Rooting for the Bad Guys
This is a Seahawks blog, but it's safe to say most of you readers have other rooting interests in various sports. At least a plurality, if not a majority of you, root for other Seattle-area or Pacific-Northwestern teams. This weekend Safeco Field will be overrun by Red Sox loyalists, which will trigger the usual tsunami of complaints about "bandwagon" and "fair weather" carpet-bagging fans.
Since my first trip to a Mariners' game at the Dome in 1990, I've been one of those carpet-baggers. Yup. I'm a Washingtonian born-and-bred, and I'm also a proud member of Red Sox Nation. Almost every year, I make a trip to Seattle and root for the bad guys...
Why?
The story of how I became a Seahawks fan is pretty simple: I was caught up in the enthusiasm of the incredible 1983 season, where at age 8 I went to my first game and was hooked for life.
The Red Sox thing? It came a bit later on. I grew up in the Tri-Cities, and I barely knew ANY actually Mariners fans (no big shock there.. back then the M's were atrocious).. My friends would argue constantly about individual players, though. The big one was Roger Clemens v. Dwight Gooden. In 1986, I loved The Rocket (for obvious reasons I detest him now), and when the Red Sox also happened to have a great season, I was hooked. I'd love to tell you I was tortured about the '86 series, but frankly at age 11 I was pretty sure they'd just win it all the next season (I wasn't the most realistic kid). Being a bookish little nerd of a sports fan, I devoured the sordid history of the Red Sox, and was enchanted by Fenway and the lore surrounding the Boston nine.
As early as '86 I have pictures of me with what would become my uniform: Red Sox hat, Seahawks jersey/sweatshirt/t-shirt. In the early 90s I started going to games at the Kingdome.. but instead of rooting for the M's, I was there in all my Red Sox gear. I realized something: It was kind of fun to be the villain (which inspired me to start going to Seahawks road games as well)... I started college at Western in 1993, and catching a Sox game in Seattle became an annual tradition (one that got my dorm room in Fairhaven TP'd while I was at a game more than once).
In 1995 I was surrounded by Mariners fever, and I'll admit to pulling for them unless the M's success screwed up things for my Red Sox (usually, the M's winning tends to help out Boston). But it was strange to be the only guy pissed off because the idiots running MLB started regional playoff coverage on TV that season... While the M's and Yankees battled on TV, I couldn't watch the Red Sox get pounded into dust by Cleveland (maybe that was a good thing).
Since then I've been to Fenway twice, and also seen games at Safeco, the Cell, Coors Field, Great American Ballpark, Jacobs Field and Comerica Park. My love of the Sox has never eclipsed my love of the Seahawks, but I have to admit the Red Stockings helped make the Behring Dark Ages of the 1990s more tolerable by making playoff runs in 1990, 1995, 1998 and 1999. I cherish the World Championship years of 2004 and 2007, but I'd trade them both in an instant for a Lombardi Trophy sitting in the lobby of the VMAC.
In an indirect way, I find the Red Sox inspiring as a Seahawks fan... For DECADES they couldn't get over the hump, but now here they sit with two World Championships in recent years... To borrow the catch phrase from the 2004 Red Sox and apply it to the Seahawks: Why Not Us?
The assumption that all the Red Sox fans at Safeco this weekend are bandwagon douchenozzles really irks me, because I know for a fact that PLENTY of them are life-long Sox fans, who are also from the Northwest. But I'd like to say a little bit in defense of even those newbie, bandwagon fans...
Aren't bandwagon fans something we should hope the Seahawks start attracting again? Us loyalist types will ALWAYS have to deal with bandwagoners if/when our teams are successful. If you were at any Seahawks road games from 2003-2007, you probably noticed a lot more Seattle fans in attendance than you would have in say, 1998 or 2009.
Is this a bad thing? They're not all flying in from Seattle. Would we rather Seahawks merchandise molder on the shelves nationwide? And how do you really tell the difference between a new fan who is going to grow into a loyal, knowledgable passionate Twelve and a "bandwagoner?" Do you administer a quiz?
Here's the other thing... Didn't most of us, at some point, latch onto the Seahawks during a successful, or at least memorable, season? I'm betting most Twelves can point to years like 1983, 1988, 1999 or 2005 as the catalyst for their Seahawks loyalties. What if the Seahawks have a great 2010 season and attract a bunch of new fans? If they fade off to another team over time, yeah, they're poesurs... But what if that grows into lasting, rabid fandom?
Which leads to the whole "at least x is from blank" argument. If you really believe that, do you reject Seahawks fans who, maybe, fell in love after seeing that game against NYG in 2005 but are from Portland, Maine rather than Portland, Oregon? Maybe that same person gets the cash together to come out to Qwest this year, buys a Golden Tate jersey, and screams his lungs out for three hours. Do you not want THAT guy in the fold? I'll take him over some Bellevue suburbanite who tells me to sit down during an NFL game (that really happened).
There's lots of reasons people form a life-long attachment to a pro sports team. Geographical proximity, by itself, is a pretty weak reason to root for a team in my book. If you love a team, your story had better be deeper than "they happened to be on TV where I live."
So what's your story? Who's with me on this? Violently opposed? Do you just root for Seattle teams, or do you root for teams from all over? I think I might have turned out differently if I had grown up IN Seattle instead of 3 hours away in Eastern WA, but we'll never know.
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I'd like to give you crap for being a Red Sox fan despite your very convincing post
but then I realize I’d be a pretty big hipocrite, seeing as I’m a huge Patriots fan.
I root for all Seattle teams.
But often pick bandwagon teams in the MLB and NFL when mine falls out of contention.
I also have a strange love for the St. Louis Cardinals.
No prob
I am but a humble servant to the larger goal of Field Gulls: World domination.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
I do look like a giant fat bearded f**k in that picture :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Pictures taken from below are often unflattering.
But I just couldn’t stand Field Gulls opening up to a dude in a Red Sox jersey. Fuck that.
by John Morgan on Jul 22, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
ha ha
fuck that indeed :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You look like the drunk heckler from my last Safeco visit
Wouldn’t shut up the entire game, got increasingly more drunk, less coherent, less original in his heckling, and louder as the game wore on. The Lopez hit a walk off double on a 13 pitch at bat to end it. Patting him on the shoulder on the way out and saying “good game” was so much more satisfying than the actual game.
I have no problem with you being a Sox fan; they’ve got a long history (albeit most of it revolves around playing second fiddle to the Yankees), and they’ve had a wide range of very dynamic and watchable players. I have a problem with Red Sox Nation though. A less classy group I have yet t meet at a game.
Wasn't me
A) I haven’t been to Safeco since 2008
B) I don’t get shitfaced at the games
C) I’m not so goddamn stupid that I heckle players on the home team; I’m just there to root for my team (whether it’s the Red Sox or the Seahawks)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not so much the heckling
As that it was uncreative and surly heckling. You can only replace the “ro” with “sucks” in the “Ichi-Ro” chant so many times before it’s worn out.
I remember going to the Mariners/Blue Jays game at Safeco during Canada Day a few years ago
And the crowd being approximately 1/3rd Blue Jays fans….I assume they were mostly from Vancouver and all Canadians root for the Blue Jays. Anyway I remember giving some (female) Blue Jays fans sitting nearby some light shit about rooting for a mediocre team based about 2,000 miles away from Seattle, but didn’t get too obnoxious about it (I think).
Anyway, the M’s took care of Roy Halladay that night and everything was golden. FUCK YOU, CANADA!!!
One of my best friends is a Mariners fan.
(I’m in Victoria, by the way).
We west-coast Canadians quite frequently share more in common with the Pacific Northwest than we do Eastern Canada.
Hey I'm in Victoria too!
(Check out my avatar, djafrot, I drive around in that, with her. )
I friggin HATE Toronto teams, cant stay the thought of rooting for one.
Try being a Canucks fan, and 3/4 of GM Place is all Maple Leaf fans. All Ontarians should move back to the wintery hole from whence they came and leave Mariners fans alone.
I was a Saints fan first, then Seahawks right after, cause you gotta love the local team or you’re a jerk that just wants to be contrary, and then picked up the Mariners because Randy Johnson was awesome, and the So___cs by 96 or so.
I was in Seattle the previous weekend to see the drag races, picked up a speeding ticket on the way home, after my avatar-eye-candy spent 1500 bucks shopping. Fuck you state trooper! (actually I was polite, and have total respect for cops just doin their job)
Really...
Are you really going to try to brag on a website…
I find it really off-putting and offensive.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jul 23, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh dude... I'm really sorry...
I had no idea I’d offend you… I profusely apologize. Your opinion means everything to me.
I should replace that avatar immediately. No one wants to know about something cool that someone else has! What was I thinking?
No call for snide sarcasm here.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I tend to latch onto local teams, though I'm starting to branch out to find a Premier League soccer club to root for.
I became a Mariners fan (and a sports fan in general) on April 7th, 2000 when Mike Cameron robbed Derek Jeter of a home run to deep left-center.
Seahawks in 2004, Sounders FC last season.
I've been a Spurs fan forever
My dad has been a fan his whole life, his dad before him etc. It’s a been painful for many years (my three best friends are Arsenal fans) but so, so rewarding when we’ve had success.
Considering how randomly my own years of other-side-of-the-world maniacally supporting the Seahawks (I’ll visit Seattle and attend my first Hawks game this September) began, I’m fascinated by the process others go through when deciding what team to support. I think you only know when you find yourself always desperate for that team to win whoever they’re playing.
Whoever you end up following I hope you enjoy it. It’s one of the greatest sports in the world and the Premier League is as good as it gets.
Liverpool's got the best song ("You'll Never Walk Alone").
I also met a very cool couple from Chelsea, a decade ago in Kho Pha Ngan, Thailand, and Chelsea was always awesome but then some Russian trillionaut bought the team and they’ve been dominant for a decade so it’s not too chic to pick them right now.
by jacobstevens on Jul 23, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Made even better by its inclusion in a Pink Floyd track!
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
Growing up in Spokane
I can’t remember when I wasn’t a Seahawks, Mariners, Cougars and Sonics fan. Now the sonics are gone, and I cannot root for the new team. I have also lived in CO for over 3 years now. With the excitement of the Rockies in ‘07, their continued marginal success, and the sad shape of the M’s since that time has the Rocks stealing me away from the M’s. Kinda sad, but I feel better and better about it every day.
The Seahawks and Cougs will be forever.
Your questionnaire isn't specific enough.
If by “only root for Seattle area teams” you mean “never root for any other team”, then no. But if you mean “Seattle teams always get rooting-preference in contests with other teams” then yes. I really liked the Chargers for awhile because they’ve had the best chance of stickin’ it to the east coast teams. But most of their stars (Merriman, Rivers, Jackson) are douchey or unlikeable.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
And I also lived in San Diego when they got destroyed in the Super Bowl by San Fran.
I have very little memory left from that game, except that Junior Seau was a freakin’ beast.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
My Top 5 Sports Memories
1. Seeing the 2005 NFC Championship game in person
2. 2004 Red Sox playoff run
3. 2007 Red Sox playoff run
4. Seeing the 2006 Seahawks-Cowboys playoff game in person
5. Seahawks 1983 playoff win at Miami
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions
I'm a diehard Seattle fan.
I’ve loved the M’s for as long as I can remember (back in the 90’s) as baseball was my first true passion. I didn’t know if the team was good or not in the standings until the late 90’s to early 00’s when I started to pay attention to that, I just rooted for the players who I loved, not caring about the bigger picture of an entire season. I cried when we traded Griff.
I was also a huge Sonics fan at a young age, watching the Glove, Sweet Lew, and Ray Ray. I was in 6th grade for that last playoff run and loved how the team came together with all of the role players doing exactly what was asked (Fortson, Antonio Daniels, and etc.). Even Jerome James had a good playoff series.
I’ve also been a Canucks fan from a pretty young age, adopting them when I went with my parents to the figure skating championships in Vancouver. My loyalty to the team has grown with each playoff run, watching Luongo and Turco battle it out in the Canucks/Stars series of several years ago and recently watching the hated Blackhawks dispose of my Nucks two seasons in a row.
I became a Hawks fan passively in 2003 and aggressively after attending the 2004 Rams playoff loss as a 6th grader. My parents bought a 4 game pack for the 05’ year and the Super Bowl run had me hooked. The Hawks are now my favorite team.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jul 22, 2010 3:07 PM PDT reply actions
I don't think it's unreasonable to presume most fans of one of the most popular teams in sport,
out of the NE area, are bandwagon. You may not like it, but that part of the price of being a Sox fan. Same with teams like the Yankees, Cowboys, Raiders, Lakers and so on.
And to your point that Seahawks start attracting bandwagon fans again, I ask, who cares? If someone comes to the Seahawks because they are successful, then so be it. Time will tell if they become real fans or stay simply bandwagon. Times like we’ve just come through and the better part of the 90s definitely cull the herd. But tell me again why I should care if someone is here only for the good times? Again, time will tell and for those that stick through it, think and thin, I say good on you. Welcome and glad you’re with us. Am I provincial? Yes. Do I wear a chip on my shoulder? Yes. Do I give a rip about a swell of fans during the good times? Hell no, fuck off. Been through too much. This is one man’s opinion, as unpopular as it may be.
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I think I stated pretty clearly
that yes, bandwagon fans come along with a team’s success… didn’t I?
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't implying that you didn't.
But why should we hope the Seahawks start attracting bandwagon fans again? Because that means the team is successful?
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Yup
Success = More Bandwagon Fans = Higher TV ratings = More merchandise sales = More revenue, etc… all good stuff, right?
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
For Mr. Allen perhaps.
The bandwagon fan to me, is an ugly but inevitable byproduct of winning. They are to be ignored / tolerated for the most part. When Seattle is successful, I look at it as for the diehards first, everything else is ancillary. Just different perspectives, that’s all.
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Wouldn't more revenue
help the Seahawks stay competitive more consistently? If the bandwagoners are bringing $, I say come on aboard, you fairweather fuck-os! :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
How?
If it was like baseball with no cap (ceiling and hard floor) then perhaps.
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The salary cap is only for players, right?
Would the extra money help with coaching staff, conditioning staff, medical staff, practice facilities, travel considerations, advertising, etc?
by John Edwards on Jul 22, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Exactly, my man.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure you'll agree that 2005 was the height of Seahawk popularity, nationally.
How competitive have they been since that influx of bandwagoners bringing in their $? They gotten progressivly worse each season. It’s not the amount of dollars, it’s how those dollars are spent. Bandwangon fans do not bring more wins or assure sustained competitiveness.
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Whether they've spent the money wisely or not, you can't say it doesn't help.
For example, maybe all the money the Hawks made during their peak this decade allowed them to ditch Mora after a single season and pursue a high profile coach and allow him to bring in an all star supporting coaching staff. If the Hawks were in a similar situation to, say, the Bills, then we’d likely still have Mora.
Theres also the VMAC, which is kind of the crowning jewel of the franchise. It didn’t come free.
I did say money doesn't help.
It’s just like any other tool, it must be used wisely to yield benefit. The more tools, the better. But a crowded bandwagon full of Johnny-come latelys, who abandon the team at the first sign of adversity, do nothing to improve a teams sustained success. If money were all it took, the Redskins under Snyder would be far better.
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in any case
I’d rather have the extra $ than not have it… just ask a Bills fan.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
You'll have to read the whole thread.
The basic premise seems to be that more bandwagon fans = more money = more wins. I disagree.
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I think they can be heavily correlated
but no one can reasonably say they’re equatable. Not in this sport anyway.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Not deterministic
But once again, I’d rather have more $ than less, wouldn’t you?
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I seems as if you are intentionally not getting the point now.
The conversation has never been more money vs. less. Bandwagon fans and increased revenue are not mutually exclusive. If someone comes in during a winning period and stays for the duration, regardless of success, that’s great. But the pittance that fair weather fans bring don’t make a significant difference to owenership’s coffers. It’s season ticket holders, fans that buy merchandise every year and other diehards that keep significant revenue flowing. Growing a fanbase is not the same thing a welcoming “douchenozzles”, as you refer to them. Fuck people who come in for the winning and pretend they are genuine fans of the team. And if in your mind that means sacrificing money, then so be it. I disagree and they can bugger off.
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I think you're vastly undervaluing the casual fan.
The six thousand die hards showing up to Key Arena couldn’t save the Sonics.
This is a false argument, to me.
If an additional six thousand “casual” fans attended that rally at Key, I would see it as 12,000 die-hards. But that speaks to my point; how much positive impact do bandwagon fans actually have. In the case of the Sonics, apparently not much. (Not that an arena full of Sonic fans could have prevented that debacle, at that stage.)
To me, a casual fan is one whose enthusiasm for a particular team (usually a local one) ebbs and flows with that team’s success. It’s not as though they shift their “loyalty” from one team to another over a period of time during down periods, to one whose results are more satisfactory. Local sports do need casual fans as well, I’ll agree. But the bandwagon fan has never helped prevent a franchise from moving. Ever. These people are like sports carpetbaggers. In fact they do more harm than good in a sense. They create a false bubble of support that inevitably will not be sustained. Unlike the die-hards who provide a bedrock of support and growing that (casual fans too, to a lesser degree) is key.
This is how I see it, for good or ill.
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Everyone is a bandwagon fan, at first
Maybe it’s different if you’re rooting for the hometown team and your parents get you interested at a very young age, but for the most part everyone starts out as a uncommitted to a team at first, and time plus memorable games/players/events cement a lasting foundation of loyalty.
I’m okay with bandwagon fans who are adults and latch onto the team during a successful year; the question is if they remain loyal to the team even after the good years have passed by. That’s the difference between a good fan and a fair-weather fan, no matter how close you live to the team.
I work accross the street from the SF Giant's stadium...
…so I consequently hate all baseball fans. :)
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
Really?
I’m in the Fairfield Vacaville area. Hoping to stay in the country for football season so I can see the Hawks play in SF.
Fairfield / Vacaville?
Sorry to hear that. That is one windy, hot area.
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Yep, perfect for Air Force planes.
I don’t mind going 20 minutes to Napa though.
I became a Seahawks fan after moving here in high school,
but the family team will always be the Kansas City Chiefs. With the Seahawks being in a separate conference (now), it’s been easy to root for both teams, but the end of November will be a difficult time for me when the Chief’s play at Qwest!
I started as a Seahawk fan in the losing years, 90 and on
Seem to remember the 92 season very well. Became a fan because a family friend had season tickets and they’d take me to a few.
Any affiliation to any other team was pure bandwagon. I enjoyed the Mariners run and Sonics runs, but immediately fell off once they started to stink. Other sports just don’t do it or bore me to death. On the other hand I can watch any football game, pick a team, and immediately start cheering for them. I don’t know, there’s something about football that just sucks me in.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jul 22, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd, because this sums me up almost perfectly.
I have been a Seahawks fan as long as I can remember, but for some reason 92 stands out in my memory as the first year where I watched ever single game closely, and started reading every single piece of print I could find on the Seahawks on through the off season. I also agree about being able to get into any football game. If there was an exhibition game on tv between the Lions and the Bengals right now, I’d be watching it.
I follow all the other Seattle teams to some extent and try to tune into the games, even if I’m not locked into it. I get way more into it if the team makes a playoff run, but I’m careful to never pretend like I’m one of the faithful during the good years, because those people annoy me. Anytime I meet someone from Seattle that is a diehard Cowboys or 49er fan, I kind of want to punch them in the face, so I have no problem with Mariner or Sonic fans (when we had the Sonics) that feel the same way about fans in their sport.
by Mind of no mind on Jul 22, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Douchenozzles
How do you feel when you see an opponents jersey in Quest? Personally I rather like assuming they are all idiots, and booing them. Its the same thing for opposing fans in Safeco. I could care less if you root for the Red Sox at home, but I really don’t like seeing your stupid jersey in Safeco. And I especially don’t like hearing Red Sox (or Yankee) chants in Safeco.
So I have a hard time caring if you don’t like the being thought of as a douchenozzle, because when you step into Safeco and root against my team, you are a douchenozzle. And frankly, the fact that you you are local and come to root against the Mariners is annoying on a purely fan-hate level.
by scotthawk on Jul 22, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
The people of Cleveland, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Cincy, and Detroit
also think I am a huge douchnozzle. By this rationale, you should never go to a Seahawks road game, right?
I’m planning to going to the game in Chicago this October. Should I not go for fear of being labeled a douchnozzle?
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You/one should go.
Seeing the ‘Hawks on the road is a blast. But understand, I’m realize in enemy territory and I accept the reality that I am a “douchenozzle” to those people, and expect to take some. It would be foolish to think otherwise.
Some cities tolerate these “intrusions” better than others. In Oakland, I wear nothing Seahawk. Not worth the very real threat of a fight. In Denver, taking verbal abuse all game long was the norm. Arizona, not a peep. I’ve been to many road games (including going to New Orleans this season) and have experienced quite a range but I am the douche to those people when I’m there. It doesn’t really bother you you’re looked down upon in those situations, does it? I didn’t think so. All part of fandom.
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I completely agree
you are going to take some abuse as a road fan, which makes victory even sweeter when it happens. The abuse I’ve taken as a Red Sox fan in Seattle is NOTHING compared to what I’ve endured in two Seahawks games in Cleveland… Those losers are total assholes.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I've heard Cleveland is bad.
Seattle is fairly passive and tolerant of the opposing fans, both Mariners and Seahawks. I would say the heyday was the mid / late 80s with the Raider hater t shirts, as far as hostile Seahawk fans. It was wonderful. Denver was a real close second.
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Ohio is full of assclowns. I'm glad I'm gone.
I can testify, everyone from Cleveland is an asshole. Every single last person.
I was born in Chicago, raised in Columbus, Ohio, and lived in Detroit (before moving to Asia) and my family and friends cheer for one of the 4 teams, Bears, Bengals, Browns, and Lions. I became a fan of the Seahawks in 2004 or so when Bobby Engram won me my Fantasy Football league. I had Bobby and Josh Brown for a few years, Nothing has ever felt better than wearing my Seahawks Jersey in Cinci when the Hawks beat the Bengals in 2007.
As far as the whole bandwagon thing, it all comes down to ego. Yea, I was a fan first, which means I’m a true fan, I have been a fan longer, even when we sucked… well, everyone starts somewhere, to declare someone’s worse of a fan just because they only started liking the team recently? Bah, that’s a bunch a bullshit. No one’s more special just because you like a team ‘better’ than someone else.
Ohio is OK
aside from their boorish sports-fan behavior, folks in the Buckeye state are just fine (and Columbus is one of my favorite cities)…
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 26, 2010 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Growing up in Columbus gives you a different idea.
Everyone is OSU homers. I once had my grandmother’s car windshield broken and car spray painted cause her license plate was from Michigan.
The city itself, is great. good place to live, the sports atmosphere, blows. Everyone’s used to OSU having undefeated or one loss seasons, if they have a 9-4 season or so, people are calling for coaches to be fired and saying the season was a failure…
The Crew are pretty good though. I’m a fan of Seahawks, Mariners, Redwings, Crew, and Pistons.
As an NY resident who's a Seahawk/Mariners fan
I definitely understand the guys who show up in the belly of the beast. I wore my old-school Griffey jersey to both the Cliff Lee and the Felix starts at the end of June. (We won both; it was awesome.) That said, I go in with the understanding that I’m gonna catch shit from the hometown fans. I only root for my team, not against the opponent. DKSB, you’re a better man than I if you refrain from profanity and alcohol. Ichiro made a fielding error and I definitely dropped an F-bomb (and apologized profusely to the family in front of me). My Yankee Stadium record for M’s wins is 6-3, IIRC.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
When I see an opposing fan at Qwest
The first person I blame is the season ticket holder who allowed an opposing fan to get their hands on a ticket. They deserve some derision and verbal abuse, naturally… But I’ve been on the other side of that equation, so I don’t begrudge them being there.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I really really really dislike seeing other fans...
…(especially your usual bandwagon team fans) at my teams’ venues, but that’s sports. That’s the way it is. I despise you pationately for cheerly loudly for your team in my stadium, and because you are a Red Sox fan, it goes without saying that you are rude and obnoxious, and very likely disrespectful to my teams and their fans….
But again, that is the nature of sports. If we were so inclined, we could jump on the bandwagon of perennial winners and not have to worry about it.
We don’t, because we are true Seattle fans through and through. Case in point is the 2005 season for the Seahawks, or 1995 for the Mariners. I will never ever forget how I felt during those 2 seasons (with a few more sprinkled in here and there), and that is something a Yankees or Red Sox fan can never understand.
Whether I'm a road fan for the Seahawks or Red Sox
I have simple rules:
A) Only root for your team, never boo the home team, etc
B) No profanity
C) No alcohol
Even while following these rules, I annoy the fuck out of everyone :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
October 2004 was the most amazing, delirious sports experience of my life that didn’t involve the Seattle Seahawks. I think I understand how 95 M’s and 2005 Seahawks fans felt (particularly since I WAS AT THE F***KING NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME)…
Plus, I’m out there being rude and obnoxious for the Seahawks out here in the midwest, my man. :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I guess I'm glad I know the only well-mannered Red Sox fan...
And I’m happy for your 2004 (cough I hate you because I’m jealous cough) ;)
But seriously, respect goes a long way, and it seems like you have some. And it’s always cool to get a good rival atmosphere (this case, rival: Seattle is to Boston as France is to USA) in the stadium.
As for feelings, I think being a Red Sox fan is a little different. I understand 2004 was big because you finally broke through, but when you follow your team you can expect that they’re going to win a majority of the time they play, year in and year out. Something Mariner’s fans are not so fortunate to experience
I'll give you that
The Red Sox are consistently competitive (only 4 sub-.500 seasons since I became a fan almost a quarter-century ago)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
A stat I did not know, but had assumed.
And I did read your article on how you became a Seahawks fan. Minus the dad part, not much different than how you became a Red Sox fan, and you’ve stayed one of both throughout.
And I was also there at the 2005 NFC championchip game, I still get goosebumps thinking about it.
The NFC title game
was a religious experience… even better than my first trip to Fenway Park.
I’ve never heard any sports venue that loud.. ever.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
and if I was there this weekend
You’d hear me personally leading multiple “Let’s Go Red Sox” chants…
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd for exessive use of the term douchenozzle
That is definatly a term I am going to have to put into my vocabulary for the weekend. I really enjoy having fans of opposing teams at the stadium though. It makes victory all the sweeter and you can usually get some good banter going back and forth. Just like watching a game at home with your buddy who likes the other team. You know your going to argue, theres going to be highs and lows, and you just MIGHT have to give him the business. All in good fun.
i am a yankees
and a denver fan if i get rich i will bring a NBA team to seattle and speand lots of cash
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
I'm a Seattle fan for every sport that has a Seattle team
At least for the sports I actually watch: Seahawks, Mariners and Sounders. I’m also a UW alum, so Husky anything when it comes to college sports. But I’m also a huge hockey fan, and we don’t have a team, so I’m a Penguins fan (which is an interesting dichotomy, because I’ve always hated the Steelers, even before XL).
I’m a proponent of having 2nd and 3rd favorite teams, just to have a little variety and spread the love around. Unless they’re playing the Seahawks, I will always root for the Packers.
Johnny, I’m sure that if I ran into you at a Seahawks game, we’d have a great time screaming our guts out cheering for the ‘Hawks. But if I saw you wearing that Sox jersey at Safeco, you’d get a death stare, some heckling, and maybe a little “accidentally” spilled beer on your shoes. Such is the nature of fandom.
"Have a good time all the time" - Viv Savage, Spinal Tap
by HawksFanHernandez on Jul 22, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions
You know what's interesting?
Up until 2004, the main taunt I heard was “1918!”
Funny how they don’t say that anymore, huh? Now it’s usually some variant of “how long have you been a Red Sox fan?” My reply, in a lot of cases is “since before you were born, man.” OR they’ll go with “are you from Boston?” When I tell them I’m not, I usually add “I don’t believe in geographical determinism.” That usually leaves them flummoxed, or frustrates them into calling me a faggot.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
this is a great one
let’s say you’re a Red Sox fan at a stadium that struggles to reach sellouts. You’re at a game in all your Boston gear, along with 20,000+ of your closest BoSox pals. Someone starts heckling you, and or telling you to shut the fuck up.
You calmly but firmly point this out: “Look around. There might be 15k here if it weren’t for all these Red Sox fans. They bought tickets, and know they’re here buying beer, concessions, merchandise, etc. Red Sox Nation is SUBSIDIZING YOUR TEAM’S PAYROLL.”
That’s when they either
A) shut up
B) get violent
C) call me a faggot
Fun, huh?
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because you root for the Red Sox -- and have a lot of sex with men -- doesn't give those people the right to call you a f*ggot
You’re here and you’re queer, so they should get used to it! (insert annoying emoticon here)
by J.L. White on Jul 22, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Online gaming
Back when I used to play Halo 2 online, I had a killer strategy whenever a 13-year-old punk would call me gay, a fag, etc. I’d reply “how did you know??? I LOVE GUYS! Anal sex is the bomb!”
That’d usually shut em up, and in many cases get them to log off. :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions
So you admit to discussing anal sex on the internet with 13-year-olds
Take a seat; Chris Hanson has a few questions to ask you.
ha ha ha
touche, good sir!
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
What we're all trying to get at here, is that no matter who you root for
Don’t be a fuckwad at the game. Doesn’t matter, home team, away team, don’t question another person’s fandom, don’t make a belligerent little shit out of yourself, and don’t be a Raiders fan and stab someone in the stomach.
Good post.
I love this topic, I have been a Seahawks fan since I was a kid living in Seattle in 1983-85. My brother is a HUGE Raiders fan and my dad took me and both of my brothers to watch the Hawks and Raiders go at it. The Hawks won (then lost in the AFCC game to those same Raiders), but watching my brother blow up was enough for me to pick the Hawks as my football team and I have stuck to them like glue since that day (and even turned my cousin into a huge fan that same year).
As for my other favorite teams, I like the Bulls because when I moved to northeren California (mid 80s) the only sports station I could watch (with basketball) was TBS (Hawks) and WGN (Bulls), and my brothers loved the Lakers already so I started watching this guy named Jordan (and then Pippen and Grant) and was locked in on the Bulls since about 1985(ish).
As for baseball and hockey I like the A’s because I live near the Bay now and that was the first baseball team and game I ever saw in person (1987), oh and the Bash Brothers were huge at the time and guys like Dave Stewart and Dennis Eckersley where pretty fun to watch as well. The Sharks are the other team I like and once again it is because of where I live and once again they were the first hockey team I saw in person (at the Shark Tank) and just like the A’s and the Seahawks they drew me in because they are great teams to see in person.
Jubilation
After Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS:
At the 2005 NFC Championship:
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 6:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, most people were happy with the Red Sox winning in 2004.
Doing that to the hated Yankees was awesome. My problem is, I know several people who were fans of the Mariners, or some other team, who completely converted over to “Red Sox Nation” after 2004. That’s what bothers me the most. They gave up on their first team just to be a trendy douchebag. Those people are not real fans and only wear Red Sox gear because it peeves people.
Sadly...
That’s a side effect of winning… same thing will happen when the Seahawks win a roman numeral game…
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
How right you are.
I loved watching them come back against the Yankees, and when it comes to the Yankees, I’ll root for the Red Sox even if they win 10 world series’ in a row. The Red Sox have kind of turned into a Yankee-like team with the money spending, but that’s the MLB and it’s problem, not the teams. I don’t even hold that against Steinbrenner, that’s against MLB, and why I get bored with it.
Baseball was my first love starting in 1995 when I was 9, and ending in the 2000s, starting with A-Rod and continuing with the big vs small market stuff. That’s about when I started getting into football, when the economics of the leagues started to make sense to me. That and I first joined a football team in fall of 02.
I’d still be watching baseball if it had a salary cap, and I love to play softball, or watch the Mariners when they come on in the Bay Area. I was working the scoreboard and radar gun when Felix got to the Aqua Sox, he was 17 and I was 17. He has a 94 MPH fastball consistently, sometimes more, a curve that guys would just stare at, and every once in a while, a changeup that they’d swing through.
Even Felix isn’t enough to keep me following baseball consistently, bring in a Salary Cap, or some other alternative that makes the bottom teams a little closer to competitve, and I’ll be there.
Got off topic, but I was saying you were right. Red Sox against Yankees was amazing, but those who did convert I feel the same way about..
Yeah, the Red Sox might have a big payroll
But it’s still $44 million less than the Yankees (or almost the entire Oakland A’s payroll). In other words, the Red Sox may be “evil,” but they are still significantly less evil than the MFY.
Yankees = Wal-Mart
Red Sox = Target
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I was definitely pointing out that they will never be the same to me.
But neither one of them is the cause, but the product of the system. Two of the best products from the system.
For years I was a (somewhat) NY Giants fan
simply because they played in the first Monday Night Football game that I can remember watching, and my dad was rooting for them. It wasn’t until years later that I figured out that he wasn’t a Giants fan, but they were playing someone in the Seahawks’ division. But, I had already become a fan. (That has since faded to not caring one way or the other about them).
I was a 49ers fan growing up because Steve Young was my favorite player.
But I became an official Seahawks fan the day Mike Holmgren was hired. Yeah, I was a 49ers fan, but baseball was (and still is) the sport I lived for and football was something that got me through the offseason. So after Holmgren was hired and I had a reason to get excited for the local team, I jumped on board and have never looked back. I love the Seahawks and will never stray away.
Basketball is tough because I grew up through the Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Kendall Gill, Nate McMIllan, Sam Perkins, and Detlif Schrempf era. They were the first winning team I ever experienced and absolutely loved watching them play. However, basketball allegiance to Seattle might be forever dead after the Clay Bennett heist. It’s not so much Bennett that irks me, it’s David Stern and the other crony owners who had the power to stop Bennett from hijacking basketball in Seattle. I want to completely write off the NBA, but I have lived in Utah over the last 6 years and Deron Williams has been magnificent to witness. I am a full-fledged Jazz fan now and I don’t know what I would do if the Sonics were awarded franchise again.
So basically, I understand your plight of being a Red Sox fan in the Northwest. There are things that happen in life that draw you to a sport and team. It’s not something you always have control over and most of it can be blamed on the local teams not doing a good job at attracting local fans.
Before realignment into the NFC West
I was fond of the Niners, and would pull for them in the playoffs (particularly if they were playing those fuckers from Dallas). Classy organization, lots of great, admirable players.
Now though? I want to throw acid in every 49er’s face.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 22, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved how the 49ers murdered the Broncos in the Super Bowl
Even before I really, REALLY became a fan of the Seahawks I despised the Broncos, and for awhile I probably hated them more than I loved the Seahawks. I usually rooted for the Niners when they were playing the Cowboys….hey, it wasn’t like the Seahawks had any chance of postseason glory back then, amiright?
I would say that I picked up a lot of casual flirtations with other teams as a teen/pre-teen in the early-to-mid 90’s; it was just too hard to watch the the NFL playoffs and Super Bowls (which back then usually featured the same freaking teams over and over again) without developing some bonds. The Seahawks were always my favorite team and it never occurred to me to stop rooting for the Seahawks or have them completely supplanted as my favorite team. Considering I really connected with the team in the early 90’s I feel that now my bond with the team is iron-thick.
Hell, if you could survive the Tom Flores/Rick Mirer/Ken Behring years and still root for this team, you’re stuck with them FOR LIFE.
I started with the 49ers because I was born and raised in the Bay Area
And I miss living there.
But I became a Seahawks fan when I got older some time around 2003-04. I moved to Washington in 2005, which is the year we went to the Super Bowl.
I’ve never latched on to any NBA team so I can’t say I was a diehard Sonics or Warriors fan.
MLS I don’t root for the Sounders (I don’t hate them either). Toronto FC came first, I liked the new stadium and I liked the logo so I went with them and I’m still going strong into year 4 despite no playoffs and many many nightmares involving Ty Marshall, Jeff Cunningham, and Nick “Brian Russell but worse” Garcia.
The Dos Equis guy wishes he was Brock Lesnar.
Always been a Packer fan.
Since the late 80’s. But I root for the Hawks over the Packers when they play. Im just not as mad if they lose. I also wear my Favre jersey under my hawks jersey when I attend Green Bay-Seattle games. Ive been to the last 2, including the first snow game at quest on MNF. When Alexander ran for 200 yards. I also like the Padres a lot, big Tony Gwynn fan and was a huge Jordan fan when he was with the Bulls. I mostly tend to have a set of teams I hate in all sports, so I root for anyone to beat them. Yanks, Cowboys, Lakers, Angels, Broncos, and of course the Stealers.
by FisteeFisterer on Jul 22, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions
Mostly all Seattle teams. Root for the Red Wings in hockey though.
I have family from both my mom and my dad’s side who live/lived there and my dad was born in Michigan so I root for them instead of the Canucks or a CA team.
Blue Jackets fan here
…though a pretty casual one, I’ll admit. Never had an NHL affiliation before, so I adopted them when I was going to grad school at Ohio State. I’ve been to probably 12-15 games over the last decade… At least we have a nice arena and Rick Nash, right? :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I just have automatically rooted for the home teams.
But that’s because I was 9 in ‘95 and the M’s and Sonics were both at the top so it was easy to choose them anyways. Seahawks I just happened to finally start watching in ’05, not really knowing how they had been doing in previous seasons. I just turned on the Hawks-Cowboys Babineaux INT game and was hooked at that point on.
The sad thing is.
Even if we were to win 2 or Superbowls, I can’t see football fans outside of Seattle jump on our bandwagon. I guess it’s just being from here but it’s tough to believe millions of fans would switch their allegiance to a team from the NW cause it seems like people outside of here don’t give two sh*ts about anything from here.
I understand what you are saying
…but winning a Super Bowl truly would change everything about how the Seahawks are perceived by your average American sports fan (which is one of the million reasons XL still stings so badly)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if losing the Super Bowl gained us some fans.
I would guess that there are some people that don’t like the Steelers and saw the Hawks get screwed, so they now have a soft spot for us.
probably
but we would have gained far more had we actually won.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we would've gotten more fans
If the game was entertaining.
The Dos Equis guy wishes he was Brock Lesnar.
by SSreporters on Jul 23, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The funny thing about being a sports fan that I have never understood...
Why do we care so much when our team loses?
Why do we care so much when they win? They don’t send us a check at the end of the week. They don’t send us a ring at the end of the year.
It’s obviously a personal experience that is completely subjective and unique to each individual… so why do I care?
I wasn’t old enough to completely appreciate what 83-84 meant to the city but I understood that this was supposed to be my team. By the time I knew how much I loved being a Seahawks fan the team was terrible…but I enjoyed the fact that I didn’t root for my dad’s team, the easy to band-wagon 49ers of the 80’s and 90’s, and I enjoyed the personal satisfaction I took from having the conviction to make it through 1992 and the gems of the early nineties.
I didn’t bandwagon the Cowboys like my freshly minted re-Hawks fan brother or for some unimaginable reason bandwagon the Steelers, like my other, youngest, ill-conceived brother.
I had a team. It was terrible. But it was MY team. And no matter the record. Nobody could take that away from me. Well nobody not named Ken.
And I loved being a part of the atmosphere at a home game. I love the controlled chaos of 60,000 maniacs all screaming for the same frenzied reasons. I love the instant brotherhood with complete strangers… sure a couple of pints helps.
And then they got good. And I felt further satisfaction through my perceived convictions.
What I’ll never understand is the desire of a local with zero ties to a distant team, like Pittsburgh, Dallas, or BOSTON, attending and rooting for the enemy. Sure the team won once, or had great players, but aside from enjoying the current king of the hill, or the players that will inevitably retire… where’s the personal benefit?
I liked the 49ers players, but no matter how high Roger Craig kicked, he didn’t play for MY team.
Sure the villain is fun to play, but if you’re not all-in, and you go to Mariner games as a Mariner fan when they’re winning or not playin your “real” team… (I hate to say this to a fine contributor of content here)…
You aren’t a villain… you’re a douchebag bandwagoner.
But that’s not as bad an insult as it might sound.
I’m a douchebag too.
I’m just not a bandwagoner.
Like I said at the end of the post...
Maybe me growing up 3 hours away from Seattle was a factor in my openness to rooting for the Red Sox… If I had grown up in or near the city, maybe I would have been a Mariners fan… Who knows? The Seahawks were the only northwestern team that I really ever got into.
and I formed my attachment to the Boston Red Sox when I was 11. In 1986. I may have been a bandwagon fan then… but by that rationale I also was a bandwagoner when I adopted the Seahawks in ‘83 at age 8. That’s 51 combined years of fandom (27 for the Seahawks, 24 for the Red Sox)… So yeah- Not a bandwagoner now, even if I was back in the Reagan Administration.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I may have been harsh in my jest/satire, but our discussion furthers my point...
The warped personal attachment we have to a business that is essentially little more than a movie theater with better concession stands is unique to each individual as is that which each takes out of it.
I have somehow rooted my enjoyment in drawing a twisted distinction between the “true” local sports fan and the “bandwagoner,” and the only data I have to base my “findings” is that displayed by my own personal experiences.
You may stand beside my brother who has been a 17 year Steelers fan proclaiming yourselves “not bandwagoners” while I maintain you still haven’t figured it out.
Comically, I’m claiming that I’m better at watching the movie than you.
by trippsixxes on Jul 23, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If it's a movie
the audience at places like Qwest or Fenway can change the ending. :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
How can I be a turncoat
for a team whose coat I never wore in the first place?
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy... you aren't turning on Mariners Fans...
You’re turning on your community.
With the 7 BOS-SEA games at the Safe this year you’d find satisfaction in potentially 300,000 fellow Washingtonians’ misery.
All because when you were 11 you liked some of the players and that team won.
In my douchebag version of sports chivalry, at some point you would have realized that the only thing that tied you to the Red Sox was either childish… bandwagonish… or a twisted desire to see your community suffer.
Hey… You asked.
First of all
The 1986 Red Sox didn’t “win.” I think that’s pretty universally known, isn’t it?
And, it’s worth mentioning again, I’m not from Seattle. I freely admit that the story of my fandom might have been different had I grown up out there, but I didn’t, and there was very little, if any, emotional connection between the Tri-Cities and the Mariners when I was growing up.
Were we crazy about the Seahawks out in the wilds of Eastern Washington? Hells yeah.. maybe it’s just more of a football region than a baseball one.. I don’t know.
Other than that, I’d just be rehashing things I’ve already said/written… So Go Seahawks, Go Red Sox, and let fate decide the rest.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 25, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Universally known that they didn't "win?"
Its safe to say that had the Red Sox lost as many games as the M’s that year, you’d be a Roger Clemens fan and nothing more. And eventually deciding he wasn’t the guy you thought he was, you would have had only the cool uniforms to root for.
And if you mean to tell me that the Tri-Cities baseball fans are not predominantly tied to the M’s I imagine you’ve got some more Nebraska lakefront for me. I fly into Pasco all the time. I’m not buying.
You write the piece, invite discussion, and than position yourself like you have some intelligent/rational/adult reason to be a Sox fan and I’m arguing that you don’t.
Its simple. Neither one of us is right because being a sports fan is irrational to begin with. Someday maybe you’ll look back and decide that rooting against the success of the Mariners, for even as few as 7 games a year, is a direct shot at your neighbors and you were wrong. Someday maybe I look back and figure out that I should have stuck with the Bears because they had great colors.
Best I can do is… agree to disagree.
P.S. the true Red Sox fan is laughin his ass off at you. "We keep pickin oioff deez soioff bandwagonniz like dey’s cities goiot no hahts. We’ll takes em doh. Wheh’zee frahm? Tri-Cities? You mean dehr’s tree ofem? An deys still a Suox fan? Bette Frickin loovs Ben Affleck.
I've lived in Ireland my whole life
I only got into Football when I moved to Uni in Dublin with a guy that was a huge Bears fan. Without any regional connections to anywhere in the States, the birth of my Seahawks fandom comes from a rather embarrassing background, I liked running Shaun Alexander behind Walt and Hutch in Madden! Played the game and had my friend explain the rules for about two months, and by the time the season rolled around I had built up an affinity for the Hawks. The fact that it was a Superbowl year cerainly roused further interest, I lament the fact that the Superbowl run happened when I wasn’t so invested in the team as I am now. Beating Dallas the year after certainly meant a lot more to me than any of the 05 games. I went to Qwest for the first time last year, amazing experience. I guess what I’m driving at is you don’t need to live regionally to love a team. Staying up until 4am every Sunday to watch the Seahawks coombust last year surely lends that some credence?!
by ciarannh on Jul 23, 2010 3:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Born and raised a Seahawks fan
No other sport was big in my family so I went regionally with the Mariners and Sonics ..R.I.P.
I flirted with the Braves in the early 90’s but it soon died out due to my hatred of people with the name Chipper.
Nonsense, Poopy-Pants!
I'm the opposite
I have lived in Central NY my whole life and root for teams on the east coast except for the Seahawks. My brother who is 8 years older than me was a Steelers fan. I was thus a Steelers fan too, until my favorite player, Franco Harris became a Seahawk. I have remained loyal to the Seahawks ever since.
This thread is a fascinating little commentary on the complex dynamics of fanship, loyalty and contention.
I don’t really care what anyone else roots for, why, how, or for how long. I don’t really care what anyone else thinks of my rooting interests. Absolutely none of it requires justification, and certainly not justification within the bounds of some bizarre and extremely arbitrary rules that people seem to construct for this stuff. None of your rooting interests are accountable to me in the slightest. Vice versa goes without saying.
But all the same, it’s fascinating. Just about every possible perspective and angle on fanship has been explored here.
Question about booing a specific player.
I went to a game at Safeco quite a few years back and was chastised by the fans around me for booing Cal Ripken Jr. every time he came to the plate (I believe it was his final season). I wasn’t yelling anything nasty, just booing. People told me to have a little respect. I can’t stand Ripken and feel that as a loyal M’s fan and ticket buyer I had the right to boo the opposition no matter what their name is. Are there situations where a “beloved” opposing player should be off limits?
Another arbitrary rule that fans expect other fans to root according to.
It’s ridiculous. But I know where you’re coming from. On one hand, you should be able to root or boo as you please. On the other hand, it’s not like a constitutional right that you’re willing to put up with a bunch of crap and defiantly and fight for. You don’t want to start something over it. Right?
It shouldn’t matter. But to others it does. Knowing that, choose according to what is important to you. If it’s not important to you to be able to boo Ripkin publicly in peace, let it go. But don’t kill yourself trying to conform to fans’ rules of fanship, cuz you’ll never be satisfied.
At games, I cheer for my team, gripe about the refs, despair when the other team makes a play or beats us, and let opposing fans be opposing fans. I’ve never come across one being obnoxious enough for me to say or do anything. If I were an opposing fan, I would think it’s self-evident that obnoxiousness brings scorn. I’ve been planning a trip around an away game, but put it off each year for the cost, but I anticipate I’ll just wear my jersey, sit down, and cheer the Hawks on with modesty and tact.
by jacobstevens on Jul 23, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
to more simply answer your question
I boo the FUCK out of opposing players at Seahawks games, and did the same in my 2 trips to Fenway… where everyone else was doing the exact same thing…
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG... I know EXACTLY what you are talking about...
At the risk of offending a lot of you…
Safeco Field: Den of Douchebaggery!
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
No!
Boo the living shit out of any opposing player you want to torment!
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The bandwagon talk makes me nervous
I’m a bit of a bandwagoner myself. Started really watching football in 2005, at which point I had a soft spot for quite a few teams, including the Hawks, Jaguars, Texans and Saints. Ended up picking the Hawks, mostly because of Seattle, but their quality was surely a tipping point.
I don’t watch other American sports, well maybe a bit of MLS where the Sounders are my favorite if anyone is, but since I’m not a Seattle native or even American citizen you can imagine my allegiances in sport lie elsewhere. Most significantly with the Rotterdam football club Feyenoord.
For some reason, the expectation is that you should have the courtesy to stick around and be miserable with us when we're not good.
If the Mariners start making pennant races again, that makes baseball interesting and I’ll follow along. They’re not winning, so baseball is boring, so I’m not following. Should this bother anyone? Pity to them if it does.
The Storm is 19-2 right now and it’s a fantastic start for any team, any sport, so I’m loosely following WNBA right now. I like, root and follow other teams when there’s a good story. Good stories rarely surround bad teams.
by jacobstevens on Jul 23, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If you keep rooting for the Seahawks
and scream your head off if you come to Qwest, you’re ok in my book. :)
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 23, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still here ain't I?
Living 4870 miles from Seattle makes it hard to regularly attend QWest tho, especially since I’m just a poor student. I was in Seattle last Summer for voluntary work at a homeless shelter and finally got to go to QWest. It was impressive, even if sadly it was just a pre-season game (against the Broncos).
If anything impressed me, other than the building itself, it was the fans, both in the noise and in the friendly atmosphere, including towards Broncos fans. I’ve been to the Kuip, Feyenoord Stadium, many times, hell I’ve ever worked there, but in that stadium we need to fence off the visitors from the home team, and there are stewarts everywhere (and not for alcohol, which I did find a bit hilarious). The difference is enormous.
I don’t really get “bandwagoning” in this sport anyway. In a sport like football (soccer) in the Netherlands, you can bandwagon onto a team like PSV and Ajax and know they’ll be winning titles for the next few decades (especially PSV). What’s the point of bandwagoning onto an NFL team? You just going to keep hopping to whatever team wins?
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 24, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
enemy fans...
As a Duck fan, I feel abused that they give us such crappy seats at Husky Stadium (there is a vague rumor of a game from the West endzone), but am generally not harassed by the fans (except the 12 year old suggesting we learn to pump our own gas, which was hilarious). Perhaps having a Division II football team caused that, though it hasn’t stopped the U of Arizona fans from being asshats.
And to point out one other fact, neither Nick Reed, Max Unger, nor Walter Thrumond ever, ever lost to the Huskies. That fact doesn’t have anything to do with the post, but I’m having a bad day at work, and it always brings a smile to my face.
Congrats, M's fans
…on splitting the four-game set. Your team certain showed more fight and hustle than my boys did.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 25, 2010 6:49 PM PDT reply actions
Yeesh
certainly
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
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