Postgame: Seahawks 14 - Broncos 31
by John Morgan on Sep 19, 2010 4:36 PM PDT
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PrintI want to be optimistic. I feel optimistic. I don't feel beat down by this game. So I am going to be optimistic. There truly is a lot to be optimistic about, but before I tap that, let's take care of a few things.
The long pass attempt directed at Deion Branch on fourth and two was suicidal. Whether it was play call or read, that decision was aborted in the tube.
Walter Thurmond had a rookie moment. Now that it's over, I think we can accept that. Kid was nervous. Kid screwed up bad.
Seattle does not have a functional pass rush. I know people want more blitzing. The Seahawks do blitz, just not terribly often. They do not have a ton of talent to send on a blitz. Lofa Tatupu is not a great blitzer. David Hawthorne has shown flashes. Aaron Curry has shown flashes. Who do you send? Blitzing reflexively, blitzing because you are desperate for pass rush, is cutting off your nose to spite your face. The Seahawks have a quality secondary. Keep it stacked, and find some pass rushers. Find a starting Leo end.
Matt Hasselbeck is brutal. I know we all had a holding hands, better together moment with our foregone greatest quarterback ever, but every opponent from now until he retires will sit on routes. Double moves will not work forever. Better teams have better safeties that stay over top. Everything Hasselbeck spins hangs. Receivers are consistently caught playing defensive back. It would be one thing if there were picks and only picks, and there are picks for sure, but there's so many near picks. It's hard to see the interceptions going away. It started last season, it started in 2006 if we want to be honest with ourselves, and I think today is the death gurgle. Hasselbeck is everything you want in a quarterback, but when the arm goes, it's like a great junk baller with a batting practice fast ball. You're going to get some outs and you're going to give up some bombs.
On to the good stuff.
This run defense is legit. Yawn. I don't think I need to keep typing that.
Brandon Mebane was dominant. He generated interior pressure, recorded two tackles for a loss and another for no gain and was, all game, quintessential Me! Bane!
The defensive line was mostly good. Colin Cole showed some range. He manages playing nose. Sometimes he's kicked back. Rarely does he generate pressure, but as a pure nose, playing over center and controlling gaps, he's good. He is good enough.
Aaron Curry made small strides towards his potential. He blew up two pass attempts in the back field. Those are awareness plays, and that's welcome. His ability to pressure is improving ... maybe. It's game to game with Curry, but this game felt like improvement.
Deon Butler had a nice little start to the game. He gets pounded running short routes, but that's where he excels and that's where he needs to be targeted. Hopefully his later game disappearance is nothing significant, because wringing value out of Tim Ruskell's big wager would be nice. If Butler can be Eddie Royal-like, however reduced, it would be another talent added to a talented, young wide receiver corps.
Golden Tate is awesomely athletic. It's crazy, on the one hand, he looks so so lost. He looks like he is absolutely stumbling through the play. And then, when you look up, he's fifty yards down the field. Tate is potential personified. He's in over his head, but with talent like his, strides will come in leaps (and screw ups will feel like slow death.)
Seahawks fans complained about Niners fans complaining about the Niners defeating themselves. Well, shoes on the other foot. San Francisco did own a good bit of Seattle's week one stomping, and the Seahawks own a good bit of this blowout loss. Turnovers are deadly. Stacking them, especially early in the game, especially early in the game with an offense that can not produce explosive plays, is efficient suicide. And so Seattle plunged the tanto in their abdomen and all that was left was the bleeding out.
Game Ball: Mebane. Some guys control like Cole. Some guys knife in like Clemons. Few can do both, and fewer still do both simultaneously. Mebane is a weird profile. You wouldn't expect him to be good at basketball or tennis or track and field. He doesn't blow doors off with his generic tools. Brandon is purest of the pure defensive tackle. If you wanted to build an under tackle for an under system, you build that mother like Brandon Mebane.
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The Branch play was on 4th and 2, not 3rd and 2.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
I don't necessarily want more blitzing, but three man rushes with Red Bryant are awful.
At least bring a fourth pass rusher.
Are you arguing that we shouldn't have blitzed more?
I understand that Clemons was a bit gimpy this week, but we don’t have any LEOs past him (apologies to Dexter Davis) right now, so do you just continue to get picked apart all game to the tune of a 70%+ 3rd down ratio?
How about T3 blitzing? Thomas? Hawthorn?
Just a little bit to mix it up and make Orton think and react a bit?
I think these 5-6 man blitzes are useless
Games like these is where I miss Pistol coming off the edge.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
Well, watching Orton have all day to throw to his talented WRs was useless and futile as well
Might as well try to do something new rather than being Singletary-like stubborn with something that isn’t working
And I miss Pistol as well
Watching Jennings get continual beaten week after week, year after year, like a redheaded stepchild makes me throw up in my mouth.
I hope we keep Tate on punt returns
Also, maybe some WR screens? Something to get him the ball in a little space.
Agreed, Tate is another silver lining for this game
At least we have some young talent to watch develop as we struggle to become more respectable this year.
Don't even get me started on these screens
That 1 blocker (Spencer) screen was bewildering. We can’t run them well and we had trouble defending them.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
True that. Maybe for competition Wednesdays, Pete should just practice screens
…all day long #1 offense versus #2 defense
We look….so bad. On screens.
I've noticed our trouble stopping screens as well.
wonder if that is scheme or awareness. Or both?
It is what it is...
Great game guys
Tate is looking to be a solid receiver, and I’m all for Earl Thomas winning Defensive Rookie of the Year award, he’s everywhere these past two games.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Positives
- Offensive line (pass blocking)
- Defensive line (run stuffing)
- Golden Tate, Deon Butler, Deion Branch
- ME! BANE! CURRY! THOMAS!
Negatives
- Matt Hasselbeck. When Seahawk Addicts finally admits Hasselbeck is the problem, you know you’re finished.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
Yup, they looked decent run blocking today
The announcers implied we went to man-blocking. Does anyone have an idea what percentage of man-blocking there was out there today?
I wish we would have run the ball a bit more given the success we did have (and given Matt’s bag of suckage today).
Also, a bit more misdirection on offense would be cool. It seems as if teams are scheming to use the Hawks’ aggressiveness against us with the misdirection. I’d love to turn the tables a bit on that.
They were stereotyping.
Just because you’re running to a designated hole in-between the tackles doesn’t mean you’re man blocking.
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Excellent surge.
I also was impressed with the run-blocking, particularly in the first half.
Red Bryant: surprise us!
Another negative that i have to add
Pass rush – Rare at best and couldn’t finish the sack when there was pressure
It's permanently a negative until the positive play against the Rams
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
You mean it was so bad...
it should be listed twice?
I agree.
I would have rather watched in the 2nd half
Charlie Whitehurst….I felt this was an opportunity for him to throw a pass or two…I really think we need to consider in games like these where we are competing, but obviously a little out of sync (and needing a boost) that he deserves a shot…..like the effort, 3rd downs killed us, but we weren’t ran all over…MEH!!!
"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."
Hass doesn't have another "good" season left in him.
I don’t care what they gave up for Whitehurst, but they need to sell the farm to get Andrew Luck next year. He’s a freakshow, combination of Elway and Manning.
Locker is looking more like Tebow.
Did he (Locker) get a ....
Friar Tuck cut???? ….:P
"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."
I think your thinking of Mallet?
Luck has been pedestrian at best so far.
7 picks for 7 quarterbacks in Draft 2011! EFF IT!
by Seatown_Sport_Head321 on Sep 19, 2010 5:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
are you watching the same games?
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2009 162 288 2575 56.3 8.94 63 13 4 6 143.47
2010 45 70 674 64.3 9.63 81 10 0 1 192.31
that’s 65% comp, and 10 tds in two games for 674 yards.
The stats aren't telling the whole story.
Luck has been good, but not enough is shown to indicate he’s pro-caliber.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 19, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
But plenty of time for him to show it.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 19, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Thurmond having a rookie moment rubs me the wrong way
because he shouldn’t have been returning the punt in the first place.
If Leon Washingon is only going to get a token amount of touches on offense, he should absolutely be the returning both punts and kicks. And if they think Leon doesn’t have enough big play ability left in him, then go with Golden Tate. I just don’t get how Thurmond is even an option on special teams.
It's a mystery to me why they would trade for Leon Washington
and not make him their special teams ace.
Maybe he didn't outplay Thurmond.
He’s also coming off a broken leg, maybe they don’t feel comfortable giving him those touches.
If they thought Thurmond was the real deal, Forsett wouldn't have been returnign punts last week.
And as far as injury concerns go, Thurmond is the guy they should be worried about getting hurt on special teams. Thurmond is the one with the bum knee, and he’s the guy who is supposed to be our CB of the future.
If Washington gets hurt, who cares? He’s up there in age, and probably won’t be back next year.
None of what you're saying is wrong, but none of it precludes Thurmond as a punt returner.
We don’t know what these guys have been doing in practice or what their health situations are or what the coaches had gameplanned for them.
If he had returned that punt for a touchdown I don’t think you’d be complaining about him being back there. Muffed punts happen.
Especially on the road early in a rookie season with sunshine and a hostile crowd
I’d much rather see Washington or Force in there in that situation. The Hawks match up well with Denver for the most part, and I just didn’t see the need to gamble with a rookie in that situation.
In m yopinion, the best punt returner on the team is Golden Tate
I don’t know….I don’t like the idea of a rookie cornerback who had a major knee injury just a year ago returning punts, unless your were DAMN sure he was really, really good at it. Does Pete not realize that the preseason is over, and that he should have stopped playing Punt Returner Roulette weeks ago?
Maybe Thurmond was a better returner in college than Tate, but Golden just seams to have the natural athletic ability that is useful for returning kicks and punts, and doing so would be a good way to exploit his abilities while he’s still getting used to the NFL grind. Unless there was a good WT3 return in the preseason that I missed, I think Pete cost the Seahawks 7 points on a whim.
That’s just my opinion, though.
Thurmond was an outstanding returner.
Better than Tate. Earl Thomas might even be a better returner than either one of them, but we’ll never see that.
I agree about the knee, and think that Washington should be doing both, or Washington and Tate, especially if we aren’t using them that much on offense. But I have no doubt that Thurmond is “really, really good at it.”
Watch him with the ball in his hands if you get the chance and then make the judgement.
That's a bit disingenuous. College is not the same.
It is is his first road game in the NFL. He had to be feeling a bunch of jitters, who of us wouldn’t? It is not easy to go into Mile High Stadium as their record indicates.
The good news is that Pete has a lot of confidence in young players. But it is a two-edged sword at times.
I am hopeful T3 will be a great CB and returner for us. I just think Washington, who is a Pro-bowl returner and NFL veteran would have been a better choice.
The muffed punt was a huge momentum swing after one of the very very few times our D held on 3rd down, and might have turned the tide of the game in 20/20 hindsight.
He needs to get his first "away" return sometime.
And this was not a crucial game or situation. Next time, he’ll be a little more experienced.
Leon Washington
Doesn’t really have that many miles on his legs. He only had about 360 carries at Florida State spread over all four years (season high only 138). He’s also only had 376 carries in the pros never averaging more than 10 carries a game in a season. And in high school he was a cornerback. Washington should be one of the freshest 28 year running backs the league has ever seen.
Stats are not a euphemism for tits
I was cursing Pete on that one as well. Putting a rookie in on the road in that position is....aggressive
Pete didn’t fumble, but he did put a lot of pressure on T3 in that situation.
Were you cursing Pete for putting Tate in that position?
What with the fact that he is also a rookie, on the road, in that position?
Well I'd probably put in Tate if it came down to rookies
Receivers tend to be better with the ball handling than DBs.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
We have no idea though how WW3 looks returning in practice.
He could be lightning….and just got the jitters.
"Find a starting Leo end."
I couldn’t help notice that Shawne Merriman will be a free agent after this season and it’s looking unlikely that the Chargers will resign him.
I don't think spending a mint on a used-up vet is the direction this team is going anymore.
Thankfully.
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by Wayward Llama on Sep 19, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
But he can rush the passer
and you know he’ll be motivated to earn that next big contract.
by Hawkhammer19 on Sep 19, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree but remember he was coming off that knee injury
All I’m saying is that 6-4 265 with a history of getting after the passer is an intriguing fit for our Leo spot.
by Hawkhammer19 on Sep 19, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Merriman is a different player when he is chemically enhanced
I wouldn’t want to see him in a Seahawk uniform at this point, given the potential cost
It just seems like this would be a good place for him to potentially revive his career
I like the idea of the Hawks advertising our Leo spot as where formerly dominant DEs can come and do nothing but rush the passer.
We have to cut a corner or two at some point don’t we? Mike Williams was definitely a good start on that though.
by Hawkhammer19 on Sep 19, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It's just a matter of cost, in the end
Merriman might not be as expensive as Julius Peppers was in the offseason, but he’ll probably fetch a contract that’s for more than he’s worth. If he’s affordable, however, then he might very well be a good fit at Leo.
We'll have to pay him a lot
but I don’t think it would have to be longer than a year or two. Assuming he doesn’t set the world on fire this year, the next contract he signs will be a short one so he can reestablish himself as a dominant pass rusher.
by Hawkhammer19 on Sep 19, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Dear Lord no
You guys can do so much better than ligaments-out. He’s done
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
It pains me to see bad words written about Matt.
You loved him last week and killed him this?
I know that a lot of people now will snub their noses at me backing him, but I still think he is a better option than Whitehurst. That said, Pete should have put Charlie in when it 31-7, see what he can do in a real game.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 19, 2010 5:05 PM PDT reply actions
If we are rebuilding...
I am not against Matt, but I agree 31-7, let see what this Kid can do! It’s all about the competition…right???
"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."
I think these two games are outliers
Going forward, I see Hasselbeck keeping both teams in the game.
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
If the season is lost by say, week 9 (and with the way other teams are playing I doubt this)
They might as well give it a try because I can easily see Matt throwing away several winnable games.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
I didn't love Hasselbeck last week
I wrote “Matt Hasselbeck did not look radically different than he has for many years.”
by John Morgan on Sep 20, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I think my counter-argument is this:
While it may be true that Matt is a better option, we still don’t know much about Whitehurst. Let’s think of Matt as a known – say our chance of winning is 40%. If we all agreed that wasn’t good enough, the logical move is to put in Whitehurst. In my mind, Whitehurst is a 30% chance of winning…. plus or minus 20%. There’s still a lot to learn about Charlie’s performance, while Matt is basically a known quantity. So while it may be true that, next Sunday, Matt gives us a better chance to win the game, it doesn’t necessarily mean that we should keep playing him. Of course that determination all hinges on our opinions of just how low Matt has degraded. If we’re still going to be competitive in this division with him, we obviously stick with him. If not, it’s time to see what Charlie offers.
The only thing saving Hass is the end of season last year
I know INTs aren’t the end-all be-all of QB productivity, but if we were looking at Hass having thrown 14 INTs by Week 6 in one year, I think people would have a different opinion on his long term future at QB … yet that’s what’s happened. 14 INTs in the last 6 consecutive games and, IMO, very questionable touch on pretty much anything over 10-15 yards. Two of the INTs were floaters for easy pickin’s.
Yeah, it's getting grim isn't it?
Also, doesn’t it seem like Hasselbeck’s style of play would lend itself to fewer INTs, not more? I would think shorter passes would generally correlate with higher completion percentages and lower INT rates. Does anyone know where to back that up (or refute it)?
Agreed. Our boy Matt is on a serious decline. He is what his QB rating says he is
QB rating last five years:
2010/11……..74.1
2009/10……..75.1
2008/09……..57.8
2007/08……..91.4
2006/07……..76.0
Not happy numbers, and Matt definitely had time to throw Sunday, and a reasonable running game. I realize Whitehurst is likely worse, but we will never know until we give him a live NFL shot. If Charlie continues to lock onto receivers and have trouble with reads, progressions, and stupid picks, well hell, we are getting stupid picks from Hass right now anyway, without the downfield threat. Charlie has had enough development time on the bench in his career. I say throw him in there for a few games, and let’s see what he can do in a real game that matters. If he sucks like many expect, at least that helps us prioritize our offseason.
Hopefully we can get him in in garbage time soon
if nothing else. Dude needs NFL snaps somethin fierce.
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I'm liking this Earl Thomas kid
Eight tackles in your second NFL game is pretty good. He was in on a lot of plays. Not perfect, hasn’t got a pick yet, but I think he’ll be an impact player.
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
by TheLaird on Sep 19, 2010 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If he keeps playing like he has for the past two weeks
I could see DROY award coming his way.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Yes!
I was just going to post this. Earl Thomas was in on 75% of the tackles I saw this game he is everywhere. A few coverage mistakes but that’s expected in a rookie. He is more than I ever hoped for when we drafted him.
by alexander_37 on Sep 19, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Was Dexter Davis...
Inactive today??? Sorry, I know I should have looked this up first, but I cannot remember hearing his name! Seemed liked this would have been a good opportunity for him.
"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."
I'm fine with Matt as our QB as long as he comes to play for the home games.
But if he can’t even do that right, it’s Whitehurst time.
I'm optimistic as well...
1) The o-line played well.
2) The d-line played well, except no pass rush.
3) Curry definitely seems to be improving. Couple of nice TFLs.
4) Seahawks overall seem to be trending toward being a physical team.
Things that perplex me:
1) Throwing a fade to Deion Branch
2) …with Champ Bailey on him….
3) TWICE. WTF
4) On 3rd and 8+, getting into our soft zone, giving each receiver a cushion >= first down yardage.
5) How Kelly Jennings could have fooled us last week. I don’t know which was worse – the self-takeout-stumble, or the 6 receptions allowed despite < 6 inches of cumulative separation generated by the receiver. What good is cover skills if even Neckbeard can get it to the receiver and you can’t/won’t make a play.
6) Thurmond: Not the fumble – but he should have known to just Jon Ryan it out of bounds, instead of trying to recover. Don’t know if that’s on him or the coaches, but Tate looks every bit the answer at PR.
7) Tate calling for a FC on the 5. He’ll figure that out.
Things I don’t like, but I don’t think we can do anything about yet…
1) Hasselbeck. I think he’s the best option for the team, but jeez. We knew he wasn’t on the same page with BMW, but now it looks like he and Carlson have never played together.
2) Lack of a pass rush. They did the right thing by not hitting the FA market, and there wasn’t good draft value there this year. I hope there’s a deeper DE class next year, because they need both starters and depth there.
3) Thomas: ET was alright making tackles – could have wrapped up better – but he’s still late in getting there in the passing game. I’m confident he’ll get better, but it will take time.
by PerryCollective on Sep 19, 2010 5:43 PM PDT reply actions
I have to defend Tate on that fair catch call.
The Broncos coverage team was in perfect position to down that ball on the 1 if Tate let’s it bounce.
by Bildo on Sep 19, 2010 6:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, my first reaction is what is he doing that catching it inside the 10
…and then I realized that the ball came down brining rain, and might have been downed inside the 5.
I saw that too...
But the 5 isn’t too much better than the 1…and stopping a knuckleball bouncing at the 5 is not an easy thing to do. Not a huge deal, though.
by PerryCollective on Sep 19, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Thomas has just put in the second of two of the better rookie safety games I've ever seen
We knew he wasn’t a great tackler, but he was everywhere today.
by JamesMurphy on Sep 19, 2010 6:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He is coming off a bad thigh bruise, I couldn't tell if he was getting separation
But it would have been nice to get him the ball a bit more
Agreed...
Even though it seems like Matt and BMW haven’t clicked as well as they did in the preseason, I’d rather them work on that now, because they are going to need it if they are going anywhere. And if (when) Hass is replaced, BMW will have had more reps/targets.
And it’s not like Matt has an Engram-ish relationship with any of the other receivers…
by PerryCollective on Sep 19, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Red Zone
With his size I would think he is the best option in the endzone
The future is looking better
Five turnovers doesn't make me happy.
If I were a coach, I’d. Have. Holmgrenized…. that locker room.
Golden!
If not for the mental mistakes, this is a close game
You don’t get to the opponent’s 1 yard line and don’t get in. And you don’t thrust yourself into panic mode after a couple of (admittedly bad) penalties and throw a pick. Muffing kickoffs doesn’t help either. Forcing a throw(!) on a 4th-and-2, not so much.
These are all correctable mistakes. It’s a good thing they happened in notoriously tough Denver in Week 2. The talent’s there. This is a very improved team. It’s the discipline that killed us today, but there’s reason to be hopeful.
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by Shrug on Sep 19, 2010 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like this post a lot.
And I agree. I do think that playing in Denver is a lot tougher (especially early in the season) than Hawk fans have been giving it credit for. Altitude and heat and etc., there’s a reason why they literally do not lose home openers.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 19, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to read
“Mario Williams to make Seahawks debut vs. Chargers” but that’s not realistic.
Mathews was carted off the field today so they just need to stop Sproles (oh god they’ll kill us on screens then) and then focus entirely on pass defending.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
Doesn't sound like Mathews is out for next week
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 20, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't really call his first one a "good" game.
It was a ok game because the 49ers corners are overly aggressive.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 19, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The fanbase is nuts.
There isn’t really a way to argue against his first game, the stats speak for themselves. I know a lot of people want him out, but that isn’t a reason to deny a good performance.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 19, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Seattle fans are great in general, but every fan base has a few flip floppers.
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by Topher Doll on Sep 19, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
He had 170 yards, a touchdown, an interception and a sack on 23 attempts.
by John Morgan on Sep 20, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good game guys...I see a lot of similarities in our two teams
The mistakes the Seahawks made were eerily similar to how we played last week. Your running backs looked sick against our front 7.
Earl Thomas and Golden Tate were some sick pick-ups for you guys. I wanted us to draft both of them in the off-season…it was good to see that my thoughts were on target in both cases.
I hope for you sakes Pete’s play calling / Hassleback’s play gets better or it is going to be a long year. Throwing on Champ in tight coverage like that in the red zone is suicide. That 4th and 2 throw was just bizarre. They had the first down over to the right side of the field (same direction that Matt was rolling to). I don’t know why he didn’t just toss it for the easy 1st.
Good luck with your season
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
I wonder whether or not that was Matt's decision to throw it deep
Because you’re right, there was an open man.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
I think it was the first read on the play - but also designed to clear the corner.
Matt never bothered to check down even though Forsett would’ve had the easy 1st.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 19, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
You would actually hope so
…because if the coach drew it up and called it like that, then that is a bigger problem in my opinion.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
With the Cards being destroyed by the Falcons, the Rams losing to Raiders,
and Niners (most likely) going to get annihilated tomorrow by the Saints.
This must be the worst division in ages.
This is how the rest of the NFC West matchups should end up
Seahawks @ Rams – Seahawks win
Rams @ Seahawks – Seahawks win
Seahawks @ 49ers – 49ers win
Cardinals @ Seahawks – Seahawks win
Seahawks @ Cardinals – Cardinals win
Rams @ Cardinals – Cardinals win
49ers @ Cardinals – 49ers win
Cardinals @ 49ers – 49ers win
Rams @ 49ers – 49ers win
49ers @ Rams – Rams win (why not? Upset win)
It’s a two horse race for the division and it didn’t change today.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
I think the Hawks have a definite shot at beating the Cards twice.
Hell, they have a shot at all of the division games the teams are so poor.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 19, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see it now....
7-9 and making the playoffs!
by biggiestylez on Sep 19, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
We also have a definite chance of making Derek Anderson look good.
Without a decent pass rush, they still do have some good talent at WR. Breaston has speed, and talent. Fitzgerald we all know. Hopefully we can dominate their OL…but I wouldn’t count on making Anderson look bad.
If we have at least a 5-1 division record this year
plus 3-4 games outside the division, then the NFC West is ours.
by Seahawksfan23 on Sep 19, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember that we still have the Raiders, Bucs and Panthers
Plus the Chiefs and Giants at home….I could see us easily getting 3-4 wins from that group of 5.
Judging by these first two weeks though, some of those teams could be tougher than expected.
The Chiefs and the Bucs have been particularly surprising.
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You are such an ass sometimes. That was mean, brilliant, and accurate. That line moved me like your writing often does. It made me mad, sad, and smile all at the same time. It’s why I read this site.
Okay.... I'm in.
Am I the only one.
Who expected our run game to absolutely suck again with Hambone and Andrews but was pleasantly surprised? If this game had been more mistake free, we could’ve used the run game more often and set up a much more pleasant and manageable game for Matt.
Denver did not outmatch us by much. The win felt very attainable after the half. After all those games vs. TB, GB, Houston, and Arizona last year, this is one of the softest losses in awhile. Just a lot of unfortunate turns.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Actually, I felt like we were the better team...
Except for Matt’s shortcomings and mistakes.
But if there’s one thing we Seahawk fans are used to, that’s coming back from Denver with a loss.
I think we’ve lost there more than any other away place.
Oh, yeah... forgot about the no-pass rush
and the third down failures…
But otherwise, they looked good.
Matt Hasselbeck = Jamie Moyer
And that’s a compliment; you can still win games even if you have a wet noodle for a right arm. Overall Matt has been an accurate and efficient passer…..I just worry that Matt may not fully realize that his arm precludes him from making some passes that he shouldn’t.
The fact is, opposing defenders are always going to have an extra split-second to watch the ball because of Matt’s really weak arm, so he must learn to avoid throwing floaters anywhere near cornerbacks. In a certain sense, he’ll have to throw a pass that’s just as likely to not be intercepted as being caught by his receiver. The only question is if this old dog can learn any new tricks.
Mebane has some pro bowl talent
Seriously
Split Seahawks/Texans fan. Don't like it? Don't care.
I agree about being optimistic.
I noticed that not once during this game did I get that hopeless feeling I got constantly last season and also that game against the Giants in ‘08. It didn’t feel like every game is going to be just like this one. Probably because minus the INTs, the offense looked pretty darn good. Here’s to beating the Chargers next week.
but the defense
I really don’t understand how the Bronoc’s just marched down field on the Squawks. Like I wanna know schematically how the fuck they just did that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
by jubelthebear on Sep 20, 2010 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions
No pass rush = Orton chewing you up and spitting you out
It was the story last season and it will be this season too. I honestly and with no homerism put Orton as 2nd place to Peyton Manning as the best NFL QBs at reading defenses playing right now. If you don’t pressure him, he will do exactly what he did today…keep the chains moving and then give you a couple big shots to the jaw.
The Denver offense is very complex and is founded on taking what the defense gives you. Without pressure, there will be someone open or at least one-on-one (and our WRs are sick this year).
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Nothing new
I’ve been watching the Seahawks get beat in Denver for over 30 years. K.C. is the other one that when the season starts, if we play there, might as well mark ‘em as a loss in advance. All things considered I’m of course not happy with a loss, but feel it to be the natural order of things. Pete Carroll has a big job in front of him but I for one am more than happy with the progress so far. “GO SEAHAWKS!!!”
At least we haven't missed Housh much with Butler and Tate stepping up this week and Williams last week
Whoa:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Rough-return-for-Houshmandzadeh-blames-himself-for-loss.html
Branch has been reasonably solid as well, and Obo is making a play or two each game.
Sorry Matt..........
I have to agree with the comment about giving CW a shot….mainly because its early and it seems pretty obvious no one is going to run away with this division. Over the last couple of years we have been able to cast some blame on Matt’s interceptions with our makeshift offensive lines. The three interceptions Sunday had nothing to do with pressure….they were horrendous throws. Its as if his arm strength is gone or going. I like what he has done in the past but every athlete tables off at some point, some recoup, some are finished. I don’t know which category Matt is in yet, but now might be the time to give Whitehurst a shot. Matt is confident enough that I don’t think it would crash his psyche (ala Vince Young) and may be the spur he needs to return to his old form.
Unfortunately, I think Matt has never lacked for motivation and competitiveness
His brain is writing checks his right arm can no longer cash.
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