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Hate the Oklahoma City Thunder? Thank Mr. Allen that our team isn't the L.A. Blackhawks.

That still looks weird, doesn't it?

This weekend, we are celebrating our nation's Independence from foreign rule, but on the awful anniversary of the Supersonics' demise, we should also revel in the Twelve Army's independence from fear: The team has had a rough stretch, and that might continue, but the franchise itself isn't going anywhere. This fall Qwest Field will be packed, and the waves of noise will buffet our foes Sunday after Sunday after Sunday. We should all take a moment to remember the dark times when we lacked this security, and reflect on how close we came to meeting the awful fate suffered by thousands of Supersonics loyalists.

It's now been two years since the Sonics skipped town, and while I was never a fan of the Supes, every time I see highlights of Kevin Durant and the Thunder on SportsCenter I feel like punching something (preferably Clay Bennett). They may not have been my team, but the way the NBA treated Seattle and the Supersonics fanbase felt like a personal insult; in part, because the Twelve Army came SOOOO close to disbanding under similar circumstances back in 1996 (If you are old enough, you remember that fat bald interloper Behring actually moving Seahawks mini-camps to California that spring).

In fact, the near-move by the Seahawks down to L.A. in 1996 leads to the most regrettable part of this little story...

Star-divide

In 1996, The Seahawks were at the bottom of the sports pecking order in the Seattle area, and I took that more personally than I should have. I was surrounded by folks decked out in Sonics and Mariners finery, and more than once I was asked directly by them "Why are you a SEAHAWKS fan?" Usually, when they asked this question, it was accompanied by a facial expression like I had just farted in the elevator.

So with the future of my most beloved team in mortal peril, and with my contrarian nature cranked up to 11, I openly rooted for the Bulls in the 1996 NBA Finals. Michael Jordan was my favorite player, but that was secondary to my twisted desire to see the Sonics bandwagon tumble into the gully.

I was going to college at Western, and at the end of my junior year I was still living in the Fairhaven dorms, which held huge viewing parties for those Finals. While everyone else showed up to watch the Sonics battle the Bulls dressed in Kemp, Payton, or Detlef jerseys, there I was in my MJ jersey. I relished playing the villain, and was a total dickbasket about it to boot. I even taunted a female friend's MOM about those finals.

That didn't do anything about my larger problem, though: The Seahawks 1996 season in Seattle could easily be their last. Microsoft billionaire Paul Allen was interested in buying the team, but only on the condition that a new stadium be built for the Seahawks. How bad did things get? I actually started game-planning who my new NFL team would be, because I wasn't going to stick with the franchise in the event they abandoned us for Southern California. The finalists were:

-Buffalo
-New England
-Green Bay
-Pittsburgh

I eventually settled on New England, because I loved Drew Bledsoe and I was already a Red Sox fan. Thankfully it never came to that.

Back then I hosted a weekly political talk show on KUGS-FM called "The Democratic Circus." In the weeks leading up to the special election about building that new football stadium, I was shameless in my support of the measure. Every week I'd exhort my meager lot of listeners to go out and vote yes on Referendum 48. It didn't seem like a very popular position. Remember that in the spring of 1997 the PNW was enjoying the afterglow of the M's 1995 playoff run, and was also still gripped in Supersonics fever... Remember this?

So I felt kinda isolated with my Joey Galloway jersey and my love for a team that hadn't even posted a winning record since 1990. I was terrified that R48 would fail, Paul Allen would bolt, and the team would quickly become the L.A. Blackhawks or something. R48 passed statewide by 51.1% to 48.9%, or by just a hair under 37,000 votes. That was far less than the throngs who packed the Kingdome for M's games back then. I like to think I played a LITTLE part in R48's victory... In Whatcom County (Bellingham), R48 passed by 433 votes. Sure, only about 100 people listened to my show on a GOOD night, but I like to think that a good chunk of that 433 vote margin were folks swayed by my cogent, heartfelt arguments (no matter how improbable that actually is).

We all know that the Sonics fans weren't as fortunate... If you've got two hours to kill, I HIGHLY recommend the documentary film Sonicsgate... in fact, here it is: 


I sincerely hope that the NBA comes back to Seattle, and with the history and uniforms of the Sonics. I know that they'd have to share the sports-watching dollar with yet another team now, but I think that the still-growing metro area can support the Seahawks, Mariners, Sounders AND Sonics.

What do you think are the chances of the NBA returning to Seattle? Would you go to the games? What are your memories of the Seahawks near-move back in the mid-90s?

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I would like to see the NHL come to Seattle before the NBA.

The NBA can go screw itself until David Stern is replaced as commissioner and Kevin Durant bolts OKC.

by Wilder. on Jul 3, 2010 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I despise the NBA, and wish every franchise nothing but ill will

Many teams have moved towns before, but the way Stern came to Seattle and made sure to point out how awful we were as fans and how ungrateful we were to have an NBA team….some things cannot be forgiven. We rejected Bennett’s blackmail — the stadium plan literally was a $500 million bribe to keep the team in Seattle — and considering the economic climate it was the right thing to do, but the earth has been salted.

Even if the Sonics came back to life, it would take a since act of contrition (at the very least) from the NBA to right that wrong. Good riddance.

by J.L. White on Jul 3, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would love to see the Sonics return.

But obviously there needs to be a new venue built. And that’s going to take a very rich man with a vision. But if a new venue can get done I don’t see why the NBA wouldn’t return, Seattle is a good basketball market.
 
And if a new venue got done I’d think the NHL would want in too; Seatle has to be a better hockey market than Miami,Tampa,Atlanta,Nashville,Carolina, Phoenix. If the northwest can support the Silvertips,Americans,Chiefs,Thunderbirds and Winter Hawks the northwest can support and NHL team. It also would have a built in rivalry down the I5 and really help the NHL with divisional balance.

NBA, NHL – as long as it isn’t expansion. It would feel no remorse for stealing another city’s team – the NBA has stolen two teams from the Northwest in the last 10 years.

by puerto on Jul 3, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I grew up watching the WHL

Go Ams! Wooo! :)

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 3, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

NHL

I think a massive restructuring is coming for the NHL… I can’t see all those Sun Belt teams staying down there much longer, and aside from Canadian cities, Seattle (and Portland) are logical landing spots for franchises fleeing north…

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 3, 2010 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

The only problem is I have barely seen a micron of interest in hockey in the Seattle area

But if the NHL were to come to town I’m sure there would be more than enough people to at least take an interest.

I think it would be exponentially awesome if such a hockey team was christened the Seattle Supersonics: green and gold jerseys, silhouette of the skyline for the logo, the whole 9 yards. Even if another NBA team came to town that franchise wouldn’t REALLY be the Sonics, anyway; naming an NHL team after them would instantly spike interest within the region, and be a slap to the faces of Stern & Co to boot.

by J.L. White on Jul 3, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know, that had never occurred to me

but for an NHL franchise to come in and take the colors and logo would be absolutely brilliant; Seattle would sell out the arena the first three years out of pure spite.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 4, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just wonder

if that is legally doable… according to the sonicsgate flick, Clay Bennett still controls the Sonics name, uniforms, etc.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 5, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Olympics?

I’m currently out in Western NY, where Sabres fans are starting to look at Bills fans like the M’s and Soups fans looked at Mr. Peel in 96. However, a number of my friends from outside the area took much more of an interest in hockey with this past Olympics. The international stage and a couple of excellent games between the US and Canada had everyone abuzz, even those from outside the area who’d never had an iota of interest in hockey. Did you guys see that in Seattle at all? I would have thought that with the proximity to Vancouver that some would spill over.

I’d be opposed to a new NBA franchise stepping in and pretending to be the Sonics. Never mind all the corruption and ill treatment from the current commish, it’d leave me feeling like a Browns fan. Ugh. That’s a dirt that can’t be cleaned off :-P.

by SeahawksFanInNY on Jul 5, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

It couldn't have helped the NHL cause

when so much of the olympic hockey was show on tape delay in the Seattle area.. stupid NBC.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 5, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Present or future Sonics basketball is dead to me.

Fortunately, after 30+ years of rooting for the Sonics, there is a team the plays just 10 minutes or so away from where I now live. Paul Allen owning the Seahawks helps. I support the Portland Trailblazers henceforth. I will not again support Seattle NBA basketball. Fuck ’em. (!)

I enjoyed the trivia of R48. I had no idea DKSB saved the Seahawks! ;) Cool. Very cool. Another thing to be grateful for.

Punching Behring or Bennett would be fun. Now, if only Durant could sign with Portland. He’s my favorite NBA player, regardless.

Red Bryant: surprise us!

by Misfit74 on Jul 3, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

More R48 trivia

My home county (Benton) in Eastern Washington (Tri-Cities area) was the only county east of the cascades where R48 got a majority of the vote

The Tri LOVES the Seahawks :)

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 3, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Spokanites already hate Seattle

for soaking up all the money from Olympia that’s why it didn’t fly over here.

Nonsense, Poopy-Pants!

by Lo Pann on Jul 4, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spokane v. Tri-Cities

I really don’t have a good explanation for why the Tri-Cities area was more supportive of the stadium referendum than Spokane… It’s not like the Spokane area has a lower proportion of Seahawks fans (I assume)… I do know that growing up in Richland the Seahawks were THE team.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 5, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still hurts just as much as it did two years ago.

I have to admit, at the time, I thought I’d still watch the NBA, but not having a team to root for, I didn’t watch the NBA during the regular season at all until the playoffs came around.

Losing the Sonics has made me lose interest in the NBA greatly.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Jul 3, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I liked this post

I too remember the Behring years, I hated that little bald asshole. I’ve never been a big fan of professional basketball but I always thought losing the Sonics was bad for the city.

by d.alexander on Jul 3, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

It really is scary

to think about how close we came to losing the team. The NFL would not have thought twice about allowing the Seahawks to move to L.A., particularly right after both the Raiders and Rams skipped town… and that would have been the end for pro football in the PNW.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 5, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fairhaven.

Was Fairhaven as hippie then as it is now? I lived in BT for the year of Western I could tolerate. Losing the Sonics sucked, and NBA is lowest on my totem pole. Can’t imagine losing the M’s or Hawks.

by THolt on Jul 3, 2010 5:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Sooooo hippie (at least it was 13 years ago)

But I loved it anyway… most of my best friendships started in the dorms there.. I just had to get used to the stink of patchouli oil and tune out the late-night drum circles :)

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 3, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dated a girl who lived in BT

back in 98-99… I was 24, she was 19… I ended up over there every Thursday night watching Felicity rather than going to 80s night at the 3B… Laaaame.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 5, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the Seahawks, Mariners and I loved the Sonics

I have not watched an NBA game since the Sonics left.

by Coug1990 on Jul 3, 2010 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm with you.

Haven’t watched an NBA game since they left. I don’t care for the NBA at all anymore. I’d rather watch the WHL, Arena football or soccer, ok I’d rather take a nap than watch soccer.

by PascoJoe on Jul 3, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

for Blazer fans this raises the ugly question

what will happen if Paul passes and his evil witch sister and the rest of the Vulcan toadies inherit the Blazers? and the Seahawks?

by southern oregon on Jul 3, 2010 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I was playing in a baseball tournament....

But my dad and little sister went down to Kent to stand in front of the moving trucks the day they actually tried to take the team away.

by skwid206 on Jul 3, 2010 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

A couple of things after watching Sonicsgate

-Ballmer would be an AWESOME batshit crazy owner, wouldn’t he? He’d have a shot at out-crazying Cuban.

-I either didn’t know or forgot that Allen voted against the Sonics’ relocation (only PA and Cuban voted no). Our Dear Leader is no dummy, huh?

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 3, 2010 9:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd love to see the Pro Hockey

come back to Seattle. The Seattle Metropolitans were the first American team to win the Stanley Cup (all the way back in 1917).

by Bildo on Jul 4, 2010 2:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope it returns to Seattle, the the Sonics team and colors are revived

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Jul 4, 2010 8:27 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Why hate Bennett? Schultz sold the team to a okie, and made a 100 million dollar profit. Seattle had a tax to pay for Safeco and Quest, but wouldn’t extend the tax for the supes. Of course, that fat flat-toped bastard lied to the city, but he wouldn’t of had the chance without daddy starbucks

Emerald City Funk Machine

by blackvanilla on Jul 4, 2010 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Totally disagree.

It’s all on Schultz in my book. First: do no harm.

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Jul 5, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get mad just looking at a Starbucks.

Oh ya, the bitch from OKC would never move the team. Ya right.

Emerald City Funk Machine

by blackvanilla on Jul 6, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

My fanaticism for the Sonics was as big as anybody I knew...

I literally teared up when Mutombo was writhing on MY floor.

That being said, any league that would vote nearly unanimously to rip a team away from this city for the grave injustice of financing a complete remodel of a virtually-basketball-only arena only 10 years earlier providing the best sight-lines of any arena I’d ever been to…

…better bring something serious to the table before I even consider turning that broken “sport” back on.

I’m not voting for any public money to finance that shining example of a business model.

And don’t let me get started on David Stern, or the impartiality with which the games are officiated.

I’m happy with the Hawks and Dawgs.

by trippsixxes on Jul 4, 2010 4:45 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

This.

Rec’d for fuckin right, brother. Btw, you get any grief from the fundies for that nickname?

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Jul 5, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

But as much as I’d love to claim its a fundamentalist fishing lure… its really just an internet poker handle that stuck. Pullin trips with sixes was good enough to put plenty on tilt when they didn’t believe me. And I can’t stand having to deal with 6 different usernames, passwords, passphrases, passcodes, etc…

I’d take a morality test against Schultz/Stern/Bennett any day of the week though.

by trippsixxes on Jul 5, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never believed a word Bennett said...

but I believed Schultz, Mr. “Public Trust”. Stupid me. I do not darken the doorway of any Starbucks, anywhere.

by Hawkdawg on Jul 4, 2010 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Too bitter now

Last year, I would have supported it. As time goes, I’m finding the league reminds me of the first time getting drunk and sick as a wee lad. Now the mere mention of the NBA brings a slight bile taste.

I think it has to do with just how callously heartless the city’s fans were treated. Getting another team would be like a woman hooking up with yet another wife beater because somehow they can’t love anyone else.

I’m breaking that cycle with my kids. They don’t even know basketball exists.

by Attylathehawk on Jul 5, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Fuck the NBA.

Sorry for my language. But they stole my Grizzlies, after hampering them with this notion that expansion teams shouldn’t get the highest picks. What a joke.

by djafrot on Jul 5, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Presidents Rock

Thumbs up for the video!

by vj on Jul 5, 2010 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah, PUSA

I saw them wayyyy back at the beginning playing the Viking Union at Western with like 100 other people… later, they made one of the best music videos ever… :)

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 5, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I was at that show!

Blackhappy played too, right?

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Jul 5, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, my GF bought a couple of peaches the other day...

…and I’ve been singing that damn song in my head ever since. Hated it at the time it came out.

by djafrot on Jul 7, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure about Blackhappy

but yeah… Viking Union + PUSA + about 100 kids.. that’s what I recall

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Jul 6, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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