Welcome the Too Damn Tantalizing Mike Williams
What makes a talented, successful receiver bust in the NFL? Injury, criminal behavior, an unwillingness to work, disappearing tools, incompatible style, and being drafted by a broken franchise. That's my list, anyway. What made Mike Williams bust?
A Year Off
Williams was the other memorable talent caught in the Maurice Clarett mess. Williams made a bad decision following the legal limbo created by federal judge Shira Scheindlin's ruling that:
Scheindlin, accepting the antitrust-law arguments raised by lawyer Alan C. Milstein, ruled that the NFL could not bar Clarett from participating in the 2004 NFL Draft.
...and was barred from college football. Long story short: Williams went to seed in his season off. Kind of boned the Combine:
The knock against the 6-foot-5, 229-pound Williams has been his lack of speed. He ran two 4.59 40-yard dashes at the NFL combine.
...and was drafted 10th overall by the Lions.
The Six Inch Pianist
The 2005 Lions were 5-11 and featured two head coaches: Steve Mariucci and Dick Jauron. Mooch was fired after Detroit was beaten down at home by the mediocre Jim Mora Falcons. Jauron finished out the season and brought his pox to the people of Buffalo. Mariucci is who matters.
Mooch made his name coaching up Brett Favre and then road the dying embers of the San Francisco 49ers juggernaut. He landed in Detroit before retiring to broadcasting. He runs a Walsh through Holmgren type of offense that relies on timing and short patterns. Williams had played in a West Coast offense under Norm Chow, but the playbooks were different.
Williams caught passes from Joey Harrington and Jeff Garcia, and it was with Garcia that he achieved what little success he had. He had 29 receptions for 350 yards receiving overall, but 15 receptions for 192 yards in the five games Garcia led the team in pass attempts (4 starts, 1 rescue). All in all, Williams had a rotten rookie season on a rotten, dysfunctional team.
The Martz Year
New Lions head coach Rod Marinelli hired Mike Martz. He was aprototypical in the Martz system. Williams was traded to the Raiders a season later. There he was reunited with Lane Kiffin.
Punitively Cut
Williams barely had a chance to suck before this happened:
On October 28, 2007 in a road game against the Tennessee Titans, Raiders quarterback Daunte Culpepper threw a pass to Williams which, if caught, would have given the Raiders the first down and brought them into the red zone. Instead, Williams dropped the football and the Raiders lost possession, on a turnover on downs, and lost the game because the Titans maintained possession for the remaining time on the clock. Williams' error turned out to be his last play with Oakland as the Raiders released him a few days afterward.
He signed with the Titans. Chris Mortensen reported that Williams weighed 271 pounds at the time of the signing.
Etc.
The Titans dropped Norm Chow and Mike Williams before the 2008 season. Chow signed with UCLA. Williams drifted out of the league. The complexity and notoriety of Williams failure makes it seem like he's been around forever, but he only turned 26 this January. He's certainly a bust, but is he a bad prospect?
By my tally, Williams busted because of:
Unwillingness to work
Incompatible style
Being drafted by a broken franchise
Not:
Injury
Criminal behavior
And probably not:
Disappearing tools.
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Hopefully being reunited with his college coach
will help him to overcome the reasons why he busted out. Are you able to compare his skills to Brandon Marshall’s or is there not enough information on Williams to do it properly?
by seattle_since_81 on Apr 15, 2010 8:01 PM PDT reply actions
Well, there's enough information for this comparison:
Marshall >> Williams.
Agreed.
327 catches in 61 career games (Marshall), 44 catches in 30 career games (Mike Williams).
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
He just needs to average 9 receptions a game for 2 years.
Without getting hurt or being terrible.
Couldn't hurt right?
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice
Unwillingness to work, incompatible style and being drafted by a broken franchise all seem like things he can overcome here in Seattle. He knows this is his last opportunity to try and right his wrongs and what a great opportunity it is with his old coach.
From 6’5" and 229 to 271 lbs! I wonder how much he weighs now. He probably weighed 220 lbs in college. He looks pretty damn near ripped in the Seahwks jersey photos though. If this works out, it’s one plus for having a guy like Carroll.
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 15, 2010 8:08 PM PDT reply actions
One of the reports said 230 I believe.
Looks like he’s at least lost the weight, and if looks mean anything is in decent weight room shape. From here to September there is time to get the conditioning, so if they keep him around and he wants it, he could be in maybe his best shape since college.
Mike Williams just signed with the Hawks
along with fullback Ryan Powdrell. Anyone else think we should sign Reggie just for good measure?
John, or anyone in the know... can Williams be made into a #2 TE?
The third TE rarely hits the field, NORMALLY, right? We could keep Williams on the squad, even if he doesn’t quite fit as a starting WR, by moving him to TE and bulking him up.
Just a thought. Might make for some nightmare matchup scenarios if we come out with Housh, Branch/Butler, Forsett, Carlson, and Williams.
It's possible, I guess.
Ernest Wilford did it last year for the Jags. However, if Mike is hovering around 230 in mini-camp as he said, that’s too light for TE.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
You're proposing he stick around to play the role Jimmy Graham played in the Miami offense at the beginning of last year?
It’s interesting, for sure, although he’s not nearly the mismatch presented by Graham’s height. More importantly, why mess with his development, if you can call it that, by changing his position? Why not just keep him at WR and line him up in the slot in the red zone?
The Williams duo will do for Seattles offense what the Williams duo do for the Vikings defense.
In a perfect world. You know, the one where Hasselbeck lights it up for 5,000 yards and 50 tds next year.
But anyway, certainly a lot of potential here. And as already said, there is a lot of hope that Carroll’s history with him can get him back on track. If so, would be a hell of a steal. We’re certainly all rooting for him.
Correction:
Whitehurst lights it up*
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 16, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Adam Samberg is some guy that Nick Andron knows who pulled a Paul Reubens.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 16, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuck.
hangs head in shame
6/14/60. Sweet.
by Nick Andron on Apr 16, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
How would you rate his tools when he was drafted?
His forty time wasn’t awful after taking a year off but I’m not very familiar with how legitimate an NFL prospect he was.
He was drafted in the first round...
so I think that suggests that at least Millen thought he was a legitimate NFL prospect. That must count for something, right? Er. Right?
Check this:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=32698&draftyear=2005&genpos=WR
NFLDraftScout had him their #2-rated WR behind Braylon Edwards (2004)
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Wow, there's a lot of bust and underperformance on that list, other than Roddy White at #6
Link to list rather than Williams bio
Goes to show how hard it is to project WRs.
Just like he did at USC (except with superior talent), Carroll is amassing an army of long shots to see what sticks
This is how the Cleveland Indians assembled their roster in Major League.
by abender20 on Apr 15, 2010 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Paul Allen's naked picture will be motivation for them to win?
by seattle_since_81 on Apr 15, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This guy here is dead
Cross him off then
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
So he was reunited with Lane Kiffin and Norm Chow and showed no results
Should his reunion with Carroll be any different?
Because he's a few years older and more mature now and finally realizes how blessed he is to play in the nfl with a box full of cute little kittens on the back of a penguin unicorn
by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 15, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
He did go back and finish his degree
during his time out of the NFL, I hope that is an indication of some kind of maturity perhaps.
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Wasn't he 40 pounds heavier when he re-united with them?
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 15, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This is fun:
“Mike Williams owns Leon Hall” Video
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Dang...
If he could get into optimal shape and refine his route-running…tantalizing is definitely the word for it. I think what’s happening here is I’m just drooling over how beefy this guy looks. Fitz-esque.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
F*ck it!
I’m in. Why the eff not? This team has no reason not to sign Mike and Reggie and draft another Williams in the draft. I would take this potential failure over Obo any day.
An opportunity for greatness is all anyone can ask for a team. Obo will not deliver that, but can be a contributor. Williams cubed can deliver it; or not. However, when “not” delivering is basically assumed, why not.
I’m hooked again. Back on the wagon again. Completely retarded about the Seahawk’s again. Feels damn good.
It is what it is...
Your list may not be all inclusive
You mentioned injury, criminal behavior, an unwillingness to work, disappearing tools, incompatible style, and being drafted by a broken franchise. Not that this applies to Mike Williams necessarily, maybe it does, but what about over-inflated abilities or tools to begin with? Perhaps he over-achieved in college.
Thats kind of what I was trying to get at with my comment.
Maybe his tools didn’t disappear, maybe his tools weren’t ever there. I’m not sure why we think Williams should have ever been good. What seperates him from Mike Hass?
I can't give a full-on evaluation.
But I do remember watching him play two or three times at USC, and he was an absolute monster. I do remember one absolutely stunning one handed catch on a slant in the endzone… anyone else remember which game that was? Unreal.
He just seemed to have the physical tools to dominate at the next level. Sure, there are a bunch of guys with size and speed who don’t pan out as all-stars, but for someone to bust as bad as Williams did smacks of some seriously bad situation.
Dec 6, 2003 vs Oregon State. Image posted below.
I would love to see what he would do lined up across from Kelly “Bambi” Jennings.
by Trojan Knight on Apr 15, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The same way we know Nick Reed is not Vernon Gholston.
by John Morgan on Apr 15, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure thats a great comparison.
Gholston performed vastly better in all of his combine drills than Reed. Williams has a few inches on Hass but they otherwise measure out similarly. Maybe Dwayne Jarrett is a better comparison than Hass but it’s not anymore favorable.
Speaking of Gholston...
The talk radio pundits are calling for his release out here in NYC. I wonder if Carroll would take a run at that. He seems like a good fit for that Elephant position.
Although if the famous Rex Ryan can’t work his magic then who can?
by nickfru1 on Apr 15, 2010 10:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm
Mike Williams own USC and Pacific 10 Conference freshman records.
As a freshmen Williams was named First-Team Freshman All-American choice by The Sporting News, Scripps/Football Writers, and Rivals.com. Selected as the Pac-10 Freshman of the Year, named to the All-Pac-10 second team, All-American honorable mention, The Sporting News Freshman All-Pac-10 first team, and The Sporting News All-Pac-10 Freshman Offensive Player of the Year.
As a sophomore finalist for the 2003 Biletnikoff Award (nation’s top receiver) while finishing eighth in Heisman Trophy voting. He also earned first team All-American (AP, ESPN.com, Football Writers, and SI.com among others) honors. Williams also was a 2003 All-Pac-10 First Team selection and CBS.Sportsline.com National Player of the Year.
There’s a reason Mike Hass was a walk-on that was eventually picked in the sixth round after four years of college and Williams was picked 10 overall after sitting out a whole year.
If Mike Williams stayed all four years at U$C and put up the same numbers he had put up his first two years, he would have for sure walked away with a Biletnikoff Award.
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 15, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Didnt Hass win 2 Biletnikoff awards?
by nickfru1 on Apr 15, 2010 11:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No
That was Michael Crabtree
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 15, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 19, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I know all of that
The year Mike Williams was a runner up, Braylon Edwards became the first WR to have 17 games with over 100 yards in a career. He also was on the short list of over 3,1000 yds seasons and was the big ten MVP.
The year Hass won it, there was only 1 WR taken in the first round (Holmes). Hass became the only pac-10 receiver and one of only 10 receivers to have three or more 1000 yds plus seasons.
If Mike Williams would have stayed for his junior season, he would probably have three or more 1000 yds plus seasons, and probably would have stolen Hass’ Biletnikoff award. It would have been crazy that that year two players (barring injury to Williams) would become the two first ever to have three 1000 yds seasons in the pac-10 at the same time.
Hass is slower, weaker and 4 inches shorter than Williams, not to mention Williams is so much more physical.
Awards don’t mean all that much when we are talking about a player’s future. Look at Jason White.
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 15, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I know awards don't mean anything.
The two players are still a fairly good comparison. Mike Williams is bigger, no doubt, but it’s not like Hass is small. And Williams put up very similar numbers to Hass but he did it at USC in an absolute juggernaught of an offense while Hass was doing it at Oregon St.
Really though my only point with comparing him to Hass is that a wide receiver’s production in college doesn’t mean anything. I’m just curious why we would think anything of BMW if we look past him beasting on the Pac10.
Yeah good point about the difference between playing at U$C over ASU
I wonder what his dropped pass rate was in college. Some reason I think he was known to have great hands unlike Braylon Edwards who was a similar style receiver.
Not only is he 6’5" but he also has long strong arms.
Not only does he run a sub 4.6 40 at that height, (there’s not many guys that have 40 times better than that, that are as tall as that) but he was one of the, if not THE most physical WR in the NCAA at the time he was in college.
It’s kinda crazy that when he was in shape, he had all of the things going for him that Brandon Marshall has going for him now.
I just wish I could drop 40 lbs and get back to my playing shape.
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 15, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Crazy that he's only 2 months older than Brandon Marshall
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It's also crazy that.....
until Marshall signed his new contract this week, Mike Williams had made about 2-3 times as much money as Marshall ($10.5 million guaranteed, or $238,636 per reception). Really reinforces the need for a rookie salary cap.
by Mind of no mind on Apr 16, 2010 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I've always rooted for the "busts" because as far as I know (not far) players not fitting in systems is the most common reason for busts. So I hope that we have the right system for him, and don't try to fit him to our system.
What’s that saying? You can’t fit a square peg into a round hole…or something like that.
Unless you are talking about elite talent WRs really depend on who is throwing the ball
That is why Calvin Johnson can put up monster numbers in Detroit but Roy Williams (who is just a good receiver didn’t.) Chris Cooper said it best something like it doesn’t matter if a corner can run a 4.4 when I run my own speed, am half a foot taller, and stronger.
So if our QB has time to throw, being 6’5 will help make things happen, assuming he has decent hands.
6 - Williams/Bulaga, 14 - Spiller, 60 - Houston make me something...something
by Generzal Zod on Apr 16, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully something like this
something like this
Leon Hall is not a scrub either.
6 - Williams/Bulaga, 14 - Spiller, 60 - Houston make me something...something
by Generzal Zod on Apr 16, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I love comparing him to Marshall.
Only without the ticking time bomb thing…
I, too, root most for the busts. It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.
Keep in mind he hasn’t had all those over-the-middle hits on his body for the last 3 years, either. And I tend to agree wit the speculation that Reggie is busy negotiating a better contract, though not likely a much better one.
I can see it:
Carlson, Housh, Williams, Williams and Butler to go long.
If all of them are in NFL shape and he has longer than 2 seconds to throw, Hasselbeck goes Pro Bowlin’.
Successful team's in the modern NFL need guys like this
I don’t mean big wide receivers (thought they help). I mean reclamation projects: busts with upside and sometimes guys who made some bad off-the-field decisions.
I also mean street free agents, undrafted players, and late round picks that become productive starters or even probowlers. The Jeff Saturdays, Antonio Gates, and Marques Colston’s of the world. Throw in a dash of low profile free agents and a healthy serving of good high round draft picks and you have yourself a championship team.
Most or all of the top teams in the league feature a few of these types of players. The Colts have a bunch, IIRC so do the Saints.
There’s been a real dearth of these in Seahawk land the last few years. There’s Mebane, though as a 3rd round pick he’s arguably a bit outside the ’late round/undrafted/former bust type players I described above. Justin Forsett could turn out to be a guy like this if he continues to improve.
The Superbowl team featured a decent group of these guys: Bobby Engram, Joe J, Chuck Darby, Marquand Manuel were all low profile free agent signings. Sean Locklear and Leroy Hill were mid-round guys that really produced early on.
But since the middle of the decade, the Seahawks have definitely gotten lunchbucket performance from their group of practice squad scrubs
The other thing here...
is that we have barely anything at WR. TJ, Branch, and Butler are likely at the top of the depth chart, backed up by various floatsam and jetsam none of whom should be shocked at not making the team. For that matter, PC/Schneider might move Branch today for a bag of balls and an autographed Tom Brady rookie card.
So, if PC is serious about promoting competition he could do a lot worse than bringing in a decent (at worst) talent with minimal expectations at minimal money. To get back on top, Seattle is going to have to find some talent through some unorthodox channels. The Chollyhorse trade was the right thinking, if not the best execution. But realistically, what’s not to like about this Williams move? It’s the high upside/low risk move we want this front office to be making.
Of course in the Peter King re-telling it’ll be, “Carroll likes former Trojan bust more than Brandon Marshall!!!”
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Already hearing
"Carroll likes former Trojan bust more than former Husky bust!!!"
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Apr 16, 2010 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen anything about if Reggie yet
PC made it sound like we might sign him too. I don’t think the seahawks have anounced anything yet, we only know what agents have said. Unless there is something more out there.
Any sentence with the phrase "trojan bust" is an ill omen
…you just hope it ends with a period.
by Jason_D on Apr 16, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Well said.
My mind immediately went the same path, but you sealed the deal with a .
6/14/60. Sweet.
by Nick Andron on Apr 16, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you made that up yourself.
Because it sounds too good to be true!
I like the Huskys, but
I’ll take the Trojan busts anyday. I mean, have you seen the Song Girls??!?
That's 'Huskies', to you.
;)
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Peter King sucks and is tool for whoever is on top in the NFL
If it were the Colts, Patriots, Saints, or Steelers it would be a mark of brilliance for finding talent others looked over.
6 - Williams/Bulaga, 14 - Spiller, 60 - Houston make me something...something
by Generzal Zod on Apr 16, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
He's still just a flier at best
The summary of Williams’s reasons and non-reasons for being a bust is probably accurate, but the whole “unwillingness to work” thing stands out above all the rest.
Being drafted by a broken franchise? I thought Williams was one of the very reasons that franchise was considered broken. You know, that whole thing about reaching for a WR in the first round after drafting WRs in the previous two first rounds. Yes, he had bad quarterbacks throwing to him, but others didn’t fail there as thoroughly as he did — Roy Williams looked like a star there, and Charlie Rogers was very promising until drugs derailed his career.
Incompatible style? Maybe. But I suspect that if Williams had been productive in the pre-Martz era, they would have found a way to make it work. Or at least trade him for a valuable chip, rather than dumping him off on Oakland.
So, it really comes down to the fact that he was lazy, which is corroborated by his 271-pound appearance in Tennessee. And that’s no small thing, obviously; it’s derailed a lot of careers.
If there’s a glimmer of hope, that picture of him in the Seahawks uni does not look like someone who’s 271 pounds. That, and I guess playing for a coach who once coaxed some production out of him in the past. He doesn’t appear to be a malevolent person. But a flier with just a little upside is all he is at this point; he’s not even particularly young anymore.
by Suburban Shocker on Apr 16, 2010 8:09 AM PDT reply actions
He's the same age as Brandon Marshall.
The most important part of this is that he’s presumably quite cheap and as such can be easily cut. Sure, the probability that he turns into something useful isn’t all that high, but on a bad team with many holes to fill in the roster, I don’t mind Carroll buying a few scratch tickets as long as he is willing to part with most of these guys.
Absolutely.
I have nothing against the signing for the price. He does have some talent (though he was never talented enough to justify a top-10 pick). Heck, even at his Detroit level he could still be the third- or fourth-best receiver on the roster right now, so why not. I guess the point I was really trying to make is that expectations should be kept low, and any upside should be seen as gravy. The three cited factors are all there, sure enough. But the unwillingness to work is kind of a big deal, and the other two factors sound, to some extent, like excuses for his lack of production.
by Suburban Shocker on Apr 16, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Or to summarize more succinctly:
If you read this post as “his bust status can be explained away and he can finally realize his potential in new surroundings,” I would just say don’t hold your breath. I’m not saying the post was quite that optimistic, but one might read it that way.
by Suburban Shocker on Apr 16, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
But he is so cheap at this point who cares?
If anything he is a big person to have to have on our practice squad or he gets cut in training camp. If he can some how make it on the team and serve as a solid no.4 or special teams guy then great.
I think Reggie Williams could have a real resurgence with us because he has shown that he can play in the NFL.
6 - Williams/Bulaga, 14 - Spiller, 60 - Houston make me something...something
by Generzal Zod on Apr 16, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Age aside
Compare the signing to a UFA/7th round flier. Little cost, likelihood is great that he’ll just be training camp fodder, but every now and again you luck into Wes Welker/Marques Colston.
by Thomas Beekers on Apr 16, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
He was young and cocky
He had time away from the game and I think he had to learn a harsh lesson that size and talent won’t let you dominate in college like it did the NFL.
6 - Williams/Bulaga, 14 - Spiller, 60 - Houston make me something...something
by Generzal Zod on Apr 16, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
err reverse that and I am off to get more coffee
6 - Williams/Bulaga, 14 - Spiller, 60 - Houston make me something...something
by Generzal Zod on Apr 16, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
"Roy Williams looked like a star there"
Who are you, Jerry Jones? Roy Williams has never looked like a star anywhere. Period. Roy Williams looked exceedingly mediocre is more accurate.
Detroit has been dysfunctional since around the time they chased Barry Sanders away.
What I like about the Williams/Williams move is that...
…it is more emotionally satisfying to root for these guys to succeed, knowing all the while the odds against them. If by some fluke one of them has a pro-bowl season, we can get really excited. Really nothing to lose.
Signing Marshall, on the other hand, would have brought a different set of expectations, ones most likely dashed during the course of the season, and even if Marshall was truly successful in Seattle green and blue, it would be no more than we would have expected i the first place.
So here’s to cheering on the Williams’s and wishing them the best of luck. Fielding Housh, Williams, Williams and Carlson on the same snap would be something to see. I mean, how would you defend that? And what about their ability to block on the edge? Wouldn’t that be worth something?
Take out one of the Williams and add Spiller in to that mix and it's a good offense!
Also we can fix up other positions – like the o-line, d-line, and secondary. If they don’t pan out then so what, there are always FA WR’s who can come in. Marshall addressed one problem but at a cost of addressing other problems.
6 - Williams/Bulaga, 14 - Spiller, 60 - Houston make me something...something
by Generzal Zod on Apr 16, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I suspect Spiller won't be drafted by Seattle.
Instead, I see the top seven picks (through the fifth round) used primarily on safety, o-line, d-line.
If that draft is successful, then the top three picks next year can be used for playmakers: QB, RB, WR (if none of this year’s crop works out as a true #1 WR).
That’s just how I see a possible 2-draft strategy working out.
by Hawksince77 on Apr 16, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't next a year a much better QB year supposedly?
Don’t remember where I heard that from… As for RB, they don’t seem to get much better than this 2010 draft. True, though, that WR is a weak-sauce position relatively speaking this year.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
"Fielding Housh, Williams, Williams and Carlson .. I mean, how would you defend that? "
A Microphone, a Twinkie, a Bong, and Nick Reed.
by Surf Hawk on Apr 16, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
I'm excited about signing these guys
If they are complete busts it doesn’t cost us anything. On the high side we just got two huge WRs with 1st round talent.
Agree. Why not give them a shot?
6/14/60. Sweet.
by Nick Andron on Apr 16, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing I worry about is that now we're not likely to draft a WR
I mean, how many of these guys can we give meaningful reps enough to see if they’ll stick? We’re already looking at
Housh
Branch
Butler
Martin
Morey
M Williams
R Williams
Obu
Hass
and God knows who else is around.
I would say not drafting a WR is a near certainty.
You gotta think that Housh and Butler stick, and PC was all over praising Branch yesterday, so that makes three, so what’s left? Two spots on the 53-man roster, mayber 3 at the most?
Obomanu has an inside track on one of those, and obviously the William guys will be considered, so that doesn’t leave a lot of room, so the last thing you do is spend a high pick on an over-crowded position.
Same goes for RB, or nearly so. The picks will likely go to safety, the o-line (multiple times) and the d-line, I suspect.
QB seems to be set as well, based on PCs comments, so maybe a later round pick on a CB, but I would guess mostely safety, o-line and d-line, in that order, for better or worse.
So my prediction would be...
…safety first, hopefully Berry, but maybe even Thomas at 6 cause he won’t be there at 14, and I think PC’s top priority would be to land one of these two guys, no matter what.
At 14, instead of reaching for an LT, draft either Price or trade down, then go after Houston or one of the top remaining LTs at 60 (Veldheer might be the guy).
That would make the top three picks safety, DT, LT
The four picks in rounds 4 and 5 would be critical, and should be a least one guard, maybe two, along with another safety, DE (the guy from Washington, maybe), and maybe an RB, if the value isn’t there at the other positions (Blount, perhaps).
Ray Willis is
currently lined up at LT and you want to wait until pick #60 to address LT? Wow! Just wow!
Can't magically hand out talent.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 19, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm starting to like the idea of lining up Spiller at LT.
He could get to the quarterback faster than any DT/DE in the league. Then he takes the ball and sweeps around the right side! Impossible to defend.
by BurtonOerney on Apr 19, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Lions fan here
I highly doubt Mike Williams becomes successful.
First of all, being drafted by a broken franchise is hardly a reason for failure. We might not have good seasons, but we have had plenty of receivers do well in Detroit. As far as not fitting into Mike Martz’s system: the guy that started opposite of Roy Williams that year was some 6 foot tall safety converted into a wideout, and he led the NFC in receptions that year…pretty much anyone can succeed statistically in Martz’s offense.
The fact is: we have our backup quarterback (Josh McCowan) play receiver in games instead of Mike Williams…thats how lazy this guy was, and he was near 280 lb the last I believe.
The beginning of the end of the misery

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