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Postgame: Seahawks 13 - Vikings 24

Big Winners

Chris Clemons: Clemons will provide pressure in spurts and go cold. Tonight he was hot. He has a  wicked inside move. Seattle hasn't executed a stunt like that since Patrick Kerney's arms fell off. Let's see how he handles Joe Staley and a more coherent offensive line.

Mansfield Wrotto: Survived.

Jeremy Bates: Designed an attack that allowed Wrotto to survive.

Alex Gibbs: Coached em up*.

Winners

Earl Thomas: Now that he's taken one to the house, we can think about all those other moments he was so, so close, remember he just turned 21 and smile.

Walter Thurmond: Thurmond was burned. Thurmond attempted to bury a shoulder instead of wrap and allowed a touchdown. Thurmond was playing fearless bump-and-run coverage less than 11 months after surgery to repair his ACL, MCL and PCL. Walter wins.

Tyjuan Hagler: Hagler was indeed very active last game, something I recognized after reviewing the tape. He popped a fullback and contained and did nuts and bolts linebacker stuff you do not see enough of from David Hawthorne or Will Herring. He had another active game tonight and may have earned a spot over a starter from last season.

Lofa Tatupu: Tats loves football. Football is better with Tatupu. Seattle's defense is better with Tatupu. Tats was out there banging helmets, coordinating the front seven, filling lanes and cleaning up coverage.

Cord Parks: Parks is a very smooth athlete and when you can prove that on the football field, coaches start looking at you different. He will sign somewhere. He may stick.

Undetermined

Mike Williams: I am a homer. To an extent. I am a homer. Williams has long since proven everything he can prove in the preseason. Sometime last week, I started thinking what is a realistic estimate for receptions and receiving yards. Can Mike surpass a thousand?

Leon Washington: No one looked good. Washington looked less damaging.

Aaron Curry: Does indeed look different with Tatupu on the field. Like he doesn't have to be a leader.

Losers

Will Herring: Herring saw a ton of action. This might have been an audition. His showing last season not withstanding, Herring is by no means entrenched. He just didn't look good. He just hasn't looked good. And Hagler has.

Jordan Babineaux: See: "Will Herring." Replace "Parks and Roy Lewis" for "Hagler."

Charlie Whitehurst: Nervous in the pocket and wild. Wild is new. Wild is bad. Overall, I still think Whitehurst looks much improved from the Charger Seattle traded for.

Cameron Morrah: Another quiet night. He has lost footing every week.

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Favorite moment: Lawyer Milloy knocking Hutch on his butt.

Mike Williams: he’s picking up yards in chunks, larger than I would expect. The way the corps is playing I see 900 yards for him, but more realistic I would still guess 650. But a sweet 650.

by jacobstevens on Aug 28, 2010 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

And won't I rejoice at being wrong.

Run-first team, good TE, 2-TE sets, I expect the ball to be spread through the wideouts enough to keep any from having big stats, but BMW at 900 would be a stunning success.

by jacobstevens on Aug 29, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm really excited about Curry

mostly because I didn’t notice him much. When I did notice him, he didn’t seem overly out of control like he’s been in the past. Next step, production. Real production.

by Hawkhammer19 on Aug 28, 2010 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Carroll's scheme by design

seems to take a bit away from the sam LB (Curry’s spot) in terms of raw statistical production. Obviously where we want to see marked improvement from him is as a pass rusher, as well as getting after it in coverage. His job versus the run the majority of the time, however, is simply to hold the edge, keep contain, and funnel the ball to the backside.

It’s strange to me, but I almost feel as if Curry should be playing the will spot in this scheme, but I guess that he’s the best candidate on the roster for that position based on his size/strength combination. Dexter Davis has looked damn good at the SLB too though – at times better than Curry has – albeit vs. 2’3 and 3’s.

by Catoblepas on Aug 28, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should be interesting to see Whitehurst next week. Hope he looks better

Also, BMW getting 1000 seems unlikely with how many WRs have looked p good. Expect us to spread the ball around?

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 28, 2010 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Matt McCoy

John, I’ve seen you at times give this guy some props as early as the first few TC sessions, and all along I’ve been wondering to myself “Umm.. WTF is John talking about?” But tonight I thought McCoy showed up. Tonight I really started to notice him as a backer and how he might round out our depth. I think you may have unfairly snubbed him from your list of winners.

by Catoblepas on Aug 28, 2010 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Toronto tied RSL today

Effectively ruining our chances.

Looks like my avatar and sig will be stuck for a long time.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 28, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

This was probably my favorite thing about the game.

I want the Seahawks to be different from what they were last year. In ‘09 the Hawks were 3 and outs, constant pressure, field goals, and 1 or 2-yard runs. As far as this game goes, we weren’t subjected to seeing Matt constantly harassed and since it was against the Williams wall and Jared Allen, that makes me super happy.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 28, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone have a more educated observation on Unger?

My (criminally untrained) eye saw a man in constant retreat. I really hope that he can work out some of the kinks in his game while he’s starting because there’s no healthier alternatives and he can improve enough to stick when others start getting healthy.

by SgtSasquatch on Aug 28, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did not watch the whole game

But Mebane has to be a winner as well. Chasing Peterson down like that was great and the 4th down stuff was even better.

Babineaux was shockingly bad. I don’t know what’s up with him.

Butler is under “undetermined” and Golden Tate is a winner knowing we have a deep threat option.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 28, 2010 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmmm...

How is Butler undetermined? Every pass that was thrown well, he caught. Good YAC, nice speed, good hands.

I’m far from a homer, hell, I’m a pessimist, and Butler has made me very happy this preseason so far.

by wyobo on Aug 28, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

In this game, Butler was targeted 9 times, and caught 4 passes. At a low 6.8 average too. Them’s the stats.

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 28, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm also certain he dropped (or couldn't get) two catchable passes in the 4th

I need to see the game again to make sure.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

He had one pretty bad drop in the 4th.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 29, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. The one down the middle perfectly delivered by Whitehurst

He just couldn’t pull it in. Woulda been 30ish yards had he pulled it in.

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is there hope that this line can pick up Gibbs zone blocking scheme?

Or are we just going to have to live with a crappy running game?

by farmer cam on Aug 28, 2010 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

We faced two elite defenses

I’m not that worried because our schedule does not have many elite defenses. Namely we don’t have to face Minny or GB.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Until January!

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 29, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hasselbeck

      Not very impressed with the 1st team offence or do I just mean the QB’s in general. No 3rd down conversions that I remember and the red zone play looked very panicky. Looked like Hasselbeck was staring down one receiver and if that receiver was covered he didn’t know what to do. Really uncomfortable to watch, when the DB’s figured this out his completion % was done. By the second half on 3rd down you just knew he wasn’t going to get it. No offensive TD’s, No offensive TD’s.
    Mansfield Wrotto did a good job at left tackle, the running game was non existent but no sacks from Jarred Allen is a plus. Of coarse last year he didn’t get any sacks but he literally beat the crap out of Hasselbeck all night long. I don’t think we had any 1st downs last year until the middle of the second qrt, so this is a big improvement.
    The D gave up some big plays but overall not a bad performance. The run defense was stellar except the one long Pederson TD. Trufant has been playing great and the D was busting up and hitting people. Earl Thomas looked better, a pick six doesn’t hurt

yea dude

by dirtyktm on Aug 28, 2010 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Not sure that its fair to judge the TEs harshly after this game

Bates game plan had the TEs blocking and not receiving. I’m sure Bates will change that once Okung is healthy. Morrah and Carlson both had quiet nights, but I’m not sure that it was their fault.

Big kudos to both Red Bryant and Chris Clemons tonight. Not that either was truly outstanding, but they are both improving two areas of the defense that might possibly be huge weaknesses if they both do not improve. They both took steps tonight. Bryant is starting to look almost comfortable playing at end.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Aug 28, 2010 10:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Impressed overall

Defense stepped up today. Offense moved the ball just enough for scores, abeit more touchdowns is needed. Turnovers have been key to our preseason success this year, and one should hope that this continues on in the regular season.

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on Aug 28, 2010 10:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I was very impressed withthe defense.

Off-topic: Has anyone seen an Earl Thomas away jersey of any sort for sale? I can’t find one!

by PhoneHomeET29 on Aug 28, 2010 10:57 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

The defense was exciting

but only in the flashy, play-making sense. What I mean is, we were buoyed by turnovers (for the most part) and if we had played a full game, those might easily have dried up and our offense wouldn’t have been sufficient to keep us in the game. The D needs to be better at shortening drives.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 29, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very true.

I believe the D was also tired due to the fact our offense couldn’t stay on the field. It was encouraging though to see our D shut down AP for the most part and make Brett wet his pants. I liked the flashes of a pass-rush and the play of the secondary, for the most part.

by PhoneHomeET29 on Aug 29, 2010 10:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh I agree with all that completely.

Still a pretty fun game. So many neat plays.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 30, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lawyer Milloy was pretty impressive.

He was hitting like a true safety.

Oh hell yes.

by dba on Aug 28, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Earl Thomas' pick six was amazing to watch.

But his hit on Harvin was nearly as breathtaking, and something I wasn’t sure he was capable of doing. I’d say a year of time with Milloy might do him some good. He’s not completely incapable of tackling or hitting, so the potential is there.

by cashless on Aug 28, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

E = 1/2 m v^2

A 240 lb safety moving at 10 miles/hour has 1088 joules of energy. A 120 lb safety moving at 20 miles/hour has 2176 joules of energy. Momentum is the same, but the smaller player has twice the energy.

To illustrate the difference more dramatically, consider a .007 kg bullet traveling at 300 meters/second and a 270 kg golf cart (~ 600 lbs) moving at .00778 m/s (about one mile per hour). They have identical momentum. But the bullet will hurt more.

In football terms, momentum is a good measure of how much you’d slow down (or push backwards) your collision target. If you’re hitting a goal-line back who’s trying to pound it in from the 2-yard line, that’s pretty much all that matters.

Energy would be a better measure of the disruptive effect at the point of impact. Specifically, if Thomas is able to make a hit right when the opposing receiver is trying to catch the ball, he’ll be more effective than a heavier+slower safety would be with the same momentum.

by Jason_D on Aug 29, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

F = m x v

In this case, Thomas really cranked up the velocity.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 29, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

But W = F x T

And I’d rather not see Thomas put in that type of work over any period of time.

His work would be better spent hitting as little as possible. Keep your jersey clean, your eyes up, and your hands ready ET.

I’d be fine with Deion Sanders style “tackling” if he was able to prolong his career as long as Primetime.

by trippsixxes on Aug 29, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somehow I think most of the force got transferred to Harvin on that one.

I mean Thomas did jump up and down excitedly right afterwards. But yeah, you worry about him because he seems so little.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 29, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mebane was a big winner

he dominates interior olinemen and it doesn’t matter who it is.

he is this defenses mvp, the whole thing collapses without him. a must resign.

by puerto on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 AM PDT reply actions  

We don't bother mentioning Mebane

Everyone knows he’s a consistent monster in the middle :)

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 29, 2010 8:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

rec'd

for fragtasticness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

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by jubelthebear on Aug 29, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Losers - screen game

Looked horrible tonight, both on O and D.

I might add that Locklear seemed to have a poor game. Watched Carlson a lot – his run blocking was pretty shaky, but looked alright in pass pro.

Big winner seemed to be the D line.

by PerryCollective on Aug 29, 2010 12:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

only time I noticed Lock

was when he almost got Hass killed. You have to hold or block in the back or something, not let a DE run free during preseason.

by Hancock.Brett on Aug 29, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

In his defense,

the End must have guessed the snap count and got lucky, cuz he just Patrick-Kerney’d off the line. It was really something.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Aug 29, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I wasn't even counting that one...

I’m guessing Matt didn’t vary the snap count enough due to the hurry up offense…

by PerryCollective on Aug 29, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carlson did his best

but he was doing a lot more pass pro & run blocking than I think fits his skills as a receiver. Then again you can’t catch **** when you’re QB’s getting molly-whomped

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

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by jubelthebear on Aug 29, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw way too many losers today on the O side. Not a good dress rehersal

Matt can’t throw off his back foot, its just a duck up there. CW can gun off his back foot, but who knows where it is going. Both guys seemed to be confused at where there progressions were and neither on of them stepped up into the pocket. They both kept trying to slide laterally out of the pocket, which didn’t work well.

I am not convinced JJ has anything left. He was given the ball in space multiple times and he couldn’t do a thing with it.

Pass Pro was decent from the first team, but run was poor, good D though.

I’d like to rewatch CWs int especially, but it seemed like Martin was running terrible routes out there. Not crisp and many of them were on CWs “wild” throws. He was wild, but a couple of those were timing type throws and martin wasn’t hitting the route well.

Most of the other negatives have been brought up. Overall just not that happy with the O except for some of the early line play.

by stufr on Aug 29, 2010 6:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Possibly

More often it was in response to a blitz. The line would pick them up and create a pocket that was falling apart from the outside. If they would take a step up and hit the hot route it would be fine, but they seemed to stick to the 5 step drop and just set up and then try and move laterally.

by stufr on Aug 29, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

All gold from Morgan as usual

here’s my take on the game

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Aug 29, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I think you are holding back to much

You need to let your emotions out more.

by stufr on Aug 29, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice article.

You guys at Fieldgulls write so well. Sycophanting accomplished.

Either I have met EVERY asshole in the Browns fan base, or I have to conclude that Cleveland fans are disproportionately ignorant, mean-spirited, bitter douchebuckets.

I went to see the Browns play the Squawks at a Browns bar in NYC 2 years ago (my roomie was dating a chick from Cleveland) and aside from the worst calamari ever, I had to endure a) a loss & b) these twats making dumbass jokes about Crennel’s weight.

The slander edged subtly towards racial jokes (I’m black) at which point the Brown-backer-grand-poobah cut it short, recalling that an actual African American was sitting at his table… all this while staring at a piss poor road effort and $12 of wasted squid…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

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by jubelthebear on Aug 29, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Morrah

Should have never left Cal after his Junior season. He had one good year on a mediocre team. He should have stayed one more year and developed more.

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by 49er16 on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Whitehurst really needs to calm himself and get his feet set.

But I do want to see him with the 1st team offense again. The first preseason game he really seemed to have a comfort level with BMW.

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 29, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Winner: Red Bryant?

He almost had a sack didn’t he?

by Hawkhammer19 on Aug 29, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

he did. But he coulda had

a strip and a turnover, but he wasn’t really playin for the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

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by jubelthebear on Aug 29, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't like Whitehurst's game much. Was really forcing passes.

I don’t think anything was going to keep him from throwing away or checking down.

by jacobstevens on Aug 29, 2010 10:43 PM PDT reply actions  

He was REALLY trying to make something happen, and he was able to move the ball

albeit a bit sloppily.

A few times the line crumbled and he had to scramble from pressure.

But he delivered some damn fine passes, and next season, combining 1. all first team reps and 2. playing with starting caliber players should help him a lot.

I’m kinda excited, actually. He didn’t look awful at all this pre-season.

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 30, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's looked pretty bad the last two games.

And his preseason stat line is now 51.5% completion rate, 5.9 yards per attempt, 3 touchdowns, 4 picks and a pretty pathetic 4.04 ANY/A (Hasselbeck’s ANY/A last year was 4.6, and he was bad last year).

by Nate Dogg on Aug 30, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

He hasn't been awesome, but he hasn't been terrible.

He’s playing with 2nd/3rd string receivers. Their route running isn’t great, and they’re not catching the ball well. Hurst has been the victim of some painful drops. Butler’s mid field drop in the MIN game was perfect example – that was a PERFECTLY placed pass that would have easily gained 30+ yards.

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Aug 30, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

In the case of the Vikings game,

bad + lucky = sloppy. For lack of a better comparison, it was very badFavre. Such velocity that when the bad passes bounced off things, they seemed more prone to tip drill INTs.

by jacobstevens on Aug 30, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whitehurst

After watching this big guy play a few times I’m all in for taking a chance on him. Don’t want to wish no evil on Matt but if he got like a bad hangnail or something and sits out a couple games I’d like to watch Charlie get the reps.

by Richard fg7 on Sep 2, 2010 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

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