The Road Back, Part 4: Changing of the Guard
Had I been alive, I probably would have backed Jim Zorn.
Zorn is underappreciated, even by Seahawks fans. His numbers appear abysmal. Some of that is a function of his surrounding talent. Expansion teams are set up to fail, and the early Seahawks were a gaggle of rejects from other teams. Some of that is the depressed passing environment of the late seventies. Zorn took the reins when running ruled and passing was a dicey proposition for the ever-conservative head coaches of the NFL.
By 1983, Zorn was finished. He was younger than Matt Hasselbeck, had enjoyed a comparable peak at a younger age, and was, like Hasselbeck, seen as both victim and culprit. The early eighties Seahawks offenses were abysmal, but Zorn barely rose above the fray. His health was slipping and his numbers were trending down and a kid with spotty pocket awareness and fumble problems was looming.
Dave Krieg took over permanently in 1983. If one stat could tell a story, consider Krieg and Zorn's respective yards per completion in 1983: 14.6 and 11.3. The epilogue might read: Krieg accomplished his passing superiority at the expense of sacks. Krieg and Zorn by sack percentage: 13.5% and 4.2%.
I'm not sure Matt Hasselbeck is finished. 2010 is the first time since Hasselbeck took over for Trent Dilfer that he must win his position out of training camp and through the preseason. Even if that's nine parts lip service to "competition" and only one part real, it's significant. I can't help but notice there is no competition lined up for Lofa Tatupu or T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Seattle spent big to acquire Charlie Whitehurst and would be thrilled for Whitehurst to seize the job. He's younger, healthier, less expensive, under contract longer and fits the offense better. Hasselbeck's contract is up after this season and I can't recall mention of an extension. It's entirely possible Hasselbeck does not want to continue playing in the NFL. Or that he doesn't want to continue in Seattle. He's an intelligent man, charming in a disarming and clever sort of way and his career doesn't have to end with football.
I try to avoid wistful digressions about how good Hasselbeck was, because it reads like an obituary, but if not for good will and memories, Hasselbeck would certainly be the most frustrating and angering player on the roster. He has had some spotty surrounding talent, been injured for sure, but one need only watch week sixteen of last season to see Hasselbeck has been his own undoing. However it started and whenever it will end, should it end, Hasselbeck isn't simply struggling with a poor supporting cast, he has declined in every meaningful way a quarterback can decline, from arm strength and accuracy to poise and decision making.
So, Whitehurst...Is Charlie Whitehurst the next Dave Krieg? No no. No no. Krieg was great. Perhaps in retrospect, greater than Hasselbeck. By career AV, Pro Football References catch all for career value, Krieg dominates Hasselbeck 97 to 73. 24 points is like two more 2007s under Hasselbeck's belt. Krieg was good, frustrating, sack prone as all get out, but good. Whitehurst couldn't be, could he?
One can nevertheless draw parallels. Krieg moved well and could toss it deep. Ditto Whitehurst. Krieg struggled mightily with pocket awareness, especially at first, but settled down enough to succeed. Whitehurst will surely suffer some sacks. We can't know if he'll overcome. We can't know, really. We know what he is, where he is in his career and we can have an idea about what he does and doesn't do well, but projecting what a quarterback will become is the Holy Grail of scouting. To spend a tired phrase, if I could, I wouldn't...
When something special and unexpected happens, you're not supposed to look back and wonder, "How can I get it again?" But we do. And though expecting a breakthrough season from a team some consider the worst in the NFL might seem as delusional as it is greedy, fickle fate bends both ways. Sometimes you expect nothing, and the reason you expect nothing is exactly why something special happens. The Seahawks are in transition. Perhaps they are building. Perhaps they are still weathering the collapse. And perhaps, Pete Carroll knows a thing or two about winning whatever the tactic, Golden Tate is the latest Biletnikoff winner to explode on the NFL, the run game is no longer a sinkhole, and the kid that takes too many sacks is about to save us from our broken down but beloved quarterback.
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My dad's favorite player of all time is Dave Krieg...
I would love for Whitehurst to become my Dave Krieg.
Good stuff John
I kind of fear a protracted, painfully unsure season at the QB position, but we’ll see.
I could see something similar to the JJ/Forsett scenario
Matt’s play might be the best he can offer but leaves something to be desired…but not enough to warrant him being benched. Slight injury keeps him out a couple games, Whitehurst steps in and impresses (nothing superstar but clearly an improvement) but goes back to #2 when Matt gets healthy again. Whitehurst the clear favorite going into 2011.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Kinda how I'm seeing it too
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Whitehurst and Krieg have their similarities, but alternatively: where do they differ?
(I’m asking not be a smart ass, I simply haven’t a clue)
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Whitehurst's hands are much bigger
I say this never having seen them, but they have to be.
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Reading through this post I couldn't help but hear it in my head...
…the saddening sound of a bugel playing ‘Taps’.
Red Bryant: surprise us!
I liked Zorn & Krieg
and I like Hasselbeck, too. It seems like they’re all so different too. I’d expect that it’s really hard to compare Matt to Krieg, mostly because at that time, pass defenses definitely weren’t as sophisticated as they are now. Though I’m sure there’s probably an adjusted stat to compensate for that.
by PerryCollective on Jun 17, 2010 10:58 PM PDT reply actions
I think this is a great comparisons
Not that the current similarities will translate into similar results. But what if
Not sure about this comparison
a couple of things: Zorn’s arm strength is something we’ve not seen since with the only exception being Warren Moon. but “Deeper, Steve” was the cry of the day when Zorn would huck a perfect spiral 60 yards to Largent. Krieg could throw, too, but not as deep as consistently.
NFL records: Fumbles lost – Career, Season, game: Dave Krieg is in the top 3 of all of these.
Both Zorn and Krieg were winners to Seattle fans… it wasn’t until Moon that we had another ‘leader’ on the team at QB… and then not until Matt. Certainly we all hope that the transition to whomever steps in is less than dramatic and nothing but smooth, but that rarely happens in the NFL. Good luck to Charlie and whomever competes for that job… as long as Matt is around, I think he still has the stuff to win it outright… as long as you include his innate Leadership ability which I feel is as crucial in a QB as any other trait.

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