Postgame: Seahawks 24 - Packers 27
by John Morgan on Aug 21, 2010 10:40 PM PDT
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Big Winners
Matt Hasselbeck: The results speak for themselves, but the foundation of those results: stepping into throws, mid-range zip, comfort within the system, are what Seahawks fans have waited to see.
Jon Ryan: I have no idea how repeatable pinning a punt within the 20 is, but that's three for Ryan. Also, same old boom and so far no big returns.
Marcus Trufant: Trufant is a great cover corner and he's developed ability as a run stuffer as he's aged. He looked agile, tough and, more than anything, himself.
Mike Williams: Williams received for fewer total yards than in week one, but he did it through regular separation. Four receptions is encouraging. Continued good work as a route runner is encouraging. Catching it along the sideline is flashing the concentration and athleticism that once made him special.
Winners
Leon Washington: Four rushes do not typically mean a whole heap of a lot, but Washington is undoubtedly the fastest Seahawks rusher through the hole and that is why Gibbs zone-blocking system seems to work when he gets the ball.
Roy Lewis: Steady, sound and playing his way onto someone's roster.
Dexter Davis: Davis should see snaps with the first team defense. He might already be the team's best or second best Leo.
T.J. Houshmandzadeh: We know Housh can do this stuff, but it's good to see the guy looking fast, explosive and powerful after off-season surgery.
Ben Obomanu: Continued strong special teams play earns him a spot, but end around shows he's capable of more.
Undetermined
Charlie Whitehurst: Second pick was an unlucky bounce on an accurate pass that ate up Anthony McCoy. He was out of rhythm all game, not dropping and passing, but milling and throwing off his back foot and against his momentum.
Golden Tate: It was another mostly quiet game for Tate. He is raw. Super raw. But it's good to see some fire after taking a shot.
Mansfield Wrotto: Wrotto was pretty solid, that's undeniable, but was he solid because he has improved or was he solid because he was a change of pace? It will be interesting to see what he does if Okung is forced to miss any time.
Deon Butler: Butler can give you a little extra in space, but he really needs to show some consistent production for it to mean much of anything.
Tyjuan Hagler: Commentators got it into their head after Hagler's gimme interception that Hagler was all over the place. Minus the interception, Hagler was one somersaulting tackle from being Joe Pawelek.
Losers
Russell Okung: Hope the ankle injury is minor and Okung was rushed back as a precaution. He didn't play poorly, but injury is injury.
Kentwan Balmer: Ankle injury. Too bad too, because he looked like he had his fight on.
John Carlson: Struggled finding separation. Consistently covered tight and that led to drops.
Big Losers
Julius Jones: His speed through the hole is still mismatched for this system. He would make a good third down back, but I'm not sure Seattle will use him in that capacity.
Aaron Curry: Bull. China Shop. Curry is a smart kid. He showed awareness at Wake Forest. I'm not sure if he's a slow learner or just tuned out.
J.P. Losman: Two quarterbacks.
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Big Losers: starting pass rush
I know it’s Aaron Rodgers, but jeez….he had enough time to read War & Peace cover-to-cover back there. And it’s not like the Packers o-line is anything special.
My disappointment in the defense is offset by my optimism in Hass N’ Crew.
by J.L. White on Aug 21, 2010 10:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
The first string pass rush was horrible…
by Richard Simmons on Aug 21, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
And it showed against our secondary at times. He is Aaron Rodgers though, so I’ll cut some slack.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Aug 22, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially that first play...
Reminded me of Schaub to Johnson…
by PerryCollective on Aug 21, 2010 11:00 PM PDT reply actions
really hope Okung is healthy
If Hasselbeck can start the season like he played today we might have a shot to start hot.
Pass rush from the starting d-line has looked absolutely putrid since the start of 2008, I’ve gotten used to it at this point.
X-rays negative on Okung
MRI tomorrow; Carroll concedes “possibility” of high ankle sprain:
http://twitter.com/dannyoneil
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
I see "Seahawk-itis" has even spread to our prized rookie
I hope we don’t enter into a third year of various and game-missing injuries. The only one I don’t fear for is Leon Washington, because doctors put a fucking STEEL ROD into his leg.
Was i seeing things
or did the O line give a decent effort without Okung?
the starting O line had a rough start but a good second quarter
It looked to me like they are improving in leaps and bounds under Coach Gibbs.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
The starting defense looks really bad
The “wating for Capt. Tatupu” to turn it around., is beginning to scare me…Tats was in decline even before he was hurt all the time
by Richard Simmons on Aug 21, 2010 11:11 PM PDT reply actions
Mebane was out too
Terrill or Pitcock at the 3 are no replacement for Mebane.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
The starting defense looks really "Plain"
I’m reserving the “bad” moniker until I see some blitz packages fail consistently. This current setup smacks (to me at least), of Carroll wanting to see what physical tools he has to work with before throwing “kitchen sink” blitzes at anybody.
There is no need to expose our blitzing strategies in the pre-season.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
PS: Screen name isn't what you think it means.
by iverson2169 on Aug 21, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It certainly looked plain.
I only noticed a couple of blitzes, forcing a couple of incompletions in the middle of the game.
Hagler
Yeah, the color commentating on this guy’s performance was a tad bit overclocked, IMO, and by some of the fan reactions I’m seeing on other forums, it would seem we’ve got ourselves a new starter in Hagler.
I thought he had a decent game, but let’s be real. The guy is a 5 year vet, going on 6. He knows the league well enough now based on his experience. He SHOULD look like all-pro during scrubtime. Viable backup? Sure, quite possibly.
Dex Davis
Another strong showing. The 7th round has been fairly good to us the last few years. I know it’s early, and this is going to come off as being horribly knee-jerkish on my part, but Dexter Davis is looking like the kind of player that we need Curry to become.
I don't think we are very good yet...
Ones against ones, that team we put on the field tonight would lose to the Packers we saw, 5 times out of 5.
We can’t run worth a damn yet, D was swiss cheese against their ones. My impression is that our guards just cannot anchor at all. They can move, but they have no sand in their pants when they have to stand ground. I thought Wrotto was better than I would have predicted if I had known he was going to play all game, but Wrotto and Locklear are our tackles now? Sheeesh….
Individually, I’m starting to wonder about Curry myself. He does not make plays, looks lost, hesitant and late to the party on virtually every play that involves any reading on his part at all. He’s very vocal on the sidelines teaching the rookies, but they are making more plays than he is by a wide margin.
Don’t think Clemons showed anything.
Would like to see Davis with the ones. Roy Lewis is better than I thought. Charlie came down to earth, and Matt improved significantly.
These close scores may be masking a pretty bad team. Although I trust the staff ain’t fooled.
The Packers are a damn good team
but I wouldn’t pass judgment just yet on our team overall, at least in terms of exactly how good we’ll be once the season starts. We do not appear to be in the same class as the Packers though, that is quite visible to me. That is a deep team, quite possible the NFC representative of this year’s Super Bowl.
They're very good.
And their strengths are particularly suited to fucking us up. Their great run defense makes us totally one dimensional, and without a pass rush we have no chance against someone like Rodgers.
Rogers looked like a surgeon back there...
seemed to move the chains almost effortlessly.
He's one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL right now, IMO
And he’s got all sorts of weapons at his disposal.
It sure helps when we match little Jennings against 6'5" guys in the red zone.
Ugh. Put Mike Williams out there instead. He does have a number 1.
Preseason D
Most teams play pretty vanilla D, or just experiment in preseason. Our Defense was pretty vanilla tonight. Not sure who had the TE on the TD pass to Finley, (or who was supposed to have the TE.)
Trufant looked awesome, which was a good sign, the secondary really missed him last year. It would be nice to see everyone healthy. I thought McCoy played pretty well, and he could be a pretty decent reserve LB. I think the team is set at LB, that seem to have a lot of talent there. Hopefully they can do something with it.
I agree but...
There was a lot of blown coverage, especially by the LBs. It seemed like the DBs and LBs were running different plays at time, not working together, creating massive seems for WRs and especially the TE.
I’ll attribute our ineffective pass rush to vanilla though, at least at times. Most of what we were doing up front was straight up pin the ears, not much stunting or creativity.
The Packers have an elite Rushing Defense.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009100500/2009/REG4/packers@vikings
Week 4 2009 Regular Season
Adrian Peterson (The real one) 25 Carries for 55 Yards (2.2YpC) 1TD.
ones against ones?
total Hawk fan… and it’s hard to be in your mid-40’s and not love the Packers too… I agree with the overall statement above – we are NOT very good yet, but… ones against ones?
the most frightening thing about last night’s performance by our starting offense (though Matt looked much better) is that the GB ‘starting’ offense was missing at least 5 of their pro-bowl level starters… and they still held us to 3-&-out on the first possession, and prevented deep threat, and held us to 75 yards rushing. the real test would’ve been against Bigby, Woodson, an all of the other starters.
On the other side of the ball, I cannot believe the level of individual talent we have yet we cannot field a cohesive starting defensive unit to save our lives. gunna be a long, rebuilding, season.
My girlfriends new favorite player is fat Lewis
I can’t remember his first name, but he’s #96. He looked like shit all game. His fat ass was constantly on the ground or he was insanely late to the tackle. It seemed like every time we saw him on the field we started laughing. The bad D was masked by him, so big thanks to fat Lewis.
Jonatahan Lewis.
Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.
Ferdinand.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Earl Thomas looked good
Great range and actual ball skills. He got beat early, but I’ll give that to Rogers as opposed to knocking ET. If that ball is anything other than a leap away from Jennings, which ensured no run after the catch, then ET is in the play. After that he showed good range and was actually helpfull.
I know it's the preseason
But Curry has nearly lost himself the “Roaming Death Machine” moniker. We’re going to have to change it to “Wandering Perplexed Machine” or “Roaming Looking-For-a-Play Machine”.
That's the thing though
It seems like the “Vanilla D” was confusing him. God help us when we get to Cherry Garcia. or Dublin Mudslide. Hopefully I’m wrong. I’ll just wait for John to tell me what to think instead of thinkin’ me own thoughts.
by DJ C-Raig on Aug 22, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its better to just stay in a dark round room sitting in the corner eating vinegar with a spoon
That way you will never worry about Curry actually playing decent or Okung’s ankle.
The other option is alcohol. I prefer dirty vodka martini’s and when I say dirty I mean crack whore street walker dirty.
I like "Wandering Perplexed Machine"
I am so incredibly bummed about Curry. He seems as if he is trying hard on the field. Dunno about study habits off the field (e.g. playbook and film study). It sure is a head-scratcher that one of the best talents coming out of school in a decade, a “safe pick”, a guy with a “high floor” is struggling so much. I know when I am thinking about things too much, whether it is hoops, tennis, golf, or whatever, I play like Betty White on crack with a bad hip, so maybe Curry just needs more time learning the scheme, less time thinking and more time just letting his natural athlete come out. However, as some have commented, it seems he is lacking the skills to go with his tools (cover skills, hand-fighting, swim-move, etc.) — in college, his strength and speed allowed him to dominate. Unfortunately for him, the competition in the NFL is much stronger and faster, and he just is making zero impact.
Our luck with strong contributions from first picks continues to be awful, from Tubb’s knees to Spencer’s mediocracy to Kelly (I’m to small to play the ball), to LoJack to Okung’s ankle). At least Tru is back and Thomas looks to be the real deal.
And last night, we looked fully the part of a bottom-tier team playing a top-tier team. Not to be a negative nelly, but we will be overachieving to get to 8-8 this year. Who knows what the score might have been of the 1st stringers played the whole game. We just don’t put near the same level of talent on the field as Green Bay, and coaching will only take us so far.
He still plays OLB pretty good. I want him put back over the TE.
Just not a DE in the 3-point stance.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Aug 23, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Mare?
Anybody remember when Mare was injured and tried to play for NO? He had a bad year, made just under 59% of his FGs. Maybe he’d been injured in ’06 when he was still with MIA? Does anybody know the extent of the “calf” (?) injury, or is Stitser (sp?) it for the season?
They made it sound like it wasn't a big deal
Like it was just nagging him and not a full up injury. Having someon else come in and kick was more of a precaution.
Stitser did have the coolest PAT kicks ever.
Did Lofa play?
Also did the offense look completely different with Whitehurst then Hasselbeck. (Play calling not ineffectiveness)
Watching Whitehurst right now.
Nothing stands out to me that made him look worse then last week. Ya he was on his back foot often but he also had a ton of pressure. I just really want to see him with the 1st team offense now.
Agreed. Whitehurst didn't look as stellar last week as was hyped, and he played better than the 2 ints indicate this week
He did seem to lock onto and stare-down his receivers this week a bit more, but on the other hand, was highly mobile and threw some pretty balls. His pocket presence seems to be improving a bit. Hopefully, the coaches will make progress with him on surveying the field better and more decisive decision making. He certainly has the physical ability, just needs to make strides on the mental aspect of the game. Much like…..Aaron Curry. BTW, anyone have any idea why Curry doesn’t show up on any of the box scores? (Sea Times, ESPN, etc.?)
Couple of those Deep balls that Tate couldn't pull in.
Were nicely thrown as well.
by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 22, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Curry showed up on a lot of the box scores last year.
For example, in the Jags game, he had, 9 tackles, a sack, a forced fumble, a pass defensed, and a quarterback hit.
I really believe that games like that will be the norm for him. I still believe that he is a difference maker, just not when he lines up in a 3-point stance.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Aug 23, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Hehe - I didn't mean figuratively, I meant literarily, Aaron didn't show up on the box score
We played a host of people on defense, and everyone is there (even with zeros for tackles, etc.), but no Aaron Curry. It was a literal question, not a pejorative swipe at him. :)
Check it out:
http://scores.seattletimes.nwsource.com/fb/boxscore.asp?gamecode=20100821026&home=26&vis=9&final=true
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300821026
Odd, eh? I mean, sure he may not have had any tackles or assists or sacks, or passes defended, but neither did Cox or Gibson according to the Seattle Times, and they are in there…
It was an honest question.
That was my initial impression as well.
One of the main things that I wanted to see was how he responded after his really dumb interception. I was pleased to see how he forgot about it and moved on.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Aug 23, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
As much as I want to pay attention to the 2010 draft
Curry, Butler, and Unger need to start performing well or Tim Ruskell’s last draft as far as player selection will end up being his worst.
Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.
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