Settle for Nothing Now Settle for Nothing Later
Matt Hasselbeck has never been flawless. No quarterback has or ever will be. And one bad a game is not reason to bench him. In 2004, the season before Hasselbeck led the Seahawks to the Super Bowl, he completed 14 of 41 passes and threw four interceptions against the future 6-10 Arizona Cardinals. No, no one is pointing towards last week and saying Hasselbeck should be benched because of one bad performance.
To pretend this is one bad game or that a run of interceptions is somehow a low point in the trajectory of Hasselbeck's career is deluded. Hasselbeck has been the exact same quarterback he was last Sunday for years. Benching Hasselbeck is not an indictment. It's a practical move towards the future. No single player has so personified the Seahawks franchise spinning its wheels like Hasselbeck. The problem is not that Matt had a bad game or that he has had multiple poor seasons, it's that there is virtually no chance that Seattle can become a contender again with Hasselbeck as their starting quarterback.
Kurt Warner led a 9-7 team that stumbled into a hot streak in the playoffs. That's the big, weighty name people like to toss around, and Warner's 2008 Cardinals team, a fluke squad in the history of one of the most poorly run and unsuccessful franchises in the history of the NFL, is the prime example people exploit to prove that a Hasselbeck led squad can still be a contender.
Maybe I'm a little less defeated, desperate, but a chance run that ends in defeat from a terrible franchise mired in failure, is not the model I want for the Seahawks. I would rather Seattle burn first round pick after first round pick looking for a young, developing talent that can become a Peyton, Eli, Ben, Tom or Drew and watch my Seahawks become ass-stomping world beaters that other teams hate but only half as much as they fear, than clutch to fairy tale scenarios of near victory.
1-10-SEA 20 (3:48) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short right to 89-J.Carlson.
John Carlson is lined up wide right, one on one opposite Brian Dawkins. This is the matchup Jeremy Bates exploited earlier. Bates wants more easy yards. Carlson dashes up field. Hasselbeck drops three steps, targets and tosses the ball high and out of bounds incomplete.
2-10-SEA 20 (3:44) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short right to 89-J.Carlson to SEA 26 for 6 yards (33-N.Jones, 56-R.Ayers).
Hasselbeck and Seattle expertly sell play action before rolling right. Carlson cuts underneath and behind the line and squirts free on the right. Hasselbeck looks off Deon Butler before finding Carlson underneath for six.
3-4-SEA 26 (2:59) (Shotgun) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short middle to 83-D.Branch to SEA 32 for 6 yards (33-N.Jones).
Deion Branch runs from the left slot into a dig, but accomplishing this, must wrestle through a determined and persistent press by Nate Jones. That's no mean feat for Seattle's lithe, oft-injured receiver. Hasselbeck surveys. Branch is working to get open, but an outside linebacker is mugging the throwing lane, making any pass ill-advised. Justin Forsett releases in a hook route on the right and that draws the linebacker down, opens the lane and Hasselbeck fires high but Branch reaches and pulls down the first.
1-10-SEA 32 (2:25) 22-J.Jones up the middle to SEA 38 for 6 yards (20-B.Dawkins).
Chris Spencer and Stacy Andrews double Ronald Fields and that's about the long and short of the run. Tyler Polumbus misses a cut block that proves incidental. No other noteworthy blocks or failures. Julius Jones sprints straight up field and falls forward for six.
2-4-SEA 38 (1:50) PENALTY on SEA-77-S.Andrews, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 38 - No Play.
2-9-SEA 33 (1:26) 22-J.Jones up the middle to SEA 36 for 3 yards (79-M.Thomas).
Ben Hamilton and Chris Spencer double out Fields, Jones runs up, Spencer disengages and tosses D.J. Williams to the turf, but Hamilton can not sustain the block and Fields closes, and from the left, Marcus Thomas tackles.
3-6-SEA 36 (:46) (Shotgun) 8-M.Hasselbeck sacked at SEA 33 for -3 yards (94-J.Moss, 55-D.Williams). Penalty on SEA, Illegal Shift, declined. WATCH HIGHLIGHT
Seneca Wallace runs himself into sacks in agonizing fashion. This is how Hasselbeck runs himself into a sack.
Receive from shotgun, one second passes, no pressure, Hasselbeck runs forward, Robert Ayers, playing this snap as the right defensive end, reaches out from Polumbus and hooks Hasselbeck, stopping him. Williams and Jarvis Moss jumps the pile and finishes the sack, respectively.
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Rage...rage against the aging of the Quarterback
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Sep 22, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
Try saying it with Tom Morello playing the guitar.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Sep 22, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That sack, looking at it again: was it possible it was a designed QB draw? Has the feel of it.
Carroll said Bates sees now that Matt’s a runner and they will design some things for that. Or maybe it’s a desperate attempt at smokescreening for upcoming opponents.
Matt a runner
I thought Carrol was joking with those comments.
Fade routes to Deion Branch only work against Kelly Jennings
by BleedGreenandBlue on Sep 22, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh maybe he was.
That makes more sense. I only read them so that might’ve been lost on me.
by jacobstevens on Sep 22, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool.
Settle for Nothing Now Settle for Nothing Later
RageAgainstTheMachine?
You impress me.
Semper Fi'
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Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Sep 22, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Damn, you beat me to it.
PUT HIM IN A BODY BAG
Huh, this halfway fits this thread.
A few things
A) Hasselbeck is starting on Sunday. As right as John Morgan might be, that’s the reality. I am in the camp that believes Beck still gives us the better chance to win games right now. I reserve the right to change my mind after this week, during the bye, or before week 10, etc.
B) Does anyone actually think Hasselbeck has ANY chance to get re-signed by the Seahawks? I’m the biggest Beck loyalist you will find, and even I know next season he’s either going to clutch a clipboard in another NFL city or retire.
C) There’s little doubt that we will see some of Charlie Whitehurst this season, whether via injury or ineffectiveness from Hasselbeck. I don’t really see the compelling argument to put him in this early in the season. Let things play out a bit; perhaps Beck will surprise us.
D) Unless CW is the second coming of Tom Brady (he aint), we’re going to draft a QB in the first or second round next spring. The size of CW’s sample, or even his level of play, doesn’t seem likely to affect this reality. The most plausible scenario seems to be: CW gets SOME live action this year, and goes into camp in 2011 as the presumptive starter, until Carroll feels comfortable throwing Mallett/Luck/Locker/Some other kid into the fire.
I guess I agree with the larger point that Beck’s time as the starter is up quite soon; I just don’t agree that he HAS TO BE YANKED, and RIGHT THIS SECOND.
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by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 22, 2010 3:27 PM PDT reply actions
No doubt he's starting
But right now I consider it more likely Hasselbeck will lose us games than win them. Whether or not Whitehurst is much better remains to be seen, but at the end of the day I predict Hasselbeck will not be starting week 17.
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You are PROBABLY right
but I still hope that you ultimately aren’t. :)
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by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 22, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not? Do we really value going 8-8 or 9-7, and being one-and-done in the playoffs over the long-term health of the organization?
Nevermind that Matt probably can’t even take us that far, I don’t think contending and being a crappy playoff team that a good playoff team rolls over is an acceptable goal. Look Charlie Whitehurst probably sucks. But we don’t know for sure. He could come out and run a 90 passer rating. You can’t say “He ain’t [Tom Brady]” without seeing him play a meaningful amount of regular season snaps.
Look, I fucking doubt he’s Tom Brady too. But we don’t fucking know. And we won’t know until he plays. The bigger the sample we have of Charlie playing in the NFL, the better. I’d rather have 230 pass attempts to judge his talent on than 100, or even, say, 190. Matt’s not taking us anywhere except maybe the wild card round. Charlie probably won’t even take us that far, but there’s potential he can take us further. I mean, Matt was awful in 2008, really really bad in 2009, and even including the opener, hasn’t looked good this year either. His performance against San Francisco was “decent”, not “impressive”
There’s just no reason for Matt to continue playing, other than the fact that fans would be butthurt if he didn’t. What other NFL organization would let a crappy old veteran continue to play this long? Look at what Brady did to Bledsoe, and, well, what Romo did to Bledsoe. Good teams aren’t afraid to tell old former stars to hold the clipboard or take a hike.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, hasn't Matt had two freakin' years to show us that he has ANY of his past form?
Because since last year, I haven’t seen ANY of it. Maybe he still had some zip early in 2008, but since then he’s been a check-down machine. The odds of him surprising us are extremely low. Yeah, he got hurt in 2008. Well, boo-hoo. Durability is just another of many skills Matt doesn’t have anymore. He’s never looked the same since that injury, he’s 35, and only truly elite players make it past their mid-30s in any sport. Matt was a good-to-great QB, but he was never elite. I don’t get why people have been willing to “wait-and-see” for two years while winning nine games. If going 9-21 in the last two years isn’t enough for people to want a QB change, what is? How long must we wait-and-see? I’ve waited for a long time, and I’ve seen what Matt is. There’s nothing left to wait for, because he’s not going to just magically get better.
Matt’s my all-time favorite Seahawk, and I have his jersey, but he’s gotta go. I liked Alexander for awhile too, but we all knew when he was done. Why can’t we see the same with Hasselbeck?
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
"Why can’t we see the same with Hasselbeck?"
I think it has to do with watching MoMo and realizing how well he performed with that line compared to Shaun and it was like night and day to everyone except Stump Mitchell and Mike Holmgren.
Unfortunately, our previous backup QB was useless so everyone just assumes it’s the line that’s the problem and his receivers when in fact it is almost entirely on Hasselbeck for his struggles.
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This has been covered to death here
So I will just restate that I put great value on every single playoff appearance. Part of this is simple selfishness: I like going to playoff games and watching the Seahawks win. I’ve gotten to do this three times, and each experience was just above my two trips to Fenway Park and not THAT far below the birth of my kids/my wedding day.
Also, to restate something I’ve said many times in the past: If we get a home playoff game, we will probably win. Everyone here seems to assume we’d get blown off the field by a wild card team, but those notions were proven pretty conclusively wrong-headed in the 1984, 2006 and 2007 playoffs. Getting a home playoff game, and particularly WINNING a playoff game, is a “pretty big deal” in the Ron Burgundy sense.
And I know Morgan poo-poohed this idea in this very article, but once you are in the playoffs, you have a chance to reach (and possibly win) the Super Bowl. Beyond the ’08 Cardinals, you could also point to the ’85 Patriots, ’79 Rams, ’07 Giants, ’05 Steelers, etc as low-seeded teams that went on a Super Bowl run.
Beyond us fans, I’m sure Carroll wants to make the playoffs THIS YEAR, for the simple fact that it looks great on his resume when it’s time to negotiate a new contract.
Frankly, if I’m wrong and the 2010 Seahawks aren’t worth a bucket of piss, there will be PLENTY of time to see what Whitehurst can do once we are out of contention for the NFC West title.
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by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 22, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Fine
I’ll grant that if we are 4-4 at midseason and we are winning DESPITE Hasselbeck, we should yank his ass. But what if we are 4-4, and Hasselbeck is simply mediocre? That would be the sort of decision they pay Carroll the big money for, right?
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by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 22, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Luckily we probably won't have to worry about him being even mediocre, but yeah, Pete should pull the plug then.
He should pull it now, but like Wak with Griffey, sometimes the most obvious decisions aren’t obvious to the people in charge. I think everyone could agree Griffey should’ve been benched sooner. Everyone knew it was the right decision except for Wak. Coaches and players always seem to be the last ones who know a player is done.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Just a point of clarification
I know most of y’all are Mariners fans, but why are M’s examples always brought up when discussing the Seahawks? Why not examples from the Seahawks’ history? Or from other NFL teams? You know, the same sport?
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by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 22, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's because Matt and Griffey are very similar situations.
Griffey was the best player in Mariner history, Matt is the best QB in Seahawks history. Why should we treat the washed-up former star at Qwest any differently than the washed-up former star across the street?
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah the Mariners anaologies don't do it for me
Mostly because I hate baseball.
by Surf Hawk on Sep 22, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They also all won road games
Something Seattle doesn’t do very well and hasn’t done well even in the regular season since 2005.
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There's a philosophical thing going on here too
Sometimes I think there are a number of folks here at Field Gulls who look at every season that doesn’t end with a Super Bowl victory as a failure. I simply don’t approach it that way. If the Seahawks are playing meaningful December/January football I’m a pretty happy fan. Making the playoffs in any division in this league is fucking HARD. Often, we all are simply wrong about which teams will emerge from the pack and make a playoff run. If we are consistently in that pack, with the chance to rise up and make that run in January, I’m happy.
The eras of 1983-1988 and 2003-2007? We never won a Super Bowl. But were those eras of failure? Not in my book, at least.
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by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 22, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
There are fun seasons, but anything but a Super Bowl IS a failure.
The Mariners modus operandi for years was to be a contender, and I had fun going to the ballpark for 90, 95, 100, 85, 80, even 75 win teams. But those years were all failures, even 116. Winning the championship is the only non-failure in any sport. They were eras of fun, they were eras of prosperity maybe, but the goal is to win the championship, and anything but reaching your goal is a failure.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Once again
…different perspectives. Of course I want the Seahawks to win the Super Bowl, but it’s not going to happen every year even in the best case scenarios. If you have the chance to make the postseason, you shouldn’t ever piss it away, because that is how you reach the Super Bowl (obviously).
We shouldn’t put Whitehurst out there just to do it for some nebulous future. Do you think he gives us a better chance than Hasselbeck to win this Sunday? Then start CW. Otherwise, it can wait.
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by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 22, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think there's really much of a difference at all. Maybe Charlie is a little worse, but I think people don't realize how god-awful Hasselbeck has been for over 2 years now.
Whitehurst may suck, but unless he sucks really, really, really badly, he’s no worse than 2010’s version of Hasselbeck. I’d say both of them give you about the same chance to win, so why not go with the younger one?
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I disagree about HOW BAD Hasselbeck is
and how good Whitehurst would be if he started this Sunday… but hey, that’s why we’ve got this wonderful forum, right?
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by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 22, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
For sure. I'm not saying Whitehurst is good by the way. I'm saying Hasselbeck is probably about Whitehurst-level now.
Like, however bad you think Whitehurst is. I think Matt is at that level or very slightly above. I mean, he’s thrown 31 picks in his last 23 games. Would Whitehurst be that much worse than that?
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Not winning the Super Bowl does not constitue a failure, but winning a Super Bowl is the only goal.
by John Morgan on Sep 22, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, always enjoy seeing this attitude
It’s so American. Europeans, at least in national leagues (less so in European/World Cup) have a very different attitude.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 22, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen a lot of them value regular season record over championships.
I figure the playoffs are a crap shoot, yes, but that’s what makes them exciting. The best ten or so teams get a chance to prove that despite regular season standings, they are THE BEST…I’m a bit surprised there isn’t more of a desire for a championship in European countries.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's more lack of parity that does it, together with promotion/relegation
Certainly for the top flight teams national championships are a goal. As are the national cup, Champion’s League and – if you got nothing better – the UEFA Cup (or Europa league, whatever). But even top flight teams in many countries will consider it a “success” if they get into the Champions League group stage even if they don’t get the title nationally.
The title is the ultimate goal, it just isn’t the only one.
And then there’s the stack of mid-tier teams trying to back into the UEFA Cup or avoid relegation. Always something to root for, but it depends on your team what it’ll be.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 22, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
As for knockout-based championships
Too many teams, too many matches to let it get down to a crapshoot like that. Not our thing, generally, though it’s used a season extension to determine who gets into the CL or UEFA Cup or who relegates in a number of countries.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 22, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I find the relegation battles on the final day of the season
Far more exciting than even a last day title race, especially since they make it so all of the games kick off at the same time so no one can scoreboard watch or throw C-teamers out there.
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That's what the promotion/relegation system does though
There are thousands of clubs under one system so if Bangers and Mash FC get promoted even to the 2nd tier of English football they’ll take that.
Not related but I’d love Euro-style chanting during NFL games, but I’m certain there would be complaints.
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Because Americans are afraid of passion and noise.
That is why I love Sounders games. We can say fuck and throw middle fingers and there aren’t any thin-skinned soccer moms there to bitch. Sports aren’t for thin-skinned people, in my opinion. Teams could make more money trying to create a rabid, obnoxious, rowdy fanbase that lives and dies with their team than creating an atmosphere that moms who drive mini-vans would want to take their kids to. Maybe you’d see less young kids at games, but the ones who did go would be fans for life after one trip.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahahahah this chant is brilliant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q6jZsBniW8
I wonder what type of chants we can create for Mebane, Okung, and Forsett.
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At sporting events?
At least in Seattle. Of all the cities I’ve gone to, the only thing we’re better at Sports wise is having a passionate Soccer fan base. Otherwise, most other cities are way more into their teams than we are, and even that isn’t nearly on the level of soccer hooligans. Soccer hooligan level fandom is something I would love for America to have that it will never have.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
We almost lost in 2006 and 2007's playoffs (though the 'Skins game became a blowout in the last 5ish minutes)
I was at both of those games too and it was amazing. But you know what I would like more than a playoff appearance? A Super Bowl. And there’s no way Matt’s going to give that to us. I could care less about winning divisions until we have a Super Bowl banner to hang in Qwest’s rafters. Matt doesn’t have the arm-strength that Kurt Warner had. Kurt Warner could throw the ball 30 yards on the fly with some authority. Matt can’t do that. I doubt we’d do much better in the playoffs with this version of Matt than we did against Green Bay in 2007. I’m not even convinced Matt is most likely to help us win right now. Maybe Charlie will be a pro-bowl caliber QB some day, maybe not. But even if he gets just one more game because we pull the plug on Matt sooner, it’s worth it. Whitehurst needs experience.
PLENTY of time? If he plays 6 games this year instead of 12 because we waited for Matt to prove to us that he’s done, that is a HUGE wasted opportunity for Charlie. Football seasons are short. Every game Charlie doesn’t play is a big missed opportunity for his development. The argument that there’s plenty of time once we’re out of it just doesn’t hold any water with me.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Come to think of it, Hasselbeck had some fairly terrible moments in the Redskins game
Which helped the Redskins come back.
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But he did have that awesome strike to D.J. Hackett to go ahead.
However, yeah, we should’ve had more than 14 points against that Redskins team.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
My voice almost went on the Weaver draw play
I remember Hass throwing a great pass to Burly who faked Springs out of his shoes.
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Colt McCoy or Jake Delhomme?
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Did you stop writing for Triton Review?
I notice a completely different staff.
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Yeah, I'm just taking classes there this quarter and working. I wrote a letter to the editor today though.
I’m still going to contribute a few articles (any student can write for the paper) but I just don’t have the time to be the Sports Editor right now. And hopefully I’ll be at WSU next fall, anyway.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Good luck, man.
Parking is hell over there so I pretty much have no choice but to take the bus.
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I've been walking or catching rides lately, honestly. Parking is more of a bitch every quarter at EdCC
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a gigantic increase in student enrollment
And yet they increase parking for staff and decrease for students. Some of the people there are frustrating to deal with.
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Oh yeah, we always tried to call them out in the Triton Review. They're definitely a bit corrupt and have kind of a "fat cat" attitude.
They say building a parking garage is too expensive and time consuming, then they build on-campus dorms? For a community college? Come on…I’d pay upwards of $5 a credit for them to build a damn parking garage…
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently paying the tuition fees also involve
“Athletic Field fee” which is some new artificial turf field they are planning to build. It doesn’t make any sense for the students to pay for something a minority of the people will use.
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We wrote a few articles about that last year.
It’s actually really awesome, and I will totally use it even when I’m not going to EdCC anymore. It’s going to be a Soccer field, softball field, and baseball field that can be used for intramurals and other things. Long-term, it’ll be good for EdCC
by BrettJMiller on Sep 22, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ooooh nice
I’m guessing they’re using turf though since it’s easier to maintain.
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You ever have to use Blackboard?
I have no idea why I have to change my password every 4 months, it is impractical.
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Two sacks allowed in two games
This one completely Hasselbeck’s fault. The first was a Laboy speed rush around Tyler Polumbus. I know it’s early, and Denver was minus Dumervil, but am I the only one impressed by this?
Seems like Hass has had time. Give Whitehurst that same amount of time, and look out for the longball.
The son of a bitch can walk on water
Forget the longball he’s taking that to the house using his feet.
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