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2010 Seahawks Mock Draft: Version 3

In which we challenge at least one assumption and point out a loitering elephant.

6. Derrick Morgan, DE: Lawrence Jackson is Seattle's best standard defensive end. Nick Reed, Brandon Miller and Robert Henderson provide some menial depth. It's a premium position, or, end in general is a premium position. If Aaron Curry does not take to stand up end, Seattle's defense will probably suck. It will lack any one player that can provide consistent pass rush. Curry had 9.5 sacks in 51 games played at Wake Forest and 2.5 sacks his senior season. He blitzed quite a bit as a rookie, but only had two sacks in 14 games. You see...this could be a big problem.

Or it could just mean that Seattle is targeting a top defensive end. At six, it has its pick. Morgan is probably the best end in a weak overall class. Morgan lacks top flight athleticism. He's more Lawrence Jackson than Mario Williams: Williams of course being the projectable hyper-athlete and Jackson the unflashy regular that does a little of everything but nothing supremely well. It's less than ideal, for sure, a seeming overdraft and a horizontal move reminiscent of moving Julian Peterson to draft Aaron Curry, but that it doesn't seem wise does not mean it won't happen. Seattle is in a tough spot. It traded its best pass rusher, lost another to retirement, and is either relying on Curry, a questionable decision, or relying on the draft, a foolhardy decision. If one of Morgan or Curry can become a Pro Bowl force, this could work, but if not, hoo-boy.

14. Dez Bryant, WR: Seattle wanted to trade for Brandon Marshall but was shut out in part because it moved down in the second to acquire Charlie Whitehurst. It didn't retain Nate Burleson, and despite some fanboy wishcasting, has no established receiver behind T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Deion Branch. That's bad. It needs to add a wide receiver and preferably one that can start. Great wide receivers can push a good offense towards greatness, but are mostly minor contributors to teams that need, among other things, an offensive line and quarterback.

If Seattle was interested in Marshall and willing to spend big to acquire him, despite his contract demands and character concerns, it seems like a natural destination for Dez Bryant. Bryant is good, very good, and could be better than Marshall, but it's unlikely. He is a Marshall-type receiver, able to bully defensive backs and break tackles in the open field, but whereas Marshall has proven those abilities against NFL defenses, Bryant is just a prospect. He could be good, he could be great, but it's a shame Seattle needs him to hit the ground running, because even many great receivers need time to adjust.

60. Jared Veldheer, OT: People like sleepers like they like finding loose cash. It feels like something for nothing. Veldheer, unfortunately, is not really a sleeper. At this point, he's been run through his paces like any other pick, and if he was so amazing, given his height and frame and workout athleticism, he would be more highly ranked. It's not a small school thing. Small school players regularly rise into the first round. It's a matter of ability not yet reaching projection. Veldheer is not yet good at playing offensive tackle - or not good enough to merit a higher pick. He isn't King Dunlap, but I would not want to count on him to start as a rookie. Seattle will expect him to start, and like Ed Wang, it will take some epic coaching up by Alex Gibbs for that to work.

104. Kam Chancellor, S: This isn't meant to be a bummer, but though I liked Chancellor in college, he looks mismatched for the pro game. Seattle needs a safety and I think Carroll wants that safety to be an enforcer. Turning end into a need forces other positions down, and for safety, that means drafting a player in the fourth that will likely start in week one. Chancellor is strong and aware, but lacks range, and may have to convert to linebacker - if he can. There are other possibilities here. Reshad Jones, maybe. Chad Jones fits, but is likely gone before Seattle selects in the fourth. None of these guys are day one starters, or, shouldn't be.

127. Montario Hardesty, RB: Hardesty surged up boards after his sterling showing at the NFL Combine. He might be gone long before the late fourth, or, he might not. Running back may be the most speed, or rather, quickness dependent position in football. So a 4.49 forty is a meaningful indication of ability, but it only matters if Hardesty is healthy and his tools hold. 4.49 is good, not great, and a short hop, skip and a(nother) torn ACL from bad. This class of backs has good potential, but after C.J. Spiller, Ryan Mathews and maybe Jahvid Best, there's not a lot that separates Toby Gerhart from Ben Tate from Joe McKnight. That could cause the second tier to fall down boards as teams wait to see who is selected first. I assume it will. Hardesty might not be available this late, but I could see it, and if he does fall, he becomes a high upside value pick that perfectly fits Seattle's scheme.

133. John Skleton, QB: Skelton is a tall, live-armed quarterback that will need time to develop. Seattle has that luxury or thinks it does. I think he maxes out as a play-action quarterback that survives on the viability of the run game, but if Seattle is taking fliers, looking to fill the position through volume rather than eminent talent, Skelton fits their profile and has potential to start one day.

139. A.J. Jefferson, CB: Seattle needs help in its secondary and so far this draft hasn't provided much. In many ways, Jefferson is just another body on the pile. Someone you hope develops, but is not remarkable for being productive or standout athletic or high upside or whatever. However Jefferson is an excellent kickoff returner and Seattle needs one. He's tall and fast and has excellent agility, and maybe just maybe, something else can come of him, but he satisfies his pick simply as a return ace and secondary depth.

176. George Johnson, DE: Drafting Morgan commits Seattle to a 4-3 base and that means a greater need for a starting end and depth. Johnson was a decently productive end for Rutgers that's noteworthy (though it's irrelevant in this scenario) for playing some stand up end. He is a shade over 6'4" and has the necessary bulk and could serve as depth for years to come.

245. Kenny Alfred, OL: The theme of this draft is the fallout from punching one too many holes in the Seahawks roster. Seattle has opened a ton on its own, and even given the strong draft and its numerous picks, there is a breaking point. Alfred is a good utility interior lineman that satisfies Gibbs' standards for desire and technique, and isn't hopeless moving in space. In most schemes he's strictly a center, but in Seattle, Alfred could play some guard. That will have to do, because in this draft, interior offensive linemen are a luxury.

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Smithers...? Are they..BOOing me??

No sir. They’re saying umm, uh, “Boooo-urns. Boo-urns!”

I was saying “Boo-urns…”

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Apr 22, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!

The third mock is up!

It’s hard to predict players after the second round or so. I’m thinking Hardesty is gone in round 3. John acknowledges this.

I think we pretty much address our needs here. Nothing that gets me super excited here, but we might need more players than exciting playmakers. Who knows what will happen? I like getting these different scenarios.

by Chirp on Apr 22, 2010 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Definitely liking the first the most

I guess I’m really hoping for a trade down in the first rond

by Stormton on Apr 22, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Bryant would fit well here with Carroll.

But he’s not good value where we draft. If we dropped down into the 20’s (hello Philly) I’d be OK with him.

by djafrot on Apr 22, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Not big on this one, but again if Morgan and Bryant develope it could be great.

If the team wants to win now does Dez Bryant really fit? Might be a good fit with Whitehurst, doesn’t seem like a good fit with Matt, though.

by MFAN on Apr 22, 2010 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I must be having my man period

This mock makes me sad

Emerald City Funk Machine

by blackvanilla on Apr 22, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I like the second one better

I don’t like many of the picks in this one apart from Dez Bryant.

by Brendan Scolari on Apr 22, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I would rather have Aaron Kampmann than this draft.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Apr 22, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll take a shot rationalizing these

Whether or not Derrick Morgan is worth the #6 pick I’m not sure, but he’s being touted as the top 4-3 end in this class and a good/great strong-side end is a valuable asset worth investing in. I mentioned this in a fanshot a few weeks ago, but you could alternate him in a base defense with Lawrence Jackson and play them both in the nickel/dime looks (probably Lo-Jack slides to the interior) and then you’ve got two guys each getting about 70% of the total defensive snaps. Or you can give Morgan some looks at RDE, too; the point is that there are plenty of snaps to go around for pass rush types and it’s not just a matter of plugging 11 starters into a static depth chart. And over the next five years, the Seahawks will probably need a whole lot of pass rush. Because every team needs that.

Speaking of the long haul, these guys are getting picked for more than just this season. Which is why you can justify taking the top receiver in the draft at #14 even though it’s not as huge of a need as, say, tackle or safety. Housh and Branch are 32 and 30, respectively, and when you look at the youth in the WR corps, it doesn’t overlap the talent. Receivers do take awhile to break in (as John notes), so you might as well give him one year where he’s not expected to be The Man, because — whether to age or injury — Housh and Branch are quite capable of falling off a cliff in a hurry. Receiver is also one of those nice positions where you can stock talent without suffering major diminishing returns: if you have 3 or 4 good receivers, you can literally put them all on the field at the same time (which is usually not the case with tailbacks, quarterbacks, etc.).

by busplunger on Apr 22, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

If I see

Derrick Morgan with the 6th pick, I am turning off my tv and waiting for college football to start.

by cthunder on Apr 22, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed.

This mock gives me gas.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

My draft hopes:
#6-Jimmy Clausen #14-Charles Brown #60-Major Wright

by Wayward Llama on Apr 22, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've ruined Christmas, John Morgan!

I’ll continue to watch but mostly to see what the Packers do.

Fortunately I don’t see this one happening.

I wish Cops was on...

by Generzal Zod on Apr 22, 2010 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Forget that it's a weak DE class and Morgan isn't special

and forget the idea that we take him at 6, for a moment. The reaction to drafting Morgan has been about the same, even at 14.

I know why. And I feel the same way. But it’s an overreaction. I wouldn’t be excited, I’d be underwhelmed, but it would not be an awful pick. We should be prepared to be OK with Derrick Morgan.

by jacobstevens on Apr 22, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

We can do better

than drafting another QB in the later rounds. If nothing else, I don’t see any reason to move Mike Teel away from the 3rd strong slot. He hasn’t had enough playing time to judge how much upside he has, but I certainly haven’t heard anything negative enough to warrant using a draft pick on a QB that may or may not be good enough to take his place.

by Clendy on Apr 22, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

As John said

This is what happens when you buckshot your roster.

by DJ C-Raig on Apr 22, 2010 2:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

But the FO finally made a good pickup!

Ben Hamilton will save us!

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Apr 22, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren't very good!

Those pickups are okay because they cost nothing and have some upside, but overall I doubt either of them contribute anything.

by MFAN on Apr 22, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good but little impact.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Apr 22, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I found Carroll's old buddy Kirwan's mock interesting.

He had us bypassing Morgan at 14 to take Odrick. I wonder if we would benefit more by improving interior pass rush, considering this DE class is supposedly weak at rushing the passer.

by bp42810 on Apr 22, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I was actually just glancing at nfldraftscout.com

And they have Brandon Graham listed as two pounds heavier and one inch shorter than… Derrick Morgan. Interesting. They’re about the same size, apparently.

by busplunger on Apr 22, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another guy about that size is Daniel Te'o Nesheim

Glancing at the combine “Top Performers”… I forgot how much he rocked the vertical, the cone drill, and the short shuttle. Tasty.

by busplunger on Apr 22, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

McFadden

I saw on ESPN that the Raiders are shopping McFadden, any chance we might be able to steal him for a late round pick?

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Apr 22, 2010 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I tried to find McFadden's full contract but couldn't

Everything I saw was 26M guaranteed with 6.4 signing bonus + 6M ’09 roster bonus…

I don’t care how cheap the pick is… does anybody know how much he’d actually cost?

by trippsixxes on Apr 22, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the Raiders things don't make sense

I would assume they make a decent pick because Al Davis will be in bed by the time the draft starts but this could be his way of screwing it up for them.

I wish Cops was on...

by Generzal Zod on Apr 22, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not on the Spiller bus

I watched every Clemson and GT game this year to solidify my Spiller/Dwyer opinion….
Obviously I’m off the Dwyer bus too… but Spiller at 6 makes no sense to me.
RB’s have a 4 year lifespan… Seattle’s lucky to be a contender in 3.

by trippsixxes on Apr 22, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Imagine if this had been the first one John released

That would have been an easy groupthink litmus test.

Jared Veldheer as the Hawks’ answer to Walter Jones? Ewww.

How does Seattle end up with Morgan?
1.Bradford
2.Suh
3.McCoy
4.Williams
5.Berry
6.Seattle passes on Okung?

Yuck.

by trippsixxes on Apr 22, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Berry at #4

There is a lot of speculation of Eric Berry to the Skins at #4

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Apr 22, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like its looking very realistic...

I’m really warming up to the 1st Mock John put up.

I would probably rather see that 14 moved for a ‘11 1st rounder than Mays… but I’d trust Mays to Carroll’s system if I’m trusting Carroll with my team.

by trippsixxes on Apr 22, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

different but pretty good picks

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Apr 22, 2010 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

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