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This makes room for the recently re-signed G Mansfield Wrotto, as well as LB Leroy Hill, who is returning from suspension.

Additionally we released CB Ross Weaver from the practice squad to sign CB Cord Parks.

Adam Caplan also reports we worked out former Dolphins G Donald Thomas. Thomas started 12 games for the Fins last season but was cut this off-season.

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Didn't have to be much

If Unger doesn’t have much value over a replacement player (Wrotto) in the eyes of the FO, having Wrotto for the season may be worth more than Unger for a season less even just a couple games.

by SeahawksFanInNY on Sep 14, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

And to add

Putting him on IR may cost less than cutting someone.

by SeahawksFanInNY on Sep 14, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I recall correctly

It was a nagging toe injury that caused Ravens T Jonathan Ogden to retire a few years ago.

by Buster! on Sep 14, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

While toe injuries can take a very long time to heal and definitely preclude your effectiveness on the field,

I’m pretty skeptical that the severity and subsequent timetable would be known or expected such that this would be the value proposition. That is, I highly doubt this move is solely on account of the injury.

Which makes this kind of good news to hear. It’s not good news, but the good side of it is that the team recognizes he’s been struggling. I don’t know if it means his career as a Seahawk is in jeopardy, but maybe just tat he needs more time to develop as a pro. Wrotto’s had plenty more time even if he doesn’t have the same potential as a prospect.

by jacobstevens on Sep 14, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be clear...

…not the Ben Roethlisberger sort of predator. And I can’t say “the Arnold Schwarzenegger sort of predator” either because that type isn’t significantly different. I mean, you know, the type from the movies and stuff. Dreadlocks.

by Chirp on Sep 14, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about the unmanned drone MQ-1 "Predator"?

God, looking at the wiki for this, the US military just has to stop with the fucking acronyms. MALE (medium-alt, low endurance), UAVS (unmanned aerial vehicle system), controlled by a GCS (ground control station… really?),

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Sep 14, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

They aren't UAVs anymore

They went to RPV (remotely piloted vehicles) and I think they changed to RPA (remotely piloted aircraft).
If you don’t change something than did you actually do anything?

by stufr on Sep 14, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Military?

Stop with acronyms?

Made me laugh. You could probably write a 1000 word essay that included 100 acronyms and I’d breeze through it.

They make up new ones that don’t end up working out, but most of them stick.

by cashless on Sep 15, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeez, it's not like our o-line hasn't suffered enough

Did Unger’s toe just break completely off? Losing him for the rest of the year is another blow to the continuity of the line, as well as his progression as a pro guard.

This sucks….oh yeah, welcome back, Mansfield.

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

As above, it doesn't have to be much

If Unger were a superstar, he would have been much, much more likely to avoid IR.

by SeahawksFanInNY on Sep 14, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have to be @!#$%# kidding me

First Hamilton takes out Okung and now this? How many years are we going to lose our starting lineman over and over and over?

sigh [takes deep breath]

At least Unger was one of our weaker lineman, so replacing him won’t be quite so hard as Okung. But man, oh man our continuity takes yet another hit.

by IslandHawk on Sep 14, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Based on recent history, Wrotto probably will be better

…but if that is the case why was Unger starting and Wrotto cut? Odd.

by IslandHawk on Sep 14, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

But if the coaching staff truly thought Unger sucked (and I'm not saying he does)

…after watching tape of his career and evaluating him in practice and preseason, then why was he starting ahead of Wrotto at all? And why cut Wrotto? Doesn’t make sense.

Clearly Unger has been having major issues in the NFL, but then why was he starting? Just because he was a high pick? What about “always compete?”

by IslandHawk on Sep 14, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because we needed to fill the other spots on the Line.

They were really close to cutting Locklear. Hamilton and Pitts got hurt. He won the battle of attrition.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unger yunger

I’m sure they figured they would lose more by cutting Unger, because they’d be losing four years worth of exclusive rights (under a rookie contract; assuming his contract was five years) for a player who still has a lot of potential.

by Jason_D on Sep 14, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unger might be getting a bit too much flak here

But while I agree he was our weakest points, he was still a high draft pick. He needs his time developing, and if this means the FO is giving up on him then regardless of his current play, that sucks.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 14, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

But the guy who drafted him is gone

Who knows what Unger’s actual future with this team was, injury or no.

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

His value was at Center. He is just a below average guard. And with Spencer finally getting some respect I don’t really see the need for Unger.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the preseason I don't even know if we could say "below-average"

with the way he was getting blown back.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Sep 14, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let us take a moment to remember Leonard Weaver

Seattle placed him on IR for his 2nd season, following a high ankle sprain in 2006. He probably could have returned, but his value as a player had to be multiplied by the fraction of games for which he’d be available (half? a third?) that season, and doesn’t necessarily reflect his long-term value. Weaver returned and played 30 games over the next two seasons.

by Jason_D on Sep 15, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unger was a good pull blocker.

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on Sep 14, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This smells like one of those M's injuries we've seen the last few years...

Mike Sweeney, Carlos Silva, etc.

They might really not be happy with his play.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Sep 14, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess Unger couldn't toe the line.

Yeah, I just said that.

/dick joke

by Bloof on Sep 14, 2010 2:25 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Wrotto Schmotto

Just because we resigned him doesn’t mean we’ll start him. I think they’ll sooner find a place on the line for Stacy Andrews or, uh, Chester Whatshisname.

Bad news about Unger. But based on the way he was getting trashed around here in recent weeks, maybe this isn’t the worst news.

by Keasley on Sep 14, 2010 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think the team will move Andrews or Pitts to Right Guard

I’d imagine the real competition for the position would be Wrotto or Ben Hamilton, unless I’m forgetting anyone (assuming Mike Gibson remains at LG).

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right, and the job could be wide open

My personal preference is for Wrotto to get the job because Hamilton has looked pretty weak in the preseason….but I have no clue how to judge Andrews or Pitts as a guard. I’ll leave that to men much smarter than I.

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andrews

Andrews was pretty good as a RT but a disappointment as a Guard. He even says so himself. I think the plan would be to put our five best linemen on the field. That implies to me that the RG would be either Pitts, Wrotto or Locklear. I could see them installing Andrews as the RT with Locklear moving to RG. I would love to see Andrews at 6-7, 340 in the lineup. If they do not think Wrotto can start at RG why bring him back? So, we shall see on Sunday.

by Patches Pal on Sep 14, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully the Seahawks' equipment manager didn't toss out Wrotto's old jersey

 Whoever is in charge of sewing names onto the backs of player uniforms has made some pretty good coin so far this year with all the changes.

by sideshow bob on Sep 14, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

BREAKING NEWS: Seahawks sign Fullback Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala and Defensive End Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila

The team steward then awakens from his nightmare with a terrified scream, and discovers that he wet the bed.

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Where have you gone, TJ Houshmandzadeh?

A team (that makes way too many player transactions) turns its lonely eyes to you.

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I propose a nickname for the Hawks' OL

The T-1000. Previously seen morphing into dozens of different configurations as the bad guy in Terminator 2.

by sideshow bob on Sep 14, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup, the Hawks' 2009 draft class is proving...underwhelming

Hopes were high, but sinking, due to some unfortunate circumstances:

  • Unger’s struggles
  • Curry’s struggles
  • Courtney’s MS
  • Nick Reed’s lack of size / strength / quickness

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/4/26/854843/seattle-seahawks-2009-draft-recap

It seems that Q/PM can certainly evaluate talent and definitely get the team prepared and coached better than previous regimes.

by IslandHawk on Sep 14, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry didn't struggle much on Sunday

And Butler looks to be improved by a good deal compared to last season.

It may be a tad too soon to make any judgments about the 2009 draft (also don’t forget the trade we made that eventually netted us Earl Thomas).

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree it is too early to write the draft class of 2009 off

There is a reasonable chance Curry may figure it out over time and become the menacing force we thought he might be given his hype and draft position, and that Butler may become a reliable big-play threat.

But I personally find it hard to deny that the class has underachieved to date.

There are many linebackers who outplayed Curry last year. Unger, although a starter, hasn’t played well, and Butler has had very few receptions (although a couple big ones).

Cameron Morrah is still slowly coming along, and Teel was cut by multiple teams.

by IslandHawk on Sep 14, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

'Roid Boy?

Cushing himself said he either didn’t or caught it from a toilet seat, so he must not have used.

by Kryten on Sep 14, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to nitpick 7th round choices.

There’s a reason they were available that long.

by MT Olson on Sep 14, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

Though sometimes a few late-round gems can help salvage a bad draft if the high-rounders don’t pan-out.

by IslandHawk on Sep 14, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

A super optimistic take

would be that Carroll and company felt a full year on IR spent in the weight room building strength for Unger might be helpful for him long term…and in the short term Wrotto or some other combination on the right side with Andrews/Locklear is an adequate replacement, if not an upgrade.

by SSK13 on Sep 14, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

You are correct.

That is a super optimistic take.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Sep 14, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

you’re saying there’s a chance!

by SSK13 on Sep 14, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

If they put him on the Practice Squad he would be picked up by another team. This may be a win for everyone. Unger gets a year to learn and improve in the weight room. Alot of guys ned time to develop. He was pushed into the starting lineup on the O Line pretty quick. I don’t think they have given up on him at all. This move just improves our depth for next year.

by Patches Pal on Sep 14, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Unger is out for the season?

Semper Fi'
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Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Sep 14, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Good; wasn't sure if there was some kind of loophole that would allow a player to return early

I wonder if Rod Woodson was put on the IR when he tore his ACL in 1995, because I do believe he returned to play for the Steelers in the Super Bowl that year.

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what makes the story so cool.

They kept a roster spot for him all damn year.

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Sep 14, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's nothing "cool" about the Steelers

And Woodson did little to prevent the Cowboys beatdown.

Ah….good times.

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not worried.

He wasn’t exactly a stud out there, so I’d rather see Andrews or Pitts anyways. Nice to see Parks is sticking around.

by ChavaC on Sep 14, 2010 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Question

Who is the backup center?

Hamilton I presume?

But was it Unger beforehand?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Sep 14, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions  

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Jennings was given the role of backup long snapper at the beginning of the season after showing special teams coach Bruce DeHaven he was capable of handling the task last year.

I think this pretty much sums up Bruce DeHaven’s tenure here.

by BrianL on Sep 14, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Props to Jennings

You’re absolutely right.

And more evidence of Mora’s unparalleled stupidity. He used the situation to make fun of Jenning’s size, thinking that it was a self-effacing comment on the team’s preparedness that would amuse the media. But any non-lobotomized coach would have heaped praise on the player for being so versatile.

by Jason_D on Sep 15, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I need a basic tutorial here...

Can someone speak to the skill set that makes a guard different than a tackle? My thought before was that if he’s an offensive lineman who isn’t good enough to be a tackle, he’s a guard, but surely it’s not that simple.

by Lanky on Sep 14, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Basically, Guards are against bigger DTs, while Tackles are against faster DEs

Usually Guards are bigger and stockier than Tackles (who are usually taller). In many ways, I believe, the positions are interchangeable.

by J.L. White on Sep 14, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're not interchangable.

The athletic skill sets are pretty different, it kind of mirrors the differences between defensive tackles (guards) and defensive ends (tackles).

by Nate Dogg on Sep 14, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can be interchangeable.

Steve Hutchinson has the athletic ability to play LT at a high level. Some guards can play both positions. Generally, the RG is more strong than quick. But in a ZBS they are all quick. Locklear could easily play RG and with Andrews at RT we could have a strong right side to our O Line. Currently, we do not dominate anyone up front. Adding Andrews might change that.

by Patches Pal on Sep 14, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gonna call bs on this one.

Nope. Sorry, Hutch could not play LT at a high level, not even close. Hutchinson is a dominating in-line run blocker and a middling pass blocker. His skill set is PERFECT for driving back strong defensive tackles – but his poor foot speed and middling pass blocking skills mean he would get burned by the speed rushers that LTs have to deal with.

His value would plummet as a LT.

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by maxmillian on Sep 14, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hutch

When Hutch was with Seattle he was often mentioned as the backup to Walter Jones. Recently he as lost alot of foot speed and now is limited to playing guard. That wasn’t always the case.

by Patches Pal on Sep 14, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

This may mean nothing at all to anyone but me, but here's what I noticed looking at seahawks.com active roster:

1. Okung, Locklear and Polumbus are the only three linemen listed as tackles. Spencer is the only one listed as a center, and the rest are listed as guards. (Andrews, Dietrich-Smith, Gibson, Hamilton, Pitts, Wrotto)

2. By listed weight, 9 linemen are between 290 and 313. Andrews is 340.

3. Andrews is also the second tallest (6-7), just shy of Polumbus (6-8).

4. Average lineman age: 27. Okung is 22, Hamilton is 33. Pitts is 31. Everyone else is under 30.

5. Spencer and Andrews both went to Mississippi, and based on experience (S-6, A-7) I guess should have been just one year apart.

Of course a lineman’s skillset is more important than any of the points above, as far as position suitability. But there we are.

by Lanky on Sep 14, 2010 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Roster

Andrews and Pitts have both played tackle in the past and at a high level.

by Patches Pal on Sep 14, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

The more I think about this, I’m pretty impressed with the 10 guys they’ve cobbled together, potential-wise. Is that crazy?

by Lanky on Sep 14, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOGAN. MANKINS.

Is one of the best guards in the league, demanding a trade from the Patriots, and only 28 years old. He would IMMEDIATELY be the best player on our offensive line. How much easier is Okung’s transition with a perrenial all-pro next to him?

He wants a massive extension so we’d have to pay him – but so what? Barring injury he’s a pro-bowl player for 3 years, solid for another 2-4 after that. GOLD.

He’s disgruntled and the Pats know whoever takes him is going to have to ante up – so we could concievably get him for a 3rd round pick!

Ohgodpleez

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by maxmillian on Sep 14, 2010 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Scouts Inc. has him listed as the second-best guard in the league after Jahri Evans

Their breakdown:

“Mankins has been an ironman since entering the league in 2005, not missing a start during that period of time. Mankins plays with nastiness and a physical demeanor. He has good initial quickness off the ball and into blocking patterns. He does a good job of working to the second level. Mankins will get overextended at times in the run game, but does have recovery ability with good athleticism. He’s not an overpowering player at the line of scrimmage. He’s struggled versus power rushers when maintaining the depth of the pocket. Mankins will look to continue his excellent play in 2010”

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by maxmillian on Sep 14, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

In fact:

Scouts Inc. considers only 7 offensive lineman in the league to be more valuable! They are, in order of score:

Joe Thomas (LT)
Nick Mangold ©
Ryan Clady (LT)
Jake Long (LT)
Jahri Evans (G)
Michael Roos (LT)
and Marcus McNeil (LT)

We’re talking about a Top 10 talent on the offensive line! And he’s available! If you drafted a top 10 talent with a 3rd or 2nd round pick you would considered a genious – why not trade for one???

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by maxmillian on Sep 14, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't believe this is consistent with Schneider's or the ZBS's philosophy

Speculating…

They don’t want to spend resources (salary & draft picks) on great linemen, or even really good linemen. They want average to above-average linemen, at moderate cost, who can execute zone blocking.

Okung?

If the last draft had been rich in 2nd-round OT talent, and they could have traded their top pick for two 2nd-rounders, I think they would have done so. But that wasn’t the scenario. They probably had Okung pretty high on their draft boards (e.g., a top 3 pick)— so it was the combination of opportunity and glaring need that incited them to make an exception and spend resources on a (potentially) great lineman.

by Jason_D on Sep 15, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Hawks

don’t have a 3rd next year to pony up. Lost in the Whitehurst deal.

by Flahawker on Sep 15, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mankins ...

wants a long term deal. The Seahawks aren’t doing that this year. See Brandon Marshall and Vincent Jackson. I think we will be fine a guard with the guys we have got.

by Patches Pal on Sep 14, 2010 7:53 PM PDT reply actions  

you're right, he does

But note the stuff above! Isn’t he worth it?

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by maxmillian on Sep 14, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's good.

But guard seems to be one of those positions where almost nobody will pay big money for one.

by Chirp on Sep 14, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Used to be that way, but not anymore

Not when Hutch and compatriots rolled around in dough.

Dunno if the Pats’ll pay up tho. Not their style.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 15, 2010 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Marcus McNeil @LT & Mankins @ Guard

Anybody that wanted to buy a trip to the superbowl in an un-capped year…….There’s your big walt and hutch department of transportation right there.

by hazbro24 on Sep 15, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

And remember the last disgruntled holdout Patriot we traded the house for and then signed to a long term deal?

Don’t y’all knuckleheads know your sports voojoo?

Great move to IR Max, it frees up a roster spot without risking a developing talent to the marketplace. And it speaks volumes that Uncle Pete doesn’t want to ruin young talent to squeeze out a couple more wins. Another year in the weight room and the film room would be just what the Doctor ordered for Max.

by bleedshawkblue on Sep 14, 2010 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Ain't no voojoo

A 1st round pick for an undersized skill player without a long track record of success is bad business

A 2nd-3rd round pick for a Top 10 difference maker that has more than a few years left and can elevate the play of those around him? Good business.

I agree with your points about the wisdom of stashing Unger for a year – unless it stunts his development

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by maxmillian on Sep 15, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if this was posted yet...
Unger will need surgery to repair what Carroll labeled "a severe turf toe." He was placed on injured reserve Tuesday and faces a three month-plus rehab following the surgery.

by Chirp on Sep 15, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

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