...And Matt
by John Morgan on Apr 30, 2010 4:16 PM PDT
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I love that man as much as one stranger can love another
without a restraining order involved. Watching Matt suck is quietly one of the most painful things I have had to endure as a fan, regardless of sport. I would brutally murder a kitten for him to be good again. Maybe a puppy, I can’t be sure.
by DJ C-Raig on Apr 30, 2010 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
He had it last week.
And I’m not sure what more there is to say about it. Branch underwent arthro on his knee, too.
Time to buy stock in the Williams brothers.
But seriously, Housh seems like a gamer. L.J. Smith was hobbled by a sport hernia injury a few years ago and he usually sucked it up on game day.
Did anybody else find it a little weird that Walt thanked all his QBs
Matt, Moon, Dilfer, Friesz. But he didn’t mention Jon Kitna. Maybe he just forgot, but it seems strange that he would remember to thank Friesz over Kitna.
A boring story on Kitna.
When Seattle use to have training camp in Cheney a friend of mine went out there to get some autographs and watch the team. He bought a new football for players to sign and the first person he saw was Kitna so he went up and got him to sign it.Kitna signed a full side of his football with this big ass signature and a bible quote.Needless to say my buddy was pissed that he took up so much space so nobody else could sign it.
I couldn't stand Kitna for that.
I mean I have no problem with Christians. Matt and Dilfer are hardcore Christians. But they know where to draw the line between faith, football and bible thumper. My memory of Kitna is of him after a win sometime in the late 90s when a sideline reporter came up and asked him how they managed their last scoring drive. And his answer was “Well on Friday night, my wife and I were at Bible study at our church….” You know, like that’s the reason why the team won.
It's an inextricable part of who some of us are.
Cut the guy some slack.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I really don't like people who put themselves and their beliefs above their team.
I would be just as perplexed If an atheist QB answered the question of how they managed the last scoring drive to win the game by “Well on Friday night my wife and I sat around and read Nietzsche…” How about you won because your OL worked their butts off and your receivers fought to get open and caught the ball? How about it had nothing to do with what you and your wife did on Friday night? It’s self-indulgent and indicative of poor leadership.
How is being devoted self-indulgent?
If Kitna talks up his faith because he wants to look good that’s one thing. I don’t know Kitna, why in his heart that he writes Bible verses and talks about prayer into a microphone. But neither do you. If he’s genuine, then he says and writes those things because he believes in a supreme being and why the heck would you put football – FOOTBALL – before Him?
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
You're just being self-indulgent right now.
Your beliefs don’t belong here.
I'm not the one who brought it up.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Where to begin...the more subtle tones don't come across correctly on the internet.
1st. My comment was to 64-18, and the opinion he echoed, which belonged to Kevaru. Not to you.
2nd. I was being facetious. If he says “because football is better,” that’s no different than Kitna sharing his beliefs. It’s an opinion and by sharing it he’s doing exactly what Kitna did, just with a different belief.
I believe you mistook my sarcasm to mean that I disagreed with you. I in fact agree. If Tim Tebow wants to say that the reason he succeeds is because it’s God’s plan, he is entitled to. Just like LT can say that he succeeded because he parties as hard as he plays (not that he did), or someone can claim it’s because they went to a specific athletic institute to work out. Just because faith is involved doesn’t make it suddenly “self-indulgent.” Tons of athletes do things that are self-indulgent without getting that reaction.
And how am I talking about my beliefs?
I’m talking about Kitna’s. If a man believes fully in a supreme being it would be foolish not to put him first, that’s all I was trying to say.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
It's self-indulgent in this context
because he is equating his personal beliefs and devotion to a higher power into his team’s success. Completely ignoring the contributions of his teammates, and also calling into question the devotion of his opponent. I mean, God wanted HIS team to win, because he believes the most? That’s self-indulgent.
Okay, yeah.
Kitna thinking God was expressly on his side and not the other team’s is silly. Like Jason says, I don’t know precisely what Kitna said in that instance but if he did think that they wouldn’t have won if he wasn’t at bible study it would be extremely questionable at best.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I don't know what Kitna actually said.
But crediting the Lord with an outcome would be theologically sloppy. It places God as an agent acting within the greater realm of football.
A good alternative would be to express thanks at a more personal (but less decisive) level: “I’d like to thank God for giving me this talent.”
Or, better still, but Him way, way above football: “I’d like to thank God for giving us all the opportunity to play and compete.”
Instead of a single team or outcome, you’ve implied that the entire sport, and all who play it, owe their existence to the Creator.
That does always make me laugh.
We won because God wanted us to win. It’s never struck me as the most intelligent thing to say. You have to believe strongly in a lack of free will to truly believe that. In which case none of a person’s actions can be held against them, which kinda doesn’t jive with the whole sin thing.
But plenty of athletes say things that aren’t well thought out.
Alright alright alright.
Can we end this subthread with the thought that politics and religion are but bouts of bad gas after a night of swilling Milwaukee’s Best Ice compared to the power of Nick Reed? Thanks.
Also, Jon Ryan > Jon Kitna
Though they’re both pathetic and both spell their names like clowns.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
What the french, toast?
by Wayward Llama on May 1, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Done and done.
Geaux Hox!
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
To be honest.
I don’t even know who Friesz is.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I just got on this site for the first time
And assumed the title implied Hasselbeck retired.
Sadly it’s not the case. Matt should induct Walter into the HOF when the time comes.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
On my cell.. I couldn't tell because the pic is smaller
But on my computer monitor, I can seeMatt is holding back tears. Man, that’s man love. I respect that!
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 30, 2010 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In my view, decline from age/injury aside,
Matt is the prototype for what you want in your QB as a leader. Cares deeply for teamates, always takes blame, shows toughness and willingness to take hits. Takes advantage of his strengths to make up for physical limitations. I would give anything to have him play well this year and then retire on a high note. Give us the ending that unfortunately we didn’t get to see from Big Walt.
by Big E-Z on Apr 30, 2010 9:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I know it wouldn't be unreasonable for Matt to retire soon
But on an interview with Mike Salk he was asked about his age and I think retirement (I don’t have a link :( ) and the jist of what he said went something like: “I didn’t realize I was old. I don’t feel old at all. I’m still in great shape and playing football.” He kind of laughed the whole thing off.
So unless his perspective changes I’m worried about him not coming to terms with his declining performance until he’s bounced around the league some.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I wouldn't expect himto say anything else as a competitor
Walt was saying the same thing months ago. I’m sure privately Matt knows he is near the end. His body has taken so much abuse it’s hard to imagine how he could not. The attitude that makes him our greatest QB ever is the same as what is driving him now. My hope is that he realizes that by pushing it too long he affects the quality of his post football life.
by Big E-Z on May 1, 2010 10:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know it wouldn't be unreasonable for Matt to retire soon
But on an interview with Mike Salk he was asked about his age and I think retirement (I don’t have a link :( ) and the jist of what he said went something like: “I didn’t realize I was old. I don’t feel old at all. I’m still in great shape and playing football.” He kind of laughed the whole thing off.
So unless his perspective changes I’m worried about him not coming to terms with his declining performance until he’s bounced around the league some.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
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