What Separates Aaron Kampman and Kyle Vanden Bosch from Darryl Tapp and Lawrence Jackson
by John Morgan on Mar 4, 2010 11:15 PM PST
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Rumors persist, so let's see if I can clobber this nonsense before it robs me of sleep.
Green Bay drafted Aaron Kampman in the fifth round of the 2002 draft. In his first two seasons, he started 16 games, played in 24 and had 2.5 sacks. 2.5. Those were his age 23 and 24 seasons.
He started all 32 games he played over the next two seasons, his age 25 and age 26 seasons, and improved his sack totals to 4.5 and 6.5. Subtle, aren't I?
The next year, he turned 27, and BOOM SHAKALAKA! he recorded 15.5 sacks.
28: 12
29: 9.5
30: 3.5 and was injured for most of the season.
Arizona drafted Kyle Vanden Bosch in the second round of the 2001 draft. Over four seasons, he started 20 games and had four sacks. Tennessee signed him in 2005, the year he turned 27, and WITH AUTHORITY! Vanden Bosch started 16 games and recorded 12.5 sacks.
28: 6.5
29: 12
30: 4.5
31: 3
I'm not making this up.
Seattle drafted Darryl Tapp in the second round of 2006. Through four seasons, he has 18 sacks. Kampman, 13.5. Vanden Bosch, four. He turns 26 in 2010. He is entering his prime. In 2009, he had 13 quarterback hurries, tied for seventh in all of football. He's improving. He's hugely valuable. He's not old man Kampman or old man Vanden Bosch, he's the next Kampman, the next Vanden Bosch.
If he gets the chance.
Lawrence Jackson is 24. He has 6.5 sacks through two seasons. Better than Kampman; better than Vanden Bosch.
Pass rushers peak. Tim Ruskell struck gold by signing Bryce Fisher before his age 28 season. Pass rushers fade, Ruskell signed Patrick Kerney, got a surprise breakout season, and then was stuck with a declining end that cost too much to cut.
It's so early in the process. Please, please do not screw this up. The talent you covet is on the roster, waiting to develop. Don't sign a veteran because of the illusion of a sure thing. Tapp and Jackson are younger, cheaper, healthier and have better potential than either Kampman or Vanden Bosch. And if they don't develop, you have committed nothing. If Kampman or Vanden Bosch bust, you've set the franchise back the way Grant Wistrom did, the way Kerney is.
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Jesus Christ...
Can we not write these fucks in the front office a petition to get their heads out of their asses? It’s infuriating that they want to fuck up our team so early in the process.
It's a little early to be freaking out.
We havn’t signed Kampman yet. However if we do sign him to a fatty free agent contract, I will be quite happy to join you in running around screaming about how the sky is falling.
Now with more lemon bars!
Not really freaking out...yet
I just want some news from the VMAC that I don’t groan about.
I need to go drink Chai Tea, or do Tai Chi or something.
by DJ C-Raig on Mar 5, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's free agency.
I’ve given up groaning a long time ago, because it’s a given with this team.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
We haven't even contacted Kampman's agent
according to Milwaukee writer.
so maybe we should stop freaking out about our front office fucking things up?
also a kampman signing might not pay off in the long run, but:
1) depth in our pass rush wouldn’t be a bad thing
2) he should still be good for another few years, though we do have a knack for getting 2-3 good years out of ~30 year old white DEs who then fall off the map and eat up cap space
3) it’s really optimistic to assume or even insinuate that jackson’s gonna develop into a better player than kampman
He'll likely be expensive, block younger players and be bad by the time the Hawks are good.
I agree with you about holding off on the panic though, so far this just seems to be reporters playing connect the dots with Schneider and perceived Seahawk needs.
he'd block jackson
and again i think it’s optimistic to think jackson will outplay him, at least early on
but if we’re gonna sign big name free agents i think that means we’re trying to turn this thing around a lot sooner than 3 years down the line
Great article John
The Hawks should have a breakout season or 2 in 2010 on the DL. People need to understand the Hawks are not far away from winning the NFC West this year. Jackson is 24 and Tapp only 25 so we need to have a little patience i think
Exactly how many seasons are in the year 2010???
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Source: Bucs have "huge" interest in Kampman
That very well could happen. With Julius Peppers en route to Chicago and the Bears expected to get his name on a contract by the end of the day, and with Kyle Vanden Bosch apparently landing in Detroit, Kampman is easily the most talented pass rusher on the market.
Step up Tampa. Save us from ourselves.
Excellent find.
Might need a deeper look, though. Looks like Kerney peaked at 25 and Wistrom at 24 (both in their third year).
then there’s those like Dwight Freeney who was a monster out of the gate at 22. If you keep looking you find similar players (Jared, Allen, Dumervill, Will Smith). These players are probably on a different level though.
Tapp does seem set to have a breakout year. If Seattle’s offense does well, it’s reasonable to think Tapp will get into double digits. This also means we’d better look out for Chris Long of the Rams. Another year or two he’ll be at the same breakout level. I think the only question is, what if he doesn’t?
A big no no, however, would be signing an aging pass rusher. You do want them as they’re peaking, not at the end while simultaneously getting saddled with a big contract (Kerney).
I wasn't suggesting a rule for all defensive ends
My argument was more along the lines of: Why would we give up on Tapp and Jackson so young, and if the same had been done for Kampman, it would have obviously been a mistake. The same was done for Vanden Bosch, and it was a mistake.
I do think a general idea of aging curves and that pass rushers tend to peak in their mid to late twenties is pretty well established.
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