Seahawks on the Bubble: Offense
Now that I have identified the 26 players on offense that are most likely to make the 53 man roster, which among the most likely are also the most vulnerable? Let's see if I can describe how 26 could become 24 or 23, if need be.
J.P. Losman
Losman was not showing poorly in camp. Losman was hard to find. He might be vulnerable for a couple reasons. He played last season in the UFL, indicating there is not a strong demand for his services. Mike Shanahan typically retains two quarterbacks on his final roster, and Jeremy Bates learned his craft under Shanahan. And so Losman might be the latest player that the Seahawks sign, teach the system and cut, assuming he can be recalled if necessary.
I support the Seahawks retaining only two quarterbacks. Teams do not win behind their third string quarterback. If Seattle had the makings of a defensive juggernaut, maybe we could hope otherwise, but it doesn't. And unless Losman proves otherwise, I do not think he is enough of an upgrade over a street free agent to sacrifice future talent at another position. Losman is replacement level. He might slightly improve the Seahawks chances to win, but the hard truth is if Losman is starting, the season is probably lost.
Anthony McCoy
This is an interesting story, and one that is retold every season.
Why did Brian Brohm fall? Duke Robinson?
I don't know.
The draft process is by no means perfect, but neither is it the crap shoot some cast it as. The missing element, the one that fans don't see but dramatically impacts every class, is drills and individual workouts. Drills and Individual workouts allow coaches to separate a player from the success or failure of their team and somewhat standardize the level of competition. They can be revealing.
I do not think McCoy dropped so far down boards because he maybe tested positive for marijuana. I do think it speaks poorly of his decision making if he did. I've known these heads. People that matter of factly claim to have not gone a day without smoking since they were 14. And they're not an organized, driven bunch. The problem would not be that McCoy smokes, it's that he didn't stop. Nevertheless, I think that is the tip of the iceberg.
I think McCoy dropped because, at least from what I saw, he is very unpolished and may not be able to contribute right away. He is a big bag of tools that played for a very talented USC offense. Opposing defenses treated him as a fourth or fifth weapon. He succeeded through the talent of his teammates and that doesn't cut it in the pros.
Cutting McCoy and placing him on the practice squad is a risk, but maybe not a deadly one. He isn't irreplaceable. If he truly is too unpolished to contribute right away, he will be too unpolished to contribute to another team as well. That means he wouldn't be targeted by other teams until those teams fell out of contention, and by then, Seattle could have freed a space for him.
Simply put, I think we are overvaluing his ability and attractiveness to other teams.
Deon Butler / Deion Branch
Ah yes, the De[i]ons. Six wide receivers is a lot to retain. T.J. Houshmandzadeh is not playing special teams. Neither is Branch. If Butler sticks, he could play special teams, but he is not built for the job. He would be a perfunctory contributor at best. Housh isn't going anywhere. That means Seattle might keep only one of Branch or Butler. If Carroll is committed to putting the best team on the field in 2010, that very well could mean Branch. And if Butler wants to stick, he must prove he can contribute against unfriendly competition.
Teams are reluctant to give up on young talent. Without indulging in a tired subject, one can point to Brandon Morrow as a obvious example why. Young talent is volatile and what might seem like a mortal weakness one year could be overcome the next. Butler has that in his court. He's cheap and his speed excites and if he isn't yet a great receiver, he is fundamentally capable of becoming one.
Branch has his contract and health working against him. Working for Branch is skill, talent and accomplishment. It's no slight against Butler to say he would be very lucky to ever achieve what Branch already has. Branch has disappointed Seahawks fans, but relative to the average third-round pick, he has been a smash success.
We shall see. This is not a direct competition, but it may very well be two players competing for one spot.
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I agree that Branch is talented.
And if we didn’t have anyone ahead of him, I’d argue to keep him. But it seems, from reading the camp stuff so far, that he’s going to be behind BMW, Housh, and Tate… leaving him the #4 WR spot. Now, considering how much we’re going to use Carlson on passing downs, what’s the point of keeping Branch around other than as insurance? How many times are we going to actually trot out four wide receivers on to the field?
Butler is far more valuable as a prospect over the long term… and can’t be THAT much less valuable as a fourth WR right now.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
But the problem is Williams, Butler and Tate are unproven. Him and Housh are basically the only guys who have a chemistry with Matt, so that’s basically the only reason to keep him
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Do Branch and Hass have chemistry?
I never really felt that. It always SEEMED like they should, but frequently during games Matt would tend to force things to Branch and it would be off (especially on long balls).
Williams seems like the kind of player chemistry is easy to push at… he’s so big and his reach is so long that you can throw high or outside and trust he’ll pull it down. Tate, likewise, seems to have an affinity for bringing down balls that he has no right to get to.
Matt's two most impressive throws last year
were to Branch. For TDs.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I wonder what Butler's trade value is
I’d say of all the guys listed in this article Butler is the only one that would command some kind of return in a preseason trade (due to injury and age I doubt Branch would command anything worthwhile). I have doubts that Butler’s style of receiver is a good match for this offense, so perhaps a trade for a 3rd/4th rounder might be a better investment.
That's a nice thought.
Considering that Anquan Boldin was had for a 3rd and a swap of 4ths, I would be shocked, literally, in shock and in need of medical attention, if Butler could be traded for anything higher than a 6th.
Agree. He hasn't proved anything
And his value should reflect that.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
by Nick Andron on Aug 9, 2010 7:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Knowing what you know about Butler:
would you trade away a 3rd round pick for him?
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Given the past couple seasons, I'm fine with keeping Branch even if he's only insurance.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
I'd put my monopoly money on Butler.
Especially if Charlie has a good preseason and people start thinking, hey,
this guy just might be our future QB. The correlation being Charlie’s deep
ball and Butler’s deep speed. Also, I wouldn’t underestimate the possibility
that Branch might be worth a third rounder from some contender who
might have one of their main WRs injured in preseason.
by broadbill birdwatcher on Aug 9, 2010 8:07 PM PDT reply actions
Keep the dual Deions.
Cut some other scrub. Terrill? McCoy? Julius Jones? Obomanu? Surely we can keep both Deions. We need to.
Red Bryant: surprise us!
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with the boss
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 10, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this post was about the difficulty of keeping the De[i]ons even if Obomanu is cut.
by SeahawksFanInNY on Aug 10, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
No, it wasn't
it was about the difficulty of keeping both because “six wide receivers is a lot to retain” — which presupposes keeping Obo.
by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 10, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
At WR, the rookie is the only one without any real question marks.
I think Housh is very dependable. But despite him claiming he wasn’t himself last year, his performance followed the ol’ age-related decline curve, past few years. So, unproven Tate, proving to be a playmaker, is the only one lacking question marks.
The preseason games really ought to serve as more of a threshing floor than they already normally are, here. I feel good about Mike Williams but I don’t feel so confident as to cut either De[i]on for him. I’d say the same thing for them.
Let the preseason separate the wheat from the chaff. If one of Williams, Branch or Butler leave us with question marks but the other two have been reasonably answered, I say time’s up.
It's interesting
How most feel that Mike Williams is shoe-in for this team. I haven’t seen him play and by all accounts he is thriving. That being said, its a lot easier to cut a Mike Williams who you have no real investment in, than Deon (who you spent a 3rd round pick on).
Looking at it from another perspective, maybe it is easy to cut Butler since you have replaced him in theory, albeit with someone who is older.

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