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Community Scout: July 31st, 2010
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Last year, I wrote up a summary of what I observed, it was as detailed as I dared and I had a lot of enthusiasm for it as it was the first time I had watched the Seahawks practice. Of course, I had expected that plenty of people here would write about their experiences, and for whatever reason it was not done very often.
Well, I am hoping that this year is different, and I'll kick it off with more of the same, and hopefully it will cause more of you to write about practices this year. I still live in Northern California, am still in the Air Force, and I will head back out of town Monday night after taking my wife and two daughters to see Monday's practice
When I arrived in The Landing this morning, I had trouble finding my way around. The registration area for the Seahawks has moved to the area where the Regal Theater is. I went to where it was last year, and a lone security person was there to direct those idiots who are like me, relying on memory, to go to the new location. After being sent the right direction, registration was not too bad, and the walk to the bus was much shorter as well. All in all, the location improved.
After arriving at the VMAC, I looked over the tents, where most of the free stuff was kids-only, and had a little cheerleader poster signed by two of our Seahawks cheerleaders, then focused on football.
Drills
Individual drills were not too revealing. Watching linebackers hit other linebackers who are holding pads does not really reveal much about how the linebackers are doing, the offensive drills were on the far field so I cannot even tell you about who's hands were looking the best. One thing I did really enjoy was watching a drill where the linebackers were being taught to respond to an offensive shift. The coaches false-started a couple times and were getting heated, but then it smoothed out and it was interesting to watch the linebackers go from a traditional 4-3 to an over or under, after the fullback would shift to a tight end, or a tight end would switch sides.
Carroll ran a drill with the back 7 players (secondary and linebackers) where coaches made up two receivers, but all defenders were following his eyes, and would run to the ball. The interception rate was over 60%, and the defenders got their hands on more than that, but dropped some that were right at them. Chance made a very fluid "deep ball" interception (probably only a 35 yard pass) and Curry made a nice leaping grab, but the drill was purposely easy, and obviously focused on having zone defenders with eyes on the quarterback.
7 vs 7
The offense and defense came together, and the first real interesting plays began. This is still a drill that favors the offense, and of the three QBs I thought Hasselbeck looked the most in command and finding the most open man. Over and over, he'd complete a pass over linebackers and under safety or corner coverage, especially to Carlson, but really to anyone who broke free. Whitehurst had a very impressive pass to Housh, just in between the intermediate and deep zones, timed just as he broke inside. If the ball was bobbled, it seemed as though 5 defenders would have had a chance at the ball. In general, he did not look like he could find the medium chunks of yardage that Hasselbeck was finding, at least not consistently, but it's tough to really judge whether he had the same wide open players or not. I did not get much else out of it, most passes were caught, Thurmond looked fluid and fast enough, but not super explosive like I would imagine him to be at full strength. I expected him to at least look like he was slow, and he did not. I did watch him get shoved to the turf by #19, who then made a quick catch, otherwise Thurmond looked good, including a couple of very impressive pass breakups coming back to a receiver's outside shoulder.
11 vs 11
This is when it started to get fun. When the HB was being swarmed by the OL and defense, coaches for the O and coaches for the D would run at the pile yelling at their players to push, egging them on. Our ball carriers, primarily the HBs, are being told to run to the end zone. The defense did not hold back on their initial hits, but wouldn't fight a ball-carrier to the ground. One WR screen resulted in Obomanu being leveled immediately, although he took a couple others at least 10 yards. Carlson got a hand on one ball, started to juggle it and Milloy came up and gave him a pop, easily separating him from the ball. Rankin got loose down the right sideline for a good 25-30 yards, at the end of which he was sent flying to the turf. The physicality was surprising, but fun, and nothing was getting out of hand.
Washington did not take part in 7 on 7, or 11 on 11, and I never saw him catching balls for punt returning at the end of the practice. Seahawks.com has him as 33, a number I never saw playing, but if he did HB individual drills, it was on the far field and I would have missed it. Forsett was far and away better than Ganther, JJ, or Rankin. As much as the ZBS in theory is perfect for him, in practice it seems equally as perfect. JJ certainly broke a couple, Rankin's speed looked good, and Ganther looked ordinary, but thicker than the other backs. It is tough to gauge when a defender puts two hands on a back and then lets him go, so I couldn't tell you if 20% or 80% of the yards after contact were legit, I'd bet close to 20%, but Forsett was either not touched or barely touched for the first 3-6 yards of nearly every run. His initial quickness, and his ability to change direction without slowing down is what separates him from JJ, Ganther, and Rankin, and those initial yards were there for him almost every time, even with blocks breaking down at times. At full speed I could not separate good blocks and bad blocks from good and bad front 7 play, especially from the angle I was at, but the difference between Forsett and the others was distinct, and it just feels inevitable that Forsett gets the most carries, at least until Washington's skills are seen in the system.
In the passing game, I could not see everything. If I watched the QB, pass blocking, and the QB's response to pressure, I could not watch the routes develop and see which WR was beating which corner with what move. Likewise, if I was watching the development in the secondary, I sometimes missed runs, and always missed what a QB did with pressure and his eyes. So on passes I just watched the pocket long enough to see the 3 or 5 step drop, or playaction, then moved onto the secondary.
Mike Williams
If it was based on this day, Mike Williams will make the team and start. He did not play with the first unit often, rather he was on the second unit. But he made catch after catch, away from his body, low and behind him, coming back to the ball at the highest point, on a post and outrunning Roy Lewis, it did not matter. He looked like the real deal, just like we all hope.
If he looked great, Golden Tate looked just about as great. He certainly got his hands on the ball, and made some great plays with the ball in the air. As much as Branch does not seem to fight the coverage for the ball, Tate does, like he's going for a rebound. The kind of plays you expect a tall possession receiver to make, or a power forward type of TE like Antonio Gates, you see #81 up there making. It's like seeing Rajon Rondo up around the rim, coming down with the rebound, you ask why he's even there, but time after time he's the one coming down with the ball. Tate made one really great one on the sideline, coming back to the ball and leaping over tight coverage to make a catch before tumbling to the ground.
Besides the Milloy-induced drop, he was sure handed. Pretty much the only moderately deep balls being completed were to Carlson or Williams. Interesting, since they are the two players that might have the largest catch radius. Back when Joe Jurevicious was a Seahawk, Hasselbeck seemed to have no problem getting him the ball down the field, while Branch is infinitely more athletic and Hasselbeck missed him on every deep pass he tries to make. I think there is something to be said for having a big target to hit down-field, and I am excited for a Mike Williams and John Carlson offense for Hasselbeck. John Carlson caught pass after pass, he caught more passes in 7 vs 7 and 11 vs 11 than any single WR, and it was not close. There really is nothing more to be said, he was split out wide, he played from TE, he occasionally lined up at FB, but if he was running a route, he was an option that was rarely neglected.
Other WRs
I did not see enough of the receivers to really make any judgement calls. Branch does not fight defenders to go up for the ball, he still is really quick laterally, he caught one ball that a defender knocked up in the air and that fell straight into his hands, and some others in the middle. If he was split out wide and targeted deep, the passes were usually poor. I have never seen Hasselbeck hit Branch in stride going deep, it's always quite short or overthrown, and Branch has not adjusted well to the short deep ball that I've ever seen, including today. Butler juked Josh Wilson and ran a quick out that Wilson was unhappy about in WR vs CB, other than that I did not see him with the ball too often. Never saw a good pass to Stanbeck, including an overthrown deep ball, but he is still fast, quick, explosive. A ridiculous athlete, but I never saw anything resembling a wildcat. I'm guessing that this year we will not, with the entire offense being new, but it's possible that if Stanbeck sticks we'd see some this year with him and/or Tate. Housh looked good when he was being thrown to, good hands, good routes. That's what you get with him.
Other observations
Trufant completely dominated Branch on an out, perfect position, knocked the ball out. I didn't see him running deep or being particularly challenged, but when I saw him he looked fine. No idea if he's special Tru or ordinary Tru, not really enough to tell. The Vickerson injury I brought up earlier was on the second to last play of the first practice. Looked like his left knee, and he never went to the ground. He started to walk it off, stood for a few seconds, then practice ended and he went into the huddle. Watched him limp a little afterward, and watched him practice in the second practice, so nothing major apparently. I like Milloy when he is in the box. He's a fun combination of intelligence and bad-ass, a hitter that knows how to be where the ball is. Out of the box, I didn't really notice him, or the other safeties. A tough position to watch already, but in a practice without Earl Thomas I really didn't watch the safeties too much. Mare hit all of his FGs, but Pete stopped him after a 38 yarder was his longest, not really challenged today.
Second Practice
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The second practice had some cool moments, and some awkward ones. The LB drill under the trampoline to get them in a low stance and explode from it was interesting, and the quarterbacks threw a yoga ball at each other to simulate a pass rusher and work on mobility. But after that the entire team was taken to the far field, too far away to see much other than Williams and Carlson eating up chunks of yardage. Got bored, looked for John Morgan, asked two skinny blond dudes if their name was John, got tired of getting awkward "no" responses to my awkward questioning. Met Stanbeck's girlfriend, talked about him making the team on special teams with Morey retiring, his time at UW, how tough it might be to make this team as a wide receiver. It was almost a waste of time going to that practice, but once again Lofa Tatupu autographed until there was no one left. PC came out for a very quick autograph session, mostly kids, Leroy Hill stuck around almost as long as Lofa, and Stanbeck did a few. Further down, I think some offensive linemen were giving some out, but I never got down that far until they were long gone. Lofa's autograph is on my new Seahawks hat, which looks awesome. Up close he doesn't look too barrel chested, at least after the two practices were over. He still has big arms, and is still the nicest guy out there, but he doesn't look like he's bulging or too thick and not short armed beyond what he already is. Carroll asked fan opinions on who was great out there while he did his autographs, Golden, then Mike Williams was brought up, and when BMW was brought up Carroll agreed quickly with that. He said something like "Mike Williams, wow, what a day for him" and the topic dissipated.
All in all, it was a good time, and an opportunity to see the Seahawks up close.
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Thanks, man, this is great.
Beyond excited for this WR crew.
Cheers for this.
I haven’t got the chance to go to camp, so articles like this are really appreciated, thanks.
I'm trying to not get too excited about our off.
But between a credible line, Force and the additions at WR, we might be decent on O.
It depends so much on the health of the OL, and the health of Hasselbeck.
But a healthy OL is almost guaranteed to be an improvement over last year, and Forsett still had very good production last season. The offense really has no where to go but up, but it sure seems like we’ll be a lot closer to league average on offense at the very least.
The more I think about it, Hasselbeck is not the key to improvment
Obviously, the better Matt does the better the Off will be. But lets think about the rest of the offense independent of the QB. Lets just assume that whoever is at QB will not hurt us or significantly help us, your average QB. The running game will be better based on the line, no matter who is at QB. I think the passing game could improve also just based on multiple WRs who can get open and fight for the ball. Add in a gameplan that isn’t junior high level predictable and I think as long as we don’t have a QB who hurts us, we could have a noticeable improvement over last year.
That is assuming we have a QB that is "league average" if that's the level you are saying.
Losman in the past has taken unnecessary sacks, and not read coverage particularly well. Our best guesses about Whitehurst say the same, as those were his issues in college. Assuming one of the two is playing for us this year, if they do not see past the first or second option, especially due to being hit during the games too often, a QB can sink the offense regardless of how much closer to league average our offensive line is. No one single player can torpedo an offense faster.
Now, if the Bates system is easy enough on the QB position, then maybe one of those two will improve and get comfortable enough to make plays. But the player who has the most proven field vision at some point in his career is still Hasselbeck.
I completely agree
My point is that last years team sucked no matter who was at the helm. Combo of WRs and line play made it impossible to be very successful with the ball. The apparent improvement that I am most excited about is the fact that we have a chance to be successful. I realize that we need Matt to be a lot closer to Matt of a couple of years ago, or Whitehurst to develop into more than he has been up until this point. But…
If we can get league average QB play we could be good. Thats saying something compared to last year.
Alright then we do agree.
And for the record, I expect a much better offense this year, a passing offense that is not near the bottom of the league, and a running offense that is in the top half. But some of the key players on the OL and at WR, Tate and Okung, newcomers in Hamilton, Pitts perhaps, and Mike Williams will probably struggle with consistency, even if they are matched to the system well. And the new systems will take some time for the team to master. I expect this season to be fun, but the potential will be above the actual product.
It will be interesting to see how we measure up in the division
I would say AR and SF have similar question marks and similar potential as we do. The media gives them the benefit of the doubt, but we could end up being the best offense in the division.
good points, stufr
I agree that any QB would have looked like crap behind the O line and uncoordinated offense that Matt was playing behind last year. Last year, I don’t think even our own O linemen knew whether they were a zone blocking or man blocking unit. Add cracked/sore ribs to a bad line and its no wonder Hass had no confidence or zip on the ball.
I’d say we have a QB who may be below league-average body-wise after the pounding he’s taken, but he has an above-average head on his shoulders and outstanding leadership of the team. IF he has an O line in front of him that looks coached-up for a change, I think he will surprise a lot of people.
Cashless – quality report. Thanks!
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
Good read, man, thanks
I’m more skeptical about BMW than most, but hearing this kind of stuff at least piques my curiosity. In the off-season even DHB looks good, but if he’s carrying it through to training camp that’s something. Hope he’s got something to show in pre-season.
completely jealous by the way
I don’t live in the area any more. I would love to be watching practice and contributing.
Awesome read!
I just eat this stuff up – anything with detail or that paints a picture really gets me stoked for the season. Forsett and Carlson should be more exciting than ever.
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