The Walter Thurmond Wager
Walter Thurmond III is said to have fallen into the fourth round because of injury. That's pretty hard to determine, actually. Thurmond could have been a first round selection. He could have fallen out of the draft. His injury may have made him a slightly worse prospect, but more than that, it made him a harder to evaluate prospect.
Thurmond played through a pelvis injury as a junior. He only played four games as a senior before tearing the MCL, ACL and PCL in his right knee. It's hard to know what Thurmond was and hard to know what Thurmond will return as. His knee prevented him from participating in the pre-draft process, and so not only do we lack objective measurements of his speed, strength, agility and explosiveness, but more importantly, we lack intimate, head-to-head comparison. Thurmond did not compete against other pro talent at the Senior Bowl or run drills alongside his peers at the Combine.
So much reverence is paid to game tape, we can ignore its limitations. The pre-draft process allows coaches and talent evaluators to get back their roots. Way back when, how did Thurmond earn playing time? How did he become West Covina High's top receiver and cornerback? Practice. He showed up at practice and outplayed his peers.
All the Underwear-Olympics jabs miss this vital component of the pre-draft process. It's not all weights and measures. It's an all-star practice where the best compete against the best until the best of the best separate themselves. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie didn't earn a place in the first round with game tape, he did it in practice. He did it at the Senior Bowl. He backed up that performance with another impressive showing at the Combine.
Thurmond did not get to practice. He did not record a forty time, a vertical or a three cone. He did not press Riley Cooper or jump a route targeted by Tim Tebow. He could have earned himself into the first round. Seriously. He could have fallen like Syd'Quan Thompson. Ok, probably not.
So you see, drafting Thurmond is an interesting gamble made possible and practical by John Schneider and the Seahawks FO hoarding picks. Basically, I love it. Love everything about this pick. Loved it when it happened, have always championed selecting players devalued because of routine injuries and though I'm not sure Thurmond's injury is routine, ligament replacement is common, with a predictable timetable and typical results. I love this pick. Now let me explain why.
Oregon faced Utah in the small window between Thurmond's pelvis injury and knee injury. It is a good game for scouting Thurmond because it's current, he was healthy, the game was tightly contested and Utah has a pretty good passing offense and at least one pro talent at wide receiver, David Reed. It's not perfect, but it offers a taste of Thurmond's potential.
1. 1st and 10 at UTAH 25 Terrance Cain pass complete to David Reed for 6 yards to the Utah 31.
Thurmond is playing the field side, which happens to be the offensive right. He is ten yards deep off the rightmost receiver. Thurmond smoothly backpedals and then squares and covers his man. The pass is short-left and Thurmond does not otherwise factor.
2. 2nd and 4 at UTAH 31 Eddie Wide rush for a loss of 1 yard to the Utah 30.
Field, ten yards off, stays square, but it's read-option run that Will Tukuafu crashes and stops for a loss.
3. 3rd and 5 at UTAH 30 Terrance Cain rush for 4 yards to the Utah 34.
Thurmond drops into cover along the right sideline. Quarterback Terrance Cain scrambles to the left and is tackled just short of the first.
(Punt)
1. 4th and 1 at UTAH 34 Sean Sellwood punt for 44 yards, returned by Walter Thurmond III for 78 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.
Thurmond receives, shows explosive quickness up and through his second gear. He wends through coverage and around blockers. Here's what pops: Thurmond maintains rare speed while running at angles. His speed peters out towards the end and two Utah defenders look to have an angle on him, but Thurmond redirects inside and a foot race he was losing is won by a comfortable margin. Impressive, and typical of Thurmond's career.
In four seasons:
Average kickoff return: 25.4 yards (31 attempts, no touchdowns)
Average punt return: 15 yards (11 attempts, one touchdown)
Interception return: 14.1 (12 interceptions, 3 touchdowns)
Fumble return: 25 (1, 1 touchdown)
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Exciting!
He has a nose for the football, 14 picks is great.
I hope he recovers to the point he can send Pistol to the nickel. I had really no idea he was this kind of return man. Though the overall numbers are good but not great, the TD potential is staggering. Seems to really have a gift.
I liked the observation about maintaining speed running angles. I’m going to be curious about for what other players this is a stand-out trait.
Big Walt: thanks for the smile. Thanks for your Hall of Fame career.
Is there a time table for his return?
I haven’t heard how his progress is going.
Nonsense, Poopy-Pants!
Thank you, John!
I’ve been hoping to get a little more info on him. I know he was part of a really good secondary in 2008, and that he missed a lot of time in 2009, coupled with the fact that I didn’t watch much of Oregon in 2008, I didn’t know much about him.
I am very eager to see how he might shake out.
Golden!
I liked this guy at Oregon
Hope to see some good things out of this guy.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Just don't let him return kicks
and he could be the rock of of the CB position for this decade like Trufant was for the last decade. I just don’t want to see anymore helmets to the knee. Let Leon return kicks and Golden return punts.
Because a helmet to Washington's or Tate's knee would be better or less likely?
It was a freak injury, you can’t let something like that keep you from putting players in a position to help the team.
Psh, a dome to Leon's knee wouldn't hurt him. Dude has indestructible legs of tempered steel.
…too soon?
Leon's bionic ROD is 100% pure
Unobtanium.
by hazbro24 on May 9, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
or unobtainium
that stuff is even more rare and valuable.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on May 10, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
It was the Dub-T-III pick more than anything that made me realize this new FO was different
And not just a continuation (like Mora’s reign seemed). I’m excited about Thurmond; it’s easier to lose when you can watch interesting players develop, and winning is even sweeter. As a Beaver, I hated this guy, but as with MoMorris and Knick Reed—all is forgiven when you put on The Blue.
Does he project to eventually start opposite of Trufant
or is he going to be more situational, assuming he makes a full recovery?
It's questions like this that makes me wonder if a coin flip wouldn't give you a better answer.
We can’t really know.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on May 9, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, really what I'm getting at is what kind of talent does this guy have.
by Blake Jensen on May 10, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, as John can answer for himself, I'll answer as if you were asking me.
According to my friend, who is an Oregon fan – he watches every game – Thurmond has the kind of talent to consistently start in the NFL. But as we know, talent is not necessarily a sound base for projecting a player’s future role with any team.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on May 10, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
This was a big reason we wanted to see Ruskell go
He never would have taken a guy like this, we needed this sort of risk. If he stays healthy he will be really good. The secondary suffered after he was out.
Good bye Big Walt.
Walther Thurman was a fantastic pick
As a Duck die hard I can tell you that if he can recover and stay healthy he’ll be a godsend for the Hawks. When he’s on the field his name is called over and over again. He is everywhere. When he went down Oregon fans were expecting that maybe this was the end of our season maybe even more so than losing Blount game one. Those that was a mighty blow.
W.T 3 is going to play all star caliber D and score more touchdowns than a pro CB has a right to. Book it.
by Great Sergios Ghost on May 10, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions
That's nice to hear. I hope he makes it come true.
Big Walt: thanks for the smile. Thanks for your Hall of Fame career.
I dream of secondaries...
…especially this nickel package:
CB Tru
CB Thurmond
FS Thomas
SS Chance
5 Wilson
Hopefully it works out this way. HOPES
I'm not sure who this Walther Thurman guy is.
But I’m looking forward to seeing what this Walter Thurmond kid has, for sure.
I get over exited and errors are the result
Oh and that’s Walter Thurmond the THIRD to you sir.
by Great Sergios Ghost on May 12, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions

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