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Assessing Need: Cornerback

Cornerback

Starter: Marcus Trufant

Age: Turns 30 Christmas Day.

Health: Injured last year, but excellent for most of his career.

Contract: Four years remaining.

Performance: Very good before last season.

Starter:

Nickelback: Josh Wilson

Age: Turned 25 March 11.

Health: Mostly good.

Contract: Two years remaining.

Performance: Excellent (for a nickelback).

Depth: Kelly Jennings

Age: Turns 28 November 30.

Health: Perfect.

Contract: One year remaining.

Performance: Good cover, no ball skills.

Depth: DeAngelo Willingham

Age: Turned 23 January 15.

Depth: Roy Lewis

Age: Turns 25 May 19.

Etc.

Position need: Debatable. I have never been a fan of the hyper secondary replete with talent that some favor, and can not think of a time that has actually worked. Part of the problem is that I think corners have early peaks, and that by the time we know about them, they are beginning to decline. Part of the problem is that secondary play is hard to interpret, even for those with game film. For a season+, Jennings had convinced the NFL he was a precocious young cover corner, and he was in some ways, until quarterbacks started testing him.

I think this unit could add another low-level starter and play pretty well with its existing talent. It needs a healthy Marcus Trufant, because he provides competent cover of number one wide receivers. Wilson could start and play nickel, especially if his awareness continues to improve. I haven't given up on Jennings. I may be the only person, but I haven't.* Seattle started Trufant and Wilson when it could, and cycled in Jennings in nickel situations. He would slide outside and free Wilson to play his more natural position. Long term, Seattle probably needs talent, not only to fill out its secondary, but to eventually take over for Trufant, who has one or two peak years remaining (hopefully). Short term, I would invest in the pass rush and offense and hope more favorable game states and shorter clocks can make Seattle's talented unit emerge.

*Let me explain: Jennings is fast, healthy and a good athlete. This was his performance at the 2006 NFL Combine:

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Combine: 4.45 in the 40-yard dash ... 2.6 20-yard dash ... 1.55 10-yard dash ... Bench presses 225 pounds 17 times ... 40-inch vertical jump ... 10'0" broad jump ... 4.0 20-yard shuttle ... 31-inch arm length ... 8 -inch hands.**

Boy does that hand size ever seem glaring now. Still, excellent measurables all around. Jennings is a good athlete. His problem is mass and ball skills. He doesn't play the ball well, and that further damages his ability to match against larger receivers that can box him out. However, he's still healthy, he is gaining invaluable experience, and his tool set should age well. When you look at Jennings, he doesn't look like he has lost agility or speed. He's lean, and might not fill out until his late twenties. For Jennings, that could be the sweet spot between remaining speed, size, and developing ball skills. If he wasn't so close to being a very good cover corner, I might have given up on him, but I think a late-career performance something like Shawn Springs-lite is still possible.

**Campus: Campus: 4.4 seconds in the 40-yard dash ... 285-pound bench press ... 385-pound squat ... 296-pound power clean ... 35-inch vertical jump ... 32 1/8-inch arm length ... 9-inch hands...

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Seattle has invested alot in this unit.. They need to sink or swim with them

Safety help essential though.

(and pass rush)

(and better than horrible offense)

by Keasley on Apr 9, 2010 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

+

plus competent coaching and schemes and lots of water and poof: we’re world champs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!

by jubelthebear on Apr 11, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

They are good enough for now

With a safety like Campbell or Berry back there and a good push rush they won’t seem as bad as they were last year.

At least we aren't the Raiders?

by Generzal Zod on Apr 9, 2010 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Who is this Safety Campbell?

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Apr 9, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

How does Carroll use CB's?

It seems like he values safeties a lot more, there haven’t been the same amount of CB’s coming out of USC to start in the NFL while he there compared to Safety.

At least we aren't the Raiders?

by Generzal Zod on Apr 9, 2010 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Here's where I make the case for Sherrick McManis as a 5th round pick.

Started for 4 years, including a big matchup against Ohio State his freshman year. He was matched up on Ted Ginn Jr. (Then a Junior and about to leave for the NFL) and shut him down with the exception of a 34 yard touchdown on a perfect pass just over the outstretched hand of Sherrick. McManis was inexplicably able to stick with Ginn, batting down two passes (one fully extended away from the line of scrimmage on a ~25 yarder) and picking off a pass. He doesn’t have much value as a return man, but he can cover and showed ridiculous ball skills his senior season in picking off 5 passes. Kelly Jennings can not do this.

by abender20 on Apr 9, 2010 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I was(am) a supporter of Jennings

Two years ago he was struggling mainly (only?) due to his lack of ball skills. I was always in a craze over Jennings. He would stick like glue to a WR, or at least recover greatly to get to the player. But no matter how much he stuck, he would NEVER be able to deflect the ball, bat it down, catch it. It was crazy, because his body, arm, hand would be there, but he wasn’t aware enough to move it that one more inch to play the ball. So he’d “get beat”. It was so promising but so aggrivating.

This last year, before the season I was excited to see him play. I was a strong advocate of his, and I assumed as a professional athlete with decent upside and study foundation, that he’d keep improving. I figured with defensive “masterminds” in the amazing Jim Mora, maybe he’d finally learn to play the ball and complete his game. Sadly that wasn’t the case.

I still think he can be good…I’m just not so gun-ho about him this year….it seems more like he’s getting shot down due to the competition rather than stepping up and improving. But of course I am completely on the outside and have no real basis for that observation…just what it seems to me. I hope he comes out and shows what he should be and can be capable of.

I Bleed Blue and Green

by DSAhawker on Apr 9, 2010 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

At least he's cheap, and no one else wants him.

Let him stick around and maybe be a nickel corner.

by djafrot on Apr 9, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 years and 1 interception for a first round pick is long enough.

He’s not strong enough to jam his man off the line of scrimmage which is why he has had a tendency in the past to get called for a holding penalty once the receiver beat him.

When he does stick with his man he shows NO ability to look for the ball. Before last year he would just blindly play the receiver and not the ball and it usually would either result in a PI or a completion.

I can’t stand Jennings anymore and think he is easy cut bait in the summer.

UFC is to Larry Fitzgerald as Strikeforce is to Plaxico Burress. One is the most dominant in their league, while the other shoots itself in the midst of progress.

by SSreporters on Apr 9, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...you're right. We've got a lot of needs/depth problems don't we?

UFC is to Larry Fitzgerald as Strikeforce is to Plaxico Burress. One is the most dominant in their league, while the other shoots itself in the midst of progress.

by SSreporters on Apr 9, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jennings is never going to rack up picks but that doesn't mean he can't still be valuable.

I think Jennings is far more dependent on the pass rush than most corners but can also benefit the pass rush with the way he can stick to a receiver.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 9, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree with anybody who thinks Jennings should stay on the team.

I agree he has been able to cover. I agree his ball skills are terrible. I agree having him on the field puts Wilson at nickle where he is most valuable. My main beef with Jennings is he cannot tackle.
It seems like whenever he is in the game his man is targeted frequently especially in the redzone.
What good is a corner who can cover really well but cannot make a play on the ball or tackle the receiver once he has caught it?
To me this was Ruskell’s worst pick.

by nickfru1 on Apr 9, 2010 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder how much ball-skills are related to instincts?

Instincts can’t really be taught. Jennings is a guy with the body, speed, and cover ability but falls short of a guy you would look at play and ever say: “man, that guy is a football player. That guy can really ball!” Some guys can play and some just don’t have it. Jennings doesn’t have it.

 Look at a guy like Chad Jackson (WR, Florida). 6’1", 213, 4.32 40 speed and can’t play a lick of football. Did not see time with Tom Brady throwing it all over the place in NE. Could not get on the field in Denver when Gaffney and Stokely played ahead of him. Though it’s earlier in the case of this career, look at Vernon Gholston: 29 games played, 17 solo tackles (30 total) and 0 sacks, 0 INTs, 0 FF, 0 PDs…etc.

Some guys have all the tools and just can’t play football. Jennings isn’t worthless, but I’m not holding out any sort of hope that he can ever become a viable starting-caliber NFL cornerback. There are probably some guys that can be found in the 4th round this year that should compete for, and hopefully take, his job.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black*, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling**, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Apr 9, 2010 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Tubbs was lights-out until unforseen injury casualty.

Any way to test for what he had? If there was and we didn’t, then he was a bust.

And Jennings had broken ribs in ‘08, only making it difficult to breathe, put his arms up, and wrap tackles. He should have been IR’d that year, but we were even thinner than now. His ’09 performance was substantially better.

Big-Play Babineaux made all his big plays in the nickel at the Linebacker spot, and last year was his first as a true Safety, with attendant growing pains.

Lo Jack and Spencer are both on the early side of the learning curve for their positions, not to mention Curry.

What irks me is how bare the cupboard is due to the lavish rewards for productivity earned elsewhere given to those fine, solid citizens we brought in as free agents in the Ruskell era. Much as it pains me, Mora was right. A few highly productive (young and cheap) dirtbags would make all the difference.

by bleedshawkblue on Apr 10, 2010 2:02 AM PDT reply actions  

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