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Don't Change a (Expletive Deleted) Thing about Overtime.

If you listen to media types like Peter King or Mike Florio, the NFL's overtime rules are the biggest miscarriage of justice since the Sacco and Vanzetti trial... "How can it be fair to leave Brett Favre or Peyton Manning on the sidelines without a chance to score in OT of a playoff game?? ATTICA! ATTICA!!!"

Here's the thing: You know who doesn't complain about the OT rules? NFL players and coaches.

Why the players? Because football, particularly at the elite level, destroys the human body. Yes, they are very well compensated for destroying their bodies, but every additional snap taken is another chance to suffer a crippling injury or even death. Why on earth would they want anything but a system where the game is over as quickly as possible?

Why the coaches? Because coaches HATE making any additional decisions. They spend 18-hour days prepping for Sunday, and then make all manner of tough decisions throughout the game. The last thing they want is some new OT system that they have to navigate and risk getting fired over making the wrong call. Right now it's simple: Tie game? Coin flip. We won the toss? Awesome! Get in FG range, bang it through and get the fuck off the field! Lost the toss? We gave up a FG? Oh well, it's not MY fault.

The 3rd factor is the TV networks: Until the playoffs, they hemmorage money broadcasting the NFL. Why do they do it? So they can promote the holy fuck out of their crappy shows. Ask yourself: Are you more aware of what's on ESPN, NBC, FOX and CBS than you are of what's on ABC? I sure as hell am.. besides Lost and Modern Family, I have no idea what is on ABC or when it's airing. Given this reality, the networks DON'T WANT REGULAR SEASON GAMES THAT LAST FOR 4+ HOURS. Then they bleed into 60 minutes, etc etc, and they lose even more money.

For my own part, I've never once though this after a Seahawks game that went to overtime:

"Man, we sure got fucked by the OT format! DAMN YOU ROZELLLLLLLE!!!!"

And we've lost THREE playoff games in OT over the years I've been a fan!

A lot of this sentiment comes from misguided notions of fairness, and an over-emphasis on offense. Seriously, if your kickoff coverage team lets the other guys return it to the 45, and then your defense allows a FG, I don't really see how you "deserve" a shot at the ball. This isn't baseball. Both teams aren't gauranteed an at-bat.

Except in college, with its retarded OT format, which disfigures the game almost beyond recognition. No kickoffs. No punts. Just an amped-up, convoluted scrimmage because, apparently, sudden death would traumatize the fragile brainpans of college football players?

Florio and his ilk think the NFL should emulate college ball. Why? Why in the name of Johnny Unitas should the most popular, powerful sports league that has ever existed take its cues from its little brother, which more or less functions as a glorified minor/developmental league? To be blunt, the NCAA can pound sand. Get back to me when their TV ratings even approach the NFL's.

So I say leave OT the fuck alone. If you have to change it, keep it SIMPLE. "First to six" is way easier to explain than the Rube Goldberg scheme the NFL is considering.

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Fans hate it. Fans make the game. Pretty simple.

This was a fantastic article, however.

6/14/40. Sweet.

by Nick Andron on Mar 4, 2010 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

I'm in this camp: status quo

I would prefer initial possession of the football and my teammates and I intend to score.

by busplunger on Mar 4, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Let the coin toss at the start of the game decide...

If the team that wins the coin toss before the game chooses to receive first, they also get to receive to start overtime. If they defer and choose to kick off first, then they will kick off to start overtime.

by SeahawkSammy on Mar 4, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

Then no team would ever choose to kick off first

All you effectively do is move chance to the beginning of the game, plus basically removing a teams option to kicking-off first rather then recieve.

by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 4, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

For my own part, I’ve never once though this after a Seahawks game that went to overtime:
“Man, we sure got fucked by the OT format! DAMN YOU ROZELLLLLLLE!!!!”

Guess you weren’t watching the 2007 Divisional Round playoffs when we lost to the Bears in OT.

I don’t think the number of Seahawk’s losses decided in OT really warrants a dispositive rationale on why OT in the NFL doesn’t need to be fixed. The problem still exists in any FUTURE game the Seahawks are in. If the Seahawks were to play an epic Super Bowl or even a regular season game with the playoffs on the line and it’s decided by a coin toss it will be pretty hard to swallow when college and even high school football has a better OT format than the NFL.

And why is that the only point being made from the perspective of fans? Who cares what coaches and players think about the format of games? This game isn’t for their enjoyment. NFL overtime is a great example of why rules should be primarily made with the fan’s perspective in mind.

I don’t think fairness should be undervalued in the NFL. I’d much rather watch college OT then the NFL when an NFL game can suddenly be decided by an arbitrary result. Both teams should have an opportunity that is not decided by a coin toss to win. That doesn’t lessen the game or make it some pansy sport like baseball.

by deeznutz on Mar 4, 2010 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed that the team OT history doesn't have bearing on the argument

But for the record, the Seahawks won the toss against the Bears and got the ball first in OT, then failed to convert a 3rd-and-2 from their own 48.

I don’t think the current system is broken but it can be improved. I prefer the first-to-5-points idea.

by lemonverbena on Mar 4, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

and, the entire point of my piece is that these games are NOT “decided by the coin toss.” If you play decent special teams and defense, you’ll get your shot at the ball…. Like the Bears did on the 2nd possession of OT in that playoff game.

The coin toss isn’t nearly as deterministic as you are making it out to be. Plus, if you think that the NFL isn’t going to take the opinions of players, coaches and the TV networks into account when making decisions about OT, you’re living in fantasy land.

Where is the evidence that the public is demanding this change? It sure isn’t in the TV ratings or attendance numbers.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Mar 4, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

That ratings and attendance are strong doesn't mean the product shouldn't be improved

The game isn’t static. Moving the kickoff back, the 2-point conversion, eliminating the force-out rule…these were all good things. Reducing the effect of a random event (coin toss) to make the game more fair and exciting is certainly worth consideration.

by lemonverbena on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

The whole "decided by a coin toss" thing is starting to drive me nuts.

In no way is the game decided by the OT coin toss. An entire football game was played, lots of different things led to going into over time in the first place. In overtime both teams have an equal shot at the coin toss, 50/50, and the team that wins the coin toss goes on to with the game 60% of the time. Thats an advantage but it’s hardly a death sentence.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 4, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup, I saw the Bears playoff game

…and every other game since 1983. Last time I checked, we got the ball first in OT that day and went 3-and-out… doesn’t really help your case.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=270114003&period=5

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Mar 4, 2010 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

Not sure whether the test for a rule change

..should be whether it makes the game a few plays longer, or forces coaches to make strategic decisions. They’re big boys, who get paid to make such decisions, and with no risk to life and limb, either. No sympathy from me on that one.

by Hawkdawg on Mar 4, 2010 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

No one is saying have sympathy for them… They’re just going to have more influence over a decision to change the OT rules than Peter King, Florio, and a bunch of people who inexplicably prefer the college OT format.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Mar 4, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Is there a way to maintain the format while nullifying the advantage of winning the coin toss?

I think John’s suggestion was to move the kickoff point forward. Maybe make it a safety-style free kick instead of a standard kickoff? (I don’t know why teams prefer to punt after safeties but they sure do prefer to punt after safeties.)

There’s gotta be some small way(s) to equalize the advantage without eliminating field position and (coverage) special teams (like college overtime does) or extending the games even further (like the new proposal would).

by busplunger on Mar 4, 2010 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

Ties.

I still believe that the tie is the more accurate way of recording a regular season game that’s that close. Losing by 3 in OT is the same as losing by 45 (other than wild card tie breakers which rarely apply.)

But I also know that this option is downright unamurican.

So my next best options:

1) Play a full 8 minutes.

or

2) Start with the ball on the 20 instead of kicking off.

I understand that defense and special teams are a part of the game. But it’s way too flukey to be considered fair.

by spoonfulofpeter on Mar 4, 2010 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

Flukeyness is subjective.

When you set up a format that deviates from the rules of regulation, you’re leaving out defining parts of the game.

by DrunkAmerican on Mar 4, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Playing to the rules

What’s generally idiotic about any discussion of changes to overtime is the fact that analysis of “fairness” and “impact” is being done from the start of overtime forward. Thank you for your genuine brain fart Peter King.

You have to look at it from the end outcome and work backwards. Imagine if the NFL had a college football style OT. What do you think Peyton Manning would do if he had a TD lead in the mid of the 3rd? For strong offensive teams, going into OT would be just as good as win. If Peyton had a guarantee to get his shot in OT why take risks? Hence, we get to watch a 2nd half of boring football.

If there were any changes to OT, make a victory in overtime (and a loss for that matter) worth less. Create incentive to win in regulation.

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by elfaro47 on Mar 4, 2010 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

If you wanted to change the value of OT wins and losses, you could adopt the hockey format.

They track standings with a point system. A win is worth 2 points, a loss is worth 0 points, and an overtime loss is worth 1 point. I really like the system for hockey, but I don’t know if it would translate well to the NFL. It would have a big effect on playoff seeding though. A team that is 8-8 could get into the playoffs ahead of a team that is 9-7 if the 8-8 team lost 3 games in overtime and the 9-7 team had never lost an overtime game.

by Mind of no mind on Mar 4, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I do want the NFL to change it's overtime rules.

But I also fully agree with this statement;

If you have to change it, keep it SIMPLE. “First to six” is way easier to explain than the Rube Goldberg scheme the NFL is considering.

I also agree with John that if you are going to change the OT rules, change it for the full season. I really don’t like having one set of rules for the regular season, and different rules for the postseason.

by Mind of no mind on Mar 4, 2010 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

While I agree that the game should be designed for the fans, I think a distinction should be made.

Sports can be enjoyed as a physical spectacle or a strategy game. The former would favor the exciting college OT format. The latter favors a format that preserves the values of the game. These values include fairness and, if that is to be preserved, a change must come. The game favors offense. OT rules allowing for the scenario of one offense beating one defense and winning the game is not ideally fair. I don’t think the rules as they exist now warrant a huge change because they are fair for the most part, but there is something very unsatisfying about the all too common one drive —> one FG —> win.

Also, if the players and coaches are only concerned with their well-being and not about the game, then I couldn’t care less about what they think.

by DrunkAmerican on Mar 4, 2010 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

Fairness is a valuable concept, but

There are any number of unfair aspects of the game that we happily tolerate. Home field advantage is a huge one. It would be more “fair” to have all the games at neutral sites, and have half the tickets allocated to each side. But that aint ever gonna happen, because it would be infeasible and lame.

Just like teams can (and are expected to) overcome another team’s home field advantage, I expect the team that loses the coin toss to overcome that, and get the ball back for its offense.

I think “first to six” is a perfectly acceptable system, but it runs into two problems:

1. The games would go on significantly longer (see my arguments above about the many interested parties that want games ended ASAP)

2. It won’t satisfy the “each team needs a possession!” lobby, which seems to want to turn football into some kind of turn-based RPG.

Finally, I’ll point out that we don’t seem to find anything inherently unfair about keeping the ball from the other team as a STRATEGY (for example, Super Bowl XXV), but there’s this huge swath of the public that thinks once regulation ends, special teams and defense have no responsibility to do their jobs properly.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Mar 4, 2010 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

I guess we can't put "God Damn" in the headline.

Huh. I just removed it, but feel free to rewrite the headline. I’m a little miffed.

by John Morgan on Mar 4, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, we wouldn't want to offend anyone.

Though Rob Sims only getting a 4th round tender is much more offensive than God Damn ever will be.

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by Wayward Llama on Mar 4, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Best Field Gulls Post Ever

I was reading in my RSS reader and thought I was on KSK, then saw the Seahawks note and am like, WTF. Awe. Some.

Although I don’t agree with you, we need changes. I want the punter to somehow decide the outcome.

by Surf Hawk on Mar 4, 2010 5:22 PM PST reply actions  

My favorite overtime proposal is that when the clock reaches 0:00 at the end of the 4th quarter...

…just keep the game going until someone scores. No “end of half” stuff — no coin toss, no kick-off and fresh possession. Whoever has the ball at the end of the 4th quarter of a tie game keeps the ball and the current down and distance. If they score on that drive, game over. It’s fair, because they have the ball as a result of all the game action that came before it, rather than a coin toss. If they punt / turn the ball over, it just keeps goingl until one team scores. You still have sudden death drama, but no coin-toss / game reset nonsense.

I bet the league hates this idea though, because you’ll eliminate some of the drama of a team racing against the clock in the 4th quarter of a tie game to win it in regulation.

by sev79 on Mar 4, 2010 6:18 PM PST reply actions  

What if the clock reaches 0 but the team with possession is already within scoring range

Coaches would not even have to play clock management towards the end of regulation.

by Anticitizen_One on Mar 4, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like a minor quibble.

In a tie game, should they have to manage the clock?

by John Morgan on Mar 5, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Leave OT Alone!

Excellent article! Well put and ditto.

by 008klm on Mar 4, 2010 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

Or how bout -

If you wanna change the OT without overstressing players bodies nor overtaxing assistant coaches brain cells, (nor pay refs for OT) have home team’s FG kicker play against the other team’s FG kicker. No teams, just two kickers, a ball, a tee, and a goalpost. Both kickers set their tee on the 30 yard line for the first kick, the 35 for the 2nd kick, then 40, 45, 50, etc., until the first kicker misses – and his team loses. If both kickers miss from the same distance the game’s a tie.

by 008klm on Mar 4, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this is the first time in Field Gulls history that 'reactionary' is the correct adjective.

I am surprised there is so much support for an obviously broken system. If the current system was the proposed system, I don’t think a single person would support it. Who could support a radically unfair ending to a game? And yet, because it’s the status quo, we have rousing support.

by John Morgan on Mar 5, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

I honestly don't find it radically unfair.

It’s a slight advantage that a team has a 50/50 shot of getting after both teams were unable to win a football game. If I was given a choice of what overtime system to use I like the idea of the team with the ball keeping posession, switching sides and continuing play. I’m just pretty apathetic about changing the current system.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 5, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

60-40 is a sizable advantage. It's not slight at all.

If two equal teams played a 16-game overtime schedule, but one always won the toss, one team would finish 10-6 (9.6 wins) and the other, 6-10 (6.4).

by John Morgan on Mar 6, 2010 7:06 AM PST up reply actions  

It's Like Democracy....

….worst system available, except for all the others.

by Kumar on Mar 5, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Simply moving the kickoff would eliminate almost the entire advantage and cause no other problems I can think of.

Overtime was originally conceived with the old kickoff line, and the advantage came after the kickoff was moved back. So it’s not only not the original system, it’s easily correctable.

by John Morgan on Mar 6, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, really?

It was 50-50 (or much closer to) before they moved the kickoff line?

That sounds like the best solution. I’m also intrigued by the idea of the home team getting the ball first and having no coin toss. Two simple rule changes that would make overtime what it needs to be without making a mockery of the game. Big rule changes that dramatically change the dynamic of the game (like college OT, which is fun for college, but I don’t want to see in the NFL) I’m not in favor of. I think that’s why you see support for the current system. People want the OT to still be like an NFL game, not some weird ruled circus, and when we see a whole bunch of wacky rules and ideas people tend to go “fuck it, just keep it the way it is.”

by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 6, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The 15 yard line is the break even point

And moving the kickoff up greatly increases the chance of a touchback. So, it might not be 50-50, but if the offense is starting on the ~20 instead of the ~35, overtime becomes much more equal.

by John Morgan on Mar 6, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I just completely disagree

why not do something like an 7:00 overtime with no sudden death? It would make the coin flip much less meaningful on the outcome of the game, both teams would get the ball, and its not a ton more football. Just more fun and excitement.

by spencer peaty on Mar 5, 2010 2:41 PM PST reply actions  

My plan for playoff overtimes is:

1 Home team gets possession of the ball 1st

Teams know this prior to the game and can plan for it during the game. Removes ambiguity.

By the way, no Super Bowl has ever gone to OT, but give 1st possession to the host city’s affiliation – be it NFC or AFC

2 No placekicking in OT

To win, a TD must be scored. This makes for a more dramatic finish. Eliminates the value to fluky FG attempts. Gives the non receiving team a higher chance of getting the ball.

No coins or FG attempts in OT = problems solved

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by WarWolf on Mar 5, 2010 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

Eliminate the Coin Toss

It seems like there is a simple solution to all of this.

Proponents of the system like:

-sudden death nature (for the health of the players and broadcast time)
-all aspects of the game included (yay special teams!)

Critics don’t like:

-advantage decided by coin toss

These two sets are not mutually exclusive. Just decide OT possession on something other than a coin toss.

WarWolf suggest home team gets possession. That works.

I would suggest that the team who most recently had the lead should get possession. This would also give an incentive to the team that is ‘tying’ at the final seconds of the game to go for the win, rather than going to overtime (by going for 2 , or a TD).

But you could come up with other criteria as well: the team who scores the most TDs, time of possession, total yards, quarterback rating, whatever you want (these aren’t good ideas, just showing that there are tons of non coin toss possibilities)

by Snuffleupagus on Mar 10, 2010 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

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