Lawrence Jackson Traded to Detroit
by BrianL on Aug 18, 2010 11:48 AM PDT
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According to the Seattle PI's Greg Johns, Lawrence Jackson has been traded to the Detroit Lions for an undisclosed 2011 draft pick.
#Seahawks trade Lawrence Jackson to Detroit for undisclosed 2011 draft pick ... the reverse Kentwan Balmer move.
More as it comes.
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I've had the feeling that Coach isn't a big LJ fan,
USC ties or no.
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Pain don't hurt...
Seattle Lite?
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Nono,
the Seatroit Sealions.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
by Cheddar28 on Aug 18, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 18, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't come up with it.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2010/3/4/1356519/seahawks-pinch-pennies-with-rob#31950731
See!
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Detroit: Like Seattle, but with a lot more economic dystopia!
There’s a motto that doesn’t roll off the tongue.
My thoughts exactly..
better be a 3rd or better.
by michaelfox99 on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really
probably valued a second round player in the draft but no real red flags. Starting ready and still has a lot of playing time ahead, no injury problems and no pressing need to get rid of him.
Perhaps, but as we've seen all off-season, teams generally aren't willing to part with high draft picks.
I think most people’s read on Jackson is that he’s decent but unspectacular. He does not have elite pass rush ability and I don’t think he even has that potential — his upside seems to be good, not great. I don’t think he starts on Detroit’s line right away, though he could be a rotational player.
If Seattle was pursuing a DE on another team, and you heard that we were acquiring someone equivalent to LJ, would you be happy about giving up a 3rd round pick? I sure wouldn’t.
Mildly interested actually
3rd rounder doesn’t break the bank, and their team had 26 sacks last year(2 less than Seattle). LoJack’s 4.5 sacks ties him for second place on the Lions last year and it gets someone competent next to Suh
6th round? Is that really the best we could do for LJ?
And why shop him anyway? I’m confused.
I guess the next question that pops up after WTF? is, “Would you rather have had Balmer or Jackson, assuming the 6th-rounders are a wash?”
Balmer
cuz we know what LJ gives us…..not much.
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 18, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
He didn't mean reverse in the sense you are thinking..
Reverse in that we traded away a recent defensive line first round pick for a future pick. The pick is undisclosed, we are hoping it is better than a 6th..
by michaelfox99 on Aug 18, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
We had too many DEs on the roster
It wasn’t if we were going to trade LoJack, but when.
I really hope we got better than a 6th round pick for him, though. A DE who has played the last two years and was not holding out? Definitely worth more than Balmer.
With what Lo Jack has shown,
4.5 sacks last year, only a third year player, I would hope that we got more in return than we gave for Balmer.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 18, 2010 11:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Based on the offseason I'm inclined to think we're not getting much back.
The front office seemed to be more interested in moving players that didn’t fit or they weren’t fond of than trying to get any kind of value back for them.
It's still depth from a thin line
we could turn that into leverage right?
Which strikes me as bizarre
since any random person can realize that what may not be worth much to one person, may be worth something to someone else. LoJack may not fit our scheme at all, but Carroll and crew have to realize that he’s worth something to someone else.
WHAAAAT!?!?!?!
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Not THAT kind of "What"
Silly duck.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I'll try to be clear next time.
Maybe my comment didn’t stick out enough, hmmm….
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
It ends in an exclamation point.
As such, the “WHAT” turns into a complaint, rather than a question, which would have been the case if it had ended with a question mark.
Sadly, I’ve thought about this before.
Tapp for Clemmons, just lower stakes
Acquiring a player they believe fits the scheme, jettisoning a player they think does not.
This FO/coaching staff obviously has a lot of faith in their ability to scout & project. Let’s hope they’re right.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Is anyone really surprised by this?
Maybe a trade perhaps, but surely him not being a Seahawk for ‘10 hasn’t caught many off guard after this off season.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
TBH
I didn’t expect it this soon. Like Balmer, he’s still so young.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
True, but Red's move to end and the like Wilson and now Balmer,
writting was on the wall, I thought.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I think I need to change my perception
of what FO’s feel about first-round picks.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I'm fucking blown away by this roster move of epic proportions.
Never saw this coming in a million years. Brett who? ESPN do your job!
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Not shocked
But this is about 100 times more shocking than Favre coming back.
by SeahawksFanInNY on Aug 18, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
Just hoping the draft pick isn’t a six pack (of crappy beer).
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
by Nick Andron on Aug 18, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
We're getting a can of Sprite.
It is expected to be crisp and delicious.
Can we request Squirt instead?
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
by Nick Andron on Aug 18, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Then I don't like this trade. Not one bit.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
by Nick Andron on Aug 18, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
On a hot day Squirt + Vodak = Refreshing.
But to be fair, I’ve never tried hot dog water on a hot day. It may also be refreshing.
But honestly this is the weirdest thing ever...
A team drafts one D-lineman over another in a draft. Two years later they pull a couple trades in order to get the D-lineman taken JUST AFTER the original one they took…
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Cuz he took snaps from Tapp?
Yeah me too.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Detroit showed strong interest
Hopefully that means we got something good. It’s all going to come down to what round the pick is
Heard this on the radio too.
Detroit made the contact, apparently, so it sounds like this wasn’t a pre-waiver move like Balmer and Hawks fans can expect better return than the 9ers were forced to take for Balmer.
by trippsixxes on Aug 18, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
God I hope so
We’d better get something decent. I’m hoping for a 3rd but realistically I’m expecting a 4th or 5th.
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 18, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
AT LEAST WE TRADED LOJACK OUT OF THE FREAKING DIVISION!
So that still makes us smarter than the Niners. Right?
I need to see what we get back before I pass judgement...
though I am surprised.
LoJack who?
I was jazzed when we drafted LJ but he hasn’t shown me shit since. Carroll’s D scheme is massive up front except for small and quick as hell at the Leo. LJ was a tweener, and an underperforming one at that.
Look, this team has been 9 and 23 the last two seasons. If Carroll wants to fire everyone connected with it, tough shit. NFL = Not For Long and when you lose 2 out of 3 times you step on the field, you don’t get to control your own destiny.
Hope it was a 3rd or 4th at least we got in return. Won’t be PO’d if it wasn’t.
by BigUglyFatDude on Aug 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDT reply actions
Very well put...
I can back this fully.
Management is doing their best to turn this team around. Gotta have faith in their evaluation of their players moving forward.
I'm expecting a 4th,
but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a 5th.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions
A little disappointed
But we would have essentially traded LoJack for Balmer and up to Detroit’s spot in the 6th. If Balmer produces I’m fine with that.
by lemonverbena on Aug 18, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
There wouldn't be a net loss even if Balmer busts
as far as I’m concerned.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
If it's a 6th for LJ?
I’ll feel less than ecstatic, but if you look at the talent Caroll and Schneider have assembled in the draft and the reclamation projects that didn’t cost us anything, honestly I’m more concerned about the roster spot they freed up than I would getting value in return for a player who ultimately was worthless to us.
by BigUglyFatDude on Aug 18, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Very annoyed
The same return the Niners got for a player that forced his way out, despite LoJack “outproducing” Balmer and simply being a system cut? It would be atrocious.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be annoyed and concerned that it's a continuing trend roster moves that are moderately to extremely puzzling.
They’ve done a good job selling me on their ability to draft, but I’ve still got big reservations about their ability to sign and trade players.
I would be more concerned if it was players they brought in.
Instead of cleaning out the wood shed from the previous FO.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see a whole lot of return for very many players lately.
Seahawks or not.
This is what I've been noticing
More teams are holding onto their 1-3 round picks. Except for other picks on draft day.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
All I'll say is I don't vehemently hate these moves anymore
I just have a hard time finding a whole lot of positives in them. I’d rather see what happens if they play LoJack than deal him for a sixth round pick that will likely amount to nothing in the future.
A lot of times though those 6th rounders get packaged to move up in that draft.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm starting to have the mindset that draft picks as a whole are becoming a tad overvalued.
Especially late round picks.
Well I got it for this year, loaded draft and all
Next year’s should be much more talent-poor.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Value is dictated by the market at the time you decide to sell
And there just aren’t many trades in the NFL. Plus the advantage gained by moving a player that doesn’t fit anymore. He isn’t blocking a player who does or taking a roster spot from other positions.
by lemonverbena on Aug 18, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Was someone like Tapp really blocking anyone of note?
I think I’d rather have him over Clemons, scheme mismatch or not.
The question is, who can't block Lawrence Jackson
by lemonverbena on Aug 18, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No I don't believe that was the question at all.
by BrianL on Aug 18, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, I hear Feline AIDS is a real problem
And a magnetic storm from the Sun could destroy all electrical operation in the Western Hemisphere within the next 2 years.
Both are true
But BrianL really is right. I too had to think back to the low-return trades prior to draft, from overpaying for Whitehurst to getting underpaid for Tapp. The results might be good, especially with the way the drafting looks now, but the process is broken.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't feel a 5th rounder and Clemons was that underpaid for Tapp.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm withholding judgment until I see Clemons in the regular season.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
Agree Scruf
First rule of any new management team is to purge any leftovers that MIGHT jeopardize the new message—even if the employee is a superstar. Jackson is far from a superstar and being an underachieving Trojan on this team is a HUGE issue.
Carroll might be rah-rah on the outside but he is proving to have a solid Machiavellian Prince in him as well.
by trippsixxes on Aug 18, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I see you subscribe to the Josh McDaniels school of dis
by Cannonater on Aug 18, 2010 1:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What I meant to say, was
I see you subscribe to the Josh McDaniels school of dismantling a team. This was just so much fail. I wish I could delete/edit comments.
I'd argue that he completely botched the Cassel/Cutler scenario
and brought that upon himself. I certainly wouldn’t have drafted Tim Tebow in the first round.
So no, I don’t subscribe to the McD school.
But there are some positive aspects of his “dismantling” that are never given credit here (with reason—I hate the Broncos too.)
I was joking
But I’m sure you couldn’t tell because I tried to comment from my phone, and mobile commenting is neat, but kinda tricky and wonky.
Sorry about that. As awesome as this site is, comment editing would make it awesom-er.
by Cannonater on Aug 18, 2010 2:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This.
Exactly my thoughts. Jackson has experience and production, as well as the first round tag. Balmer just has first round talent but no production and was going to be waived regardless.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 18, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Argh
You could say Jackson is in the same situation here as Balmer in San Fran
Let’s hope it ends better.
Why did I say this? The curse of me expressing hope for players right before they get cut/traded strikes again!
Whatever we got back it’s a loss. Really hoped he’d find some spot in the system.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
He's a tweener who hasn't produced
I’m glad they moved on. Have you liked our pass rush the last two years?
by lemonverbena on Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed he is, and I'm not shocked
It’s still a loss. Let’s not go all Niners Nation and keep that perspective clear in mind, yesno? Primarily, it sucks.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
"Let's not all go to Niners Nation" should be a standing order
by lemonverbena on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
SIXTH ROUND PICKS ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN GOLD-PLATED DIAMONDS!!!
Is that an example of “Going Niner Nation?”
GNN is now a meme.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 18, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno.
But the difference is, we're not a bunch of stupid Niner fans
“Going Field Gulls” would be a lot more reasoned and sardonic
by J.L. White on Aug 18, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't think so
Pretty sure he was nursing his hammy, but don’t hold me to that, because I don’t remember as well.
He hasn't participated since the 3rd day of camp with a hammy.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
He was back at practice yesterday
Timely.
by lemonverbena on Aug 18, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol, I thought the same thing after I heard about the trade.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Maybe the deal has been in the works for a while
Lions just wanted to be sure it wasn’t a serious injury
This is a bummer.
I trust Carroll more than anyone to know if Jackson fits his defense or not, so I’m sure this is the right move, but it’s never a happy day when you lose a 1st round draft pick after only two years.
by Mind of no mind on Aug 18, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions
Or not....
A first round pick, yes, but not one who has lived up to being picked where he was, or who was going to even make this team. I see LJ as Ruskell’s mistake.
by BigUglyFatDude on Aug 18, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand, I'm not really bummed about LoJak specifically.
I’m just thinking more in terms of what it generally means for a team when you wiff on first round picks. Even if I have belief in the current FO, the impact of any misses our former front office had is going to be felt for a few years still. On the other hand, even if it’s a long shot, the Expendables may yet save the day.
by Mind of no mind on Aug 18, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If it helps you sleep at night
Just pretend we traded Lo-Jack for Balmer.
After recently re-reading
this, I’m now annoyed at John for getting my hopes up. MOOORRRGAAAAAN!
//Shatner’d
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
just replace names
Tapp for Clemons and Jackson for Bryant. All is well!
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 18, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn't we wait to find out what the Seahawks got back before deciding on the lameness of this trade?
Because if it’s Calvin Johnson and Detroit’s 1st round pick…well, that’s certainly unlame.
If we get a third I'll be okay, higher than that I'll be happy.
I’m rather doubtful that’s the case based on the larger body of offseason moves.
There is very little chance it is higher than a 4th
by lemonverbena on Aug 18, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would be surprised if it's even that high.
I’d be happy with a fourth though, considering how out of place LoJack had become.
If Balmer & LoJack are comparible talents, and the former is a better scheme fit than the latter, then what's the problem?
LoJack produced more because he played more, but it’s still unclear who will have the better career. Maybe we should have kept both, but I think our roster size was going to make that difficult.
I don’t think we lose that much with these trades, if we lose at all.
Because theres no reason they couldn't have had both.
And Balmer has shown he’s willing to disappear if he feels he’s not getting what he deservers.
Good point
But I don’t think the Seahawks were going to keep Bryant AND Wilson AND LoJack to fill just one position (LDE).
With all the young and inexpensive talent the Seahawks brought in, they probably figure they’d need to move a piece or two to get everyone else in the 53-man roster.
I think everyone needs to ask themselves...
If Seattle traded a 3rd round pick for a DE of Jackson’s limited accomplishment and upside, would you be happy about it? I definitely would not be. And if we wouldn’t be happy about giving up a third, why would another team?
He was good at what he did in college weighing 270.
Not nearly quick enough to carry that amount of weight in the pros. Seemed like he was effective last year being stout at the point of attack, but Red is just better built for that, and LoJack doesn’t have Kerney-like quicks to play Leo.
Sounds basically like Jackson for Balmer, plus a slightly higher pick. Likely a 5th. Even a 6th would be fine as Detroit will suck much more than us this year, so it’ll be higher than the one we traded away.
by bleedshawkblue on Aug 18, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions
I used to cry everytime I saw it.
My brother would then keep rewinding it and playing it over and over again.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That's just cruel.
I wish I’d done that to my brother.
Seriously, what an asshole.
What a creative, right-minded, asshole.
by DJ C-Raig on Aug 18, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So shocked!
This being the one-stop-shop for Nick Reed deification, I thought it would have been pointed out by now that this trade says in big bright neon letters that the coaching staff is fine with Reed being the second string Leo, rush end!
There has to be a good Dos Equis line about Reed in there somewhere!
If Nick Reed punched you in the face, and you survived, you would have to resist the urge to thank him
by lemonverbena on Aug 18, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd politely ask for another
With the full knowledge that my skull would be reduced to bloody crumbs within seconds. IT WOULD BE WORTH IT!
I was thinking more...
Nick Reed moves up depth charts so fast players end up on other team’s benches.
Or something like that.
This trade says in big bright neon letters:
The coaching staff is fine with Reed being the second strong Leo, rush end!
From Danny O'Neil's blog...
8/17: Jackson’s return to practice presented an opportunity to ask him about what seems to be somewhat of a position switch. Coach Pete Carroll said Monday Jackson would be playing the Leo, which is the pass-rushing end that lines up on the weakside of the offensive line.
“They told me their plans,” Jackson said, “and right now, the only focus I have is going out there and getting better as a player at whatever position they have me playing.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawksblog/2012648312_camp_carroll_we.html
That was totally cold-blooded
Getting LoJack’s hopes up, just to get traded a day later. AND TO DETROIT, NO LESS!
Detroit probably has more upside than Seattle right now
QB of the future.
A top-10 WR
Suh
What does Seattle have comparably? Charlie Whitehurst, Golden Tate and Kentwan Balmer (and Nick Reed)? Mare?
Seattle might very well win more games than Det in 2010 but the Lions are certainly stockpiling alot of talent right now.
Seattle has
A new franchise LT, and a potential star FS, which are both huge gaping holes on DET.
by SeahawksFanInNY on Aug 18, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Detroit has a franchise QB
I honestly think the Lions will win 5-6 games this season.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Sure. I'll take the franchise QB over any other position any day
But BTW, the best comparison we have for Suh is Mebane, not Balmer.
by SeahawksFanInNY on Aug 18, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
And Seattle will always have Seattle. Detroit? Yikes.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 18, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and a potential star FS, which are both huge gaping holes on DET.
Louis Delmas.
but if you mean the other Safety position is a massive gaping hole, can’t argue with that.
Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
The Lions are stockpiling a lot of Seahawk has-beens
Yes, the Lions are on their way up….from winning only 2 games in the past 2 seasons. Both teams have made improvements since 2009, but the Seahawks were obviously on much higher ground.
Our climb out of the depths of the NFC is much easier than Detroit’s.
I love the talent on the Detroit roster
Megatron is not just top-10, he has full potential to be the best WR in football.
Add in talent like Pettigrew, Jahvid Best, and even Louis Delmas, and they flashing some stuff.
The problem is that also have huge gaping holes, and are still nowhere near contending. They’ve got a ways to go and no two ways about it.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I could see Detroit being really good in 2-3 years
If they shore up their gaping holes along the o-line, linebacking crew and secondary. They have a few studs but not enough average (or slightly above-average) players to get them to .500 this season.
They could shock a few teams this season, though.
The world's most interesting man, on Nick Reed
“I met him late one night in a club in Mukilteo. He already knew all my stories and offered better insight on any topic that arose. He made me drink whatever he was drinking. I don’t always watch American Football, but when I do, I cheer for Nick Reed.”
by SeahawksFanInNY on Aug 18, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can do better than that one.
"I met him late one night in a club in Mukilteo. He already knew all my stories and offered better insight on any topic that arose. I felt strangely compelled to drink whatever he was drinking while in his presence, which never included a Dos Equis. I don’t always watch American Football, but when I do, I cheer for Nick Reed."
by SeahawksFanInNY on Aug 18, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just surprised that you know Mukilteo
Most people dont, even though they live 5 minutes from it. Until you say “The Ferry” then they might understand what it is.
I Bleed Blue and Green
I grew up in the Seattle area and enjoy some of the bizarre names of places
Mukilteo certainly sounds like the name of a place the world’s most interesting man might be found drinking with Nick Reed. Neither would be caught dead in a place called Factoria. Or Kent.
by SeahawksFanInNY on Aug 18, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Hearing out-of-towners trying to pronounce "Puyallup" is quite humorous, as well.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
I like saying Cle Elum for no good reason
Even though I’ve only been there once or twice.
Klickitat is funny, too.
Geoduck is a killer...
Even Alton Brown (Good Eats) called them Gee-oh-ducks!
(It’s gooey-duck for you foreigners)
That doesn't shock me
LoJack started strongly in both seasons and then just disappeared. I don’t see a breakout from him any time soon.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I just hope we did better than a 6th round pick
- LJ wasn’t holding out
- He has had a decent career, albeit not stellar
- He still arguably projects more upside than Balmer
- He is a reasonably quality backup at worst and an eventual starter at best, which is better than most 6th round picks who average a year in the league
Still smells like another “Tapp” move to me, but as they say, we will have to wait on Clemon’s performance and what we get for our draft pick
Pretty much what I was thinking.
And yet, I fear that the current FO is all too happy to give up a valuable asset for next to nothing because of a perceived lack of fit. They don’t seem to grasp that trades should be based on market value, rather than intrinsic value to the seller.
by Suburban Shocker on Aug 18, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Like you would know the current Market Value.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I do know some facts
Namely, the facts that IslandHawk listed, all of which point to Jackson being more valuable than Balmer. If the team doesn’t get a significantly better value for Jackson than it gave up for Balmer, then someone in the FO evidently figured the market values wrong.
by Suburban Shocker on Aug 18, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yawn....What has LoJack done in his career with us?
Oh that’s right nothing. If we get anything I say great. I’d rather have another gamble OF and DF Lineman to provide more depth with the roster slot than carry his dead weight.
He's done more than Balmer.
Why not gamble on on Lo-jack? he’s already on the roster, wouldn’t cost anything.
We've already seen what LoJack can do. There is no gambling left in my mind
His pass rush underwhelming, his technique only ok. With Balmer there is at least the potential that maybe a switch of scenery could have different results. I see no reason why keeping him around to consume a spot was going to result in something different than we’ve already seen.
Solid Move
Zero to little risk, and we get to see PC/JS shaking up the roster in an area where we need more explosiveness. Well done in my mind. They should keep doing this, it is so nice to see a FO that “does” instead of “hopes”
Lol
They seem to be alright with this:
http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/8/18/1629982/lions-trade-for-seattles-lawrence
Though they can’t remember Julian freaking Peterson. Grawr.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
They do?
They don’t seem very excited to me, especially since it’s a former first-round pick.
Even they are talking about the SeaLions.
Well by "alright"
I didn’t mean “All is right”, just “okay”.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
LOUD ANGRY NOISES
Actually I’m not that worried about it until I see two things:
1. What we actually get
2. If Balmer performce. LJ was nearly a non-factor.
If either one of those is a positive, then it was an overall good move.
What does the Balmer move have to do with this?
They don’t even play the same position.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Very good call.
We shouldn’t over-examine the two moves as too much of a planned strategy.
I was thinking about moving one first rounder for another
Not exact same position. We had a first rounder not contributing at first round level and we get a first rounder who may contribute and move from 6th to something else in the draft. Its got a little tint of rose colored glasses, but I don’t think its that much of a reach.
No
That’s assuming several things. If we had knowledge that, say, the Hawks were holding on to LoJack until they had more Dline depth, then yes, you could argue this.
Right now we have two moves made close together for two young players that play different positions in the team. One brought in because he fits, one evicted because he doesn’t. That doesn’t make one a direct replacement for the other.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Two defensive line back ups, one brought in because he fits the scheme and the other shipped out the next day because he doesn't.
That sure sounds like they replaced LoJack with Balmer to me.
That's like saying
if we shipped out a safety then brought in a CB, the CB replaced the safety. Two DBs moved, one brought in then the other shipped out the next day.
It’s still two different positions. Red Bryant is taking LoJacks spot, not Balmer.
Now with more lemon bars!
Last I heard Balmer was moving inside to be DT
Bryant has already moved outside to be a DE. Balmer is likely to try and replace Terrile/Cole.
Now with more lemon bars!
You are correct
But you can correlate the two as part of an overall plan and if we get a contributor for a marginal one and move up in the draft then it was a success.
You have to concede that.
And give the clap to Brett Favre.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Give the clap to Chilly first. of course.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 18, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
One underachieving 1st-round Ruskell pick who started too often down,
one more to go.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Seriously. Refreshing FG this many times can't be good for the server.
But it’s def good for John’s pageview metrics! =P
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Pageviews works with unique views and hits
Unique views matter, hits…less so.
I’ve been keeping my eye on the usual newsies but not even a sigh or a whisper. Everyone is too busy talking about Britfar, still.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Goddamn I used to love Favre.
Now he’s just a douche. Oh well, I always liked Elway and Favre more.
(sorry, my Elway days precede my Seahawk days).
*snap*
It blows my mind to think that Red Bryant essentially beat out LJ for the starting spot.
Yup. Wow. Weird.
I vow to never post a cartoon picture of spurting diarrhea on a credible blog.
/dick joke
Bryant has always had a load of talent
and was a gift when we picked him up as late in the draft as we did. Now if he could just add some consistency…
Now with more lemon bars!
Who'd a thunk it?
If it works Carroll/Quinn/Bradley are geniuses. If not… woo boy…
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 18, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey look!
New Thread to house our discontent!
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 18, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this 6th round pick;
And all the shitty trades that lour’d upon our team
In the deep bosom of forgetfulness buried.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2010 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
While there are many that bemoan this trade and our front office.....
The last MLB off season we all adopted the phrase “In Jack we trust”. And then we have the current mariner season. Time will tell on this trade and all others. But I like the fact, that our front office is making moves, and not sitting on their hands doing nothing.
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