Assessing Need: Quarterback
by John Morgan on Apr 5, 2010 2:58 PM PDT
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PrintI started finishing up my mock draft, but I got so tangled attempting to address Seattle's needs, it seems prudent to look at the matter of need head on. Let's go position by position.
Quarterback
Starter: Matt Hasselbeck
Age: Turns 35 September 25.
Health: Poor.
Contract: One year remaining.
Performance: Poor.
Primary Backup: Charlie Whitehurst
Age: Turns 28 August 6.
Health: Incomplete.
Contract: Two years remaining.
Performance: Incomplete.
Depth: Mike Teel
Age: Turned 24 January 6.
Health: Incomplete.
Contract: Three years remaining, plus RFA.
Performance: Incomplete.
Position need: Geez, I don't want to be alarmist, but Hasselbeck seems like the best player among the bunch, the only one we should assume is starter capable in 2010, and it was just a few months ago we were talking about how desperately Seattle needed to replace him. Simplifying Whitehurst's health and performance to "incomplete" underscores how risky it seems to count on him, but incomplete is accurate. He is neither surely bad nor surely good, but an older player without much experience.
The best answer to how much Seattle needs a quarterback is that they have players, but the actual potential of those players does not seem great. Only Teel is under contract after 2011, but we must assume that if Whitehurst proves capable, the team will attempt to lock him up. He does not have much time to prove that though.
It seems like Seattle should fill this position, but will not.
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It's impossible to polish this turd up.
Seattle for now has likely chosen a combination of option 1 and option 5 in replacing Matt. And option 5 was to get a guy who has an “incomplete” in both health and performance.
They screwed up the QB situation badly and to me if Seattle drafts Clausen at #6 then either Teel or Matt goes. In all likelihood it should be Hasselbeck because he’s going to be 35 soon and was a total liability the last two seasons.
Ugh, this is so tragic to watch.
Sig bet record: 1-0.
Hahahahaha. Well that's one reason to keep him.
And this is one against starting him…
Sig bet record: 1-0.
by SSreporters on Apr 5, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
With McNabb going to Washington
It seems very likely that Clausen will be available at 6.
Should we take him
Also seems likely that Campbell will be traded.
If he is, it will be interesting to see what Campbell goes for compared to Whitehurst.
maybe?
probably not – there are some QB’s coming out next year and I bet we will pick in the top 15 next year, most likely top 10.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
This is precisely why I think trading for Brandon Marshall is a bad idea
It has nothing to do with Marshall. It has everything to do with having the highest paid pair of receivers in the league and a huge question mark as to who will be throwing them the ball for the remainder of their massive contracts. To me that seems like the opposite of good strategy.
If Seattle had made a play for Kolb or even McNabb I would be content with giving up the #6
But this current QB situation has me thinking that giving up the #6 is not a good thing and not worth getting Marshall.
Sig bet record: 1-0.
Adding premier young elite talent isn't a bad strategy.
Continuing to count on a declining 34-year-old QB is.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
They are not mutually exclusive.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Yep.
And having two great WR’s would surely help a neophyte QB looking for confidence. I’m sure that Charlie/Teel/insertrookieqbhere would be a lot happier having Marshall’s beastly frame pulling down slightly-off-target passes than someone like Butler.
also whoever is QB doesn't need his crap when the team hits the rough patches
he has shown over and over to be a cancer in the locker room.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
Or the thinking might be
traded for B. Marshall and draft Spiller at 14 this year. Next year draft a QB in top 10 and the Hawks would be set at QB, RB and WR. But I have no clue as to what the FO is thinking or planning on doing.
who would block for these playmakers
we just shipped one of our solid and consistent players.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
well
It’s already been established with Gibbs you can find O-Line late in the draft that fit his schemes. Also, the Hawks could go through free agency, both Chester Pitts and Ben Hamilton played under Gibbs. And both are URFA so signing one maybe a possibility.
I agree.
I could see a scenario where we draft Clausen or another relatively early-round QB and cut Hasselbeck after the draft, if not after the season. if said rookie wasn’t ready to compete for the job this season, that could leave the starter between Hass and CW for 2010.
Next season, with Whitehurst, under contract for one more year, he could the compete with the rookie for the starting job.
That said, I think we were never sold on Clausen – certainly not at 6, or have other plans for the pick. I don’t think the Whitehurst move prohibits us from adding a rookie QB, but it certainly makes it less likely.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
"It seems like Seattle should fill this position, but will not."
This is probably the most frustrating part of this offseason. This regime seems to refuse to go with slow but inevitable rebuilding process, but deluding itself with the dangerous “win-now” mentality by chasing after players like Brandon Marshall and keeping Hasselbeck as the starter.
To quote Tanier of FO,
It reminds me of the Dolphins quarterback trades from early in the decade, the ones that brought A.J. Feeley, Cleo Lemon, and Daunte Culpepper to Miami… They shouldn’t try to outsmart the system. They should draft Colt McCoy and start the development cycle with a truly young player with recent on-field success.
If we draft Colt McCoy I might just shoot myself.
Another incapable-armed QB is not my idea of solving the position.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Why not?
He’s much younger and will be cheaper. IMO, the value of arm strength is a little overstated in projecting college quarterbacks sometimes. Arm strength or not, McCoy still has the accuracy, leadership, and decision-making to make it in the NFL.
It’s better than paying 5 mill. a year for a guy to hold the clipboard, hoping someday can blossom into a starter when he’s already at an age that’s supposed to be his prime.
While I understand the argument of arm-strength being overrated...
…my current understanding of McCoy is that he lacks the arm-strength necessary to make some of the required NFL throws. This isn’t a matter of not having great arm-strength and having that luxury, but having such poor arm-strength that it is a disability as an NFL QB.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
He can make all of the required throws. He just doesn't have elite velocity.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 5, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, we were offered a 3rd round pick for Matt...
So I expect the mysterious football market forces to dictate we hold out for a much lower pick for him. Maybe even cut him loose because we have no need for him.
Sounds great to me.
This team isn’t going to contend this year, so let’s find out what we’ve got.
Yikes indeed
we could be raiders-bad. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh. I hope at least not rams bad … or DO I?
Then we’d have another high pick.
My grandpa always used to say "wish in one hand and crap in another and see what gets full first."
At least we aren't the Raiders?
by Generzal Zod on Apr 5, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Eh, lets wait and see.
As of right now Matt is our #1 QB and I’m fine with that if the O-line is better this year. Here is the thing Matt is still a “good” QB when given time, but when he is rushed over and over and over and over (you get the point) he is not as good as he used to be. He needs a running game that can take SOME pressure off him (you have to have a running game to keep defenses from pinning their ears back and killing your QB). Lets wait and see what the team does in the draft before we write Matt off.
As for Whitehurst, lets see what he has in training camp and preseason and then go from there. You have to give the guy a chance before you can just right him off, and Whitehurst has had four years to learn the NFL and now he has his chance to show he is a starter (it’s now or never for this guy).
Then you have Teel. He played well in preseason, but just like Whitehurst that means little. Teel needs more time to learn the NFL, and if he is given time he could be good. You just don’t know until a guy gets his feet wet, and Teel has yet to even get near the kiddie pool.
One last thing, after all that has happend with the Redskins don’t be shocked if JImmy Clausen falls to that 6th spot now. So the Seahawks must be asking themselves, do we pull the trigger on him?
I'd like to see Matt have one more good year
also we have no idea what we will get in Whitehurst and I think he is equally as risky as someone like Clausen.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
True.
You are right saying you have no idea what you have in either guy (Clausen or Whitehurst), but you have to look really hard at Clausen if he is there at 6. There are only two top end QB’s in the draft this year and he is one of them, and there is no guarantee that the Seahawks will have a good shot next year at a guy like Locker (but they might).
All I’m saying is they are going to at least think real hard if he is there at 6.
Explore all possibilities
if I had to choose between McCoy or Clausen at 6, I’d be hard pressed to say Clausen is the better investment, but then again I still have pipe dreams about Suh some how falling to 6.
If we pass on Clausen at 6 he won’t make it to 14. I think like the Whitehurst is more justified if we do take him, meaning he can sit and develop and we have a viable back up next year if he isn’t ready.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
If Clausen falls to the 6th spot
I can see them working a trade for Hass with someone that needs a QB for a mid-round pick. Although I think it depends on who else is available at that spot.
Passing on Clausen would seem lunacy to me
Highly accurate, intelligent player. There is no reason not to draft a QB at #6 if one of the top two are there.
It is what it is...
I like this quote, from Daniel Jeremiah:
I’ve said all along that Bradford was the only “bigtime” QB in this draft. Seattle and Washington must agree.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Cleveland agree's too
Everyone is positioning themselves to not have to take Clausen, or to be ready for a 2nd tier QB who will need multiple years to develop. You don’t spend the number 6 pick on a QB who will need 2-3 years to develop. Its great if you have the luxury, like GB, of letting him develop that long, but you shouldn’t be required to. Clausen is in a free fall in the draft. At this point, if I was betting in Vegas, I would take the odds that they give that he falls out of the first round.
Wow, I'll lay odds on that for you.
Second round? Based on what? Who says he needs 2-3 years to develop… he’s been a starter for his entire college career and plays in a pro-style system. He’s the DEFINITION of being starter ready, if he’s good enough.
Buffalo, Seattle, Denver, Jacksonville or Miami.
In some kind of decreasing order of likelyhood. San Francisco might grab him at 17.
I don't San Francisco passes on him
There is a difference between being ready to start and being a good QB. Quinn was ready to start from day one he just turned out to be not very good.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
Assuming
he is good enough. I am not saying that he is or isn’t. But just because he played in a pro style offense doesn’t mean he is starter rdy. The knock on Bradford was he was coming from a spread offense, scouts and experts predicted he would be the #1 overall QB in the draft. And since his pro-day his status has shot through the roof.
Assuming the Hawks pass on Clausen at #6 and the Bills do the same @ #9, he could easily fall out of the first round. I don’t see Cleveland, Denver, Oakland or Jacksonville (picks 7,8,10, and 11) drafting Clausen with other needs on the board. Maybe if he is still there at 14 the Seahawks could possibly take him. But if they fail to do so, no other team from 15-32 would have a need for him. Well maybe Arizona at #26, but he would have to be the BPA.
Exactly
I don’t think Cleveland is going to take him and I don’t think we are either, so that leaves the Bills. My bet would be weather or not the Bills take him. After that, the odds are he drops out of the first round. Best case for him, someone with about a 30 year old QB picks him up as a future option.
It would be really dumb for the Bills to take when their line may be worse than ours
He would definitely bust in Buffalo.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
Stars are only as good as their supporting cast.
Matt still has a future if he can stay upright long enough to throw, and if there’s lanes for his RBs to run. Both big ifs at this point.
I can see the wisdom of landing Marshall as he is still quite young and can be kept in line by a good leader or two in the locker room. We will be set at the WR position for awhile as TJ still has a fair bit of tread on his tires left, and any young QB will grow quickly with quality targets to throw to…and an old QB will still be productive with same.
Bigger problem is legitimate running threat above and beyond JForce, who likely is only good for about 15-20 touches a game, plus some blocking, before he starts to wear down. It will be interesting to see how he develops with a good ZBS system, as I thought that one cut and go suited him pretty well.
By far the biggest problem is the big men. I suspect there is quite a bit more afoot in retooling the line in addition to the draft.
I do like that PC and Schneider are not just collecting big name has-beens and giving them big paydays for their productivity elsewhere. And it ain’t breakin’ my heart one bit that they’re blowing up a crappy team that fell all the way from mediocre, either.
9-7 in the worst division in the history of the game was strictly mediocre, and, except for 2005 when it was decent, the road record was pathetic under The Big Show, too.
Though it might get uglier before it gets better, change is good IF there’s a workable plan.
good point, I'd rather have them liquidate talent than over pay for big name free agents
That has been what made the Redskins and Raiders what they are. Teams are built in the draft but that can take time, this division is winnable easily, but it is sort of a hollow victory.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
I thought PC made it clear that our "plan" was to develop Whitehurst and use Matt for one more year.
I need to find that link…
That's kinda what i was thinking of with my last comment.
"Let the games begin," Carroll said. "Matt’s obviously our guy that we’ve been excited about for a good while, and we’re pumped to have him. Charlie’s going to fit into this competition and take it as far as he can. And we have big expectations for him for the long haul."
Unless Whitehurst can beat him out in camp
He’s definitely athletic and if his style allows him to make throws on the run that makes him more valuable than Matt.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
I'm wondering if Snead will be there at 60 or even better in the 4th round?
The more I read of Clausen, the more I think he’s similar to Colt McCoy.
An excellent fit for a West Coast Offense, Clausen does not have a skill set that transcends all schemes. He’s good on short-to-medium throws, and has an innate sense of where his receivers are in zones, but the team that expects him to have a reliable deep ball is in for a disappointment
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Snead will be around later
He is a definite work in progress and it could be a while before we know what he will become. I also like Skelton a lot too.
At least we aren't the Raiders?
by Generzal Zod on Apr 7, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I found this interesting, though it may not have said much, it's a valid perspective:
• “(Seattle GM) John Schneider looks like he was trying to pull a Ron Wolf by signing Charlie Whitehurst. It would be something if he hits. … I will say this: Drafting Jimmy Clausen early would scare the (heck) out of me. The Matt Schaubs of the world go for two (second-round picks). To give up a third and move back 20 spots when you already have two ones is a good move to me. You don’t lose your job paying $8 million over two years to a quarterback who might hit. You lose it paying $64 million over five to a cocky rookie. The problem is, if you don’t have a quarterback, how do you win in this league? Where do you get these guys from?” -PFW
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer
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