Patriots at Falcons Game Thread: My Favorite Time of the Year
I got a late start today, for whatever reason (you don't care about.) Then I have a conference call. Then I have to figure out if I can appear on Northwest Cable News, because I would like to but I live outside the Seattle area. This is a long way of saying I might not be able to post again before the game thread tonight, and when football is on, I'm watching football.
This four-day stretch is perhaps my favorite all season. It's August. It's still beautiful out. The games do not matter except for the players with something to prove. And for four nights straight, I get to watch football. Hot damn do I love that fact.
In years past, this football orgy would coincide with a mini-bender. Each year the beer has gotten better and less plentiful, and my interest has more and more centered on the talent.
Speaking of the talent:
Covering the draft has made me a fan of every team in the NFL. Not a fan-fan. More like, I appreciate every team in the NFL. Players I root for populate every team. And so do players I am interested in because, well, because I did not like them as a prospect. I do not root against these players, but I remain interested. If I'm wrong, I need to know why. And if I'm right, I need to know why, too.
Tonight's game features quite a few players I am invested in. Here is a partial list and why:
Sam Baker
I threw a lot of support behind Baker at a time when rumors were swirling that he could fall into the third round. That seemed ludicrous at the time, but with a little perspective, I realize now that players like Baker do in fact fall and sometimes for no obvious reason. This was the draft, 2008, I was pushing really hard for Seattle to draft a left tackle and Baker was a good mix of Ruskell-approved and likely-available at Seattle's pick. Baker has not been bad, but neither has he been the rock I hoped he would be. He helped me recalibrate my eye for offensive tackle talent. I used to see it as a skill-first position, but I now see it as very tools dependent. The left tackle typically squares off against one of if not the most athletically gifted player on defense, and all the skills in the world do not cover for poor agility or poor power.
Jamaal Anderson
It seems unlikely that Anderson will play, but Anderson, along with Amobi Okoye, helped be learn that very young players can sometimes struggle at first compared to their older classmates. Especially young players playing strength-dependent positions. There is a certain common sense in that, but that common sense seems to escape people. Anderson has been deemed a bust, and he has been a bust thus far for the Falcons.
The more interesting question might be, if a player is likely to struggle at first, or if some players at certain positions are likely to struggle at first, should it hurt their draft stock? Think: Chris Spencer. Does it make sense to draft a player at a position that so often peaks late? Anderson is entering the fourth year of a five year contract. He has struggled throughout his first three seasons. At most, the Falcons can salvage their investment, and if Anderson does turn it on and the Falcons do salvage their investment, they are stuck with a player that will become a free agent just as he is entering his peak seasons.
Justin Blalock
Blalock was the star of my original size-acceleration metric. The idea of combining size and speed into a single measure was later used in Bill Barnwell's "Speed Score." I take a more nuanced approach to scouting players now, but the synthesis of size and speed and how it represents explosive force is something I look for at all positions. It seems like a decent proxy for quick-twitch strength.
Last I checked, Blalock is among the best young guards in football.
Michael Jenkins, Matt Ryan, Roddy White and Michael Turner
All players that for different reasons helped to illuminate the limitations of statistics, and specifically, how they can deceive.
Periah Jerry
Jerry is the opposite of Anderson: Jerry is 25 and turns 26 in October. I hated this pick. I hated this pick not because Jerry is bad, but because one expects a 24 year old man to be able to dominate college kids. I thought Jerry's potential was limited and that we has overvalued. He missed most of his rookie season, and so I am very interested in seeing how he plays. It is his second season and he is already nearing his athletic prime. Good? Bad? Plug and play or undermined by a shorter development curve? I don't know.
The Patriots drafted quite a few players I thought were quality prospects.
Patrick Chung
Loved his athleticism and awareness, but kid was super unpolished. There was a time I tracked every safety in every class, I was so desperate for Seattle to improve its talent. Chung was a personal favorite.
Taylor Price
With Golden Tate, my favorite wide receiver prospect from this last class. When I say favorite, I do not mean the one I think is the absolute best, though I think Price has the potential to be the best, but rather the best value for projected draft slot. Price fell to the third. I am very interested in how he develops. Like Roddy White and Michael Jenkins, I think his true talent might have been hidden by poor quarterback play.
Zac Robinson
Robinson is a funny story: He is attractive because of his tools and makeup, but he crumbled at the end of his senior season. So, tools and makeup or raw performance? Worth a 7th round pick anyway.
Brandon Spikes
Spikes is a classic "slow" player. He is slow, especially after about 20 yards. But people mistakenly conflate footspeed with athleticism. Spikes has a ton of tools, and excelled in college. I think he can be an All-Pro inside linebacker.
Ron Brace
Brace was the lesser half of the Brace - B.J. Raji duo. The two ruled at Boston College. Brace looked good, while Raji looked special. I was surprised when Raji worked his way into the top ten. Brace is interesting because teammates can improve teammates while not being flashy themselves. He seems like a classic trench warrior that people ignore, but consumes blocks while teammates make plays. I want to see if Brace was perhaps unheralded in the hype surrounding Raji.
Rob Gronkowski
Quintessential second-round pick: good tools, good production, great makeup--Quintessential Tim Ruskell second round pick. Gronkowski lacks a great ceiling, but he also seems likely to fulfill his potential. Just how valuable is that? And, in a sport so dominated by injuries, can a player ever be a safe pick?
Anyway, this is football paradise for me. So excuse me while I indulge.
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Jim Mora is on FOX tonight
Will Sam Baker not suck and play like a dirtbag tonight?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I'm upset I didn't get a John Morgan article today
that relates to the Seahawks.
I’m inconsolable right now.
Enjoy the game, John. Whatcha drinkin’?
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Atlanta is protecting Baker
Trips, then double tight end, and Baker and Blalock are working in tandem.
Whatever happened to Jerious Norwood?
Did he retire with all the concussions or something?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Devin Moore (ex-Seahawk)
just had a great run against Buffalo on a punt return. Coulda been a TD.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I read that as Moore playing with the Bills
When in actuality it’s the Colts.
Remember when Forsett was a Colt for a week?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Glad it was only that long.
I liked Forsett even before we cut him.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Didn't he also cut Plackemeier in that process as well?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I kinda take offense
to the Hutchinson debacle as his worst move ever, but I hear ya
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 19, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
He definitely flashed some agility on that one.
I wonder if he was any better than Rankin can be…
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Pretty, pretty pass by Trent Edwards.
Cmooooon Bills! (Jake Locker sweepstakes).
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Wait, am I allowed to have this be a Colts-Bills Open Thread too or no?
Is it annoying?
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Hooray for football game threads while still at work!
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 19, 2010 5:23 PM PDT reply actions
I wanna see him and Curtis Martin in the HOF.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I remember Holmgren saying that was something he'd have done differently in Seattle.
Get a bunch of young guys on defense pumped out of their mind and let them loose, while the offense needs more timing and experience.
I don't get the Skins and Pats RB corps
I’m all for veteran savvy on offense, but how do you not go with a youth movement at RB? Maybe the Pats are still reeling from the Maroney experiment.
Funny enough I'm more of a Joe Flacco skeptic
Than a Matt Ryan skeptic.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Whatever it was, it was Spencer's fault.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
FOX's new graphics look like a video game.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Spiller had a spectacular 31 yard TD run.
Haven’t seen a clip yet.
Gotta love cop speed.
GamePass myself
Some big plays to and fro on Ind-Buf but haven’t been paying much attention
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 19, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Spiller
But I think Buffalo was one of the last teams I wanted to see him with.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I'd have loved to see him play on an offense like the Eagles
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Yeah I was really disappointed at his landing spot.
New England or Philly should have made a play for him.
Buffalo should've never drafted him in the first place
Just trying to get asses in seats if you ask me
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 19, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
What was really spectacular about that run
Was the shitty Colts tackling.
Tho Spiller looked good too, yeah :P
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 19, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Ultra predictable play action is ultra predictable
Come on, Bill. Where’s the wacky new college inspired playbook.
Though I liked that double screen pass
I wonder if Knapp has worked that one into the Texans playbook yet.
Off topic: what's up with your book's release date?
Unless I misread the automated email from Amazon, the release date got moved up to the end of August.
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
Moved up?
That’s better than moved back. Maybe they fear the season will be over by the end of September.
They haven't taken into account Charlie Whitehurst healing us all
Screw it I want Whitehurst vs. Tebow in week 2. It would be the greatest thread in FG history.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
That thought had occurred to me.
Maybe they need to get it out while people are still buying Carroll’s book.
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
Some very poor runs by Turner still achieving positive yards
Just not much activity around the line.
Probably second of the past few decades
I don’t think “all time” is a meaningful moniker in football.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 19, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree, so hard to compare players of different eras
How do you keep historical perspective in a game that evolves so much. Guys like Largent and Monk were dominating in their time, but now slot receivers can put up similar stats.
Personally, my list has Rice as #1, and then 5-6 guys like Carter, Bruce, Harrison, Moss and Tim Brown all hovering around in that 2nd tier.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
It sounds like blasphemy...
But I’d go as far to say that Moss in his prime was better than Jerry was at his best. Kind of like Barkley vs Malone. Malone had the better career, but when Barkley was firing on all cylinders, he was definitely the better player.
To be decided
My local Fred Meyer has a comparably good selection, but I’m a little burnt out on the Deschutes and the handful of other stuff they offer. Given the weather, I would think something like a pale or an IPA, or maybe a porter, but tough to find a good porter.
I ended up with a Samuel Smith oatmeal stout
but it doesn’t exactly jive with my peanut butter and pickle sandwich.
Sometimes I love SS, but sometimes it's too sweet.
Stone Porter and I may try this Bridgeport Hop Czar.
I will vouch for anything Stone
And the Hop Czar is tasty if you like Hops as much as the name would imply.
by Moresoftness on Aug 19, 2010 7:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a quality porter, if not one of their best beers
I am cool with a crap ton of hops, if it’s balanced. Nothing worse than a bad, overpowering hop attack with no body.
Man I love NFL Gamepass
I can just replay something like Brady getting sacked over and over if there’s stuff I want to see, rather than depend on the replay.
Also that was a terrible call.
Aaron Hernandez
aka the guy besides Harvin who made Tebow look good in college
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Speaking of him
The anchor on Sportscenter twice said Tebow’s home debut this weekend against the Seahawks was in doubt due to his rib injury.
Didn’t know we were playing two teams.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
You know football season is back
When Joe Buck’s smarmy self is in midseason form.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I want to make sure they are sneaking some excess shit in there.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 19, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Find what qualifies as a ghetto in a suburban community
like Rosemere in Vancouver. Our first neighbor dealt oxy, and after he fled, the next guy dealt meth. I think the landlords marked the apartment for distribution.
Just look for houses with hoses going from the outside down to the basement
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All my meth knowledge comes from Breaking Bad
And spying on my neighbors ….
So look for stuff that’s blue, and always remember to have a spotter, to make sure you pass out on your side.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're right, my bad
But still solid advice, no matter what your poison.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
I had a coworker sell me on meth
He had since quit, but he talked about it wistfully. Crack too. Always a strange conversation.
British teeth myth
Brits have very healthy teeth. That just don’t care about them being 100% straight and totally white, like American teeth. Or Klan rallies.
Not passing up an excuse to post this:
Hedley & Wyche, The British Toothpaste.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Ok so the new rule says once a players helmet is knocked off the play is stopped.
So does that mean if someone breaks away that a D-Lineman could just grabs someone close to him helmet and rip it off to stop the play?
Dunno - I thought it had to be a player close to the action
I completely understand the reasoning behind the rule. But I soon as I heard about it …. I just know it’s going to affect the ’Hawks somehow this year, likely in a crucial moment, and take away a potentially game changing play from us. .
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
I believe it's the ball carrier only.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Even if he could think that fast, it probably wouldn't help.
I’ve read much of the exciting prose that is the NFL rulebook. The officials are allowed to award a touchdown instead of penalty yards if a blatant violation warrants it.
The rulebook gives an example of a player breaking free for a touchdown, with no defenders to stop him, and then being tackled short by someone who jumps onto the field from the opponent’s sideline. I think the situations are similar enough.
Lottery Ticket
Writers have given up with comedy movies.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Buck and Aikman really don't give a damn
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Of the Megan variety...?
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wilson really floats those short passes Hasselbeck style
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Hasselbeck's shovel pass against Arizona last year?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I'd rather not.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
It was picked
Right near the end zone when it was 31-20.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Wilson was ripe for a pick
I bet you when we cut Losman the Falcons pick him up.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Pretty sure Mora remembers every perceived slight he's ever suffered
And has an explanation about how it really wasn’t his fault … and that he’s totally over now. No, really, he’s fine. He’s moved on. he has better things to do than to keep rehashing it.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
I still can't believe he got into it with Hasselbeck on twitter
when Matt made a harmless tweet about Carlson having a big year in 2010.
Reality has ensured Mora that it is critical that the head coach respect the players.
But was he listening?
His enthusiasm is contagious.
I feel like running up a hill or climbing MT Everest.
Luckily Mora is doing Falcons/Steelers
So we avoid him for our season opener.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Right? He lacks a third gear, but possesses a solid one-punch.
If you ask me his career path is obvious.
by Anticitizen_One on Aug 19, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I got to look up his weight
See if he can cut to welterweight.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I will never get sick of watching that Boise St guy go down.
But yeah, shame on Blount and all that.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
"... shame on Blount and all that." *roll eyes*
Shouldn’tve been talkin shit! XD
by Anticitizen_One on Aug 19, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
In case it didn't come across in print, I meant that to have the appropriate sarcastic tone.
It always cracks me up when commentators talk like Blount’s the bad guy while they show that clip The Boise St. guy is looking so douchetastic that you want to cheer when Blount takes him down.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
No I caught your facetiousness brah, and was piling on
Dude, exactly. I have no sympathy for that lineman, being a hundred pounds heavier and maybe half a brain lighter than Blount. Personally I’m just impressed that he got that punch off so cleanly.
by Anticitizen_One on Aug 19, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither will I
the guy Blount punched went to my rival high school.
SHOCKED THEY SAY!
Players punch each other all the time in practice.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 19, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU WON"T BELIEVE WHAT THE COACH HAD TO SAY!
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Seems like Q13 doesn't want us to watch anything Mora related
So they gave us some news and commercials.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
It's just you.
I need to be seriously high to watch that movie.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I'm going.
But not with you.
Just watched the original the other night (finally on DVD). Corman-tastic.
I love the original
SPLASH THE WATER OH GOD I’M BEING ATTACKED!
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 19, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is the amount of money a person is willing to pay to burn something signed by Mora.
by Nate Dogg on Aug 19, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay Buck I gotta admit that was funny. Funny because it was true.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
It's scrub time now
So I shall announce I have 2 more teeth than a normal human being.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Neither one of them has broken through the skin
But if I have any discomfort I’ve got to have them pulled.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
X-rays show one is separating two of my fully grown teeth.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
This thread needs more Seahawks talk.
I’m going to break things if Forsett doesn’t get the start on Saturday.
If Hasselbeck stinks it up this weekend I want to see Whitehurst start the week after
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Also seconded.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Should be a feast or famine performance by Hasselbeck.
He talked about needing to come out with more energy, and I can’t see a fired up Hasselbeck playing it safe.
Yeah, to make sure we think of Hasselbeck as a top 10 QB.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I wasn't.
But hey, Losman is a UFL champion!
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Erick Williams said the first team O & D will play most of the first half.
“Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll said the first unit offense and defense will play more this Saturday against Green Bay, so expect them to play close to a half of football.”
Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/08/19/closing-time-at-camp-carroll/#ixzz0xCbsR7sU
Oh good
I really need to see more of Hass. I rewatched the last game and holy hell did he look uninspiring.
I'm guessin they pull him early if he can put together a scoring drive.
But that’s easier said than done…
Matt Giordano
Sporting some white man hustle.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I think Kolb can succeed
If Reid avoids the “50 pass gameplan”. I mean, he has to run the ball now, right?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Do the Falcons have another QB they can use?
Wilson is brutal to watch.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
How the hell do you allow that to happen?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I'll probably look for a stream then
Don’t know why NFLN is delaying the game.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Any of you older guys have any health deficiencies because of the way you ate in college?
Because my body is beginning to tell me that I should stop eating this Top Ramen and start treating it like the chief enemy of my stomach lining.
by Anticitizen_One on Aug 19, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions
I only ate poorly my freshman year
then I moved into an apartment and learned to cook
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The re-emergence of the white WR has just bursted through in this game.
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Nice fucking move.
The DB was like WTF!?!? and the safety in the middle just thought he was going to go outside.
Great awareness.
Jim Mora is going to talk about Matt Leinart after the break
Must see TV.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I feel so much better
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I await with baited breath
Chest a-heaving, heart a-fluttering
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 19, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't like Leinart
Not dirt-baggy enough
by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 19, 2010 7:42 PM PDT reply actions
We've got Minnesota next week
And Favre will probably be playing.
So do we do the NFL a favor by having Nick Reed cut off his limbs or do we let him off easy?
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