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On Mansfield Wrotto at Left Tackle

Green Bay drafted Clay Matthews to assist their conversion to a 3-4. It worked. In a statistical coincidence someone has surely misinterpreted, Matthews had 10 sacks in 2009 and the Packers 37 after only 27 in 2008. Interesting coincidence aside, Matthews is the team's best edge rusher, best pass rusher and the only Packer able to test Mansfield Wrotto in any meaningful way.

Matthews appeared at some point but did not start and was absent from most of Saturday's contest. Wrotto survived. He stepped up big, playing the entire game and proving steady. Wrotto survived a very low level of competition, and though I do not want to take anything away from his fortitude, crediting Wrotto with anything but surviving against a very low level of competition is a misrepresentation of his performance.

He mostly squared off against Brandon Chillar. Chillar is sort of a bigger, better 3-4 Will Herring. He's a do-all linebacker that won some snaps from A.J. Hawk in nickel packages. Chillar had two sacks last season and 7.5 for his career. Against Seattle, he had four tackles, all of which prevented a successful play, one quarterback hit that was wiped by a hands to the face penalty and one hands to the face penalty, forced by overmatching Wrotto.

Wrotto mostly held the edge and mostly held his block, but if you can extrapolate what we saw and envision it against better competition, he will struggle. He will struggle to block out the edge rush. He just doesn't get sufficient depth and so chases the pass rusher instead of mirroring him. Wrotto loses ground against the bull rush. It's not that he lacks strength. He just doesn't solidify the block and so he's always compensating and losing ground. If you will allow a turn of phrase, Wrotto is a subsistence blocker.

Jared Allen is a Black Blizzard with arms of locust and legs of blight.

Short of custom, I can not think of a good reason for Seattle to start Matt Hasselbeck. Pride might take over. Seattle doesn't want to act "scared." It needs to prove that it can start ones against ones and survive. Whatever. Seattle has little depth at left tackle. It has a, seemingly, fragile quarterback. It faces perhaps the best defensive end in all of football, on the road, in a meaningless game. Pride shouldn't supersede common sense.

We are all happy that Wrotto substituted for Russell Okung and held his own. Lot of good feelings about that. Wrotto may even hold up against lower-level edge rusher in the regular season. I wouldn't worry too terribly much about Wrotto starting against San Francisco, the Dumervil-less Broncos, Shawne Merriman or whatever can of snakes the Rams spring on Seattle. Wrotto can survive that stretch if he has to.

Seattle could survive that stretch starting Wrotto if it has to. Hopefully Carroll and Bates and Hasselbeck acknowledge that but consider tomorrow's matchup and choose not to wager health to win pride. Tomorrow is an exhibition. Though Wrotto may survive Allen and the Vikings, do we really want to see the aftermath if he doesn't?

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Very, very well said

my thoughts exactly. However, I think in this case pride will in fact supersede common sense. I pray God we don’t pay for it in the long run.

by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 27, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Typo to fix John

“I can not think of a good reason for Seattle to start Matt Hasselebck

Seattle has to start Losman or Whitehurst. Hasselbeck would get killed against the Vikes.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 27, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Would it be recommendable to start Hasselbeck this game if Okung were in?

Are we more worried about our depth at LT or the fragility of our QB?

by gongawz on Aug 27, 2010 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I would start Losman/Whitehurst regardless of LT

It’s not worth the risk to have your starting QB get pounded into submission in a preseason game.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 27, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. And those two are pretty mobile, to boot.

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 27, 2010 4:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why are we worried about saving Hass for the regular season?

We’re not the Colts or Saints, where the entire season rides on the #1 QB.

I hate sounding cold-blooded about it (and I’m definitely not hoping for it) but if Hass can’t even survive the 3rd preseason game, then start the Whitehurst era early and get a clue on what this team needs to do at QB for 2011 and beyond.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 27, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

ALWAYS COMPETE

DON’T EAT CHEESE BEFORE NOON
A PENNY SAVED IS A PENNY EARNED

by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 27, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not about the regular season

It’s about making sure he’s alive.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 27, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'll live.

Allen would get penalized for killing a QB.

by Kryten on Aug 27, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Aug 27, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya

If he can’t survive a pre-season game then we better start the CW era now. Find out if we are just pissing away seasons until we can start the Locker/Luck/whoever we draft era.

by stufr on Aug 27, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Check out this kid named Christian Ponder.

He’s a mobile accurate QB that would fit perfect in Bates’ system. Check him out on YouTube. He plays for FSU.

by PhoneHomeET29 on Aug 27, 2010 8:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I already have my eye on him.

If the Seahawks were to finish in the #10 – #20 range in the draft order like I expect them to, Ponder could realistically be available then.

He is extremely accurate, which I am very high on. He has a somewhat quick release, but he needs to start his throws higher. He has a tendency to hold the ball too low before his throws. That’s fixable.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Aug 28, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

And what I also like about him is he plays very well against really good defenses

He completed 82.5% (33/40) of his passes against UNC, the top-rated defense in the nation (who have 5 players projected to go in the first two rounds of next year’s draft).

And he completed 63.6% (21/33) of his passes vs. Clemson, and although he threw 4 interceptions in that game, he actually played very well other wise.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Aug 28, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those 4 interceptions were a freak occurence

because he had only one other game last year where he threw an interception. He was interception-free the rest of the season.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Aug 28, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mallet is the other guy to watch

A little bit rawer, but still has Locker like tools.

by stufr on Aug 28, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually,

the Seahawks success this season depends by and large upon Matt Hasselbeck. Same as last year.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Aug 28, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

John, quick side question

has Mike Gibson outplayed Ben Hamilton? Several beat reporters have indicated and hinted expectation that Gibson may earn th starting job regardless of injury, and keep it.

by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Allow me to echo thusly: Great Post.

Carroll just might be the kind of coach who ops for common sense and
hands Hasselbeck a clipboard tomorrow. Or maybe Matt will slice his
thumb a prudent tad whilst helping out in the kitchen tonight.

by broadbill birdwatcher on Aug 27, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm confused

Everyone is scared to death of Minnesota’s pass rush but no one was concerned about Green Bay.

Go 'Hawks.

by JimAK on Aug 27, 2010 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

That's because we knew their premiere pass rusher

wasn’t playing in the game, and we knew we had Russ Okung in there. Now we have Manny Wrotto taking on Jared Allen. We’re scared shitless for Hasselbeck’s kids’ sake.

by ErictheHawksFan on Aug 27, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, that makes it the perfect time to get a good idea on Whitehurst.

See how he does against starters, with starters. He’ll see a good defense in action and get needed experience. And we come away knowing more about Aragorn.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Aug 27, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's about Winning Forever

You sit Hass and you are saying to the team, we suck and can’t compete with top tier teams. You do that and you risk losing the team like last year when we sucked and could not compete with any decent team past the first posession, let alone the first quarter.

How can you expect the team to compete if we don’t expect the players to compete.

Yes we may take our lumps, yes we may lose, yes we may get Hass injured. But we instill that we are not going to back down, we are going to fight to win and compete as a team. That’s how we are going to get better.

Hass is no longer our critical piece to the puzzle, it is team psyche.

by SpellStitchedHawk on Aug 27, 2010 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

You're right. Get Tats in there, and Mebane, and all the starters.

Hell, we should put in Okung too. He can walk off that injury, he played on it after he injured it last week. It can’t be that bad! And we need to win, to show we are willing to do it all to win any game, even a preseason game! Win Forever baby!

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Aug 27, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

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