Free Agency Thread
by John Morgan on Mar 5, 2010 9:29 AM PST
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my opinion
I’d like to see us pass on almost all free agent activity for the first week, then pick some under valued guys for depth. The big splash Ruskell era got tiring.
Ruskell was "big splash era"?
I always thought of him as utilitarian in Free Agency. He just filled the roster holes with bodies so as to have a pretty open draft. That there were a couple “gets” seemed coincidental and not that unwelcome in a town that doesn’t attract big names very often.
Though if you include re-signing players already on the team, I definitely agree with you (Tatupu, Tru, SA).
seemed like we always went after one big piece early
Kerney, Diehlman, Daniel Graham, Housh
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Oh god Daniel Graham
Missed a bullet on that one
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 5, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I think Thomas Jones and LT are just waiting
To be signed by the Pats. They have “enough” left to be a part of the offense.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
it worked for Dillon
if LT really wants a ring they are likely the best chance of any team that would sign him?
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
The Pats are inching closer towards a decline
It could be his best chance, I guess.
Maybe Pittsburgh signs him to be a goal line back.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Pitt is a good guess
And would make me dislike LT even more so I’m all for it.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
I heard someone say Jones would be a good fit in
Pitt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
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by jubelthebear on Mar 5, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
anyone else suprrised the Bears didn't sign Burly?
I would think they would seek one competent WR for Cutler to throw to.
I think they're going after someone bigger and better.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Vincent Jackson.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
I'm going down to Sea-Tac and putting him back on the airplane.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
by SSreporters on Mar 5, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd rather have Mike Bumpus
Arnaz must be a good blocker or something. Pass.
Chicago signed Malumaleuna to a 5 year deal
Management is sound.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
It's Manumaleuna.
It’s also a fine signing. Their offensive line was completely miserable last year and Manumaleuna is a 6th offensive lineman. Olsen can go run routes, and it’s not like they have the receiving corps to make it silly to run 2TE sets.
Plus Martz is the OC
and he apparently has no interest in throwing to TEs
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Sounds like Seattle is interested in Bodden.
http://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/10011802634
Seems like a good move on a one or two year deal.
Anyone hear something on Leigh Bodden coming visit Seattle?
Brock and Salk put it up, but I can’t find a report. Granted I haven’t looked hard.
is Bodden any good?
do we still have Lucas? So many questions I do not know
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
60% of his INTs this year came off of Sanchise. Tough to tell.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Don't know if he's any good, but I do prefer
that we spend our FA dollars on the O line and the secondary, as opposed to overpaying for old D linemen when the draft class is DL rich
Bodden's a corner
but you may just be making a general statement of preferred approach.
The free agents this year all seem to be old, and none of them lucrative. I hope we do bring in some free agents, but , I hope it’s only depth. Trading for Marshall, I can still be open to.
by jacobstevens on Mar 5, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Two tight end system, please.
Nothing but I-formation jumbo packages.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
joking I hope
WTF are we gonna do with another tight end?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
by jubelthebear on Mar 5, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Rule the world.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
hass needs somebody to fumble the ball towards
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
two tight ends that can actually catch (If Watson can)?
I’m not sure how good Watson is, but having two tight-ends with pass catching ability would be a good thing.
Watson can catch and block
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
fluck that!
Draft a big ass fullback that can motion out the backfield to the left TE spot.
LOL yeah right…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
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by jubelthebear on Mar 5, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
the full back went the way of the option
in highlight reels where old people try to tell us that the game was better back then.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
sounds good
someone decent to match with Johnny C?
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be on board with that.
I know there have been some discussion here about having two tight-ends that can actually catch as opposed to just using one strictly as a blocker.
Since this always comes up
Robert is good people and a die hard fan, he just expresses his love differently than others.
by John Morgan on Mar 5, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Denver just signed Brandon Lloyd.
This team is going backwards.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
wow
if they trade Marshall the tailspin is nearing completion.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Kampman visiting Eagles
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1765
He’s visiting the Eagles first -- cross your fingers.
kampman signing elsewhere
a sign that Paul Allen and Co. is rich but not stupid. Thumbs up.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Tyler Brayton to visit Seahawks on Sunday
sez Philadelphia area sports something Adam Caplan via Twittah
Seahawks meeting Tyler Brayton
Who? ;)
I guess this is what happens when everyones an RFA.
by SeahawksFanInNY on Mar 5, 2010 10:59 AM PST reply actions
Ask Jerramy Stevens.
Surprised to learn that he’s also almost 30. But he’d be depth, not a starter dictated by contract size, so there’s at least that.
by jacobstevens on Mar 5, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Why wouldn't the Seahawks bring in Atogwe?
The rams tendered him with the lowest possible tender, so we wouldn’t have to give up any picks for him, only money. It would strengthen a weakness of ours while also weakening a division rival. Just seems like a win/win with little to no real loss. JM any thoughts or opinions?
Shorthand: He isn't very good.
Players whose value is tied to intercepting passes suck when they do not intercept passes. And an interception is such an uncommon thing, a player can intercept 10 passes on year, and one or two the next. We can scout ball skills, but we can’t predict interceptions.
Seahawks to host Dwan Edwards
Updating a previous item, the Seahawks are scheduled to meet with free agent DL Dwan Edwards — not restricted free agent S Dawan Landry.
Landry will be safe at his second-round tender and return as a clear-cut starter for Baltimore. Edwards, a defensive end for the Ravens, would kick inside to tackle in Seattle. He is not much of a pressure player, though.
would he improve as a DT?
If he is moving to DT from a 3-4 End would that free him up to provide more pressure?
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
He has 3-tech abilities
Which would allow Mebane to slide back to the 1. The fact that Seattle is looking to add depth at the 3-tech is encouraging at least
He is 6'3", 290
It appears he could be a nice flexible piece for us.
Schefter: Seahawks signing Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet
On ESPN just now, so no link yet. He hedged a bit but also said Seattle “probably will” sign Marshall to an offer sheet.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Hmm. Taking our 1st, then?
I was expecting if we went this route, a trade would be negotiated.
by jacobstevens on Mar 5, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Denver offered him a 1st round tender
which comes with $2.521m for 2010 if he signs it.
So if another team signs him to an offer sheet, a contract, the Broncos get 1st right of refusal to match — if they match, he has to take the Broncos’ offer. If they don’t match, Seattle gets him for whatever contract he agrees to with them, but Seattle gives up their first round pick.
This can essentially be overridden by a trade.
by jacobstevens on Mar 5, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'm disregarding the post on the front page ahead of this one
time to panic
by SeahawksFanInNY on Mar 5, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions
oops
Supposed to respond to the Brandon Marshall rumor
by SeahawksFanInNY on Mar 5, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Raheem Brock apparently tweeted he's played his last game in a Colt uniform.
His tweets are protected, but PFT got it from this source.
No connection to Seattle, but since he’s another 30 yo DE I figure we must be in the mix.
I'm very scared of what we could lose. Someone hold me.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
It proves nothing about any allegation
but it can’t help Roethlisberger’s case in the court of public opinion to be accused of sexual assault again
OK while we wait for more news to tweet in with increasingly compromised journalistic integrity
how do we all see the NFC West race this year? With the Cards’ inability to stop the lossage, sure seems like a 3-pony race for bleh and the 49ers winning by default.
Actually I think the 49ers will be kind of formidable this year.
So the Lions traded for Corey Williams
They sure are busy. If StL takes Bradford and Detroit passes on a DT — what are the chances we could grab Suh or McCoy.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=169173&id=2876
They won't pass on a DT.
How good is the NFC North looking, though? No Favre, Vikes could finish last.
Moisture ants are easily mistaken for termites.
Dunno if there being more than one or two, that are winged, is significant.
Try this test:
Ant wings do not break off easily. Termite wings break off easily, with just a touch. You may see the broken wings from the swarming termites in a area they have been crawling.
We just had to take care of a carpenter ant invasion in our home this week
My wallet is now $595 lighter.
The hardware store. It's an essentially human-harmless white powder.
You put it where the ants traffic (and near their entrances and exits) and they pick it up and track it home with them. It ends up in their food supply, and the queen dies. No queen, no more ants.
Do you need to add it to something sweet or sour?
Depending on the type of ant? I read about somewhile ago, but never used it. Didn’t know you could just sprinkle it around alone.
They don't actively pick it up, it just gets caught in their leg hairs and on their abdomen and what not,
if I understand correctly. You aren’t directly poisoning them so much as using their traffic to get them to poison themselves later on.
I'm gonna have to remember that statement
to ease my conscience if I’m ever in the position of performing chemical genocide.
Not as unlikely as you’d think!
There are 'sugar ants' around here.
We kill them and keep them out – including light switches with Ortho home-defense max. Kills anything and keeps a perimeter for a long, long time.
I've used that, too
and it was by and large the most effective thing. But there’s at least 2 colonies in my walls, if not more, that I can’t reach, and it just puts them in regression. Worked much better outdoors, where I found over a dozen trails from the yard into my foundation a couple years ago.
Yeah, I've tried this in so many forms, like 30 times.
it was mostly effective, early on. I dunno if they adjusted, or what, but mixed in with mayo, tuna, jelly, syrup, or just in powder form where they run their trails as you said, it hasn’t worked in 2 years. Dunno why.
Isn't it early for the winged ones to be about?
I cannot get rid of the ants in my ghetto White Center house, and am finally throwing in the towel and getting Orkin. I had them come out last early September, and they said that was only the time of year that termites around the NW come out of the ground.
I'm excited
Everyone’s so scared. I think this is what makes being a fan fun. Seeing how awesome or fucking terrible your new management is is a time honored tradition.
More power to you. It's exciting, sure, but it's like Punxsutawney Phil.
We’re seeing the foreshadowing for possible years of joy or misery.
I'm scared we're going to lose our 6th overall pick for Brandon Marshall.
He’s not worth it, this team has so many holes to fill.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
He'd be totally worth it if we had a #14.
Because I’d be more hopeful we use the #6 to draft Clausen.
Now I have a feeling if we do give up the #6 that everyone except Seneca stays.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
14 would be ok.
I really, REALLY want a new QB. Hass will be injured by midseason and we need someone to throw the ball.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Jon Ryan.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Well, I was thinking B Russ, but this works.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
I'm kinda hoping the Cardinals sign him.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
His attempts at late hits fit in well with their
wanna-be Pittsburgh mentality.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Mora cut him because of his failed dirtbag attempts.
Finish that late hit, son!
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Signing Marshall could actually be a cost-saving move
He would presumably sign for much less than the #6 pick would command. If he stays on the field his production is certainly Top 10 value. But can he keep his head on straight, is obviously the big question.
His production will suck as long as the QB is busy sacking himself.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Cost isn't the issue.
We need a QB more than we need a top-flight receiver. Hasselbeck is done…apparently people on this site are the only ones who can see that.
Also, how much longer do we have to wait for Walter Favre-Jones to decide whether or not to retire? I was hoping this would be a day of purging the grime from this team, yet we haven’t dumped anyone except Lance Laury.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
But if they don't rate any of the QB's on the board as worth a #6, then maximizing value for that pick could make sense
Taking a QB at the top of the draft is not the only option for addressing the position.
I think that is what you really should take from this
The Seahawks aren’t sold on the value of anyone at the #6 pick. ie they dont’ think that Clausen is their next starting QB
I dunno.
I thought PC was completely enamored with Clausen? Also, not taking a QB this year means having to suck eggs again in order to get to the top of the draft to get one of next year’s top guys.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I just worry that we don't get a QB in this draft.
I want one this year, like I wanted one last year and the year before that.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps he is enamored with Sean Canfield
and feels he would be a good 6th round draft pick. Who knows?
I think what you really should take from this
is that nothing has actually happened yet and speculating on the thoughts inside a stranger’s head won’t get you very far. If and when a move happens, then you can start putting pieces together.
Although I believe in drafting a QB this year
I may be in the small minority who don’t want to send Hass packing. There is a 13% chance he could have a miraculous comeback a la Kurt Warner.
Even if those were the true odds (don't make up numbers),
that would be a horrible gamble to take.
Then factor in that his time would still be limited, he'd still be injury prone, and he'd still be getting worse every year.
It isn’t close at all.
That was the funniest comment sub-thread I have read on ANY blog this year!!
Rec’d
…for gut busting fun and comedic listening pleasure.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
Well, and the situation has been pushed to the brink
Not only is Hasselbeck old, and not only does Seattle not have a successor, but Hasselbeck is a free agent after 2010, and then Seattle would truly be over a barrel. I try to be rational about Ruskell, but he botched the quarterback situation.
is blaming the offensive line a dead meme?
if not, you mean Ruskell was a bum who is the reason we are terrible. We should have hired Holmgren. Hasselbeck is fine and just needs an offensive line in front of him, Hass is NOT the problem. We need a shutdown corner…..I’m done.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
I wish a rational solution could be reached where Seattle keeps Hasselbeck but also invests heavily into the quarterback situation
Green Bay did just that and has had uninterrupted excellent quarterback play. I think the problem most have with Hasselbeck is that him staying greatly increases the chance of Seattle not adding a true successor.
which we've been saying since 2006
when the team should have been thinking about life after Hasselbeck, not Seneca Wallace.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
This is/was what should happen
And your point is well taken that having Hass decreases getting a top tier successor.
Marshall would likely want top 3 WR money, so about $10 million annually.
Andre Smith, last year’s sixth overall pick, received $42 million over six years. So Marshall would likely cost more than the sixth overall pick.
He might want it, but with his character problems I would be surprised if he got it
I do see your point though. So it would (theoretically) not be a cost-saving move so much as a valuation move.
Adding Marshall would appear to be in lieu of adding a top-tier LT
Assuming a trade is worked out that gives up the #14 overall. Preference?
#14 for Brandon Marshall
use the #6 to draft either Bradford or Clausen. Would not complain one bit with that.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take Marshall rather than a #14 tackle.
Supposedly our new O-line coach is a master at turning mid-round O-linemen into quality starters in a ZBS system. Let him earn his money.
Won't work that way
I haven’t seen anything credible to indicate that Denver would work a trade instead of taking #6 for letting Marshall go FA.
It all depends on Denver's perceived likelihood of an offer sheet arriving
The closer that is to 0%, the greater the likelihood they suggest a trade to rid themselves of the house malcontent (2010 edition).
But Marshall is a restricted free agent.
I don’t recall sign-and-trade deals as being that prevalent in the NFL.
But when they are, it's during the RFA like Wes Welker.
Because that’s when both teams have something to gain and something to lose.
But how do we force that
Even if we threaten a poison pill, they still get the 6 if they refuse, so where is their motivation to deal?
It's a game of chicken.
Another team’s first rounder, like Baltimore, would be much lower than #14. So you gamble that a top 15 team isn’t in the running.
But another thing. When Brandon Marshall gets to Seattle, if he wants this place and won’t go anywhere else, they only have Seattle to deal with. At that point, do they want to deal with him for a year and gamble on losing him, or do they want to get “some” good value for him. If Marshall stays in Denver for another year and a new CBA is in place he could be gone for nothing.
Whether that be the 14th, the 40th, Deion Branch and the 40th, Carlson and the 4th. Who knows? Lofa or Leroy involved since Heater looked so good? Tons of possibilities, too many variables.
As you can see. Both teams could lose something by not negotiating.
No cap = no poison pill
There’s no salary cap next year thus poison pill threats do not apply here.
I don’t see how Denver really loses much in this scenario other than Marshall & Seattle not being able to come to terms and Baltimore jumping into the fray.
Why couldn't you have a poison pill?
Even if there is no cap, you could create a poison pill that makes a contract garunteed in full, which you would want to avoid, even if there is no cap. Not only would it suck to be locked into a 100% garunteed salary, but you’d also be screwed if the salary cap is brought back a year later.
by Mind of no mind on Mar 5, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
How does having the contract guaranteed in full in year one benefit the Hawks then?
Denver chooses not to match, Hawks get locked into the salary, assume all the risk, and lose their #6 pick in the process.
A poison pill is a provision that only impacts one team
So, Seattle could write into the contract that if Marshall plays four or more games 5,000 feet above sea level, his entire contract is guaranteed (not one year, but the entire contract). Seattle would be unaffected by the provision, but Denver would be unable to match.
The sheer thought of #40 would make me slit my wrists.
But Tebow would heal me.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
by SSreporters on Mar 5, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think Tebow would be a great backup to whoever we draft as our next starting QB.
I’d love to have the kid in our locker room.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Regarding Tebow.
It would be interesting to clock a QB’s fastball.
Also, to have a gun go off and see how long it takes for the QB to take a 5 step drop and roughly hit a target 25 yards out.
The combine needs more drills.
To add to that
I wonder if you could time the time from when a qb hits his back foot on his drop to his release and whether it’d be worth anything
by Brian Floyd on Mar 5, 2010 3:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If we draft Tebow I'm flinging myself off the Space Needle.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
This is basically how I feel about losing the 6th pick for Marshall.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
That looks like video footage of LT Kyle Williams protecting against the Cardinals' edge rush
by sideshow bob on Mar 5, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 14 recs
My favorite part about this move is that now I have to start hating Pete Carroll
This makes me sad :(
Just had a horrible thought...
Cardinals ink an offer sheet to Tapp, which if not matched only nets a 2nd rounder.
Could he serve as a pass-rushing OLB in their 3-4?
???
Don’t get it.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Anquan Boldin and a 5th for Baltimore's 3rd and 4th
Has Marshall’s value now been set?
5 years older with more injury concerns though.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
That deal is much more sensible.
And though Marshall will fetch more, certainly the 6th overall is too much. Hopefully we can work something out that doesn’t include the 6th overall. One might be tempted to burn down the VMAC.
sums up how I feel
I was ok with 14 but after this deal that seems like way to much.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it's pretty good news.
Since no one else is going after him, even with the gap between the two this has to rule out any 1st round compensation for Marshall.
Not sure how you figure it's "certainly" too much.
You could argue a #1 wideout isn’t enough of a need to justify using resources there, or that Marshall’s off-field problems should drastically lower his market value, but talentwise, you’d be thrilled if anyone taken at #6 turned into the caliber of player that Marshall already is.
They aren't that worse at receiver.
Early Doucet was their #5 last year.
EARLY DOUCET.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
I'm thinking Doucet will step into Boldin's spot and keep Breaston as the #3.
And I agree: they are still in good shape at the position.
yeah
run run PLAY ACTION punt
defend defend TURNOVER
run run PLAY ACTION punt ad infinitum…
I just get tired of Flacco sorry…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
I'm happy for my "other" team.
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by Wayward Llama on Mar 5, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Burleson made out pretty good
Burleson (Lions), 28 y/o, 1 1,000 yard year, 5 year deal, $25 million, $11 milliion guaranteed
Boldin (Ravens), 29 y/o, 5 1,000 yard years, 4 year deal, $28 million, $10 million guaranteed
I’d think there should be more discrepancy between the 2 contracts. Burleson should be feeling very good about his.
It certainly makes sense for Seattle not to mach that offer
Burleson got a sweet deal. Still: Detroit.
While scouring for news I randomly came across this rediculous article
Delhomme to Seattle!
I think this quote speaks for itself, this is pure comedy unobtanium.
here may be several teams that might be interested in picking him up as a backup quarterback. Two teams that come to mind would be the Oakland Raiders and the Seattle Seahawks. Both of these teams may see the benefits of bringing in a seasoned quarterback to help jump start their offense.A team like Seattle may bring him on in order to give their backup quarterback Seneca Wallace some time to be better prepared to become their starter.
When it's this far off the mark...
It doesn’t count as journalism and technically cannot be classified as an article.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
Marshall for a 2nd and a 4th is my prediction
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
This will sound crazy,
but I think I’d rather have Damian Williams and Art Jones (just names that might be there at our 2nd and 4th round picks) for peanuts on the dollar.
My SeaHawks draft:
6 Clausen
14 Spiller
Add Marshall to that tandem and they are good to go !
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
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3 year deal with Philly for $11 mil. Good for him, but I still miss him!
My draft/FA hopes...
-Brandon Marshall for Deion Branch and our 2nd rounder, or anything less
-Do NOT sign Kampman, give Tapp and Lawrence Jackson a shot
-Draft Eric Berry at 6, or Clausen, or Bradford
-Draft a left tackle at 14
If votes count...
…you get mine. Sounds like a good strategy to me.
Add a late round bruiser at RB (Blount/Gerhart/Stafon Johnson) and they will be set.
BEN TATE!!
I have feeling he is flying under the radar after having a good career at VT – not known for their passing offense
I'm also intrigued by him, but man is he a linear runner.
No moves, no wiggle. One cut and go: end of story. He could fit our ZBS well, but he’s not exciting from the footage I’ve seen thus far.
Others that could be had in the middle rounds that I like are Hardesty, Starks, and a few others.
Exactly what we want.
At least the style, I’m not commenting on the player’s talent. I was in the desert and never watched him once.
Packers just re-signed Chad Clifton
Leaving Washington still seeking a tackle. Please please please pass on those QB’s!
I still want Clausen
but I’m starting to have more peace with the idea of not taking him at 6. Still would rather, but if we get Okung or Clausen depending on who they take and leave us, I’m OK with that. Also while I think Clausen grades out to be a 6th, there’s a portion of those who think he’ll be available at 14. I’m intrigued by Bruce Campbell’s potential, I like Charlie Brown, but really Okung and Clausen together would be the biggest coup.
maybe up to 80 million/40 million guaranteed first three years for Peppers
Damn. Wonder how long the contract is for.
I wonder if that kind of money, plus the taylor money
will remove them the Marshall hunt. Hard to see them ponying up for a contract extension (post trade), cap or no
Well, it's like what you have
but way fucking more.
by John Morgan on Mar 5, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
You just need some perspective, try it from a different angle
Here’s what Paul Allen has…waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay fucking less….what you have. 40 million is really just middling money. Peanuts, really.
I think Seattle will do the deal with Marshall and manage to only give up the #14
Seattle drafts Gerald McCoy at #6 and moves Mebane to fullback/DT hybrid.
Spiller amasses a 3,000 yard rushing season thanks to Mebane’s blocking, which quickly becomes him piling up dead bodies.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Mebane swallows up our entire secondary, mistaking them for sliders
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
by SSreporters on Mar 5, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kelly Jennings shall be known as "burnt french fry".
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
by SSreporters on Mar 5, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Danny O'Neil just tweeted
that Dwan Edwards already visited with us, and we’re not believed to be looking at Arnaz Battle.
Arizona had some big-time loss, this year
They must be due for like two 1st round compensatory picks in 2011.
Jim Sorgi released?
NO! He just lost the best job in America.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Curtis Painter shined.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
So remember when it wasn't official that Seattle would hire Carroll, but everyone knew anyway?
How does everyone feel about our new wide receiver, Brandon Marshall?
I agree, I'd love to have him, just at what cost?
That’s the only thing that will decide the outcome of emotions.
Please draft a good QB please draft a good QB.
“Welcome to Seattle, rook. Now go out there and throw the ball to Brandon Marshall, TJ Houshmandzadeh, and John Carlson.”
I'm also frickin jacked.
And I also hope it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg. Because if there’s one thing a football team needs, it’s arms and legs.
If we can get away with a second rounder (or even swap our 2nd for their 3rd) and a player (Branch, etc.) I’d be pumped. I’d miss the second rounder, but it’d be good value for Marshall.
Interestingly, if we got Clausen, too, we’d have a similar dynamic to our passing game as Denver circa 2008. Just replace Cutler with Clausen, and Marshall with new-improved-Seattle-style-Marshall, Royal with Butler and Stokley with Housh, and you’ve got a team with a good passing game.
Not that I want our team to be Denver circa 2008…but it’s a damn-sight better than Seattle circa 2009…
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(Provided it doesn’t cost a fortune)
After watching that youtube video below, I'm warming up to the idea of the #14 pick if we have too.
While I’m worried about off field character, because I don’t want him to get suspended for a year, seeing how hard he fights through contact eliminates doubt about his on field character. Being able to lock him up at such a young age would be huge, but I guess my only other worry would be the fact that he’s under a 4th round contract, and has been playing for a big contract for a few years now. Once he has that contract, I wonder if he’ll fight so hard for yardage. And would we want him too? Obviously in the playoffs or when the game is on the line, but if he plays like that all the time, I’d be worried that he’ll brake down pretty fast.
by Mind of no mind on Mar 6, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
As long as we dont give up the 6th pick, I'm down.
I’d also like to see Clausen/Bradfor throwing him passes by mid-season.
Yes. Yes. Don't give up #6. Yes. Draft a QB WITH #6. Yes.
YES YES YES YES YES!
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Not necessarily.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Imagine this.
We draft Bradford/Clausen (probably Clausen) at #6. We pickup Spiller at #14. We’ve traded away a 2nd and Branch or whatever for Marshall. All I can do is smile at that offensive makeover.
Nervous.
I’m constantly nervous about what they are going to do. This may just be taking a good young WR when you can, and setting up a new future QB for success. But I worry it’s an attempt to help Hass which scares me. Because this team can’t do win-now mode (though it might be able to make the playoffs in this division), and any attempt could wreak havoc on our future. We’ll see. And I hope I’m ecstatic when all is said and done.
Now with more lemon bars!
Excited.
A 6’4 230 lb deep threat that can run after the catch…
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2009 DEN 15 101 1120 11.1 75 10
…and that was with Kyle Orton
If I were to build a wide receiver from scratch...
he would look like brandon marshall.
It wouldn't even be fair in the endzone...
he’d be 3 feet higher than everyone else.
He could even do alley oops through the goal posts…
Atlanta got Dunta Robinson. Interesting.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Speculated from the start, but I didn't think Houston would actually let him go.
Last year was disappointing and he never followed up his rookie year. There has to be something in his game that offensive coordinators figured out.
How does everyone feel about Troy Smith?
Only a 5th round tender…
He would more than likely upgrade the backup known as Seneca Wallace.
I’m all for it as long he doesn’t come with the idea of ‘starting job’.
Do not, I repeat DO NOT go searching the you tubes for B-Marsh highlight videos
You may have suddenly feel the need to change your pants
Too late.
He really is a game changer. Matched with a half-decent QB he’s a perennial Pro-Bowler, a highlight-reel maker, a jersey-and-ticket-seller.
If we can get him for #40 and change, I will officially, uh, insert extreme bodily-function joke here.
I didn't follow your advice, and I'm glad I didn't.
Holy. Shit.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqv4Xa3Ur3I
Go to the 24 sec mark to see what he did to our defense
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Here's a mic'd up segment they did with him last year
This is the Bronco’s first game after Chris Henry passed away. It appears Henry and Marshall were close. I always liked these mic’d up segments, especially when they feature a ’hawk.
Maybe it's just because he's mic'd up
but he doesn’t seem like a cancer to me.
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Chris Simms sure sounded like a jackass though
Brandon’s being all serious he’s all “just go get 200 yards and 3tds and it’s totally cool.”
The dropped trow was hilarious. Typical Raider.
well you know
he is the son of Phil Simms
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Well, here's Prisco's take.
http://peteprisco.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/20328774?tag=headlines;nfl
I’m a little confused. Does Denver AUTOMATICALLY get our #6? Someone explain this process to my lazy self.
"The two sides could also negotiate a lesser package, which is possible."
John Clayton said on ESPN 710 that it was likely it included our 2nd round pick.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
If we sign him to an offer sheet
and they do not match, they will get our first round pick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqv4Xa3Ur3I
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its been reported numerous times
that a trade can be worked out, is this wrong?
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
no
you are right. I am just saying, if we were dumb enough to offer him a contract tomorrow, what i stated above would become the likely scenario.
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ah I gotcha
so in reality, we work out a contingent deal with Marshall. Then take our trade offer to Denver? Do they even have a chance to match?
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
If they trade him to us
then they lose all rights to him. That includes the chance to match our offer, assuming we make the offer to him after we have traded for him.
Now with more lemon bars!
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be.
EIther we sign him to an offer sheet then they can a) match our offer or b) not match and they get #6. OR We can work out a trade for him with them — end of story.
Precisely.
Signing Marshall to a straight offer sheet would not make sense for Seattle, in my view, because the Broncos would get Seattle’s first-round choice, sixth overall, in return. That price might be too high.
The collective bargaining agreement spells out the rigidity of offer-sheet terms:
“The Restricted Free Agent’s Prior Club shall receive from the New Club the Draft Choice Compensation, if any, specified in Section 2 above of this Article. Any Club that does not have available, in the upcoming Draft, the selection choice or choices (its own or better choices in the applicable rounds) needed to provide Draft Choice Compensation in the event of a timely First Refusal Exercise Notice may not sign an Offer Sheet in such circumstances.”
We don't want them to match
and they definitely wouldn’t want to match because they would get our 6th overall if the didn’t.
So, hopefully, what is happening tomorrow is we ask him is he wants to be a Seahawk and blah blah blah. Then talk to the Broncos about making a trade.
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and the Broncos have said nothing positive about him
are likely looking to unload at any cost(let’s hope).
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
i guess how it all plays out will really tell us how smart Pete Schneider or John Carroll really are.
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i can't stop thinking about the best scenario
any pick besides our two first rounders. QB and LT. Amazing. That is a potential Jack Z like overhaul in one year.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
So what will we be giving up to get Marshall?
I peg the over/under at our 1st (14th) and their 3rd
Is there even any interest in Marshall other then Seattle?
He’s got off the field issues and will want a big contract. We may not even lose a first rounder. This is that last year Denver can get anything for Marshall. Unless they want to franchise tag him in the future. I’m still hoping for a fleecing.
No way that happens.
The Broncos won’t take anything less than the 6th overall or greater value. (14 +40 + something else)
We absolutely won’t be giving away our picks for the 14th overall.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Who's going to drive up the bidding?
The Seahawks looks like they are only bidding against themselves.
The Broncos are still bidders in this.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
But...
by only giving him a 1st round qualifier don’t the Broncos take the risk of New England or some other team with a late 1st signing Marshall to a contract containing a poison pill? I would think the Broncos would have applied the additional 3rd rounder compensation if they wanted to dissuade teams from going after him.
Possible.
The one team that I could see doing that is the Jets. They need receivers. The Ravens aren’t as big of a risk to do that after signing Boldin, but it’s possible.
In that case, oh well. What can we do?
The logic behind using the 1st and 3rd is to open up the market to a bidding war between a number of teams, rather than excluding those that didn’t have a third round pick. However, if someone poison pills a contract, that’s just a risk that comes with restricted free agency.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Dever guard Hamilton headed to Seattle for a visit
I guess if we sign him
we wont sign Rob Sims. Since when has it been a good idea to essentially trade a 26 year old guard for a 32 year old guard?
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In the words of the Great Don King...
Splendiferous!
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We already have an offer sheet out for Sims.
Unless you mean won’t sign him to a longer term contract….
sorry
i don’t quite understand. Did we already offer him a contract? Please elaborate.
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He is a fourth round tender
So Seattle can match any offer given to Sims or receive a fourth round pick from whatever team made the offer.
I knew that
I thought he meant we offered him a contract or something.
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Yes
Sorry for the confusion. I just meant that unless another team gives us a 4th rounder, he’s playing for us already. We won’t be trading a 26 yr old guard for a 32 yr old guard unless someone takes Sims away.
Ok, I see what you were saying, I got confused because the tender is a one year contract
But no, no long term deal for Sims yet
that's what i figured.
Who would play right guard next year if the current line remained in tact.
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It's part of the transition.
Personally, I think you can always trust Gibbs.
Wow. The Giants really outdid themselves with Rolle:
Giants signed FS Antrel Rolle to a five-year, $37 million contract that includes $15 million guaranteed.
He’s the NFL’s highest paid safety, ever.
did you
see the Giants safties last year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
Safeties
really tied in the Steelers and Giants defenses. Saints too… come to think of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
I just know we're going to give up the #6.
And I’m going to panic.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
God, that would be really dumb.
The whole city is going to panic.
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negative nancy
but now I’m concerned :(
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
I've learned to be pessimistic now that I've lived in Seattle for over 5 years.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
25 years for me
no wonder I’ve been suffering from Anxiety and Panic Attacks for the last year. Seattle has finally beat me :(
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 5, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Denver signs JJ Arrington.
2-14 it is!
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
No we'll get back at them.
They’ll give up their 2nd rounder for a first rounder and Kelly Jennings this draft.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
geez
is Kelly Jennings like the Carlos Silva of football that we would give up a first rounder just to get rid of him?
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Let's try that again
We’ll give up our #40 pick and in exchange we get their first rounder and they get Kelly Jennings.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
well it wouldn't be the first time
we gave up a second rounder and they got a corner for their first rounder.
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Man I'm happy I read this thread
First off, fucking Brandon Marhall!
But more importantly there were atleast 10 posts here that made me laugh out loud.
I missed you guys.
Time to go renew that season ticket of mine
What does a first round tender really entail
If Marshall were to sign an offer sheet with New Orleans, Denver would get only the 32nd pick. So from that one could infer that Denver values him at no more than the 32nd pick. If Denver valued him somewhere around the value of the 6th or 14th pick they would have used the highest tender. Thus Denver has really backed themselves into a corner from a negotiation standpoint if they wanted the 14th pick back. Realistically Seattle should be able to work out a trade using the 40th pick plus some change.
Technically speaking, New Orleans cannot even draft free agents this year
There is a pretty good explanation of this by John Clayton on ESPN
The Final Eight Plan. This is perhaps the most confusing issue of the uncapped year for fans, but the concept is pretty simple. The deeper a team went in the 2009 playoffs, the less it can do in free agency. For example, the final four teams in the playoffs — the Saints, Colts, Vikings and Jets — can sign an unrestricted free agent only if they lose a free agent. Don’t expect these teams to be in the free-agent bidding. Those four teams have 24 free agents combined, and few of them are starters — particularly if the Colts re-sign Brackett and the Saints re-sign Sharper. The four teams that lost in the divisional playoff round — the Cowboys, Ravens, Cardinals and Chargers — have a limited ability to go into free agency. They can replace a lost starter, but they can also sign one unrestricted free agent with a first-year salary of around $5.5 million. Basically, the top eight teams of 2009 have to take a wait-and-see position on free agency.
This still doesn’t mean that Denver puts Marshall’s value at a first round pick at all. This means that the MAXIMUM Denver wants is a first rounder, and that they want MORE than a second. (The next lower tender they could have designated Marshall.) This allows for teams to work out a trade that is not designated by a tender, such as a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year.
I think it’s important when assessing the value Denver places on Marshall that it’s understood that neither party wants him to sign a new contract with his current franchise. Both sides want out and Denver is more than happy they are in a unique situation to get some value on a great player that they WILL lose to free agency.
Keep in mind, if last years CBA were to be in place this year, Marshall would be an UFA and would receive nothing except possibly a compensatory draft pick the next year. If Denver fails to get rid of him this year and a similar CBA is in place next year they are in the same boat.
Technically, this is true.
However, the Broncos hold the right of first refusal if Brandon signs with NO. If the Broncos aren’t getting the value they want, they can just match the offer and keep Brandon or match it and trade to someone else.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
For all the talks of the free agent market being so barren
This year’s has been pretty damn exciting—at least for us.
Hey guys. I was reading the comments, but I just can't hold my tongue.
I don’t see that there is any way that we will settle for less than a first round pick.
In any trade negotiations, in the back of McDaniel’s and Xander’s mind will be the thought that a 6th overall pick is a fallback option. Basically, the motivation for Seattle to trade is to offset giving up their 6th pick and to make sure the Broncos to promise not to match their contract offer. So, in order for the Seahawks to get the Broncos to guarantee that we won’t match their offer, they need to give us something "ON TOP OF" their 6th overall pick. The 6th overall is a baseline value that is predetermined by the RFA rules.
Whether the seahawks will say "hey, we’ll throw in our second rounder on top of the 6 overall so that we can have exclusive rights to marshall", remains to be seen. The Broncos might be asking for more than that. In my opinion, I think that we could likely get the 6th overall and their 40th overall or their 6th overall and Sims. Something along those lines.
This is a reasonable offer because the Seahawks would then have exclusive rights to Marshall and could sign him to whatever contract they want, without having to look over their shoulder to see McDaniels checking out what they are offering.
The Broncos will not take anything less than a 6th overall. Plus, if the Seahawks say "well, we’ll give you the 14th and 40th picks", the Broncos will say no because, from the Broncos perspective, that is equivalent (according to the NFL Draft point values) to the 6th pick, anyways.
So, the broncos may as well just say "No thanks. You aren’t offering us any more value than we could get from the baseline RFA rules. We’ll just wait for your offer and figure out if we want to match it. If not, we’ll take your 6th overall (which I have seen from this thread that you don’t want to do). If you want to offer us MORE, then we can trade and you can have the rights to Marshall and sign him to anything you want and we won’t match it. Pinky swear."
The Broncos hold all the cards. If the Seahawks really want that 6th overall pick, like you have said that they do, we’ll use that as a negotiation threat if we don’t like an offer. Rest assured, the Broncos will not take any less than the 6th overall pick.
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Ha
6th and 40th? I know we have a different front office than the one who took advantage of you guys last year, but I don’t think anyone in the NFL thinks Marshall is worth that much.
TouchMyIchiro
Then why are you even trying to go after him?
The 1st round pick is guaranteed to the Broncos. That’s just a fact. Basically, the trade negotiations are to get the Broncos to refrain from matching your offer so that you guys can sign him to whatever contract you want.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
True, and the Broncos don't "have to" trade Marshall's tender to the Seahawks.
The Broncos are guaranteed at least a 6th overall pick, if they don’t want a trade, with the opportunity to match an offer that they feel they can manage. Not only are the seahawks trying to make a deal that Brandon will approve for as cheap as they can, they are also doing it with the Broncos having the option of saying “we can match that”.
Like I said, the trade negotiations are only for the rights to sign Marshall to a contract without worrying about the Broncos matching it.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
The Broncos aren't guaranteed anything at this point
And if no team bites on the tender, then what do the Broncos do? Just because what Denver WANTS is a first round pick, that doesn’t mean that’s what the market will give them. I’m not so sure Marshall plays next year for 2.5 million and he’s already rejected a 9.5 million a year Denver contract.
If no team bites on the tender, we pay him whatever price is guaranteed by the first round tender.
No big deal. We just get his services for one more year, just like we want.
If he doesn’t want to play for 2.5 million, then he won’t play and we won’t pay. He’d rather pay for 2.5 million than not play for 0 dollars.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
And you have a player that hates the coach and the city
and a team that hates the player. Marshall would likely hold out. I don’t think Denver has any leverage at this point.
by John Morgan on Mar 6, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He held out last season, too, and had one of his best seasons ever (despite missing the last game of the season and being suspended in preseason).
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but hopefully Marshall's not dumb enough to do that again.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 6, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
And face getting fined out of his already small salary?
Unlikely. The guy was pressed for cash last season. He can’t afford to get fined for missing regular season games.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, it's not that small, for one thing
and his agent would assure him it would lead to a huge contract.
Yeah, that's going to make for a happy team player
Nevermind the injury risk for playing another year on peanuts. If he gets injured, there goes his future capital. Maybe he’ll sign the 9.5 million contract, be happy, but it would be ridiculous of him to play next year for 2.5 million and get dicked around for yet another.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 6, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
We offered him a 9.5 million dollar contract and he turned it down because he wants a larger contract.
If he doesn’t go anywhere, he might still have a chance of getting that offer again. This little free agency exercise is for Brandon to see what he is worth and if he is offered a huge 15 million dollar per year poison pilled contract, he should absolutely take it and the broncos should absolutely take the first round pick they are guaranteed.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
So, when your playoff hopes were on the line, and your star wide receiver was kept out of the game because of unresolved personality conflicts
You saw that as a tenable situation? Because I think that’s madness.
That was more of a captain's decision than McDaniels, by the way.
I wasn’t happy with it, but it turned out that the Broncos don’t need Brandon as much as he thought. Orton threw for 431 yards without Brandon in the game (although two pick 6’s killed our chances). Either way, his drops in the Philly game and Oakland game certainly didn’t help us out, but I could go on for a long time about that.
Anyways, back to the “tenable situation”. Brandon’s character issues are a different situation than his relationship with the Broncos. His relationship with the broncos is reparable. His character issues might not be. He hasn’t gone a full calendar year, since his junior year of college, without a legal issue, suspension, McDonalds injury, etc.
I don’t think that the week 17 situation was indicative of the relationship between himself and the broncos, but it was more of a situation where his attitude upset the captains and the team.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
That the captains asked Marshall out only makes the situation worse.
I don’t see how you think his relationship with the Broncos is reparable.
Understandable. But it still sends a message that we can move the ball without him.
431 yards is more passing yards than we had in any game with Brandon Marshall on the field. Even in his record setting 21 reception game, the Broncos only had about 270 something yards.
3 interceptions did make for a terrible game, though. You are right, there. Giving up over 250 yards rushing didn’t help, either……
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
haha, agreed. Points are where it's at.
3 picks made for a terrible end to the season. When Brandon had 21 receptions against Indy, we lost 28-16. When Brandon was benched against KC, Jabar Gaffney caught 14 passes and we lost 44-24.
How’s that?
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Ouch.
Look at quality of opponent, that’s a horrible way to go, getting blown out by a poor division rival.
Indeed. It's tough to think about, but it's not nearly as tramatic as getting blown out by SD at home was in 2008.
The Broncos sure haven’t finished very well, in the past few years.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Another 100 reception season for over 1000 yards?
Sure. Why wouldn’t I want that?
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I phrased my question wrong.
As a fan, of course you want it. Does the FO? I don’t know…
TouchMyIchiro
Depends if no one else is offering anything for Marshall
Has any other team shown interest? Seattle isn’t bidding against the baseline RFA rules, they’re bidding against other teams. If even a second rounder is the highest any team is willing to give up for Marshall, Denver has to seriously consider it.
Also the RFA rules mean different things to different teams. The rule means squat in trade negotiations. If Dallas wants Marshall all they would have to surrender is the 27th pick, which is much less valuable then the 6th or 14th pick. Seattle offering a trade for the 14th pick is much more appealing for Denver then Dallas signing an offer sheet and Denver only getting the 27th.
There were talks of other teams being interested, but.......
even if they weren’t interested, the Broncos still have the right of first refusal. The Broncos, themselves, are a team that is interested in Brandon Marshall. If the Seahawks offer Brandon a contract and the Broncos would still like Marshall for that price, then we can match it, and will match it.
The Broncos already offered Brandon 9.5 million a year, which he turned down. The Broncos have shown that they are willing to pay him that much. The relationship between McD and Marshall isn’t broken, like everyone is saying. A week or two ago, both of them said that they are fine with each other. Brandon even said “I hope to be a Bronco.”
However, Brandon just wants as much money as he can get. The whole reason that the Broncos weren’t able to sign him is because Brandon wanted to test the market. The Broncos haven’t given up on signing him, but they want Brandon to see what the market is like.
I’m not sure that Brandon will be offered more than 10 million a year, based on his off the field troubles. If he is, then the seahawks front office is taking a huge risk. HUGE. I believe that if the Seahawks offer Brandon about 9.5 or 10 million, the Broncos will match it, unless the Seahawks compensate the Broncos.
I don’t know why everyone is assuming that things in Denver are irreparable. They aren’t. Everything was cleared up, but I guess since that isn’t as exciting as an offseason controversy, the MSM didn’t make it main stream news.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Who here said it was Broken?
And who said it’s been cleared up? I don’t know anything about their relationship, but Marshall was suspended at the beginning of the year and suspended for the last game. Those are facts. Just because they both publicly say shit’s fine, does that mean it’s true? Or just good PR because they both want other teams to be interested and Marshall out of Denver? Simple truth is, no one knows how strained that relationship is. And nobody reads MSM because nobody knows what MSM is.
And exactly, Seattle would be taking a HUGE risk on Marshall’s off the field troubles, and there are plenty, the troubles that are keeping other teams from being interested in Marshall (including Cincinnati of all teams) and thus reducing his value. Nobody bit on Marshall last year and it’s just as likely nobody will this year.
Well, the seahawks are biting right now. Isn't that the issue at hand?
It’s irrelevant what you think is “likely”, because it is happening right now. There is a market for Brandon Marshall. The Seahawks and the Broncos. There may or may not be other teams (I’m not answering the phones, so I don’t know).
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Seattle is entertaining Marshall, which is biting, yes.
And that’s a big difference between getting hooked. Who is Marshall visiting after Seattle? Kampman, for example, is visiting the Jags today and then possibly the Eagles and the Seahawks. Boldin had one biter, Baltimore, they struck a deal. We should know by now who’s interested in Marshall.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 6, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
It's a long free agency.
If he doesn’t go to seattle, that’s fine. There are other teams that need a receiver (including the Broncos). If a deal isn’t done with the Seahawks, that’s fine. No big deal.
However, if you really want Brandon Marshall, the Broncos aren’t going to give him away for a song.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Denver will get something valuable
but I don’t think they have much leverage, and I don’t think they will get nearly as much you’d like. If Marshall makes it known that he won’t sign a long term contract with anyone but Seattle, what little leverage is remaining is lost, and the Broncos are faced with either keeping an unhappy and misbehaving receiver against his will, probably for no more than one more season, and without compensation when he leaves, or trading now and turning a headache into resources.
If Marshall makes it known that he won’t sign a long term contract with anyone but Seattle, what little leverage is remaining is lost,
If that happens, Denver just says “alright, go ahead and sign him.” We get the 6th overall pick and move on with our lives.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
See, no, because Seattle can still walk away
and Denver is then left with a player that wants out, that is not liked or trusted by his team or its captains, that can’t be traded for value and won’t return after the 2010 season.
I don't see that as a major problem.
Marshall hasn’t said that he “wants out”. He did say that he wanted out of Denver, a few years ago, but he was drunk at the time and talking to cops. “I want out of this f****** city. Why aren’t you guys looking for DWill’s murderer?”
Now, you can take that for what it is. Whether you or the Seahawks believe that or not is irrelevant.
Sure, the captains wanted Brandon benched for week 17, but they weren’t urging that sentiment in week 1-16. He is a great guy and a great player, but every now and then he gets frustrated (with losses down the stretch and with his small contract).
If he gets a 9.5 million contract, I’m sure he would change his tone. If no team decides to sign Marshall this offseason, Brandon can still go back and talk to Bowlen, McD and Xanders about an extension and I’m sure they’ll hear him out.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
It turned out that even if we won that game, we still wouldn't have made the playoffs.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
And it's not like the team had a crystal ball
So there’s no way the team could know that winning would NOT get them to the playoffs. I’m starting to think we’re paying the troll…
Right, but we would have been much better off if we could have finished off Oakland, Philly or Indy in the three weeks prior.
Brandon played in all three of those games and we still lost them.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Terrell Owens didn't play well when he was unhappy either
Marshall might be a better receiver playing for 31 other teams than for Denver.
At any rate, even if a team loses three games in three weeks, and get to the last week of the season, and they BELIEVE there’s a chance at the playoffs, benching their best wideout is NOT the way to win the game. Unless you think the strategy was to lose so the Seahawks would have a higher second-first-round draft choice?
How could a team bench one of their best offensive players in a game that they believe they can win and go to the playoffs if they think they can win? It doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Unless you think the strategy was to lose so the Seahawks would have a higher second-first-round draft choice?
haha, that might have been it.
On a serious note, your question is definitely a good one. It is an issue facing lots of coaches around the world, not only in the NFL. If you are a coach and you have a high school all star wide receiver with a bad attitude who flunks a math test the day before a game, do you play him? It depends on what kind of coach you are.
If becomes an entirely different situation if your other players, your starting corner and safety, for instance, tell you about it. Obviously, it will hurt your chances of winning the game on friday, but his attitude has upset your team. Do you play the receiver even if it upsets some of the other players on your team? It’s tough to say.
It depends on where your stance is on discipline versus talent. McDaniels went with discipline over talent in that situation.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry Chirp. I just thought I'd offer a Broncos perspective.
If you want me gone, just say so.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
It's not that
I think it’s just your inability to grasp that the Seahawks probably (and this is speculation, like most of this thread) won’t offer Marshall a contract. They’ll instead work with Denver on a trade, and that trade CAN be for less than the #6 overall. And if the Broncos wait for a year, they will lose Marshall for nothing.
Would the Broncos really want a discontent player who the captains asked to be benched for a single year in which he won’t play his hardest when they can trade him for a 2nd rounder and players who WILL want to play for the Broncos? I think it is possible the Broncos will take less than the #6 pick, and I think it is impossible for the Seahawks to mortgage their future on Marshall.
You seem to think the opposite. It’s okay to disagree, I just don’t understand your logic, and it is starting to sound like a mantra.
Sorry for the troll comment, because troll you are not. I suppose I feel that you are not fully understanding the free agency concept as it pertains to tenders and offer sheets, and will remain blissfully, willfully ignorant of it. But you probably think the same thing about 70% of the people in this thread, including me.
Well, I'm not the only one who thinks this, Chirp.
Here’s an article just posted from a staffer at MHR. http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/6/1360068/brandon-marshall-open-thread
I saw, earlier, that there was something posted from John Clayton saying that the Seahawks could get marshall for a second rounder or less. That is unrealistic, if you ask me. The fact that Clayton was a Seahawk beat writer for a while might contribute to some of his bias.
Regarding free agency, the Broncos have the ability to take the tender off, at any time, if they decide to sign Marshall to a contract. The tender serves as a starting point for negotiation, like you’ve said. However, all that goes out the window if nobody signs Marshall.
If nobody signs marshall, then the Broncos can do whatever they want with him. They can use the tender and offer him little to no money with it, or they can sign him to a contract to raise his moral. Like I’ve said, I’m sure that if the Broncos offered him 9.5 million before, they will happily do it again if no other teams sign Marshall.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
But just because they'll offer him 9.5 million
doesn’t mean he’d sign. None of us really know the situation between Marshall and Denver as a city/organization or even his teammates. But you can’t just assume Marshall would sign for a longer contract just because the Broncos would offer one. This is what is so frustrating. I mean, a second rounder for Marshall may be a bit of homerism from us, but yours is even worse than ours.
TouchMyIchiro
If he doesn't sign it, then what will he do?
My comment assumed that Marshall wasn’t getting much interest around the NFL. If that is the case, then he can either sign with us or play out his one year tender or retire. The best option (unless he is tired of playing football) would be to sign the 9.5 million dollar per year contract. How long the contract will be, I don’t know. I bet that there will be clauses in it that will take out money if he gets in trouble, though.
That last part should be for any team, not just Denver, by the way. He’s a huge talent, but a huge risk. His next contract should offer him a lot of incentives and have a lot of clauses such as “you can’t get in legal trouble, you can’t leave McDonalds bags on the floor” and things like that. lol
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
If he's tested the market and they won't pay him over 10 million bucks, then he would be crazy to hold out.
9.5 million is a reasonable offer, given his off the field troubles. Once he tests the market, he’ll find that not many teams will be willing to pay him over 10 million bucks per year. 9.5 is about the best he is going to get.
If the Broncos want to pay him the first round tender, then sure. He should hold out for a contract. However, if a 9.5 million dollar deal comes along, he needs to sign it.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I do agree he's a big risk,
and I think he’ll have plenty of clauses and incentives.
But what’s to stop him from signing and holding out?
TouchMyIchiro
Well, if he gets a big contract that he likes, then I don't see what the rational would be on his part.
If he signs on the dotted line and is okay with a 9.5 million dollar per year deal, then he should be in camp. If the Broncos only pay him according to the tender, then sure, he could hold out.
However, if the market speaks and tells him that he isn’t worth much more than 9.5 million, then he shouldn’t hold out, regardless of who the 9.5 million comes from.
Technically, there isn’t anything stopping a player from holding out, at any time. However, right after you sign a 9.5 million dollar deal? I don’t think that is very smart on Brandon’s part if he does that.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
The frustrating thing about all this
is that you just assume Marshall will sign a 9.5 million dollar deal. You talk like it’s already happened.
And of course nobody who would fucking hold out after signing a 9.5 million dollar deal.
TouchMyIchiro
haha, and about the troll comment, no apology needed.
I’m just glad you guys are willing to discuss this. There are plenty of places where I would have been kicked off a while ago, just for presenting an idea that was contrary to that of the existing thread.
At least you guys are cool enough to talk it out.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I think if Seattle were prepared to surrender the #6...
That they would already have presented an offer-sheet to Marshall. The fact that Seattle is being patient and going through a feeling-out process speaks to the desire to pay a more reasonable price. Denver has little leverage which should logically drive Marshall’s price down. Marshall’s baggage is somewhat mitigated due to his young age and worth as a player.
I hope the two sides can strike a reasonable deal. I really don’t see the team risking the #6 on Marshall. To say Marshall is not a risk is folly. He could get suspended in a few days time if his history were to repeat itself. That is risk that has to factor in. The knucklehead factor. I would welcome Marshall and probably even buy a jersey if he becomes a Seahawk. I just really hope it’s at a price we can live with.
The seahawks are doing what they should.
It totally makes sense. According to the RFA tender rules, they would be required to give up the 6th. However, they are negotiating a deal to give up something else.
Whether or not the Broncos have leverage is debatable (and has been, already).
What we will all find out, pretty soon, is how invested the Seahawks are in Brandon Marshall and how invested the Broncos are.
Both sides, obviously, want as much as they can get. So, we’ll see in the next few days what goes on.
The fact that the Seahawks let Marshall go, IMO, tells me a whole lot. I think the seahawks are interested, but not interested enough to give up the 6th overall. Trade talks can ensue, but I’m sure that they’ve been talking trade all afternoon, anyways.
Of course, there’s always a chance that the Seahawks are interested in Brandon, but they want to give up a package deal instead of the 6th overall.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I think I pretty much agree with this post.
And now we can walk hand-in-hand with the smurfs (soon to be voiced by Katy Perry, George Lopez and Neil Patrick Harris in the completely necessary big-screen adaption on the way) and care-bears, and do the care-bear stare and sing folk songs and frolic, yes, frolic in a masculine manner.
haha, sounds good.
What kind of royalties are we making on that?
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
As the Seahawks negotiate with Marshall and agent Kennard McGuire today, the Broncos are to steer clear from the matter. There is no compensation discussion in the offer-sheet process. Should the Seahawks submit an offer sheet for Marshall, the Broncos would have seven days to match — or let him go for the No. 6 overall pick. Period.
Considering the deal Arizona just made with Baltimore for Anquan Boldin, a No. 6 overall pick would be tremendous compensation for the Broncos. Boldin is the receiver who most closely resembles Marshall in that both are physical, 100-catch, post-up type receivers. Boldin has more wear; Marshall has more baggage.
The bold are curious statements. I’m not sure I believe that. From the Denver Post.
Exactly. If the Seahawks are going to sign Marshall, the Broncos can't be in on those discussions.
The Broncos can’t be in the room trying to facilitate a low contract that they are able to match. That would be tampering.
However, from the sounds of it, the seahawks aren’t going to sign him. That means they’ll probably just talk with brandon a while and then make a phone call to Denver and see what kind of trade they could work out to retain Brandon Marshall’s rights.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Just think...
If we use the #14, then we’d have gotten Brandon Marshall for last year’s second rounder.
That’s some value right there!
How much huger of a risk would Seattle be taking by offering a mere half a million more a year than the Broncos are?
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by Carl Shinyama on Mar 6, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Probably not really a point of discussion
since it’s doubtful Seattle is gonna give up the 6th pick for him…
Well, they risk having that offer matched or they risk the Broncos taking their 6th overall.
From the sounds of it, Seattle won’t make an offer until Brandon’s tender is in their possession, after a trade.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
I get that. I do.
But that’s not what I asked.
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by Carl Shinyama on Mar 6, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't understand why anyone would believe that the Broncos will accept anything less than a first rounder for Marshall.
You guys would have to give up the 6th overall (at least) for the rights to Brandon Marshall. Those are just the rules laid out by the NFL for restricted free agents. It wouldn’t make sense, from a broncos perspective, to accept a second and fourth round pick instead, because they are guaranteed much more than that by the rules I have described numerous times already.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
Because that's how deals work
You don’t get negotiations or what? Always start selling high. If they tendered a 2nd rounder for Marshall, then they might end up with a low 2nd rather then a high 2nd. But if you tender a 1st then you can possibly get more. However, if no one offers a first round pick and Denver still wants to get rid of Marshall, then they have to consider settling for less but at least they can dictate where the pick is (rather then settling for a low 2nd).
Again, don’t know how this will shake out, but if you think just because Seattle is entertaining Marshall you’re all the sudden guaranteed the 6th pick, I think that’s a bit naive. You may end up being right, but there are way too many possibilities right now to say it’s definite.
Right, but Denver holds the cards.
If the seahawks want to get to Brandon, they have to go through the Broncos.
However, if no one offers a first round pick and Denver still wants to get rid of MarshallThis is assuming that Denver doesn’t want Marshall, at all. That is a bold assumption. Like I said, Denver has already offered Marshall a contract, so to say “Denver still wants to get rid of Marshall” is a falsity.
The big question is how much do the seahawks want Brandon? If they want him badly, they’ll give up no less than the 6th overall pick in the draft. That’s the bottom line. Why would Denver accept a lower price? If the Seahawks say that the 6th overall is too rich for their blood, GREAT. The Broncos sign Brandon to a very low contract and he plays for us next year.
The Broncos aren’t pursuing this with any urgency. They don’t need Brandon out of Denver by the end of the month, or anything. If the Seahawks really want Brandon, they better be willing to give up the 6th overall.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Well, we're both speculating on things we don't know
We don’t know if Denver wants to keep Marchall, we don’t know how badly Seattle wants Marshall and is willing to give up, and we don’t know if Marshall wants to play for Denver.
So there we go.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 6, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Touche.
The Darrent Williams trial certainly speaks to that, too. He said that he thinks about it every night. It must be tough having to be in Denver with the memories of your fallen friend around every corner.
At this point, it doesn’t really matter whether or not Marshall wants to play in Denver. If Denver wants to match an offer, then Brandon doesn’t have a choice in the matter.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Of course Marshall has a choice
He could retire, move to California, and study Ayurveda, the ancient Indian system of holistic medicine, and sit around smoking weed all day if he wanted to.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 6, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
hahaha, this is true.
However, there isn’t a million dollar contract associated with that. Jake Plummer retired when we tried to trade him to the Bucs. He played handball in Idaho. hahaha, so I guess that’s a similar situation to the one you are describing.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
haha, touche. I didn't know he went to california.
I thought he went to Jamaica. Shows how little I paid attention to Ricky Williams during that whole ordeal. lol. And to think that the Saints traded their whole draft for that guy back in the day…….
Tragic.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 6, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Seattle's intent seems clear to me.
By bringing in Marshall and NOT signing the offer sheet, the Seahawks appear to be feeling out Marshall’s desire to do a long term deal…. At which point they approach the Broncos as a potential trade partners (not as a team attempting to sign a RFA away from them).
I just don’t understand why anyone would believe that the Broncos will accept anything less than a first rounder for Marshall.
The asking price for Marshall is NOT the 6th pick. It’s a first rounder (should any team 1-32 sign an offer sheet). The Broncos are savvy enough to realize that the 6th overall pick may be overvalued for Marshall. As with any deal…the sticker price is usually never the transaction price
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/10692/video-latest-on-marshall
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Nothing really new, but a tidbit nonetheless:
The Seahawks are not expected to tender an offer sheet to restricted free agent Brandon Marshall during his Saturday visit. ESPN’s Adam Schefter labels the visit a “get-to-know-each other” session as opposed to a full-court press to get Marshall to sign. The process is not expected to happen quickly, and the teams could engage in trade talks in lieu of Seattle surrendering the No. 6 overall pick. Mar. 6 – 1:40 pm et
Here's Sando latest Marshall Blog
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/15148/broncos-marshall-visiting-seahawks
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I can't believe that anyone would speculate about this...
ESPN’s Bill Williamson speculates that Deion Branch could be involved in the deal if the Seahawks trade for Brandon Marshall. Branch has a history with Josh McDaniels from their time in New England, so it makes sense on that level. It’s hard to imagine the Broncos wanting him at $5.47 million, though, so Seattle would have to kick in some cash.
Source: ESPN.com
;)
Arizona trades a 4th rounder and a future 7th
for Kerry Rhodes? I don’t know much about him, but it seems like a good deal for a starter.
How would people fell if Seattle swapped their #6 for Denver's #11 pick along with Branch
and cash for Marshall?
NO.
Our need for a QB should be the first priority. Unless the team is absolutely convinced that both Bradford and Clausen will be gone at 6 (and I don’t know how they could be), we have to keep that pick.
I really like what iverson said above:
The asking price for Marshall is NOT the 6th pick. It’s a first rounder (should any team 1-32 sign an offer sheet). The Broncos are savvy enough to realize that the 6th overall pick may be overvalued for Marshall. As with any deal…the sticker price is usually never the transaction price
The tendered RFA price for Marshall is a 1st rounder. There are 32 first round selections. And that’s just the by-the-book price. The teams, if they are to reach an agreement, must IMO negotiate a deal without including the 6th overall pick which, due to our need for a QB, should be kept.
I agree.
The Broncos have never said it’s the 6th pick or bust…. it just so happens that the Seahawks (who have a #6) are interested.
—The Seahawks also have a #14 (which would fulfill the first round criteria).
—Branch, cash, and #40 could be valued as 1st round compensation by some people (in composite).
—Pick #40 and a future pick could satisfy Denver’s need for 1st round compensation (in composite).
There are just so many angles that could potentially satisfy the desired compensation, that making it a “6th pick or nothing absolute” is silly.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
Michael Lombardi posted an article about this
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Broncos-want-firstrounder-for-Marshall.html
Here’s a quote in case you don’t want to click the link.
I fully expect another team to jump into the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes at some point this week. Not certain which team, but it appears Marshall has more than one team interested in his services. I do know this: The Denver Broncos won’t negotiate a trade for Marshall. Either a team is prepared to pay a first-rounder or move along. Denver will not take calls on Marshall; it’s either an offer sheet or he plays in Denver next season. If Seattle really wants Marshall, it will take the sixth pick in the draft….
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Most all of what you have been saying makes sense, but here's my question...
Say another team that is picking in the latter half of the first round, (like the Bengals or the Patriots or the Jets) steps in and signs Marshall to an offer sheet. While the Broncos are deciding whether to match or let him go for that pick, could the Seahawks call and say “Hey, match the offer, because while we won’t give up the 6th pick, we can give you the 14th pick, which is still better than the 28th or whatever pick they’re giving you”?
Or I guess they could simply match the offer and keep him, too, if they decide that a low-first rounder isn't enough.
I just can’t imagine they were hoping to get an offer much better than the 14th pick for a wideout.
That's a great point, mkries. I'm guessing that is what the Seahawks are hoping for.
That would put the Broncos on the ropes, in this negotiation. With only two teams expressing interest, the Seahawks could be in the drivers seat, in your situation. However, if another team joins the fray, things could get messy. If the Dolphins, for instance, were to join the Marshall talks (not that they will, I’m just saying it for an example), then the Broncos wold be back in control of the negotiations.
If the Bengals made an offer to Marshall, with the Seahawks and Dolphins still interested, the Broncos could approach both Seattle and Miami saying "hey, the Seahawks/Dolphins are offering X for us to sign Marshall and trade him, what can you offer?
In the case of just the seahawks/bengals, like it is right now, then your situation is probably the case that Seattle is hoping for. However, since nobody has made an offer to Brandon, a lot of this is still undecided. It’s pure speculation to decide which team has the upper hand in these negotiations, but it sure is fun. lol
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 7, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Don't get your hopes up for the 6th pick
75% of people account for 3/4 of the worlds population.
by Pessimistic Optimist on Mar 7, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
It's pure Bullshit Posturing...
How exactly would that phone call go?
“Hello Denver Broncos Headquarters, how can we help you?”
“Hi, this is the Seahawks Front Office… we are inquiring about Brandon Marshall”
“Denver will not take calls on Marshall…you either sign an offer sheet or he plays in Denver next season. But we do have someone else we’d like to introduce you to. Our good friend DDT… that’s digital dial tone for you java-heads. Goodbye.”
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
Posturing seems to be starting now,
Sounds like Denver is trying to regain leverage by saying they will not accept less than a first rounder. Maybe the Hawks should look at Austen, WR from Dallas et. al. instead of Marshall, just to let Denver know there are other options on the market.
Jim Q.
Ryan Lilja
The Colts have just released Ryan Lilja, a starting guard. He’s listed at 6-2, 290 lbs. He could be a great fit for our zone blocking scheme.
Brandon Marshall
Nuff Said.
Make the move then other really good FAs will want to come here.
He is proven and the likelyhood that a top pick busts is a possibility.
I don't want to sound rude, but this isn't baseball.
You build a team through the draft, not free agency. And Brandon Marshall’s reputation doesn’t exactly scream “I want to play with that guy.”
Not really.
The baseball draft is a crapshoot outside the first 10 picks. Teams do most of their building through international signings, free agency, and trades.
More specifically, players who are drafted in baseball don't have much of an impact on the team for 3-5 years.
Most never make an impact. Baseball teams rarely draft based on needs. It’s almost always best player available. You can’t really build around drafts because there is so much uncertainty going forward.
So you never sign anyone?
Huh. Whole lotta NFL execs are going “oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh…..” right now.
Never sign anyone?
Who said that?
Teams in the NFL sign free agent players to solidify a position, not to lure more free agents. And when a team is in rebuilding mode, free agency isn’t the way to find a core group of players to build around— the draft is.
Brandon Marshall is not the kind of player you build a team around anyway. It would be wonderful to have him, but it would be stupid to give away top picks when the Seahawks need a franchise QB and a solid OL first.
Mike Bell...
Has anyone seen any update on his status? I swear I read something about him visiting this week just not sure when.
He visited on Tuesday.
I think he would be a great addition. If we could have a running back committee of Bell, Jones, Forsett, and Spiller, I would be ecstatic.
by TannerHoffman on Mar 10, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
He's way better than Jones
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
This isn't a draft or a FA qusetion, and it's just pure speculation,
but would anyone here have any interest in Brady Quinn?
I linked his college stats, and they’re eerily similar to Clausen’s.
Also, anyone who either lives in the Cleveland area or watched the Browns a lot last year know what his situation was? His stats aren’t horrible, but with Braylon gone, and Cribbs doing his thing, it’s hard to know what was going on.
Gut reaction is a big no.
I haven’t watched many Browns games, but I checked out their SBN site’s thread on the Seneca trade and it seems like most of the people there are hoping that Seneca is their new starter. If Quinn’s worse than Seneca then I’ll pass.
I'd rather go with Hasselback
who has shown that he can still be good when the stars align.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Even without the bionic arm, I think Quinn is one of the few quarterbacks in the league who would actually be a long-range downgrade.
Dude couldn’t throw downfield to save his life.
The only way I take Brady Quinn is if we also sign Jen Perez.
Then we would have an unstoppable all-EAS team. Unfortunately, I don’t think Jen Perez has what it takes to play in the NFL.
Honestly, though, I have my worries about Brady Quinn mentally. He may have the physical abilities to play quarterback, but I just don’t see him being a very good thinker. And his back-and-forth treatment in Cleveland can’t help. He would be like Brandon Morrow all over again. Who knows, though. Maybe a change of scenery is exactly what he needs.
I don't think anyone would be successful in Cleveland
Quinn could have been good
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
This is the other reason he will never be a great QB
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
I can't imagine the price would be that high.
Poking around teh interwebz, his rumored value would be about a third-rounder (or less).
Well if that's it... I'd be tempted.
Has Quinn’s value gone down so much that Clausen is a #6 and Quinn is only around ~#70.
How do we feel about Kolb?
I think if we get Marshall and Kolb in the FA and draft all lineman, I’d be pretty happy.
by spoonfulofpeter on Mar 10, 2010 3:20 PM PST reply actions
I'd be up for Kolb, however I don't think the Eagles would trade him.
And if they were up for trading him, I think they’d ask for too much.
Yeah
There is no way they trade Kolb. I think the “interest” in McNabb, Kolb, Anderson, and Whitehurst is all a smokescreen to make us not look so desperate to draft Clausen at #6. Clausen is totally PC’s guy though, and I think everyone knows it.
by TannerHoffman on Mar 10, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
He may also be Shannahan's and that is the problem.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 10, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Really small sample size, and just speculation,
but perhaps Shanahan likes guys with ‘big arms’: Elway and Cutler. Only two guys, but those two guys have rockets.
What has he done?
I think it would take a 1st rounder to get him.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
He's better than everyone else we have but Trufant.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 12, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Weren't we interested in him before he went to the Broncos?
I think this is a guy Holmgren hashad on his radar for a while.
Give me an offensive line or give me death!
by Generzal Zod on Mar 12, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
You're thinking Daniel Graham
Watson has been in NE throughout his entire career.
by aerozeppelin on Mar 12, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
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