in week 5 next year, I think Canfield can come in midseason next year and perform better than Seneca Wallace with a good running game and decent protection.
Spiller's speed makes him special and from what I can tell he seems to be a good receiver too. I think Matt could really use an emergency valve check down target on the field with him at all times. Charles Brown has a lot of experience and this a place where Carroll's knowledge of a player's strengths will pay off. Bruce Campbell has the size, speed, and strength but lacks the experience, I think know would be the time for him to go to RT.
Our Husky fans would be happy to know that this scenario also allows us to take Te'o in round 4.
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I'll probably be killed for this but..
6: Anthony Davis
14: C.J. Spiller
40. Tim Tebow
Yes, I said Tebow. My reasoning – I think he can immediately come in and be an upgrade over Seneca Wallace. He has all of Wallace’s athletecism and none of the brain farts. I know his delivery is wank, but if you can learn something, it can also be unlearned (refined). I think Matt’s got a year or two left while we rebuild and don’t mind taking a flier on a ++ athlete in the second round. If he looks terrible during the next season, then we go balls out for QB next year.
And who knows
Teel might develop while we’re at it.
I would rather take
McCoy over Tebow … But that is just me.
In a ideal draft
6. Bulaga or Davis … I think Bulaga would be a better fit
14. Spiller
40. Clausen (assuming he fell that far) If not, the best DL on the board
you think?
I don’t watch the preseason so I don’t know anything about him. I figured they would have put him out there last year to see what skill set he actually had. I don’t know if that was a lack of confidence or Mora being short sighted.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
Regarding Mora
I think his greatest disservice to this team was not giving Teel some run during the end of the season when it was hopeless. What I saw was a QB with alot of tools, but very unpolished. I think he could develop into something like a Matt Moore, but we won’t know for sure until he’s tested.
He's got the size and the arm
I think the other thing he did was to isolate Spencer, hopefully Carroll, Bates, and Gibbs are working on fixing that.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
I thought about putting Tebow at 40.
He’ll work hard and he wouldn’t clash with Matt. I really like his work ethic and he has the skills if he can fix the throwing and working under center.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
Nice discussion piece, when it's framed like this.
I’m betting that Bruce Campbell will be a top 10 pick, though. The idea of 2 tackles isn’t bad, though.
I'm not comfortable with with Clausen yet, but I'd take him if I had to make the choice today....
6. jimmy clausen
14. Charles Brown
40. It’s really hard to project who will be available at 40, but I’d say either the best WR on the board, maybe Williams from Syracuse, or Tate, or the best RB, although I’m not sure where they project to go, but maybe Gerhart or McKnight (if we can’t trade the pick to Denver for Brandon Marshall)
I think it is possible that the Rams and Redskins both take QBs, if that happens I’d want Derrick Morgan at six. I’d be really tempted by Berry, but it’s just so much money to invest at safety, I’d rather spend on the line. Then next year if we’re not in a position to draft a QB, I’d try and get Jason Campbell (after looking at him in Shannahan’s offense, since we’ll be running a very similar one).
I'm pretty much stuck on:
6. Clausen
14. Brown
40. Houston
If the top 2 QBs and top 2 DTs are taken by pick 6, I’d advocate a trade down even if it were at a deep discount.
For 14, I’d advocate a trade down to pick 18-22 if they felt that Brown would still be available.
For RB, if Julius Jones is cut, then I’d rather just sign a FA like Thomas Jones for two years rather than use a 4th on Ben Tate (should he be available).
I wouldn't be disappointed if this how the first two rounds went
I have this pipe dream of getting Locker in 2011.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
Probably the FG consensus
If you had to put one together.
Exactly what I was going to choose
including trading down from 14. If QB isn’t available at #6 then things would change quite a bit. That would probably mean Okung or Berry are available and either would be a good choice for Seattle. Without a QB, probably looking at OT, DL and WR with those picks and would still love to trade down with #14.
At #40 I would also be happy if there were a WR as Seattle will probably choose two in this draft. If there is any way to recoup a third rounder in a trade down, there are some very good RB that should be around.
It'd be kind of a slap in the face to
cut Julius then go after his brother. Anyway, I’d definitely be onboard with these picks.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Mar 4, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I have the sinking feeling that both QBs will be gone by pick 6.
And that Houston will be gone before pick 40.
In which case I’d strongly argue for a trade down in both cases, unless the team wants to be so bold as to draft Tebow at #40 (a project I’d be willing to experiment with) though a Sean Canfield in round 5 or 6 would be ok too.
McCoy at 40
yay or nah? If both Bradford and Clausen are gone by 6 I’m trading down like crazy and then again at 14.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
OK, so Okung's gone in your scenario, eh.
Bummer. Okung and Clausen would be such a coup.
6. Clausen.
14. Bruce Campbell by a hair over Charles Brown. Brown a better fit, less risk. But our tackle will be with us longer than Alex Gibbs will. Much higher upside.
40. Damian Williams, SC WR.
Hopefully trade up for Houston or Alualu. But not at 40.
I'm hoping for
6. Bradford/Clausen
14. Charles Brown
40. Best RB available
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"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
Really? No DTs picked for the Seahawks here?
Some people talk about Need or BPA when it comes to draft strategies, but I prefer the Impact school of thought….if the best player available was a linebacker, the impact on our team would be minimal, considering the talent we have there. However, there are other positions that we have depth that could use an “impact player,” and other positions that could yeild us a player later in the draft that could still produce.
DT is pretty impactful position, and we are thin at the position at the moment, but the draft is pretty loaded at the position. Assuming Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Okung and Trent Williams are already gone, here are my 3 choices…
6. Eric Berry
We are thin at Saefty and our secondary has been mediocre at best for awhile; there’s also a chance Deon Grant could get cut. I think he makes a big impact on this team.
Then, in no particular order, I imagine Clausen, Spiller, Bulaga, Anthony Davis, Haden, Jason Pierre-Paul and Dez Bryant all get picked.
14. Bruce Campbell
A lot of people like going OT at #6, and in this scenario that probably would have been a good idea, because Campbell could be considered a reach (trading this pick would be nice, if possible). With Locklear and Willis (and Frye) we could wait on Campbell, and reap the rewards of his potential a little later on.
40. Lamarr Houston
No idea who’ll make it to 40 (but let’s say Colt McCoy is gone), but John has sold me on Houston; a running back here would be nice, but I believe a good one can still be found in the 4th or 5th round. We still need a young QB, but these 3 guys are too good to pass up.
Ditto.
I wouldn’t be upset with a stud like Berry, but I would become more concerned about our QB situation being pushed back even further.
We really should have chosen a QB last draft, or even the draft before last.
6/14/40. Sweet.
We did chose a QB last draft
I’m still holding out hope that Teel develops into something more than a third string spot holder.
It's easy for a fan to hold out hope
but management must be practical and we have nothing to support that Teel will ever become a franchise quarterback.
It's not one in a million
It’s just not practical. A team can’t punt on drafting a quarterback forever hoping to develop Keith Null.
Its kinda like buying a lotto ticket
You can hold out hope, but the odds are low that it will be the jackpot. But you never know until you check the numbers. When you do, it might not be the jackpot, but it might be on of the lesser prizes.
We haven’t checked on Teel yet. He’s probably not the jackpot, but he might be something worth investing some time in.
Is that a bad plan?
I just wish, like many, that we had played Teel the last two games of the season. It would clear up any fantasy thoughts.
Broadly, I wish they had too
but I also understand that if Teel was struggling in practice, Knapp would have little reason to think he would do better in a game.
I was bothered by what I heard about Knapp at the end of the season
When Hass still didn’t get what Knapp was trying to do with the offense, something is really wrong. They should have been at least close to on the same page at the begining of the season, so that they were settled by the end. That is nearly all on the coach.
This will draw some ire
6. Davis
14. Morgan
40. Tebow
I know this is a “no trades” scenario, and I’d be happy with Tebow at 40 to develop behind Hass for a year, but I’d also look at trading him to Jacksonville for their 2011 1st rounder AND a 4th or 5th rounder this year. Jacksonville doesn’t have a 2nd rounder, probably can’t trade down in the 1st to get one, and I think will be willing to make this move. We could use the extra 3rd day pick and I love having another 1st rounder in 2011.
Wouldn't us drafting Anthony Davis with Alex Gibbs as the line coach
be like us signing Flozell Adams to be our ZBSLT?
Or Ted Washington?
by jacobstevens on Mar 4, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but I'd hate it if we used a 2nd-round pick
on a quarterback who is STILL LEARNING HOW TO FUCKING THROW A FOOTBALL!
But hey, if Tebow fell to the 4th or 5th round…..eh, worth the risk. I don’t understand the obsession people have with the lesser version of Alex Smith.
For the most part, I don't have any issue with folks not wanting Tebow
not thinking he’ll work out. But this is often said. These statements about him learning to throw a ball tacitly suggest since it’s usually step 1 in learning to QB, he doesn’t know jack shit about playing QB. It’s really disingenuous. He may tuck & run too soon — like McNair did, early on — but otherwise these are pretty much his two weaknesses. He’s got football IQ, I mean that’s what we want, right? That, and accuracy, arm strength and touch. Check, check, check.
He’s risky, I mean he is downright risky. People have good reason, if they don’t think he’s a good pick. But come on. Let’s not pretend he doesn’t know what he’s doing out there.
by jacobstevens on Mar 4, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
He knows how to throw a football.
He’s just changing his mechanics, is all. Nothing alarming about that. Still, I’m not advocating drafting Tebow.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 6, 2010 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
Changing mechanics may not be that easy, despite what Tebow says
It’s fine and dandy in practice, and he can concentrate on it, but with real 300 lb men chasing him around while analyzing coverages, is he going to follow his training or revert back to base instinct (or the way he’s been throwing for the last ten years)?
I don’t know. Some people seem to think it’s easy, other people say it’s nearly impossible.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 6, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I just realized it looked like I was implying that changing your mechanics is somewhat easy.
So please forgive me.
What I was trying to contend with was that it’s not like doesn’t know how to throw a football. He does. He’s just adjusting his throwing mechanic, however difficult that may be. That doesn’t indicate that he has no knowledge of how to throw one.
I for one, don’t think it’s easy. Difficult, but not impossible. I actually advocate sticking to what works for you. Tebow’s previous mechanics weren’t exactly broken, they were just not elite. But it did work for him. I guess the question was whether it would work for him in the pro’s.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 6, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
No forgiveness needed, I didn't actually get the impression that's what you were saying
I got the impression from his interview that that’s what Tebow was saying. Or actually, that’s exactly what Tebow was saying, and many pundits were agreeing (though I remember someone disagreeing, not sure who). It’s certainly in his best interest for Tebow say that it’s easy, but whether or not this will be true, I’m not so sure.
As far as what you’re saying, I agree, I’m not sure how much it would really effect his game at this point anyway. Although screwing with what has always worked for him in the past has the potential to actually make things worse for him. Or maybe it will make him slightly better? Who knows at this point, but it’s a wildcard that teams ought to be aware of if not wary of.
I may have been a touch glib about Tebow before, as well
but how many quarterbacks do you know changed their throwing mechanics AFTER they left college, and wound up having a successful NFL career? I cannot think of one similar example to this in somewhat-recent NFL history, and would be concerned about using a 2nd round pick to find out the answer.
I don't know.
I’m also not sure if your question is relevant. We weren’t talking about the success of those who changed their mechanics after college, just the degree of wariness concerning the information about him changing his mechanics. I personally do not find it alarming. That said, I’m still not advocating drafting Tebow. I don’t want him.
Also, to a great degree, many quarterbacks coaches try to tinker with their quarterback’s mechanics, whether minor or to such a great degree that it would be considered an overhaul.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 7, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
The degree of change is difficult to say, but Romo changed his mechanics between spring practice and training camp his rookie season
He had the same QB coach as Tebow is using. I watched his workout tape and he has fixed the biggest mechanical issues and is learning to drop back read properly. Translating those mechanical fixes over to a game scenario is a different discussion, but the seahawks are going to get a private workout with him, which makes me think that we are at least considering targeting him.
First thing I thought of was
Aaron Rodgers. Maybe Vince Young as well.
I don’t know if he’s really changing it THAT much. Before he had more of a pitchers wind up where he’d start with the ball real low and wind up like a catapult (correct me if I’m wrong. Where’s now he’s starting with the ball being at his waist/rib cage height, and having a short compact throwing motion. the actual throw is still similar, it’s more of the preparation and timeline before the throw is changing. His accuracy, decision making, arm strength, etc should all be the same. (And I realize his decision making is in question coming from a gimmicky offense).
Ah, I remember now, thank you
After my last post I thought about it, and I felt certain that some QB from some wacky college program must have changed things up a bit before starting in the NFL. If Rodgers is truly an apt comparison, then maybe I shouldn’t be so negative about Tebow.
This issue deserves more investigation (at least on my part)..
hmm. I think I'm going to have to do 2 options.
1st choice
6- Berry
14 – JPP
40 – Ryan Matthews
2nd choice:
6- Clausen
14 – Charles Brown
40 – Benn
my issue with picking Berry
1. Safety won’t effect the direst needs of team with many dire needs!
2. Safety has less impact on a team just by its nature position
3. Berry’s legendary interceptions count won’t be repeated in NFL
You could have said the same thing about the Ravens
And they were happy with Ed Reed and Ray Lewis for most of the past decade. Granted, Reed was drafted much, MUCH lower than 6th overall, but I would not be unhappy if we got Berry at #6. Our secondary is still very mediocre at best, and with Babineaux and an aging Deon Grant we’re pretty thin at safety, to boot.
If Bradford and Clausen are gone by #6, we could do worse than Berry at #6 and Best LT Available at #14.
We would have 3 LBs and 1 safety at a very high price.
They let Edgarton Hartwell go. They also play in a 3-4, so Suggs is kind of a DE/LB.
Good point, as well
In that scenario, could the Seahawks let go of Leroy Hill, and let Hawthorne start? I’ve heard Hill’s contract is pretty team-friendly…..I don’t know. Yes, we need a lot of help on offense, but the secondary is also a problem, too.
Again, if both Clausen and Bradford are gone by #6, who do we take at #14 if we take a LT at #6? If we take a LT at #14, then who should we take at #6? Berry looks a lot more attractive than some of the other options that could be available.
I like the Clausen, Brown, Houston but...
This things going all offense.
6: Bradford (Basically one of the two QBs)
14: Spiller
40: Brown
Basically I think our top 3 are QB, OT, RB/WR. Its just hard to see where the defense is without any kind of meaningful offense.
So just incase Bradford and Clausen are gone.
6: Okung
14: Spiller
40: McCoy (Or whoever creeps up into that high second area. Snead?)
There seems to be six guys at the top of everyones list
I guess the Hawks will take whomever is there. I’ve been starting to really get into the idea of getting Bradford. I’ve soured on Clausen quite a bit and the talk of Okung is so back and forth I don’t know what to think about him.
14. I watched Spiller’s highlights and I didn’t see anything that impressed me. Watching James and Blount for Oregon makes outrages and amazing moves in their time and Oregon makes me think Spiller’s lack of moves isn’t going to translate. Sure I could be wrong and really want a great return man in Seahawk… whatever color that is and many think he’s the best guy for that job too. But I really don’t see it at RB.
So who? I want line help at 14. I want line help at 6 too but we just really need a new and superstar QB pronto.
40: LaGarret Blount
Unless we can snag him later but I don’t think he drops below 3 no matter the past. I think whether he gets picked by us or not will be based on his interviews. He’s got the skills and NFL body, his personality and how the braintrust thinks he’ll mesh will decide this story.
Which 6?
As for RB, there are a few RBs I like, Haresty, McKnight, Tate, Blunt, Gerhart, one of them might fall to the 4th. I’d rather wait for that then overdraft at #40. There seem to be quite a few decent RBs in FA this year too, and Forsett isn’t exactly nothing. I hate when mock drafts say ‘Jones and Forsett? The Seahawks need a RB’, no we don’t. It’d be nice to have a third one, or if Jones is cut, to have a complement to Forsett, but we don’t need a RB, or at least not a 15-20 carries per game guy.
Oh, and I'm not picking on you, just most mock drafters that aren't familiar with the Seahawks.
The Seahawks have nothing at running back. They absolutely can’t go back to Julius Jones for another full season. Despite coming from a rival school, Jahvid Best is a perfect fit for Pete Carroll’s West Coast offense.
This is from Walterfootball. It’s as if Forsett doesn’t even exist, and anyone who played fantasy football (so pretty much everyone) knows that he was pretty good. Jones isn’t bad either, especially for a two back system.
I originally thought that that we really didn't need a RB
but then started believing what everyone else seemed to be saying.
I think what we need is an affective O line. You can get by with a average athlete back there if the line opens holes.
So I’m in agreement really that if we get a running back we wait til later.
I’ve never played fantasy football but sometimes I fantasize about doing so.
DrEaMiNg...
Oh if I were playing fantasy football I would pick the best most productive players…
I would probably enjoy fantasy football, so many people do, but I waist so much time paying attention to sports that I can’t condone slotting anymore to it.
PS. I’m freaking out about maybe losing our first round pick to Denver for a disgruntled receiver. AAAAAAAGGGGHHHHRRRR
by Blazersaurus on Mar 6, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
RB is not really a "foundational" position, anyway
I know “foundational” isn’t really a word used for football, but I consider it to mean the type of positions that are best suited for a football team to build around. The reason why I’d hesitate to “build around” a running back is that (a.) their average career length is much shorter than other positions, and (b.) most teams these days don’t give a grand majority of carries to one back. And with Forsett around, that would certainly be the case here.
The Seahawks need help at QB, LT and DT, which most people would consider to be more “foundation” positions than RB…..I’m in favor of drafting the best player at any draft slot that helps our team the most (even safety), but I disagree that RB is a requirement.
I would rather have an OL to build around. Witht he right OL, you can plug in any league average RB and be good
You don’t have to depend on getting an elite RB. Running games based around the line tend to endure for more years than a running game based around a player.
Clausen at 6 (unless the scouts/coaches really doubt him, then Berry)
Spiller at 14 if he’s there, otherwise best OT.
40: OT or DT
I'd rather take Blount in the 5th or 6th round to pair up with Forsett at RB
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Despite his problems do you really see him dropping that far?
I think we’d be lucky if we got him in the forth.
I like that...
I think Blount has good value for a lower round pick, and I want to give Forsett a chance.
The only thing with all the Spiller hype is, would he make a good zone running back? That's what the Seahawks are looking for first and formost.
Looks possible. I wonder if anyone else has any insight?
“That’s pretty much what we did at Clemson,” he said. “We ran inside, did a lot of zone blocking inside, did a lot of power downhill running. I think by me doing that, hopefully I showed people I can also be an inside runner as well as a good outside runner.”
Having read that I take back everything I said, I want Spiller at 14
I still want Blount though.
by Blazersaurus on Mar 7, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
My take
Depends on if Clauson/Bradford are available
6 Clauson/Bradford
14 Spiller
40 Best available tackle
If not:
6 Best available tackle
14 Spiller
40 Best available guard
Falcons, Seahawks, Huskers!
Sense a rebuilding year
6. Best tackle ( I wish Okung but he wont be there)
14. Best guard (wishing for the next Steve Hutchinson)
40. Best running back or QB ( Whomever tickles thier fancy most, thou, i do believe Forsett deserves a good shot at the spot. So leaning toward QB )
But if i really had my way and sense you put a no trade in this. The Hawks spread a rumor saying Suh is a crack whore right before the draft scaring everyone from picking him till we pick (sounds like a Sapp thing i know ) and then we get Mays and a QB for the future with the 40th pick. Then i think the Hawks can do something i am so tired of seeing. STOP THE RUN!!!!!
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