Jeremy Bates Offense: Play-Action Tight End Screen
by John Morgan on Jul 28, 2010 10:47 AM PDT
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Formation: WR (left) TE (left) 2WR (right) -> 2TE (left) 2WR (right)
Projected Personnel
-Leftmost tight end: John Carlson
-Blocking tight end: Anthony McCoy
-Left tackle: Russell Okung
-Quarterback: Matt Hasselbeck
-Running back: Julius Jones
-Right slot: Golden Tate
-Right split end: T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Stages
1) Left wide receiver motions to outside-left tight end
2) Quarterback takes seven step drop, motions play action: Rusher breaks into pattern or picks up blitz.
3) Inner tight end and left tackle block: Left tackle then releases into lead block. At around this point, the outermost tight end and wide receiver break their patterns and initiate block. Right slot receiver runs safeties deep.
4) Inner tight end releases towards left flat: Quarterback targets tight end and the tight end runs behind the outer tight end and left tackle.
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With McCoy on the field, you could ostensibly run it with either TE, too.
Nice pickup, that was.
Bates seems to like putting two tight ends on one side
I love a TE screen, and it’d be perfect for the athletic McCoy. Not sure about Carlson’s blocking though.
He would be blocking a linebacker or defensive back
He can handle that. In-line blocking is where he struggles.
by John Morgan on Jul 28, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I've never seen a TE screen I liked.
It makes no sense to me and I’ve never seen them be particularly successful.
Whats to like about giving the ball in space to the slowest and least agile skill position player on the field?
If you can get someone open on a screen make it your running back or Tate.
Deception, mostly.
It’s a wrinkle rather than a stock play. Something to diversify the repertoire of a blocking tight end, and keep linebackers honest.
Could you get the same effects using Owen Schmitt?
He’s probably not any more athletic but at least he can run with the ball in his hands.
Imagine the play working, once. 7 yard gain, who knows. Twice even.
Now imagine the personnel and formation, maybe even down & distance, the same. Same quarter, even.
Now imagine the routes and assignments are all the same but the slot receiver splits the safeties with a skinny post. Like it now?
by jacobstevens on Jul 28, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Jacob you are turning me on.
I love it when you talk like this.
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Screens are usually single read plays.
It’s far more likely that the QB rockets the ball into the ground at the feet of the TE than tossing it downfield.
I'm not following the relevance of any of that.
But it might be because you misunderstood me from my not being clear. Since I went with rhetoric over substance.
But the substance is there. What I mean is, same personnel and formation, same routes/assignments. Defenders react as though it’s the same play, but it’s not. The TE is theoretically an option, but it’s a decoy, set up by the play being previously run, to give the slot WR more space for a chunk play.
by jacobstevens on Jul 28, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Same routes means a screen play.
A quarterback is not going deep on a screen play, it’s a single read and there will be lots of pressure. He’ll either toss it to the TE or eat it.
A screen is one play that can be run out of a particular package & formation.
Other plays can be run, as well. Thought I’d describe one to you to illustrate the value of this play.
by jacobstevens on Jul 28, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Because one of the routes is a screen, and if you take out the screen then the routes are different.
Maybe I am being the obtuse one.
I don’t see why this same personnel package couldn’t line up the same way, and all run their assignments the same way, except the QB & slot WR, where it’s again a single-read play.
I’m not talking a different read on the same play. I’m talking a different play in the playbook. Maybe the two are only differentiated by a different color, or a different number, or whatever the terminology is. But a different play.
by jacobstevens on Jul 28, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You keep saying everyone would keep the same assignments but I think you're overlooking the offensive line assignments on a screen.
This particular play, from the way John has diagramed it, doesn’t have a huge amount of blockers pulling out for the screen. Even so, the LT and a TE are going to at most chip any pass rushers on their side before allowing them to run themself out of the play. And by running themselves out of the play they’ll be bearing down on the QB. Which is why I said that screens are usually a single read play, the QB doesn’t have time to get the ball downfield.
A different play where the TE just runs a route out into the flat or whatever and the OL block like they would on a normal pass play would make that slot receiver route viable, but if eveyone except for the QB and slot receiver had the exact same assignments you’re not going to see the QB go deep.
You do have a legitimate gripe here.
Since I didn’t specify. But the tackle doesn’t have to release out. Still the same formation, personnel & assignments for the eligible receivers — that’s the part that’s germane to what a safety would be reading, which is basically the basis of my whole idea of John’s diagrammed play setting up a pass.
Also bear in mind it’s zone, not assignment blocking, so if McCoy’s chip & feigned blocking then releasing, which is a feigned screen, if he’s got a man in his zone that man is to be passed over.
I’m conscious and considerate of what you’re limited to when you pull a blocker for a screen. The slot WR can easily be 15 yards downfield, though. This doesn’t have to be deep deep. 15 yards, you read whether the safety bit on the TE screen or is in position. Enough time to read and get the throw off. If the safety bit, you throw it over them both and let the slot WR run under it.
by jacobstevens on Jul 28, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really, I know what you're getting at.
I don’t think you’re going to be taking advantage of an overagressive safety on this play, but like John said it’ll give the linebackers and safeties something to think about.
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