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Moving Leroy Hill

Seattle might be out a very good talent. That is the cold, business outcome of a possible heinous crime. Leroy Hill is kind of an enthusiast's linebacker. He is not flashy or hyped and he's never filled out a stat sheet, but he makes good decisions, good tackles, shows good containment, good explosion down hill on the screen, and batters and wraps like few players can. But Hill is growing old anyhow, is always, always injured, and with this recent arrest and the Seahawks subsequently barring Hill from practice, he might just be gone. He might be nearing the end of his career in Blue.

One of many parting gifts given by Tim Ruskell is Hill's contract. It is voidable after the second season. It was, whatever your opinions of Ruskell, a brilliant stroke of negotiating. However, after the opportunity to void has passed, Hill is just another expensive player on a one-way road towards 30. The voidable year allows Seattle to escape, but moreover, it makes the embattled linebacker an attractive trade target. It might be the only thing apart from his talent that does.

With the way the draft is shaking out, Seattle's needs, and Carroll's scheme, moving Hill, even right now while his stock is low, might be the right move. If Seattle wants to stick traditional 4-3, it could draft Derrick Morgan and start Aaron Curry, Lofa Tatupu and David Hawthorne at linebacker. That's still a hell of a unit. If it wants to flex 3-4 but retain 4-3 principles, it could draft in my estimation the best pass rusher in this class, Brandon Graham. How sweet would it look having Graham and Curry challenging opposite edges? Where's the pass rush coming from? Everywhere. Graham could probably be had at 14, but if not, Sergio Kindle is not a huge step down.

The point is, Seattle has surplus talent at linebacker. Hill is expensive but tradable, and at an age where he is more valuable to an immediate contender than he is to a rebuilding team. The Seahawks have put an emphasis on this draft, and I think for good reason. Moving Hill can add a pick without opening another hole. For this team, in this position, with its roster, and its excellent depth at linebacker but startling needs almost everywhere else, it makes a lot of sense.

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Maybe next years pick,

but I have a hard time believing that a team will trade this years draft pick for a player who will likely miss games this year due to his legal troubles. If a trade occurs it will be a pick based upon playing time over the next year.

by Bad Mayo on Apr 15, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

We may as well keep him around then

He can play and with suspensions it will work out to just like a normal season where he gets hurt.

At least we aren't the Raiders?

by Generzal Zod on Apr 15, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

but he can stay home and get arrested

6 - Williams/Bulaga, 14 - Spiller, 60 - Houston make me something...something

by Generzal Zod on Apr 15, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be sad to see him go

But it might be the best thing for both parties, in this case.

by zeeehjee on Apr 14, 2010 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Would anyone want to trade for him before the extent of his legal troubles is known?

And the subsequent NFL repercussions? He could get suspended for much longer than Holmes, and is not viewed as highly.

by DJ C-Raig on Apr 14, 2010 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the possibility of jail time for Hill makes him pretty much untradeable

I predict Hill will just be released if the assault allegations are true.

by Kevaru on Apr 14, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Even a fifth

is preferable to waiting for the other shoe to drop re: what he’s planning on doing next.

Mr. Hill might be a very good football player, but he’s not real smart.

by Seahawks Blue on Apr 14, 2010 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Trade him.

He is always hurt. I keep relying on him because he’s part of that trifecta at LB we always seem to have, but he never seems to be on the field.

Fifth round pick? I’d take it. Hey, Detroit…

by djafrot on Apr 14, 2010 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha.

Funny I didn’t catch that.

by djafrot on Apr 14, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just want our 7th back

No 7th round pick means no Nick Reed, no Justin Forsett, no Steve Vallos, no Ben Obomanu. The 7th round has been fairly kind to us the last few years. (Thanks Tim!)

by Kevaru on Apr 14, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

A seventh rounder starting at center in his second year is unbelievable.

Vallos acquitted himself pretty well under the circumstances. We might have gotten lucky with him.

by BurtonOerney on Apr 15, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very.

I think he’s pretty bad, but he at least made the team and can back up. That’s better than the far majority of seventh round picks.

by djafrot on Apr 15, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Branch and Hill for the 3rd?

….Okay that’s actually not a good deal.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Apr 14, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd trade him for a 5th.

Or I’d even be happy to trade him in a Whitehurst style trade, say him + our second 4th to move into the 3rd. Or even him + one of our second 5th to move into the 4th.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 14, 2010 5:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Oops, messed up on that edit...

I guess it could be either of our two 4th’s or two 5th’s, depending on how far up into the earlier round we move.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 14, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leroy

I’m betting the charges get dropped.

Leroy will still get suspended – and he should be – but it won’t be as bad as it looks right now.

by AnchorageHawkFan on Apr 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Legal troubles, pending 4+ game suspension, and injuries means he is probably here

IF this were a few months ago it may blow over but being in the news so close together and right before the draft I doubt we move him.

I bet there is an 8 game suspension coming, do we have to pay him for games he is suspended from?

At least we aren't the Raiders?

by Generzal Zod on Apr 14, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Trade him to the Jets!

They need a pass rusher! They’ll take anyone! Give us a 2nd Rexxie!

by G'd Up on Apr 14, 2010 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

bubble bubble bubble - cough cough cough

tight breath – why do you say that? – exhale

At least we aren't the Raiders?

by Generzal Zod on Apr 14, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'd do that

Ryan doesn’t mind scum bags and Washington has shown he can carry more of a load than Forsett can.

At least we aren't the Raiders?

by Generzal Zod on Apr 14, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly, so would I.

But there’s no way it ever would. I would be stunned if Hill and Forsett would be enough to take away Washington and a pick.

by why's-guy on Apr 14, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh wait, wasn't Washington injured last year though?

I thought he almost always played the offspeed back to Thomas Jones too…actually on second thought I wouldn’t do HIll/Force for Washington either.

by why's-guy on Apr 14, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Hill.

I can understand the thinking here, but in my estimation Hill is worth more to us than the league as a whole. A 5th-round pick would not be enough to let him go.

Plus, this would be a sell-low. Perhaps he racks up some good numbers in 2010, this blows over, and he increases his trade-value. Perhaps his demand goes up after the pre-season and some games in which teams around the league lose linebackers to injury.

Now is not the time unless the bounty had for him is very attractive.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Apr 14, 2010 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a feeling a lot of us are overrating the value of a 5th round pick

Leroy Hill is a better player in 2010 than whoever we would draft with that hypothetical pick; the only question is how much time is he going to miss this season. There are plenty of athletes that have legal trouble similar to Hill and continued playing, and there plenty of athletes that didn’t offend again, too. None of us know Leroy Hill.

It’s up to the Seahawks to decide if he is worth more or less than whatever draft pick we can get for him. I don’t think a 5th rounder is worth that much (and we’d have to draft Hill’s replacement, presumably), and Hill’s voidable contract makes his continued presence less risky. Let’s not break out the Jump to Conclusions mat just yet.

by J.L. White on Apr 14, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Postscrpit: The Seahawks decision is also affected by how likely he'll serve jail time.

Of course plenty of athletes have slipped out of a trip to the big house before. Maybe fellow linebacker Ray Lewis can give him a tip or two.

by J.L. White on Apr 14, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The reason to look into trading Hill isn't just because of his recent legal issues.

He’s injury prone, he’s starting to age on a team thats rebuilding, his voidable contract would make him a low downside high upside candidate for a trade partner and while the Hawks don’t have much depth at linebacker the depth they do have can start. The pending suspension/jail time is just one part of all that.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 14, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its also based on the money that we would have to pay him after this year

Unless he renegotiates this is his last year. If we aren’t going to be that competative, and it doesn’t create that big of a hole, then trade what you would lose anyway.

by stufr on Apr 15, 2010 4:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think jail time

Will play a factor in everything in his life for a while.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 16, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing we will get anything in return for Hill

He hasn’t met with Goodell yet after his pleading guilty to the Marijuana charges. Let’s say that was going to net him 2 to 4 games of a suspension.

The thing with his GF is going to at least double that and now he is a 2nd time offender… AND he is facing jail time.

Not to mention teams aren’t lining up to trade for over-payed linebackers. Holmes is at least making a small amount of money for a SB MVP.

It's a Casio on a plastic beach

by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 14, 2010 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Did I miss something?

It would be difficult to convict a repeat offender with no money and a public defender on a DV assualt 4th charge. That’s the type of charge that’s used as an excuse to hold someone over night after the cops get called to a domestic dispute. Could it potentially jeopardize his probation in GA? Sure, but they’re not going to get him on that DVA 4th. At most he’ll pay a fine or there’ll be an “undisclosed settlement”. Can it still cost him some games? Absolutely and I’d be surprised if it didn’t. But I would be very surprised if he set foot in another jail cell because of this.

by lackskill on Apr 14, 2010 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I was just making a point

I’m not trying to make a case for keeping him but people seem to be jumping on the bandwagon that he’s damaged goods because of his legal troubles. While he isn’t helping himself out, he hasn’t put himself into a position where he’s facing long term repercussions… Yet.

Last season I would have said no way he should be traded. Today I would understand if he was.

by lackskill on Apr 14, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they'll change the charges to third degree assault

As the woman was talking to her mother, Hill “became agitated and attempted to take the phone from her,” the report said. The woman tried to go upstairs to get away from Hill, but Hill yanked her down by her ponytail, investigators said.

The two began pushing each other around the foyer, knocking over and breaking a lamp in the process, according to the report. When the woman tried once again to head upstairs, Hill grabbed at her arm, scratching her and leaving visible marks, investigators said.

Hill then pushed his girlfriend, who was standing at the top of the stairs, “causing her to fall backwards down the stairs, landing at the bottom of the stairs,” the report said.

Sounds more like third degree than fourth. Hill’s side of the story is nothing like that and sounds like a lie.

http://www.komonews.com/sports/seahawks/90804119.html

It's a Casio on a plastic beach

by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 14, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's see he's 6'1" 240 and ripped, she's not maybe even petite, most likely attractive - and there is a whole other level of issues to pile on the situation if she is white

Who knows who what the truth but one thing is certain and that is that Leroy Hill is a moron for putting himself in this situation.

At least we aren't the Raiders?

by Generzal Zod on Apr 14, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could see that

Or, maybe she stops cooperating and the charges get dropped. It’s hard to say at this point. He’s an idiot either way.

Too bad.

by lackskill on Apr 14, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

hi john

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by j-man on Apr 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT reply actions  

3rd round pick

he was drafted in the 3rd round, and always made plays when he was on the field. Why should the seahawks always settle for low picks?

by blazerbill on Apr 16, 2010 1:10 AM PDT reply actions  

One could dream

But a 5th or early 6th is more realistic. A player may be drafted high, but if he doesn’t play at that level, he won’t be worth that much anymore.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 16, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that Hill must go

but I believe that our two picks ought to go towards O-line players. I’d draft LT and 6 and LG at 14. The team showed last year that they are rich in talented depth at LB and should not waste a pick on one.

What? No SOUL?

by mrcoffee1969 on Apr 16, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

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