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Patriots at Falcons Game Thread: My Favorite Time of the Year

I got a late start today, for whatever reason (you don't care about.) Then I have a conference call. Then I have to figure out if I can appear on Northwest Cable News, because I would like to but I live outside the Seattle area. This is a long way of saying I might not be able to post again before the game thread tonight, and when football is on, I'm watching football.

This four-day stretch is perhaps my favorite all season. It's August. It's still beautiful out. The games do not matter except for the players with something to prove. And for four nights straight, I get to watch football. Hot damn do I love that fact.

In years past, this football orgy would coincide with a mini-bender. Each year the beer has gotten better and less plentiful, and my interest has more and more centered on the talent.

Speaking of the talent:

Star-divide

Covering the draft has made me a fan of every team in the NFL. Not a fan-fan. More like, I appreciate every team in the NFL. Players I root for populate every team. And so do players I am interested in because, well, because I did not like them as a prospect. I do not root against these players, but I remain interested. If I'm wrong, I need to know why. And if I'm right, I need to know why, too.

Tonight's game features quite a few players I am invested in. Here is a partial list and why:

Sam Baker

I threw a lot of support behind Baker at a time when rumors were swirling that he could fall into the third round. That seemed ludicrous at the time, but with a little perspective, I realize now that players like Baker do in fact fall and sometimes for no obvious reason. This was the draft, 2008, I was pushing really hard for Seattle to draft a left tackle and Baker was a good mix of Ruskell-approved and likely-available at Seattle's pick. Baker has not been bad, but neither has he been the rock I hoped he would be. He helped me recalibrate my eye for offensive tackle talent. I used to see it as a skill-first position, but I now see it as very tools dependent. The left tackle typically squares off against one of if not the most athletically gifted player on defense, and all the skills in the world do not cover for poor agility or poor power.

Jamaal Anderson

It seems unlikely that Anderson will play, but Anderson, along with Amobi Okoye, helped be learn that very young players can sometimes struggle at first compared to their older classmates. Especially young players playing strength-dependent positions. There is a certain common sense in that, but that common sense seems to escape people. Anderson has been deemed a bust, and he has been a bust thus far for the Falcons.

The more interesting question might be, if a player is likely to struggle at first, or if some players at certain positions are likely to struggle at first, should it hurt their draft stock? Think: Chris Spencer. Does it make sense to draft a player at a position that so often peaks late? Anderson is entering the fourth year of a five year contract. He has struggled throughout his first three seasons. At most, the Falcons can salvage their investment, and if Anderson does turn it on and the Falcons do salvage their investment, they are stuck with a player that will become a free agent just as he is entering his peak seasons.

Justin Blalock

Blalock was the star of my original size-acceleration metric. The idea of combining size and speed into a single measure was later used in Bill Barnwell's "Speed Score." I take a more nuanced approach to scouting players now, but the synthesis of size and speed and how it represents explosive force is something I look for at all positions. It seems like a decent proxy for quick-twitch strength.

Last I checked, Blalock is among the best young guards in football.

Michael Jenkins, Matt Ryan, Roddy White and Michael Turner

All players that for different reasons helped to illuminate the limitations of statistics, and specifically, how they can deceive.

Periah Jerry

Jerry is the opposite of Anderson: Jerry is 25 and turns 26 in October. I hated this pick. I hated this pick not because Jerry is bad, but because one expects a 24 year old man to be able to dominate college kids. I thought Jerry's potential was limited and that we has overvalued. He missed most of his rookie season, and so I am very interested in seeing how he plays. It is his second season and he is already nearing his athletic prime. Good? Bad? Plug and play or undermined by a shorter development curve? I don't know.

The Patriots drafted quite a few players I thought were quality prospects.

Patrick Chung

Loved his athleticism and awareness, but kid was super unpolished. There was a time I tracked every safety in every class, I was so desperate for Seattle to improve its talent. Chung was a personal favorite.

Taylor Price

With Golden Tate, my favorite wide receiver prospect from this last class. When I say favorite, I do not mean the one I think is the absolute best, though I think Price has the potential to be the best, but rather the best value for projected draft slot. Price fell to the third. I am very interested in how he develops. Like Roddy White and Michael Jenkins, I think his true talent might have been hidden by poor quarterback play.

Zac Robinson

Robinson is a funny story: He is attractive because of his tools and makeup, but he crumbled at the end of his senior season. So, tools and makeup or raw performance? Worth a 7th round pick anyway.

Brandon Spikes

Spikes is a classic "slow" player. He is slow, especially after about 20 yards. But people mistakenly conflate footspeed with athleticism. Spikes has a ton of tools, and excelled in college. I think he can be an All-Pro inside linebacker.

Ron Brace

Brace was the lesser half of the Brace - B.J. Raji duo. The two ruled at Boston College. Brace looked good, while Raji looked special. I was surprised when Raji worked his way into the top ten. Brace is interesting because teammates can improve teammates while not being flashy themselves. He seems like a classic trench warrior that people ignore, but consumes blocks while teammates make plays. I want to see if Brace was perhaps unheralded in the hype surrounding Raji.

Rob Gronkowski

Quintessential second-round pick: good tools, good production, great makeup--Quintessential Tim Ruskell second round pick. Gronkowski lacks a great ceiling, but he also seems likely to fulfill his potential. Just how valuable is that? And, in a sport so dominated by injuries, can a player ever be a safe pick?

Anyway, this is football paradise for me. So excuse me while I indulge.

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Jim Mora is on FOX tonight

Will Sam Baker not suck and play like a dirtbag tonight?

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm upset I didn't get a John Morgan article today

that relates to the Seahawks.

I’m inconsolable right now.

Enjoy the game, John. Whatcha drinkin’?

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 19, 2010 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Devin Moore (ex-Seahawk)

just had a great run against Buffalo on a punt return. Coulda been a TD.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I read that as Moore playing with the Bills

When in actuality it’s the Colts.

Remember when Forsett was a Colt for a week?

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad it was only that long.

I liked Forsett even before we cut him.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He definitely flashed some agility on that one.

I wonder if he was any better than Rankin can be…

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty, pretty pass by Trent Edwards.

Cmooooon Bills! (Jake Locker sweepstakes).

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait, am I allowed to have this be a Colts-Bills Open Thread too or no?

Is it annoying?

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spiller had a spectacular 31 yard TD run.

Haven’t seen a clip yet.

Gotta love cop speed.

by Culter on Aug 19, 2010 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

What was really spectacular about that run

Was the shitty Colts tackling.

Tho Spiller looked good too, yeah :P

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 19, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ultra predictable play action is ultra predictable

Come on, Bill. Where’s the wacky new college inspired playbook.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Though I liked that double screen pass

I wonder if Knapp has worked that one into the Texans playbook yet.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Off topic: what's up with your book's release date?

Unless I misread the automated email from Amazon, the release date got moved up to the end of August.

Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured

by TheLaird on Aug 19, 2010 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Moved up?

That’s better than moved back. Maybe they fear the season will be over by the end of September.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, up.

And yeah, it’s probably a good call to get it out right at the start of the season.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 19, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

They haven't taken into account Charlie Whitehurst healing us all

Screw it I want Whitehurst vs. Tebow in week 2. It would be the greatest thread in FG history.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

That thought had occurred to me.

Maybe they need to get it out while people are still buying Carroll’s book.

Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured

by TheLaird on Aug 19, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good defense

Slapped it through his hands. Not really a drop. Still, Gonzo makes that catch.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that sounds right.

And doesn’t appear to be slowing much.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 19, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably second of the past few decades

I don’t think “all time” is a meaningful moniker in football.

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 19, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree, so hard to compare players of different eras

How do you keep historical perspective in a game that evolves so much. Guys like Largent and Monk were dominating in their time, but now slot receivers can put up similar stats.

Personally, my list has Rice as #1, and then 5-6 guys like Carter, Bruce, Harrison, Moss and Tim Brown all hovering around in that 2nd tier.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sounds like blasphemy...

But I’d go as far to say that Moss in his prime was better than Jerry was at his best. Kind of like Barkley vs Malone. Malone had the better career, but when Barkley was firing on all cylinders, he was definitely the better player.

by Culter on Aug 19, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glug Glug?

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by bluemax on Aug 19, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be decided

My local Fred Meyer has a comparably good selection, but I’m a little burnt out on the Deschutes and the handful of other stuff they offer. Given the weather, I would think something like a pale or an IPA, or maybe a porter, but tough to find a good porter.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ended up with a Samuel Smith oatmeal stout

but it doesn’t exactly jive with my peanut butter and pickle sandwich.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 19, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will vouch for anything Stone

And the Hop Czar is tasty if you like Hops as much as the name would imply.

by Moresoftness on Aug 19, 2010 7:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's a quality porter, if not one of their best beers

I am cool with a crap ton of hops, if it’s balanced. Nothing worse than a bad, overpowering hop attack with no body.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man I love NFL Gamepass

I can just replay something like Brady getting sacked over and over if there’s stuff I want to see, rather than depend on the replay.

Also that was a terrible call.

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 19, 2010 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Aaron Hernandez

aka the guy besides Harvin who made Tebow look good in college

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by bluemax on Aug 19, 2010 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of him

The anchor on Sportscenter twice said Tebow’s home debut this weekend against the Seahawks was in doubt due to his rib injury.

Didn’t know we were playing two teams.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its ESPN

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by bluemax on Aug 19, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know football season is back

When Joe Buck’s smarmy self is in midseason form.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:05 PM PDT reply actions  

All my meth knowledge comes from Breaking Bad

And spying on my neighbors ….

So look for stuff that’s blue, and always remember to have a spotter, to make sure you pass out on your side.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're right, my bad

But still solid advice, no matter what your poison.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a coworker sell me on meth

He had since quit, but he talked about it wistfully. Crack too. Always a strange conversation.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

British teeth myth

Brits have very healthy teeth. That just don’t care about them being 100% straight and totally white, like American teeth. Or Klan rallies.

by Jason_D on Aug 20, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not passing up an excuse to post this:

Hedley & Wyche, The British Toothpaste.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 20, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok so the new rule says once a players helmet is knocked off the play is stopped.

So does that mean if someone breaks away that a D-Lineman could just grabs someone close to him helmet and rip it off to stop the play?

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 19, 2010 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Dunno - I thought it had to be a player close to the action

I completely understand the reasoning behind the rule. But I soon as I heard about it …. I just know it’s going to affect the ’Hawks somehow this year, likely in a crucial moment, and take away a potentially game changing play from us. .

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe it's the ball carrier only.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if he could think that fast, it probably wouldn't help.

I’ve read much of the exciting prose that is the NFL rulebook. The officials are allowed to award a touchdown instead of penalty yards if a blatant violation warrants it.

The rulebook gives an example of a player breaking free for a touchdown, with no defenders to stop him, and then being tackled short by someone who jumps onto the field from the opponent’s sideline. I think the situations are similar enough.

by Jason_D on Aug 20, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of the Megan variety...?

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dang.

I have an extra vertebrae, but I think you’ve got one up on me.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've never seen a shovel pass work.

I have seen one picked off though, that was kinda cool.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 19, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather not.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was picked

Right near the end zone when it was 31-20.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pink tie

I hate you, Joe.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Wilson was ripe for a pick

I bet you when we cut Losman the Falcons pick him up.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Mora

excited about the Fox attitude.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Mora.

Now hated everywhere he goes.

by Anticitizen_One on Aug 19, 2010 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Pretty sure Mora remembers every perceived slight he's ever suffered

And has an explanation about how it really wasn’t his fault … and that he’s totally over now. No, really, he’s fine. He’s moved on. he has better things to do than to keep rehashing it.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still can't believe he got into it with Hasselbeck on twitter

when Matt made a harmless tweet about Carlson having a big year in 2010.

by Culter on Aug 19, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luckily Mora is doing Falcons/Steelers

So we avoid him for our season opener.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I will never get sick of watching that Boise St guy go down.

But yeah, shame on Blount and all that.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

In case it didn't come across in print, I meant that to have the appropriate sarcastic tone.

It always cracks me up when commentators talk like Blount’s the bad guy while they show that clip The Boise St. guy is looking so douchetastic that you want to cheer when Blount takes him down.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I caught your facetiousness brah, and was piling on

Dude, exactly. I have no sympathy for that lineman, being a hundred pounds heavier and maybe half a brain lighter than Blount. Personally I’m just impressed that he got that punch off so cleanly.

by Anticitizen_One on Aug 19, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither will I

the guy Blount punched went to my rival high school.

by Trepidation on Aug 19, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

SHOCKED THEY SAY!

Players punch each other all the time in practice.

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 19, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOU WON"T BELIEVE WHAT THE COACH HAD TO SAY!

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 19, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just you.

I need to be seriously high to watch that movie.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going.

But not with you.

Just watched the original the other night (finally on DVD). Corman-tastic.

by djafrot on Aug 19, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's scrub time now

So I shall announce I have 2 more teeth than a normal human being.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Dang.

I’ve got an extra vertebrae, but you’ve probably got one up on me there.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

This thread needs more Seahawks talk.

I’m going to break things if Forsett doesn’t get the start on Saturday.

by Culter on Aug 19, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Also seconded.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should be a feast or famine performance by Hasselbeck.

He talked about needing to come out with more energy, and I can’t see a fired up Hasselbeck playing it safe.

by Culter on Aug 19, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Erick Williams said the first team O & D will play most of the first half.

“Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll said the first unit offense and defense will play more this Saturday against Green Bay, so expect them to play close to a half of football.”

Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/08/19/closing-time-at-camp-carroll/#ixzz0xCbsR7sU

by Culter on Aug 19, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh good

I really need to see more of Hass. I rewatched the last game and holy hell did he look uninspiring.

by djafrot on Aug 19, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seconded.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Giordano

Sporting some white man hustle.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Kolb can succeed

If Reid avoids the “50 pass gameplan”. I mean, he has to run the ball now, right?

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 7:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone see Brohm?

Has his arm strength vanished? Notice his line looks very dink and dunk.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Any of you older guys have any health deficiencies because of the way you ate in college?

Because my body is beginning to tell me that I should stop eating this Top Ramen and start treating it like the chief enemy of my stomach lining.

by Anticitizen_One on Aug 19, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I only ate poorly my freshman year

then I moved into an apartment and learned to cook

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by bluemax on Aug 19, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice fucking move.

The DB was like WTF!?!? and the safety in the middle just thought he was going to go outside.

Great awareness.

by djafrot on Aug 19, 2010 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel so much better

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Aug 19, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We've got Minnesota next week

And Favre will probably be playing.

So do we do the NFL a favor by having Nick Reed cut off his limbs or do we let him off easy?

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 19, 2010 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Reed is impersonating Favre

after Favre’s tragic and unreported death in 2008.

by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

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