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Player Sketches from Seahawks-Titans: Matt Hasselbeck

Housh ran a slant and Hasselbeck found him for 10 yards. A good play, but, unfortunately, the highlight of Matt's game.

There is good news and bad news for Matt Hasselbeck. I'll start with the good.

Jeremy Bates will tailor his offense to what Hasselbeck can do. Not entirely, but perhaps enough to help Hasselbeck have a rebound season. Bates ran a kind of play-action slant with both Hasselbeck and Charlie Whitehurst. The line baits the defensive line and linebackers one direction by simulating a run block. The quarterback then turns and passes a slant to the opposite side of the field.

Hasselbeck squeezed ten yards out of well-timed slant to T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The bad news is that may be the highlight of his game. He started with three straight targets directed at Branch. Hasselbeck missed his first attempt, but Branch had negligible separation. He then hit Branch for four on second and ten. That set up third and long. Branch came back aggressively on a hook route, a developing trend in Bates' offense, and converted.

Routes that come back aggressively for the ball will help Hasselbeck, because in his first game of 2010 and presumably fully healthy, Hasselbeck displayed much of the same deficient arm strength that has undermined him the past two seasons. Bates regularly employs five or six blockers to keep the quarterback clean, but the resulting deficit of open receivers means more crowded coverage and tighter windows. Hasselbeck was 0-3 on passes that included six blockers.

One was a botched tight end screen underneath. This is the other problem: Hasselbeck has never excelled at passing underneath. The screen did not fail because Hasselbeck misfired targeting Chris Baker. Baker started by blocking the defensive end and at the crucial moment where he had to drop the block and separate into a pattern, he couldn't and thus he was completely blanketed. Hasselbeck sent the ball turfward in frustration. However Justin Forsett was wide open in the left flat, and when the screen began to break down, Hasselbeck killed it rather than improvise.

It was a rotten showing for Matt. He didn't show significantly improved arm strength. Hasselbeck showed little willingness to pass down field, and one of his few "deep" attempts was tipped away by a reeling 5'11" linebacker with maybe 20 inches of air: Stephen Tulloch. He didn't show a better grasp of or ability to execute the offense. Bates worked in some short patterns, but it was a complementary piece of the offense rather than the foundation. It was 11 pass attempts mixed with a broken rush attack and thus nothing like conclusive, but it mirrored last season. Facing much of the same competition - the Titans started and stuck with a backup infused defense - Whitehurst was head and shoulders better than and better able to execute than Matt Hasselbeck. If this is a competition, Hasselbeck better break late.

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Look at Matt, throwing slants to Housh

This is the high point of his game. It’s all downhill from here.

by SeahawksFanInNY on Aug 20, 2010 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Hasselbeck's looked so much better in camp than Whitehurst, I'm reticent

to chalk that performance up to his age-related decline. It’s just such a remarkable disparity, for Whitehurst to look so much better than Hasselbeck. The game is faster than practice. But no gameplan. I know no one here is drawing conclusions from the game, but really even taking it as an indication is iffy.

3 more games could convince me before week 1 arrives, if it continues to be both this bad, and the disparity this stark. But otherwise I’ll wait til week 1 to even know what to think.

by jacobstevens on Aug 20, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

It's not just one game though.

We’ve been seeing this for two years now.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 20, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I have chocked up the arm strength, or apparent lack there of, to injuries. Now I’m wondering if it is just gone.

by stufr on Aug 20, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to believe it's because of his disc issues

I’m not a medical expert or anything, but the dip in his arm strength would seem to be related to the fact that we really noticed it the year after he had issues with his bulging disc.

It’s either that or he’s suddenly got dead-arm. I haven’t seen it happen that often with NFL QB’s, but it does happen.

by Catoblepas on Aug 20, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but..

THIS much of a drop off, dj? I mean, his passes are fluttering, like wounded ducks. I understand that Matt’s never had a huge arm to begin with and so there’s not a lot in terms of reserves when his arm strength does start to fade, but this is a fairly dramatic drop off. I think Kyle Orton might throw a prettier ball than Hasselbeck at this point, and that guy is like Noodle-arm King.

by Catoblepas on Aug 20, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

His passes have looked liked that for 2 years now.

I thought his armstrength actually looked a little better in the preseason game than it had in years past.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 20, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not as good as his game against the Rams in Week 1.

But hey, 1 quarter is a small sample size.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's easy to dismiss anything else and be certain

under that premise because with time you’re guaranteed to be right. I hope I don’t read like I’m in denial of that. I know this isn’t the first post of mine you’ve read. But anyway, to be clear, yeah, I get that. QBs decline with age.

I just don’t think it’s so simple. While accepting that general progression, performance isn’t linear according to age. Unless you pull out to a macro enough scale. So within the same month, to see Hasselbeck look better in play, and have arm strength, and Whitehurst somewhat struggle, and then in-game, Hasselbeck struggle and Whitehurst play well, I’m not doubting age-related decline. I just have a hard time seeing it as the main factor in the reciprocal disparity of their performances.

Within that greater context of him declining, Hasselbeck’s looked really good in minicamp and training camp — and I’m talking physical form and arm strength — compared to last year. Including pre-Willis hit.

So once again I wonder, how the difference in practice could be stark, and the difference in a game reverse and remain stark. I’m not giving answers, I’m just questioning.

by jacobstevens on Aug 20, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't have anything to do with age. Hasselbeck has not had sufficient armstrength for two years.

I know we’ve heard good stuff about him in practice, but how is that different than the “greatest shape of his life” comments we hear all the time? And most of the comments that I heard about Hasselbeck was that the offense as a whole looked crisper, not that he was zipping balls around like it was 2005 all over again.

 I get that Whitehurst exceeded expectations but being surprised when Hasselbeck still has a noodle arm doesn’t make much sense.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 20, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I am going off my own eyes, not media reports

I never made it to an open practice. Just clips. I don’t consider my own eyes irrefutable or anything, but I just noticed a difference, from last year, in Hasselbeck’s arm, this year.

I tried to get a handle on whether I thought his poor performance on Saturday was because of arm strength. I couldn’t tell. I just know he played poorly.

So, you’re already operating under the understanding that he’s still got a noodle arm. I’m just waiting for more certainty.

by jacobstevens on Aug 20, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its called facing actual pressure.

If Happy Feet Hasselbeck doesn’t get his legs set to throw he has no Arm strength.

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 20, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The opposite was what I was the most suprised with Whitehurst

He moved in the pocket with ease. He stepped up and moved with his eyes down field. He has a gun no matter what, but his ability to sense pressure was execellent. I didn’t expect that and I hope it continues.

by stufr on Aug 20, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Carroll even feels like he has enough cover to demote the Good Guy Local Hero

He would sulk, to be sure. I think Matt has to look like an almost total disaster and Whitehurst the next coming of Tom Brady for Matt to see the bench. Happy to be wrong, but.

by lemonverbena on Aug 20, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I doubt he'd sulk publically

Guy’s a team player.

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Aug 20, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll be curious to see the playing time split this weekend

The staff seemed happy to give Whitehurst the lion’s share of the snaps during the Titans game. Which makes sense, as Losman is (well, in my uneducated opinion at least) a marginal player at best and not a real threat to move up the depth chart, and Hass is still the presumptive starter and has an injury history. However, Hass did not look good. He looked…slow…and frankly, bad. Perhaps the staff will give him more snaps this weekend in an effort to get his confidence and level of play up? 10 pass attempts is an awfully small sample size, but again, he didn’t look good.

by Kingdomer on Aug 20, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Carroll was quoted a day or so ago

Saying the starters would be on the field for longs against the Packers. I think it was the same interview when he said Leon would play, as well.

I hope our starters play the entirety of the first half. Things aren’t quite clicking yet, and they have three games left to get everything sorted out.

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 20, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope so too.

It seems like the starters definitely need time to get in rhythm. It will be good to Washington play at game speed and take some hits too. Fingers crossed that either Matt or Charlie plays lights out and this doesn’t become a real controversy.

by Kingdomer on Aug 20, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I rewatched the game the other night, and Charlie looked head and shoulders above Matt.

I thought maybe the offense had been dumbed down for Charlie, but upon second (and third, and fourth) looks, Matt wasn’t making any reads after the snap either. Most plays looked specifically designed to target a particular receiver, whether that receiver was making a read himself is a different scenario.

Matt’s arm strength is noticeably weaker than it used to be, and substantially weaker than Charlie’s. In an offense that features what looks (to me) be a focus on quick passes to designated targets, that’s deadly. Charlie can force a ball in there while Matt cannot.

by djafrot on Aug 20, 2010 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Charlie's TD laser to McCoy nearly made me weep.

(with joy)

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 20, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I said a few weeks ago

It’s very possible Hasselbeck shows no improvement in the preseason and loses his starting job. Tomorrow is the day for me to determine if he still has it. If Hasselbeck struggles and Whitehurst does well again then I think they have to bench Matt for the Vikings game because:

A.) It’s inevitable Matt will get sacked early and often if not injured to the point of removal.

B.) They need to see how Whitehurst does with the first team offense.

And not to sound crude, but I think I want Hasselbeck to be benched just to see the media reaction. (IT’S THE LINE’S FAULT! IT’S TIM RUSKELL’S FAULT! HE’S THE GREATEST QB IN SEAHAWKS HISTORY! Just give him an offensive line and he’ll be fine for 3-4 years because he’s Matt Hasselbeck! Bring back Holmgren!)

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 20, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Who knows, Hasselbeck could be a Viking next year =P

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 20, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know you're joking

But I honestly hope Hasselbeck retires after this season.

Here’s my vision of a perfect year or us:

  • Seahawks win the NFC West through a top 10 running game and a top 5 defense. Matt Hasselbeck is in 2006 form.
  • The process continues all the way to the Super Bowl where the Seahawks play the #1 rush and pass defense in the NFL, the Baltimore Ravens. Hasselbeck plays like crap as expected and Haloti N’gata delivers a crushing sack in the 2nd quarter with the Seahawks down 14-0, taking him out of the game.
  • Charlie Whitehurst comes in and tears the Ravens D apart and throws 2 TD passes en route to a 28-17 victory. Whitehurst wins Super Bowl MVP and becomes our new franchise QB. Hasselbeck’s game injuries are found out to be minor but after taking so much punishment in the Super Bowl he decides to hang ’em up once and for all.

Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.

by SSreporters on Aug 20, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

what happened to the Patriots basically?

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Aug 20, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or a Jaguar.

Or a Bill.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see this, absolutely.

How funny would it be to see the Browns’ lineup at QB as McCoy, Hass, Seneca?

by djafrot on Aug 20, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Seneca could learn not to sack himself (not bloody likely),

I think he’d be above Matt on the Browns roster.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pressure

The play that stood out to me, comparing Whitehurst with Hasselbeck, was the one where Whitehurst was in the midst of a rapidly collapsing pocket and got the ball out for a shortish pass over the middle. I think it was to Forsett, who ran for a good gain.

It actually startled me, because I’m so used to Hasselbeck tucking and taking the sack in those situations. Whitehurst stood in there and threw a dart. It’s understandable for Hasselbeck to be a bit skittish in the pocket, what with the poor protection and his injury history. But if Whitehurst can have even a half second more of effective throwing time before he succumbs to pressure, that’s an enormous benefit as long as he doesn’t take it too far and cause fumbles.

by jeager on Aug 20, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

The one to Ganther, I think, was the best.

Charlie sensed pressure, stepped up a little, wiggled to his left, then sidearmed a perfect pass around a DT to Ganther (I think) on a crossing route.

Pretty.

by djafrot on Aug 20, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't Knapp try and tailor his offense to Hasselbeck last year?

Or did Knapp just realize Matt was awful and lose all faith in him?

by MFAN on Aug 20, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Neither.

I think he had overblown faith Hasselbeck to adapt to his system. Then deferred to Hass when the going got rough (i.e. Lions game).

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

faith in*

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay I'm just gonna rewrite that first sentence:

I think he trusted Matt too much, thinking Matt was good enough to adapt to his system completely.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt called a lot of those plays.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

and chose the outlet on others when he could've gone downfield.

Ack too much double-posting.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

It seemed so bloody unlikely to see a true QB competition develop. Especially with the typical smug “Whitehurst sucks” reports from training camp (always take those with a grain of salt).

Still, I’d be shocked to see anyone other than Hasselbeck start…

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 20, 2010 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I actually am more interested in seeing Whitehurst do it a second time

He wasn’t consistant in college, so I want to see him do it again. I think Matt is done, but CW will have to show a couple of preseason games like that before there is really a competition.

by stufr on Aug 20, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, my wondering is less in response to what Whitehurst did...

and more a reaction to the (lack of) everything Matt showed. I love the guy to pieces, but he’s looked in mid-(2008,2009)-season form.

by SgtSasquatch on Aug 20, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I find this particular quote disturbing...
Jeremy Bates will tailor his offense to what Hasselbeck can do.

Given what we have seen, based on his arm strength, that right there tells me that there’s a good portion left of Bates’ playbook that will be ‘prohibited’ based on throws Hass cannot consistently make. If that’s the case, isn’t Charlie Christ the better QB to run this system?

by Catoblepas on Aug 20, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Physically, absolutely.

Mobile, strong arm. Perfectly suited.

by djafrot on Aug 20, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the major reason the 1st string is supposed to stay in for so long next game

is to give Whitehurst a chance with the 1st string offense.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Aug 20, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I would think that Carroll and Bates have this all planned out and I would imagine it...

goes something like this: Hass starts as he is the incumbent starter and obvious fan-favorite. With little pressure on the coaching staff to “win now” this is the safe decision for a few reasons.
1) If Hass does well and we win games, thats great- Carroll and Bates look great and show they could do what Mora and Knapp could not.
2) In the event Hass gets hurt they can now insert Whitehurst into the starting lineup without dealing with any sort of controversy or any kind of benching of a “Seahawks Great.”
- If Whitehurt struggles then Hass takes back over when he gets healthy, and if Whitehurst shines then he continues to start using the reasoning that you dont mess with a good thing (similar “situation” to Brady/Bledsoe. Again, im not comparing the players just possible situation.
3) If Hass does struggle badly, and Seattle does not win many games early on- they “go in a different direction” and allow Whitehurst to “compete” for the job.
*Again, this is all with the idea that Seattle is not supposed to or expected to win this season anyway and the coaches have the luxury of giving Hass a parting shot at keeping his job and expecting that an opportunity for Whitehurst will come early this season as well.

by sdoebele on Aug 20, 2010 7:01 PM PDT reply actions  

This is almost exactly what I said the other day.

It’s pretty much the only way they can play it.

by djafrot on Aug 20, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Hass the fan favorite?

As I’ve been watching these games in puplic the last three years the phrase I hear the most is, “fucking Hasselbeck”. Coach Carrol cannot afford to lose this team early. If Hass doesn’t step it up I don’t think he’ll start against the 49ers.

by JasterBaster on Aug 20, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fans bad-talk players, fans boo players- happens in every city....

but I dont think that shows he is not the fan favorite. I can guarantee fans all over Minnesota were saying- “that f-ing Favre” after he threw the season ending interception last year against N.O.- and I would put all my money on him still being the fan favorite to start there. And again, I am not comparing the two players because there is no comparison.

I think you would be hard-pressed to find a majority of the Seahawks fans who would rather have Whitehurst or Losman starting instead of Hass TO START the season- especially before everyone jumped on the CW bandwagon after his performance last weekend….amazing how some of the same people who were questioning the trade for Whitehurst when it happened are now asking how can this guy NOT start after a good showing against a poor second team Titans defense. (not pointing this at anyone in particular here- but I have been reading a lot of blogs and article since the end of last season) That being said- I have liked the CW move from the beginning and am not ignorant enough to sit here and believe or say I know nearly as much about what makes a good quarterback than the people who makes those decisions and evaluations for a living- again, not pointing this remark at anyone in particular with regards to this post.

by sdoebele on Aug 20, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

A bad game can be forgiven- but after several years of bad games?

Perhaps I’m just around alot of pissy fans here in Eastern WA. Still, Hass has given us little to like these past few years. Farve had a great season last year but got the shit kicked out of him by the Saints. I was surprised that he stayed in the game. The comparison is weak. I personally don’t know any fans who are defending Hass. I like the guy- but he has no arm anymore. It’s the overall lack of accuracy that concerns me. I too find the CW bandwagon filled with past haters funny. I think the preseason will decide. If Hass continues to suck CW must start.

by JasterBaster on Aug 21, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

overall i would agree with your assessment-

That being said, I would like to see Whitehurst start the season as our starting QB- I think Hass has shown that he has progressively gotten weaker, more inconsistent and more fragile and it is time for a change, and this is a perfect year to make that change. However, I would not be suprised to see Seattle start the season with Hass as the starting QB and like I mentioned above stay in that role if he is successful or find his way to the bench by week 3 or 4 if he struggles and the Hawks lose 2 of their first 3 games. But I do believe Hass will start week 1 vs the 49ers- right or wrong, earned or unearned PC will make that move and I think we could see a change early on if he does poorly. I can only hope that if Matt does struggle, that Charlie will come in right away and do well and not put Seattle in a position of possibly making another QB change either to Losman or back to Hasselbeck….inconsistency at the QB position would be a season-killer for a team without a dominating running game or dominating defense.

by sdoebele on Aug 21, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

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