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Seahawks Roster Analysis: Offensive Line

The offensive line presents a problem: Pete Carroll emphasizes competition but Alex Gibbs emphasizes continuity. In the short term, those might not be contradictory ideas, but eventually, they are. Even in the short term, I think Gibbs favors naming his starters, sticking with them and allowing them to build cohesion and trust. The backups need to be able to fill multiple positions. Therefore, I will list starters for each position, and players in the mix, but it's probably better to think of anyone that doesn't start as either filling depth at tackle or in the interior. Teams can't afford to have a designated backup for their right guard.

Left Tackle

Last season: Anyone and everyone.

Starter: Russell Okung

In the mix: Sean Locklear, Ray Willis, Jacob Phillips.

Competition is not always desirable. It would be a major failure if Okung somehow couldn't secure the left tackle position, but if he doesn't or he suffers injury, Locklear, Willis and rookie Jacob Phillips are potential replacements.

Left Guard

Last season: Rob Sims

Starter: Ben Hamilton

In the mix: Jeff Byers, Mitch Erickson, Steve Vallos

Just for purposes of order, I designated smaller, more athletic guards as left guards and larger, stronger guards as right guards. I did that to match the projected starters: Hamilton and Unger. The "in the mix" players are not designated backups for Hamilton, but the likely depth chart minus Hamilton. So, if Hamilton were sucked into a wormhole, I think Byers would be the next most likely player on roster to fill his position.

Center

Last season: Chris Spencer

Starter: Chris Spencer

In the mix: Max Unger, Jeff Byers, Steve Vallos

Unger made 24 starts at center for Oregon and that and comments made by Unger himself support the argument that he is a natural center. I never bought that. He's too tall, wears his weight too high and isn't strong enough in the lower body to consistently take on nose tackles. However, it would be foolish for me to ignore the possible fit, ignore the possibility that he takes over center next season if Spencer is gone, and ignore that he might still win the position this season.

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Right Guard

Last season: Max Unger

Starter: Max Unger

In the mix: Mike Gibson, Mansfield Wrotto, Adrian Martinez

Injury is probably the greatest threat to Spencer starting at center. And that threat is greatest during the preseason when roles are being defined and starts are being won. If Seattle starts the season with Spencer at center and Unger at right guard, I think it will stick with Unger at right guard regardless of Spencer's health. If Unger overtakes Spencer early, then Gibson, Wrotto, Martinez and also Byers, Erickson and Vallos could compete for snaps at right guard. I think Wrotto has one foot out of the VMAC. He seems like the poorest fit.

Right Tackle

Last season: Ray Willis

Starter: Sean Locklear-Ray Willis

In the mix: Jacob Philips, Joe Toledo (?), Steve Vallos (?), Max Unger (?)

Toledo is listed at 330, but the former tight end is surprisingly athletic. I still don't see him making it. It's a good story anyhow and worth keeping an eye on. Vallos played tackle at Wake Forest and Unger played tackle at Oregon (27 starts), and so both are somewhat in the mix for right tackle, but in all likelihood, one of Locklear or Willis will win the position outright, Phillips will be signed as depth, and depending on the outcome, Seattle might be searching for a new right tackle in 2011.

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Fantastic write up.

The O-line remains one of the more fascinating squads on the Seahawks, post-draft, and this was certainly helped put some detail to the new faces.

Barring injury, I’d imagine this line performs much better than last year’s O-line.

Are there any gotchas? (other than injury) Any ill-suited starters?

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - Morgan

by Nick Andron on May 7, 2010 4:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's hope so

Having a true LT doesn’t hurt.

Good bye Big Walt.

by Generzal Zod on May 8, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't wanna be "that guy" but...

I think you meant Alex Gibbs and not Joe Gibbs. It kinda threw me for a moment

by Jackrabbit5683 on May 7, 2010 5:24 PM PDT reply actions  

That being said

Awesome write-up. And I think I agree more with Gibbs than Carroll. Continuity and knowing how to work with your teammates makes a good O-line

by Jackrabbit5683 on May 7, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Be that guy.

I appreciate it. And fixed.

by John Morgan on May 7, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Knock on wood

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on May 7, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

for all the talk of competition and change...

lets realize ony 2/5 of the line is markedly different here from last year – which is a bad thing. The OL has not been a bright spot the last 2 years. Here’s hoping A. Gibbs will change that.

by paul2 on May 7, 2010 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Change at a 40% clip anywhere

is major change.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on May 7, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I call that 60%

New LT, new LG, and new RT (Lock).

by Kryten on May 7, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

If there is a “good enough” line, Locklear was not quite there at LT but certainly over it at RT.

by cashless on May 8, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Any reason you don't have Vallos "more" in the mix at center?

I didn’t like him there, but I got the impression that he has the quicks and athleticism to play it for Gibbs.

(Recognizing that Spencer is far and away the leading candidate to start.)

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on May 7, 2010 6:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Just think he's behind Unger and Byers

Nothing against Vallos specifically, but Unger is obvious and I favor Byers. Maybe I’m overvaluing the unknown, but I like what I saw out of Byers at USC and though Vallos was markedly better in 2009, I still think Byers has the edge.

by John Morgan on May 7, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Byers has more talent

Vallos is more of a Craig Terrill type of player, he can do it, but he won’t really be good at it.

Good bye Big Walt.

by Generzal Zod on May 8, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unger seems more like a guard

Why do you think he has said one more than one occasion that he wants to play at centre? Does he just enjoy it more? In the NFL you’re better off playing where you fit. Being smart won’t help much if you’re always getting overwhelmed.

by Scotia Seahawk on May 7, 2010 6:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I think this might be the beginning of a good settlement on the OL in the long run.

Okung, Unger and another guard for us in the draft next year can be very benefical as our Hutch-Walt-Tobeck line from the early 2000’s

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on May 7, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

According to Chester Pitts, Chester Pitts might be an option at G

He played for Alex Gibbs the last 2 years at Houston but is recovering from a season ending knee injury, but until that point had never missed a game in his pro career. He says the Seahawks are “the front runner for greatest need and best fit”. We looked at him a month before the draft but teams are waiting to see how his knee heals up before signing him. He would be good for depth if his knee is sound.

by Kevaru on May 7, 2010 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Microfracture

Not many successful returns by offensive linemen. None that I can think of. Effectively ended Walter Jones career. I wish Pitts the best, but even if he recovers fully, it might not be until 2011.

by John Morgan on May 7, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want Unger at left guard

just so I can nickname the left side of the Seahawks’ line “Okunger.”

Anyone know what to make of this article, ranking the league’s top pass protecting teams (notice who’s at #7)? http://www.profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=153

by Suburban Shocker on May 7, 2010 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I find that list very hard to believe

I think it’s impossible that we had fewer blockers per play than anyone in the league when you consider how much the previous coaching staff ranted on the OL. Considering how often Carlson was asked to block (notice too that they take an opportunity to take a dig on him for his lack of blocking skills) and how often Schmitt and our RBs would block. Also they weight their rankings based on QB hurries which is an entirely subjective stat and that’s what they used to gauge “pressure”. As well, they don’t take into account how often Seattle was playing garbage time football when the game was out of reach by the 4th quarter.

By the way, what’s wrong with the Hamilton-Okung “Hung” side of the line.

by Kevaru on May 7, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or some pills for hill?

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on May 8, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dare one of you to rhyme one with

houshmandzadeh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!

by jubelthebear on May 8, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hass goes deep

to Houshmandzadeh, for the whole enchilada.

secondary scorched like a bad frittata.

yeah, he’s a tough one

by hazbro24 on May 8, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh nice.

I hear EPMD needs an opening act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!

by jubelthebear on May 8, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

is he a doctor?

doe’s he like ethnic food?

by hazbro24 on May 8, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know who Neil Hornsby is, but I will cheap shot him in the uterus when I first meet him.

This quote:

…we’re still trying to understand the hype surrounding John Carlson. Pass protection, it seems, is only one of many things at which he doesn’t excel.

Earned him this:

by DJ C-Raig on May 8, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

What I'd make of that is

that you can probably ignore that site. When they get stuff wrong about your own team that you know a little bit about, then how can you trust them on their info for other teams?

It’s kind of like back in the day when I went to the computer store and needed to ask some questions. First I’d ask them a few questions that I knew the answer to, and if they botched that up, then there was no way I was gonna trust them to answer my real questions.

by Mind of no mind on May 9, 2010 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

No fear for Locklear?

Why not root for Seattle whats the worst that could happen...........Ugh thats right, a Steeler-Cardinal superbowl match-up

by Seatown_Sport_Head321 on May 8, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Stay out of the middle, or get lit-up by Lofa

…hit you so hard, all of Seattle will jump off the sofa

by IslandHawk on May 10, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come through the line, and get a glimpse of Tatupu

Before he buries his shoulder and proceeds to tattoo you

by IslandHawk on May 10, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uhhhhh.. Anyone want a peanut?

Bop you on the head like little bunny foo foo?

Oh snap.

by IslandHawk on May 10, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Generzal Zod beat ya to it earlier.

After Whitehurst had dinner at Hasselbeck’s house, he went to Tatupu’s for some cous-cous.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on May 10, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would only rhyme after 1997. I do like the effort

(obscure FieldGulls cross-thread humor)

…and the peanut response was a reverse shout-out to DJ’s Princess Bride acumen about 50 posts up in response to my original stop rhyming quote. Oh, never mind.

BTW, Matt’s kids asked Charlie why he is riding the pine when he can turn water into wine.
(OK, that was especially weak. Need. More. Coffee.)

by IslandHawk on May 11, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

....

Wow. Lol. Thanks for the acknowledgement anyway!

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on May 11, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

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