Kam Chancellor, the Good Years
Kam Chancellor should start in week one. He might not. He might have to wait for the inevitable injury to Lawyer Milloy. That is the typical progression in the NFL. Veteran rules the practice field. Veteran suddenly seems inadequate against full-speed competition. Veteran nevertheless retains job until eventual injury. Rookie replaces veteran, provides spark.
Chancellor exhibits solid awareness, and Seattle is better served maximizing the sweet spot where his skills and tools align, and not awaiting incremental improvement to his skills while burning his youth. Eventually, Chancellor will be too slow. If he's lucky, that might be a long time into the future. Right now, he's just fast enough. Like a solid Tim Ruskell pick, Chancellor should hit the ground running, but when other players are growing into their tools, he could be fighting off early decline.
I am totally ok with that.
Tennessee runs a pro-style, West-Coast influenced offense somewhat akin to the one run by Jeremy Bates. That makes the 2009 Chik...whatever an ideal setting to evaluate Chancellor.
1. 1st and 10 at TENN 11 Montario Hardesty rush for 3 yards to the Tenn 14.
Chancellor is 13 yards deep and center. Tennessee motions its left slot receiver right. Chancellor calls out coverage and directs the left corner into man. It's a run left. Chancellor closes, then closes the right cutback lane.
2. 2nd and 7 at TENN 14 Denarius Moore rush for 8 yards to the Tenn 22 out-of-bounds for a 1ST down.
Recorded as a run only because the pass traveled backwards. It's a bubble screen. Chancellor is 12 yards deep and playing opposite the right slot. Crompton drops, targets Moore and Moore receives and slashes behind the right wide out's block and towards the right sideline. Chancellor expertly reads the action. First, he closes slightly with his eyes fixed on Crompton. Then he identifies the play and takes a proper angle of pursuit, positioning himself to break in or out depending on Moore's motion. Finally, he squares, closes and wraps, but not before the first.
3. 1st and 10 at TENN 22 Jonathan Crompton pass incomplete to Denarius Moore.
Botched play. Crompton attempts to audible, there's confusion, the Volunteers shift out of trips left then back into trips left. Crompton targets Moore on a curl, but Moore runs a go. The pass sails out of bounds. Chancellor is over the trips package but does not contribute. No one contributes.
4. 2nd and 10 at TENN 22 Jonathan Crompton pass intercepted by Rashad Carmichael at the VTech 47, returned for 9 yards to the Tenn 44.
Nice, subtle but superior and essential play be Chancellor, but don't let me oversell it.
Tennessee aligns two wide left, two tight ends left/right. Tech is in a neutral 4-3. The outermost receivers, the left wide out and the right tight end, both run go routes. The left tight end runs a deep square in. Chancellor is assigned the left slot receiver, Gerald Jones. Logically, Jones should be running a deep post pattern. Three streaks and a square in is possible, but the square in from the tight end (drawing the safety) and post out of the slot are complementary routes and therefore the more likely combination. This is important, and I'll explain why in a second.
Snap. Everyone retreats into man coverage. Chancellor again shows great awareness, reaction and knowledge for angles. He's not as fast as Jones, but is able to use his cushion to intersect him ~10 yards past the line of scrimmage and achieve inside position. Chancellor dwarfs Jones. If it's a streak, the interception is nothing but a route confusion caused mistake. Instead, I think Chancellor knocks Jones off his route. He's stride for stride, head twisted around searching for the pass, arm extended into but not interfering with Jones. Crompton passes as if he's targeting a post. Carmichael breaks from true center to intercept. Interpret it how you will. Either Jones screwed up his route, Crompton misfired, or, I think most likely, Chancellor bullied Jones off his route and made Crompton's pass to a position look like a pass to the defense.
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Is Milloy expected to re-sign with the Hawks?
I’ve heard a couple places mention that he’d be a good mentor or whatever to Thomas/Chancellor, but haven’t heard anything on the Hawks actually being interested on Milloy.
We're interested
Or were before the draft. See here
Carroll said he’s hopeful to get Lawyer Milloy back in the fold. The veteran safety and Tacoma native is an unrestricted free agent, but played for Carroll at New England.
"I hope so," Carroll said. "We’ve been talking to Lawyer for some time. He’s an extraordinary football player, and he’s a great aspect of any team he’s on. He’s one of the great competitors I’ve ever been around."
by Thomas Beekers on Apr 26, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I really liked the Chancellor pick
It shows that Carroll does value the large, physical SS and has more value than Mays in the first round would have had. From the limited amount I have seen him he looked like a very good tackler while still delivering some good kill shots.
by Big E-Z on Apr 26, 2010 4:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Mays is the better prospect as far as talent
I think Chancellor will have a great career with us. I don’t know much about Milloy, he may get the job in camp, but something tells me Chancellor will be starting halfway through the season.
I wish Cops was on...
by Generzal Zod on Apr 26, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Chancellor's a better prospect as far as playing football, though
and on the whole, I’d rather take the guy with enough ability who makes the right plays than the guy with amazing ability who doesn’t. To be sure, Mays can learn to play the position better, while Chancellor’s never going to learn to run a 4.3 40 — which is why no one batted an eye when Chancellor went in the 5th round, while Mays was acclaimed as a huge bargain when he went in the 2nd — but I think there’s at least decent odds that Chancellor ends up the better player.
by The Ancient Mariner on Apr 27, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think PC will love playing rookies the same way he loved playing freshmen
One thing he’s real good at (which is vital in college ranks) is getting the younger guys developed and contributing early. He doesn’t strike me as willing to wait for a guy to develop on the side lines while the vet ahead of him is only marginally better.
PC would have had Mike Teel starting by week eight last year.
Sounds like the complete, polar opposite of Mora Jr.
Which I like.
If we don’t have a chance, play all the rookies. Get their feet as wet as possible.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - Morgan
Mora thought our "best" chance to win
was starting a punt returner at QB while letting Teel sit on the bench. He was a douche to the players, and showed no reason to think he had a plan for the future. that’s why he’s gone.
He’d still be coaching if he had invested in our rookies instead of riding the ship down. it wasn’t the record that undid him.
I am glad he did so we didn't have to deal with watching the ship sink for a few years
Bless Paul Allen for blowing the hull and sending it down.
I wish Cops was on...
by Generzal Zod on Apr 28, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The real polar opposite would be Gruden. Only notable rookie with notable playing time was Cadillac Williams.
He even raved about his practicing, in the QB camp clips. But Carroll has said something to the effect of not waiting for players to develop. Which is good and bad. Can’t force the hand of elite development, it happens at its own pace.
by jacobstevens on Apr 28, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a poor man's Taylor Mays
From that same game, watch this clip
Denarius Moore schools him hard on the double move.
From what I’ve seen he look really good coming up to play the run. But put him against a speedy receiver and he can look just plain silly. I think he needs a bit more time to develop before he gets thrown into the fire.
I really doubt we're going to put Chancellor in the position to cover receivers one on one deep.
As a strong safety, he’ll generally be matched against the TE or backs, with Thomas behind him in deep coverage.
If it’s a situation where the opposing team is throwing out 3, 4 or 5 WR’s, we’d probably move to some variation of a 2 or 3 deep zone with Thomas and Chancellor deep… while a nickel CB like Wilson or Jennings comes in to cover slot WR’s.
It's unavoidable.
Just as a LB or DE has to be able to cover a TE, a SS has to be able to cover a WR. You can’t not do it. Teams will exploit it. If you get a CB to blitz or cover the flat (as in the clip) the S is responsible for that deep zone. Having the S always matched up on a RB or TE severely limits what you can do defensively.
Yeah, he was schooled big time.
But more often than not, he was quite solid.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 26, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
We got some great talent
Can’t wait till camp to see them.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
The prospect of a dual-rookie safety backfield excites me to no end.
If Milloy’s around too, that’s absolutely fine with me. Chancellor is our future at the position, no need to develop another youngster back there. You need depth.
I've heard Babineaux will start at SS
Makes sense as Thomas and him are clearly the two most best safeties we have, but our team is a whole lot better at defending the run with Chancellor back there.
But is he ready? 4th round picks rarely become starters, let alone rookie starters.
The Odenphant is true king of the jungle.
Well, we do have this Jordan Babineaux guy starting who went undrafted
by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 26, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
But he had years to develop to be a starter now
But I see Chancellor competing with Babineaux to become the starter. I have to admit though Thomas and Chancellor being the starting safeties would be awesome.
by Seahawksfan23 on Apr 26, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
This draft was rediculously deep so there will be a few 4th/5th rounders starting
Carroll makes some bad ass safeties so if he is willing to learn I’d rather have him starting.
I wish Cops was on...
by Generzal Zod on Apr 26, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
19 teams have at least one starting Safety that was drafted in the 5th or lower.
Safety is generally not a premium position where there are runs on them early in the draft. Lots of starting-quality guys available in later rounds – even in drafts that weren’t as deep as this one. These aren’t bad teams just throwing guys out there, either. Some good D’s like BAL, GB, and the Jets have had low round guys playing quickly.
IMO, it’s very realistic to hope Chancellor is starting at some point this season.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
But those three teams you mention
Each one of them had a high drafted safety who was either a pro-bowler or all-pro to play beside and had a front seven that was a bit more fearsome than ours. Starting two rookies at safety with our pass rush (or lack thereof) could have the opposite effect. Also if you look at the starting safeties in the league the best ones are almost all drafted high. Our best RB and WR last year were 7th round picks. The Cowboys’ best WR and QB were undrafted. That doesn’t mean they are not premium positions. Every position is a premium position.
so every position has the same value?
just niggling
Not sure what you're trying to argue
Top Safeties are all high picks, but other teams best players are 7th rounders and undrafted? … it’s all over the map.
I wasn’t trying to imply that Chancellor was going to be elite – only pointing out that it’s fairly common to find a starting-caliber Safety in the later rounds of the draft.
If the team winds up starting two rookies at S, of course there will be some mental mistakes. But I’d rather take my chances with guys that have the talent to compensate for them (and will further refine their skills with playing time) rather than start less talented veterans who know what they’re supposed to do, yet lack the ability to get it done.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Where did you get this info?
I’ve been looking for an easy starters-by-team/position/round drafted page.
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Should Chancellor start week one because he's good enough to be an NFL starter or because the other option is Milloy?
If he's starting, it's over Babineaux and alongside Thomas
Chancellor will be given every chance to win the job I’m sure. But it’s Babineaux’s spot to lose.
by lemonverbena on Apr 26, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He's an "in the box" type safety. I picture Babs more of a cover safety.
by Trojan Knight on Apr 26, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Clare Farnsworth
This season, with the arrival of Texas free safety Earl Thomas in the first-round of the draft, Babineaux will slide to strong safety.
by lemonverbena on Apr 27, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I figured that is what would happen
I keep waiting and hoping Babs develops some consistency maybe with Carroll coaching him he will develop that.
I wish Cops was on...
by Generzal Zod on Apr 27, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Babs isn't a SS type player, though
He’s a coverage guy, not a physical in-the-box type of safety.
Wouldn’t really make sense.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - Morgan
I like Chancellor's upside as a strong safety more than Babs
All I’m saying is that for now, Babs is slotted in as the starter.
by lemonverbena on Apr 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Carroll might be different -- see the "unwilling to wait" discussion above
but for the past decade, the psyche of our coaches, when starting a rookie, would be to hedge their potential for mistake by playing a veteran at the other position. Maybe Carroll starts 2 rookie safeties. But I doubt it.
by jacobstevens on Apr 28, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that it matters but does anyone know his measurables?
by nickfru1 on Apr 26, 2010 6:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
His left calf is three feet in circumference
by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 26, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
6'3 231
Mays-clone
At the combine he ran a 4.62 40-yard dash (10th best amongst SS) and had 22 reps at the bench press (3rd best amongst SS)
by Thomas Beekers on Apr 26, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
While, I'm most excited about Okung, Thomas, and Tate, Chancellor is the pick that intrigues me the most. I can't wait to see what he brings to the Seahawks.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
I'm totally with you.
I’m hoping we got a Mays-clone that actually has some coverage ability.
Will be a nice 1-2 punch:
Thomas – ball hawk
Chancellor – roving enforcer
I like it!
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - Morgan
I agree.
We can be flexible w/ our defensive packages, too. The popular 3-3-5 look that teams played last year vs. prolific passing-offenses is something to think about, too. Regardless, the ability for ET to cover as a CB/S brings a lot of options. We can play Chancellor in the box, have Babs deep and ET disguising coverage lining up at Corner or a third Safety. I think we’ll need to protect Chancellor in coverage (same w/ Milloy). If we didn’t have ET and were relying on Chancellor that much, I’d be worried. I think between the three (or four) of them, we are in good position at Safety overall.
Early prospect watch: RB Mark Ingram, QB Jake Locker
I think I read that Chancellor
…was a VT Lunchpail guy, just like Tapp. Awarded to the hardest worker on the team, as I recall.
I want to like Chancellor. I hope he developes for us. But how is he any different from Jamar Adams or Courtney Greene?
by nickfru1 on Apr 26, 2010 9:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He's Kam Chancellor.
Just watch his V. Tech highlights and you will understand. Sometimes he reminds me of Terry Tate.
But that's all emphasizing the similarity to Jamar Adams. He was the Tebow killer.
I think Adams had that kind of 40-time, too, but he played quite a bit slower, it felt like.
by jacobstevens on Apr 28, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
bigger, faster, better highlight tape
he went later in a really deep draft for safety.
I wish Cops was on...
by Generzal Zod on Apr 27, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Another late round Ruskell pick that never had a chance to make the team because established but marginal talent
More and more this is the shake up that things like competition at every position brings to a team.
I wish Cops was on...
by Generzal Zod on Apr 27, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely love Pete's willingness to play rookies.
It has always driven me crazy to watch the likes of Brian Russell play n front of someone who can run, hit and wrap tackles.
I like the high pick/low pick combination at the two positions, and Babs has a place somewhere, but not sure where. Special Teams Captain?
by bleedshawkblue on Apr 26, 2010 11:23 PM PDT reply actions
In general it drove me crazy that Russell played a lot
Babs is a quality back up, low cost, hard worker, takes field time when giving, will occasionally make a game changing play. There’s nothing wrong with that. I hope they keep him, but one thing I like is that Carroll looks for more and seems to expect it from his players.
I wish Cops was on...
by Generzal Zod on Apr 27, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Shades of Ken Hamlin playing enforcer
Kam Chancellor I read came to VT originally as a QB. Have you ever seen a QB lay the lumber like Chancellor? Man his youtube videos are making me excited to watch him blow someone up this season!
I'm excited for a safety rotation
Using Chancellor, Thomas and Babbs when its appropriate. Each will bring a different skill set and ability level and if we rotate them in and out depending on the defense we are using, we could have a really good group back there year 1.

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