The Leo Experiment
I am still not convinced that Seattle ever intended for Chris Clemons to be a starter. And, in a way, it's sad that Clemons has become the test of whether the Leo concept can work. It's not that Clemons is bad, necessarily, though we shall see how he reacts to being a starter; it's that Clemons has a lengthy history of injuries and backing up Clemons, Dexter Davis, is a very different type of player. There really is not another Chris Clemons on this roster.
Fundamentally, there is something very cool about moving a balanced end like Darryl Tapp for a pass rush specialist. It's an unspoken acknowledgment that passing rules the modern NFL. On the whole, Clemons does not have to be better than Tapp to be more valuable than Tapp. If he is a better pass rusher, and Seattle is able to scheme around some of his weaknesses as a run stopper, the trade off could be more than worth it.
Building a team better able to stop the pass is something I have advocated for years. Last season, I stumped for a Darryl Tapp - Brandon Mebane - Cory Redding - Lawrence Jackson front four. It wasn't the most massive line possible, and maybe that would cost Seattle against the run, but it would have been disruptive.
Clemons is supposed to be disruptive. Without the aid of a blitz, he is among the only Seahawks that can or will be. If he falters or is injured, Seattle does not have another true Leo to replace him with. That puts Seattle's pass defense in peril of total collapse. Mebane isn't enough, and Colin Cole and Red Bryant are both well below average pass rushers for their positions. Davis is a great get for a seventh round pick, but his week four preseason showing against the Raiders starting offensive line, in which he had 4.5 tackles, but no sacks, quarterback hits and no hurries that I can recall, is par for the course for the rookie.
The best pass rushes in the league generate rush from multiple positions. The Vikings accomplished it through exceptional talent in their front seven. The Steelers, Dolphins, 49ers, Eagles, Cardinals, Cowboys and Browns accomplished it through blitzing. There was no standout pass rusher on the Dolphins, 49ers, Cardinals or Browns, but there were Cameron Wakes, Parys Haralsons and Chike Okeafors. There was pass rush potential from almost anywhere.The only team in the top ten that was dependent on one player to provide most of their rush was the Broncos.
Maybe Seattle thinks it's found its Elvis Dumervil in Clemons. Dumervil started his career as a pass rush specialist, but proved so good at it, he became a starter. He had been healthy before a pectoral tear landed him on IR. He had been healthy, and now the Broncos are royally screwed without him. Clemons is like a lesser Dumervil, with a lengthier and more persistent injury history, that is older and less accomplished. The Leo experiment is good insomuch that it aims to defend the pass, but it's bad insomuch that it depends so much on one player to make it work. It's a justifiable concept executed in a terrifically precarious manner. I respect that Seattle is attempting to build a better pass rush and willing to sacrifice some run stopping in the endeavor, but a Leo isn't enough, and relying on Clemons, well, I guess there's a reason they call him Big Balls Pete.
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Well said
Would you be surprised if Clemmons went down and we just traded for someone else? (before the deadline)
Trading in season is asking to get fleeced.
I’m not sure what Seattle will do if Clemons is injured.
Possibly Curry, I don't see anybody else
But Carroll and Schneider both already know they’re lacking in the pass rush department. There just wasn’t an opportunity to do anything about it. Most teams are looking for a pass rusher. There may not be next year either. Keeping Tapp (for Clemons) was probably the only alternative and they went with Clemons. But it’s a glaring weakness, we’ll see how they adjust or scheme for it. If Clemons goes down they’ll have to play a different style of defense.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 10, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they're more likely to scour free agents from the street.
Or bring back in players that they had during training camp.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 10, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So, what is your opinion of Raheem Brock?
My understanding is that he was brought in to play the Leo, but to be honest I don’t know much about him (although the name does sound familiar). Could he step up if Clemons got hurt or proved ineffective?
Do you think that we will see more blitz from Seattle?
If not, it may be a long season against the pass, even if Clemons stays healthy and plays roughly to expectations.
It is just so difficult to find pass rush talent. Nobody gets rid of accomplished pass rushers while they can still play. You have to draft it.
I find myself wondering if perhaps we may get more from Davis that we might immediately think. I saw a reasonable number of ASU games and he always stuck out to me.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
As much as I want to think, Bradley doesn't strike me as a blitzing guy
But if this pass rush is worse than useless it will probable force him to do this.
4 years, 4 coaches, 7 league road wins, 0 playoff games, 1 GM. Fire Mo Johnston.
I do think we'll blitz more, to better utilize Aaron Curry
Even if he frequently over-pursues, sometimes a blitz can be successful if it forces an early throw. I really like the idea of Clemons and Mebane coming from one side, and Bryant and Curry coming from the other. That could work.
Bryant doesn't really
command double teams does he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
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by jubelthebear on Sep 11, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
They call him "Big Balls Pete"?!
That’s so freakin’ awesome!!!! I’d love to hear “Big Balls Pete!” chanting on a 4th and 1!
by PhoneHomeET29 on Sep 10, 2010 7:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
If Clemons succeeds and our pass rush still fails,
will we have to abandon Red Bryant starting at the opposite end?
Well articulated
But the leo talk is getting old- lets talk about talent. If we had J. Allen I doubt we’d talk about the leo- we’d talk about crushing heads. If Clemson can pass rush he’ll help the defense, and secondary, possibly even the offense with a boost to confidence- otherwise, it’ll be deja-vu all over again.
by paul2 on Sep 10, 2010 10:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
It will be interesting to see how the kid the Eagles nabbed at 13 develops
as he seems to be the Hawks’ first choice for the Thomas’ slot.
Based on the changes to the front four as well as the importance of this position I see why Graham would have been the type of player targeted by Carroll in the 1st round and subsequently, why the Eagles traded ahead of Seattle to get him.
Clemons/Graham platoon at the Leo spot would probably instill a lot more confidence in the scheme looking forward.
Can we not utilize a variety of zone-blitzes combined with a Leo?
I certainly don’t think that one guy rushes and that’s it. I’m not sure how versatile Clemons is; if he can drop in cover while others blitz, but that’s only one facet of what can be a many-pronged attack.
Last season, we though we had a ‘quiver of DEs’ and would benefit from that. We didn’t. This year is a new scheme incorporating 3-4 tactics. Why not believe that we’ll dial up an array of blitz-packages and not just rely on our one, true Leo?
Red Bryant: surprise us!
by Misfit74 on Sep 10, 2010 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Do you think
that the LEO scheme is a stop-gap for the Seahawks because management didn’t believe they could accomplish enough of an overhaul and acquire enough pass rush talent in one season to cause enough disruption without it?
Or maybe they think there’s enough talent to fit this scheme coming in the next few drafts?
This is an interesting question.
To me, it looks like they’re using Clemons a bit like they’re using Hasselbeck. He’s a stopgap measure that makes this season bearable while they plan for next year’s acquisition of a long-term successor.
Will a real “game changing” Leo be available in next year’s draft? I know so little about the college game.
there will most likely be
but bear in mind, the Seahawks need to draft at other positions and DE’s take time to develop, so don’t be surprised if they draft and acquire someone with experience to start, over Clemons should that person be available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
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by jubelthebear on Sep 11, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Carroll/Schneider did say early on they were lacking in pass rushers, and then couldn't find any to add
It’s very possible the sole purpose of this scheme is to make up for that deficiency.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 11, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions

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