Carroll's Camp for Wayward NFL Talent Adds Kentwan Balmer
Kentwan Balmer is two months older than Cam Thomas. He is a month and half younger than Art Jones. Jones and Thomas were selected in the 2010 NFL draft. Balmer joins the inaugural 2010 Seahawks shadow class. He is the latest reclamation project for Pete Carroll. Carroll is not making a habit of providing amnesty for draft busts; Carroll is making a management philosophy out of providing amnesty for draft busts.
The 2010 Seahawks Shadow Class
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First Round: Mike Williams (Selected 10th overall by the Detroit Lions)
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First Round: Kentwan Balmer (Selected 29th overall by the San Francisco 49ers)
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Second Round: Matt McCoy (Selected 63rd overall by the Philadelphia Eagles)
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Third Round: Quinn Pitcock (Selected 98th overall by the Indianapolis Colts)
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Fourth Round: Leon Washington (Selected 117 overall by the New York Jets)
Every team cycles through a few former busts. Some of what constitutes NFL talent is innate: never able to be gained through even the hardest work and never able to be lost but through age or injury. The same characteristics that made a player attractive as a prospect can linger even after the prospect has failed. So I wouldn't confuse a little roster churn for a radical approach to building a team.
What makes Carroll's approach different, and it is very different, is the caliber of talent Seattle has attracted and specifically the reason that talent is available.
Balmer was AWOL from Coach Singletary's Death Camp.
McCoy was cut after a personal foul penalty and then bounced around the league.
Pitcock retired because of depression.
Washington was embroiled in an intractable contract dispute.
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Balmer was not a Tim Ruskell pick. He wasn't polished, hard working and he didn't fit the scheme. He was a bag of tools that might turn into something special and might bust. Bad. He has busted for the 49ers. Balmer was a minor rotational player his first two seasons. He is now a Seahawk.
His tools are quality, but not sensational. Balmer's slotting as a first round pick always confused me. If he were a tight end, he might be Anthony McCoy: young, talented, quality tools but not a ton of production and some serious character concerns. Neither Balmer nor McCoy are bad people, but sometimes a bad person can be a good prospect. And a good person just doesn't have it in them to kill kill kill. The NFL is paranormal world where a personality like Lawrence Taylor fits a certain kind of ideal.
Balmer is approaching 24. If he sticks, he gives Seattle a legitimate rotational mate for Brandon Mebane. He isn't a disruptive type, per se, and he isn't a plugger, per se, but he is big, powerful and relatively quick and agile lineman that can push piles and improve the performance of his teammates. He gives Seattle something they need, further solidifies the three man defensive line Seattle seems committed to building around, and has a lot of untapped potential. Much more than you are likely to find in a sixth round pick. Much, much more.
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Seattle has reportedly traded a sixth round pick for Balmer. A sixth round pick is not worth very much. A player selected in the sixth round in an average draft averages about a third of the value of a player selected in the third round. So far from worthless, but sixth round picks are a wager and a wager with little sure return. Another way to look at it is, a player selected in the sixth round averages less than a full season starting over their career. I think a reasonable argument can be made that a sixth round pick has little more value than a non-drafted free agent -- especially for a mecca like Camp Carroll.
Balmer does not have to be great to fulfill his price. He is young enough that his potential is still limitless. I do not think he is a first-round prospect, judging by talent, tools, skills and desire, but he is very good talent and a far and away better talent than one can realistically expect from the sixth round. This is a good move. Carroll adds another reclamation project, and more than Carroll's charisma, his less grueling practices, his openness to new things and his eye for coaching talent, his welcome for wayward talent and how it has transformed the team's roster, has made me excited for this season and the future of the Seahawks. Talent wins and Carroll has found a novel market inefficiency he is specially able to exploit.
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The 6th rounder facts posted...
Make this deal look even better than originally thought.
Definitely a good chance to take on a guy and see if we can turn him around.
I don’t post alot, but I am a frequent reader.
Great site, keep it up.
GO HAWKS!
Nice write up.
Do you think the addition of Balmer puts Terrill on the roster bubble? If Balmer sticks, what impact will he have on the number of snaps Cole sees?
I think it does.
I see more of a direct competition between Cole and Vickerson. I think Balmer is competing for snaps at under tackle or right defensive end.
This trade helps shore up a lot of the concerns you expressed in the defensive line roster post, doesn't it?
"May be"?
Seems to me he clearly is, hands down. His upside’s high enough to be more than worth the shot, though — especially since he’s the first guy on the roster who looks like he could plausibly back up Bane, and that’s a big-time need.
by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 16, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say BMW is if he amounts to anything.
by jacobstevens on Aug 17, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not as big a challenge
On my read, not even close.
by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 18, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Vickerson was awesome on saturday.
Let’s just hope he can stay healthy.
There is more blue sky in the article than
possibly any I’ve seen in the last 2 years. I’m not sure if I should be excited or scared.
They other thread likes it. You like it. I like it.
What if Carrol is the greatest motivator and part time shrink of all the coaches in the NFL? If only a third of Camp Carroll’s projects work out, it’s still like getting extra first and second round picks for very little risk. Exciting, indeed. They want build kick ass team. Good this. Just hope they don’t bring in any projects with Michael Vickish resumes.
by broadbill birdwatcher on Aug 16, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
Matt McCoy is a bit of an outsider on the list
Having spent more time bouncing around the league.
Still, BMW, Balmer and Pitcock show an interesting trend of finding talent and trying to help them beat the mental issues. I agree it’s a great supplemental way of finding talent, with tempered expectations.
I have never read it in so many words, but reading between the lines
It is my impression that McCoy has never fit in anywhere he has played, and that his career has been derailed by injury and bad “makeup” and not inferior ability.
McCoy looks good on a jersey at any rate.
And has a nice ring to it.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I wonder what this means for Lo Jack?
I don’t know how much direct competition there is between Balmer and LoJack, as one would anticipate that Balmer is in the mix at RDE while LoJack is strictly left.
I just wonder if part of the answer to the “what to do with Lo Jack” question isn’t to put him in the mix at the 3-technique given his size and skill set. That might make Terrill or Pitcock the odd man out (or, perhaps taxi squad for Pitcock?).
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I don't know if Balmer is in the mix for either DE
But if he is he is certainly alongside LoJack as Red Bryant’s backup at strongside DE, neither one is in competition for the Leo end.
He didn’t seem to work as a 5-tech DE in the Niners’ 3-4 so I don’t think we’ll try him at our 3-4-ish-DE position.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 16, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember in that draft a LOT of Seahawks fans wanting Balmer
He was pretty much dis-regarded as an option based on Ruskell though. I recall many 49ers fans glad he slipped past the Hawks at 28 when the Seahawks took LoJack.
Imagine if Balmer ends up making the team and LoJack getting cut. The Seahawks basically just gave a 6th round draft pick to go back in time 2 years and pick the right guy.
I read somewhere that Balmer is upset over not getting played at tackle.
I don’t think he would agree to come to Seattle unless they gave him a chance at Bane’s position.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
My impression is that he was upset about not playing enough
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Reminiscent of an old rag tag group of Oakland Raiders
I love that we’re exploring all of our options in bringing in talent. We gave up virtually nothing to get a big DE/DT. You have to think that camp Singletary is very old school and the new generation, ie a kid that was drafted at 21, and now 23, might not respond to it, and shut down. Maybe the 3-4 wasn’t for him.
Either way, we get a young guy and give him a new opportunity in a new setting, nothing lost and all upside. Mike Williams already looks like a huge get, and for my money a game 1 starter, if not our #1 receiver.
If nothing else, this Front Office has my attention and the offseason has been anything but dull.
by Christopher M Olson on Aug 16, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions
Your last line sums it up nicely.
by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 16, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to be picky,
but I wouldn’t call Williams a #1 receiver by any stretch yet. Not only have we not seen enough of him, but Housh, Tate, and Branch all played earlier in the game than he.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Any guesses as to the reason Balmer quit on the 49ers?
Was he so gutless that wasn’t willing to work his way back into their rotation? Or was this more of a Haynesworth situation where he hated the 49ers 3-4 scheme?
from NFLdraft scout
Draft Scout Player News:
08/11/10 – DT Kentwan Balmer took a leave of absence from the 49ers yesterday as new details emerged in the NCAA investigation into the North Carolina football program. Coach Mike Singletary admitted Balmer has “a lot on his plate right now” but didn’t specifically reference the investigation into Balmer’s connection with a trip current North Carolina player Marvin Austin took to California. The Raleigh News & Observer quoted former Tar Heels player Cam Thomas as saying that Balmer paid for a trip he and Austin made to a California-based sports performance center before the 2009 season. “Twan paid for (the trip),” Thomas said before declining further comment. The 49ers said Balmer’s absence was a “personal matter.” Balmer’s agent, Gary Wichard, told Comcast Sports Net Bay Area in an e-mail that it was “family matters.”
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33362
Trade for Lo Jack
What could we get in trade for Lo Jack?
I like our trade for Balmer especially since a future 6th round choice is like a 7th round in the previous draft.
Schneider confirms and comments
“We have strong connections to the 49ers and it is our understanding that Kentwan is ready to play football and in need of a fresh start,” Seahawks GM John Schneider said in a statement. “We see a lot of upside in Kentwan and are excited to add him to our defense.”
I wish that quote would have read:
"We have strong connections to the 49ers and we’ve spoken to Kentwan and we’re confident he is ready to play football and in need of a fresh start," Seahawks GM John Schneider said in a statement.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
True
But I think Nick means talking to him after the trade and gaining assurances that he’s on the way. I’d personally kind of like to hear that because we’ve seen little of it so far.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 16, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I meant ... even if the comments were made post-trade, they'd be reassuring.
I’m hoping the guy comes to play! Would be great to have some young, quality depth that possibly could start in the coming years.
Certainly more exciting (from a long-term perspective) than someone like Terrill.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
We're on the same page...
but reading around the innertube I see lots of tampering allegations aimed at us, making me want to tamper something up-side those idiots’ heads.
Dangit John
but your prose has a way of unveiling minor revelations that appeal to our fandom. In other words, that last line feeds the homer in me.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
A minor quibble.
Is Leon Washington really considered a bust? He was only a fourth rounder, and I thought he provided some seriously big plays before going down to injury.
Agreed, I kind of think that Whitehurst would classify as more of a reclamation project
than Washington, but I suppose, with the injury, Washington’s status as a starting-worthy player is questionable.
The post doesn't say he is or was a bust.
It say he was in a contract dispute.
Red Bryant: surprise us!
Again, this is kinda niggling... but:
“Carroll is making a management philosophy out providing amnesty for draft busts.”
Then he goes on to make a list of players, the last of which is Washington. I just wouldn’t put him in a category of “bust” as much as the other guys on there, particularly considering where he was drafted.
No big deal.
And it has the title "Seahawks Shadow Class 2010"
That the class is mostly populated by draft busts does not mean a player has to be a bust to be a part of the shadow class.
Great read, John.
Love the move. Thanks for the insight on how Carroll is running things.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 16, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions
Considering the box office hit burning its way through cinemas right now
Is there any chance we can nickname this group “The Expendables”.
It’s the Over-the-Hill Gang, only with the over-the-hillness.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 16, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I love this
This has got to be our team nickname this year. The Expendables. Perfect!
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 16, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I dig it too.
EX!
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Ok yeah that was lame...
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I'm not sure why the picture made me think of it,
but is Pete going to be a hoodie guy? This is a deeply disturbing thought.
I wonder...
I wonder if there are any high draft pick right tackles out there looking for a new start? Okung looked better than good keeping pressure from developing from the left. Consistent pressure from the right is NOT good, and needs to be fixed.
Too late for Alex Barron.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

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