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I'm out all day. Bad timing? Perhaps, but Pavement didn't consult me when to reunite and play Portland. And short of Neutral Milk Hotel (me) or the Promise Ring (my wife) this is the reunion my wife and I have waited a significant portion of our life for.

So, before we head out to Edgefield, here's a short and stream of consciousness list of things that might happen today.

Seattle will trade T.J. Houshmandzadeh but for somewhat minimal compensation.

Seattle will trade for Vincent Jackson. Seattle has searched long and hard for a receiver, so if one is heading out, one is presumably coming in.

Seattle will potentially move young talent to acquire the picks necessary to trade for Jackson.

I do not even want to be here if one of the players traded is Brandon Mebane. Mebane, of course, is also ending a four-year rookie contract. He is one of the few Seahawks Seattle could trade for picks. Seattle is crowded at defensive tackle and no one will offer picks for Craig Terrill, Quinn Pitcock, Kevin Vickerson, Colin Cole, Kentwan Balmer or Amon Gordon.

Please do not trade Brandon Mebane, John Schneider.

Please do not trade Brandon Mebane, Pete Carroll.

Other players Seattle could move: Chris Spencer, Max Unger, Deon Butler, David Hawthorne, Justin Forsett and Ben Obomanu. Those players have value and Seattle has someone on roster they could replace them with.

Now that a lot of false anticipation has been built up, today will be comparably quiet. Please.

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Since prognosticating is fun,

I’ll go with, Vikings trade for VJax, which leads us to keep Housh.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Ben Hamilton is cut, Craig Terrill is cut, Babs is cut.

Julius Jones is kept. Quinn Pitcock in.

And a Rage Against the Machine reunion overshadows the first fruits of the Soundgarden reunion.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I love Neutral Milk Hotel.

Also, please, don’t trade Mebane. Please? There has to be a good player on the roster for 2010…

I’ve got a feeling we won’t trade for V-Jax because of contract issues. If he won’t play for the contract being offered by SD, he will probably do the same for us. It is possible the Vikings take V-Jax, but they already picked up a wideout in Camarillo, and might try to survive with what they’ve got.

I’m OK with getting rid of Unger, as long as we get “something” in return. Hopefully a player who has potential rather than a 6th round draft pick…

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Apparently

Jackson & his agent have said, they’re salary demands weren’t as high as reported.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that's good.

I’m fine with trading Housh and a bottle of Sprite to the Chargers for V-Jax. Now, Housh can stay or go, but that bottle of Sprite has been stinkin’ up the joint, and it needs to leave town NOW.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

That'd be the trade of the century IMO.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Sep 3, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah, that's what agents and players say

when their salary demands will not happen in a million years and they must backpeddle and save face.

Of course, they also say that when it’s true, so…

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Backpeddle

I think you may have just accidentally coined a new term.

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha totally missed that.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Sep 3, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That link that you provided doesn't word it quite that way

It says that they said that their current contract demands are no longer as high as it was.

And it also says that:

In fact, it is possible the one-year deal for somewhere around $7 million that those close to Jackson said last month that he would be amenable to could be what he eventually accepts from another team. However, such a deal would bring less compensation in trade for the Chargers and could preclude a trade from happening since Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith is known to appreciate compensatory draft picks when an unrestricted free agent leaves.

Both the Chargers and, presumably, Jackson’s agents would like to have a deal done by 3 p.m. Saturday.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 3, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they'll trade Mebane.

I also didn’t think they’d trade Tapp, Jackson or Wilson, so yeah…Mebane is gone :(

by MFAN on Sep 3, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay then...

I am so pissed he’s gone. What a bunch idiots letting him go like that. CRAP!

by Kryten on Sep 3, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha...If they do trade him I may have to sit this season out

Here’s to that not happening. Would make for a sad and lonely fall.

by illwillbli on Sep 3, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is time to recall Carroll and Schneider.

They have traded Mebane. Only getting him back can restore my faith in humanity.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eagles fans aren't liking Tapp too much.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tapp is on the trading block

on my Madden franchise.

Also, I turned Josh Wilson into a first rounder from Detroit, which I then flipped to Buffalo for CJ Spiller.

In his first game as a Seahawk, he had 306 yards against the Chargers.

Where’s my GM position?!!?!

by chrees on Sep 3, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

=(

Thanks, Ruskell, you dick.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.

by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re-posting my roster prediction

QB: Matt Hasselbeck, Charlie Whitehurst (cut: JP Losman)

RB: Justin Forsett, Leon Washington, Julius Jones, Quinton Ganther (cut: Rankin)

FB: Owen Schmitt (Ganther as backup FB)

WR: Housh, Mike Williams, Deion Branch, Golden Tate, Ben Obomanu, Deon Butler (cut: Brandon Jones, Ruvell Martin)

TE: John Carlson, Chris Baker, Anthony McCoy (cut: Cameron Morrah, Tow-Arnett)

OL: Russell Okung, Max Unger, Chris Spencer, Ray Willis, Mansfield Wrotto, Sean Locklear, Ben Hamilton, Mike Gibson, Chester Pitts (?), Steve Vallos (cut: Toledo, Byers, Polumbus, Phillips, Erickson)

DE: Nick Reed, Chris Clemons, Dexter Davis, Kentwan Balmer (?) (cut: EJ Wilson, James Wyche, Rob Rose)

DT: ME! BANE!, Kevin Vickerson, Colin Cole, Red Bryant, Craig Terrill (sadly) (cut: Pitcock, Amon Gordon)

LB: Aaron Curry, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Leroy Hill, Lofa Tatupu, Matt McCoy (cut: Pawalek, Terrible Tyjuan Hagler)

CB: Kelly Jennings, Walter Thurmond III, Marcus Trufant, Roy Lewis (cut: Parks, Brown, Cox)

S: Earl Thomas, Lawyer Milloy, Jamar Adams, Babs, Kevin Ellison (Cut: Chancellor)

LS: Clint Gresham

P: Jon Ryan

K: Mah-Ray

Won’t do PS but I think it’s down to Ellison and Chancellor for final safety spot.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't forget about the roster exemption unitl Hill is back from his suspension

We will keep Kam and let everyone else settle their PS and rosters and then drop him to the practice squad after Hill comes back.

by Bad Mayo on Sep 3, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with most but...

Schmitt is probably gone. And I doubt they cut E.J. Wilson. Think you’re right about the Chancellor/Ellison battle but it should be Chance making the squad.

by sandtosound on Sep 3, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Mebane is from Cal-Berkeley

San Diego is in California.

The Chargers have a mediocre defensive front.

Mebane + Housh for Jackson and a 6th.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoops, that got away from me.

I was just going to make a rape and sodomy joke, because those are always funny. Make a reference to Baltimore.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shuchourmouth!

Me bane stay. Me bane friend.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mebane isn't a great fit in a 3-4.

Perhaps he could play end, but I can’t picture it.

Red Bryant: surprise us!

by Misfit74 on Sep 3, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck this, John got me all edgy now.

I didn’t think I could survive another Tapp fiasco, now I’m sure I can’t survive another Pistol shenanigan…I am going to ignore the football universe startiiiiiing…NOW!

by DJ C-Raig on Sep 3, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Trading Mebane for Jackson (in any permutation) would be the end of my investing any sort of time in the Hawks this season and for quite a while, I imagine.

This team needs a quarterback and not a high-priced receiver. It needs defensive line help and ejecting Mebane will be catastrophic. That would signify to me that the Carroll/Schneider era really will be about poor talent evaluation and improperly building.

by abender20 on Sep 3, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

This.

I’m tired of receivers being the issue when we have an old QB.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's because there is some sort of odd refusal

To consider maybe the QB is the problem. When Shaun Alexander was sucking ass and Holmgren/Stump kept playing him we kept thinking it’s the line that’s at fault when in actuality it was Shaun that was the problem.

It’s a weird denial when a team legend starts to decline.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously Guys

The new Regime hasn’t even had a chance to field a team in the regular season, and you guys are having a hissy fit. The people you watch on television would never say it out loud, but this is probably the worst part of having fans.

by bucherbp on Sep 3, 2010 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

It's definitely not the money.

They like our money.

Is “hissy fit” really the best term here? I was thinking more like we were GNN.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

As I just tweeted

to people saying “if #seahawks do X, I’m not going to follow them this season,” you’re a fairweather fan or a liar- either way? You = douche

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I do agree that fairweather fans are, uh...

annoying, to put it nicely. So, I’ll follow them regardless, but I don’t have to be happy about all of their decisions.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Internet discussion breeds hyperbole.

Some of you’re comments (and others) are making FG kind of uncomfortable right now. Nobody reading FG is a fair weather fan.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 2:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's a conditional hypothetical

If you abandon your team because they don’t do what you want them to do, you are a fair weather fan.

If you are a liar, you’re a douche.

by DrunkAmerican on Sep 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some Superfans

Are so adament about their fandom, they forget that the paltry rest of us are just trying to keep up.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

Johnny’s just had a pretty differing opinion from a lot of the FG community and he thinks that that makes some of the posters here “fair weather” and “douches”.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the nature of Internet forums is clearly reactionary as well.

In my mind, it’s fine to say “F**k this! Terrible trade, these guys suck!” the same way it would be to yell something similar to Earl Thomas if he let an INT go through his hands. It’s the insistence on holding people to things they say in the moment, or at least continuously calling them out on it that gets a bit grating.

I still love you ET, don’t worry.

by Kingdomer on Sep 3, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

Sometimes forums become streams-of-consciousness diatribes. But don’t worry, he ain’t heavy, he’s my brother.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

And I totally dig what Johnny is all about (you’re blog rules, man!). Things can just get heated and it’s silly when it’s bickering amongst fellow Hawk fans.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

I always tell my students “I can only grade what you put on the page.” I can’t assume they know anything beyond what they actually commit to paper.

In this context, I can only judge others based on what they write here in the comments. I don’t know any of you personally, or have any larger context to judge the motivations behind what you write here.

So yes, when people are writing here that they don’t want the Seahawks to make the playoffs, or their continuing support of the team is dependent on moves made or not made by the front office, I’m not going to let it slide. These notions are abhorrent to me, and I will continue to call people out when they say reactionary things like this.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

If your support of the team is entirely conditional

on whether you like the FO’s moves… yeah, I think that’s pretty fucking lame. I stand by what I’ve wrote in this regard.

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would absolutely agree with DKSB.

I don’t think there’s a grey area.

Basically, if the thought of walking away even crosses your mind, you are a fairweather fan.

I stuck through the Behring years, I can take anything..

by circa81 on Sep 3, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to speak for anyone else...

but I’m pretty sure most of us feel like it’s our team. Has our name in it. All the players, coaches and management are basically mercinaries. We’re lucky to have an owner who is also a fan and wants to keep it in our city— which is fortunately his city.
I worry (a little) about what will happen after Paul Allen is gone.

by Kryten on Sep 3, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand it

People have been spoiled over the last 10 years ( excluding a few years ) yet a few questionable trades have people ready put quit on them. Must not have seen Ken Behring.

Ride together , Die together …we bad boys for life

Punks jump up to get beat down.

by Lo Pann on Sep 3, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Must not have seen Ken Behring is right

Things could be so, so, so, soooooooo much worse, and have been many times in the past. Shit, this franchise literally packed up and moved to L.A.!! And we barely got them back. I don’t like the Wilson trade but that doesn’t mean I know it was the wrong move for this football team. I like the direction of the team in general, from the front office, coaching staff and new players.

GO HAWKS!

by lemonverbena on Sep 3, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

Punks jump up to get beat down.

by Lo Pann on Sep 3, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

how’s this for making you feel old: Darryl Tapp and Jordan Kent have a twitter convo about 3 Ninjas being on TV and how they must watch it.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Pavement live is better than any Seahawks game, up to and including the wild-card round

I saw them in June with Broken Social Scene during this victory lap and they were incredible. There’s no question that, live, they are better now than they were in their heyday: focused, having fun and Malkmus has developed into a monster guitar player. He was always good. On Wowee Zowee he upped his guitar playing considerably and has just gotten better since. Watching him play all of ‘Grounded’ with the guitar behind his head was a real WOW moment for me at the recent show. Slacker my ass!

I would take another Seahawks Superbowl over a Pavement gig though. Probably an NFC championship game too. Just to tie this derailment up: Stephen Malkmus is apparently a fanatical fantasy football player.

I hope they get at least a 4th for Housh. I don’t see them trading Mebane. I don’t think we’ll see Vinny Jackson in a Seahawks uni.

by Keasley on Sep 3, 2010 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

He's just super-into fantasy sports in general

“For the next forty-five minutes, we discuss our respective fantasy teams, pretty much nonstop. I cannot exaggerate the degree to which Malkmus enjoys fantasy sports; he almost seems to like them more than music. His fantasy football team was devastated by the loss of Ronnie Brown to injury, but he’s stayed in the playoff hunt by picking up Vikings wide receiver Sidney Rice. (”You could just immediately tell he was going to be Favre’s guy.") The most productive player on his NBA team is under-publicized Pacers forward Danny Granger, but he’s more satisfied about stealing the Nets’ Chris Douglas-Roberts off the waiver wire. Malkmus does not watch the NHL, yet he still participates in a fantasy hockey league. He’s that kind of guy. I don’t even try to talk with him about rotisserie baseball.

Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/201003/pavement-indie#ixzz0yWt7KEFW

by Keasley on Sep 3, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

See you tomorrow.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.

by Wayward Llama on Sep 3, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cut and Mike Williams will take his spot.

I disagree with this strongly.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get the logic of getting rid of Housh without a replacement

No one on the roster fills that role he does effectively, at least that we can rely on. So I agree, something else has to be coming.

by illwillbli on Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

This better not be some dumbass "Williams is from USC" move by Carroll

Because as much as I like Mike, replacing a Pro Bowler with someone you’re trying to resurrect from bust level is puzzling.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing a trade for Vincent Jackson is happening soon

Schneider probably just had to get the ok from Paul Allen to eat the $7 million.

by biju on Sep 3, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope not.

I didn’t want to trade or cut Housh, but I could understand. If they out & out cut him, then trade for Jackson and then give him a big new deal, I would not like that.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it looks like at least for this case,

they’re looking at who will be a part of the Carroll Seahawks and not just the 2010 Seahawks. Only 53 spots, and thereare some tough choices to make at the bottom. To only roll wth BMW, Branch, Tate, Butler & Obomanu (still 5 WRs) makes some decisions easier.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh I seriously don't want to lose Housh.

So unnecessary. I have such a hard time seeing him being bad or even mediocre this season. He’s not THAT old.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Sep 3, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not stupid at all

If you didn’t know housh is a fat cancer according to several outlets. I think housh I before team mentality played its rolls on players like jackson and wilson which made them work less as hard. Dontr say its another usc thing either. Lendale got cut two weeks into this reclamation

by Bruto56 on Sep 3, 2010 5:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

You think that we traded Jackson and Wilson because they stopped working hard?

You have some very blue-colored glasses. We joke about going GNN, but this is a real example of it. There were few players as outwardly competitive and hard-working as Josh Wilson on this team. In practice or in games.

by cashless on Sep 3, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You have GOT to be kidding me.

Just yesterday, it was reported that there were four, FOUR teams that wanted to trade for TJ Houshmandzadeh.

Why would you cut him if you could get somethign in return??? And if not, KEEP him!!

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quick!

To your fantasy football league!

by boytruck on Sep 3, 2010 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Schefter saying Housh to be cut or traded

Uh . . . why would anybody trade for him if they know he will be cut . . . seems like he will only be cut.

by Spin Forever on Sep 3, 2010 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

So they're guaranteed the player

If he’s cut, it would be Housh’s choice were to go

by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 3, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm also not worried about the 7mil guaranteed

I think Seattle would be willing to eat most of the cost for a player or a draft pick.

by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 3, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not sure that you can eat contracts in the NFL

Like you can in the MLB.

So a team would need to eat 7 mil plus a draft pick for an almost 33yo possession receiver.

by Spin Forever on Sep 3, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

He would restructure his contract

Pretty sure you can do that? but now i’m not sure.

by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 3, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose

But why would he, when he could sign with any team he wants and still get his 7 mil, plus stick it to the Hawks.

by Spin Forever on Sep 3, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can restructure it so that the new team eats part of the cost

Like the way Corey Redding did when he signed with Seattle. I think Detroit ate like four mil.

So Seattle could pick up 4 mil, the new team could pick up 4 mil, and he comes out a million ahead.

by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 3, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Housh's contract says the Seahawks must cover any gap

If somebody offers him $1 million, then Seattle is on the hook for the other $6 million. Sorry, can’t find the link, but I’m sure I remember it correctly.

That’s assuming he’s snatched as a free agent. If another team gets him off waivers, they’d have to pick up the contract (but I doubt anybody would do that, knowing that a huge salary discount is possible).

by Jason_D on Sep 4, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

His contract shouldn’t be an issue in a trade.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I found the link:
His Seahawks contract includes offset language that makes Seattle liable to pay Houshmanzadeh whatever his new team doesn’t.

So if Houshmanzadeh were to sign a veteran minimum deal of $850,000, the Seahawks would be liable for the remaining $6.15 million balance.

ESPN Source

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure the Seahawks can afford it,

but I’m betting that the cost is going to eventually be passed on to the Season ticket holders. Same with Jim Mora’s $12 million.

by Mind of no mind on Sep 3, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look closely at your ticket stub

It has a “Jim L. Mora termination fee” included in the cost.

by lemonverbena on Sep 3, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Schefter also reported we're picking up Patrick Ramsey

Saints cut him and that means we’re cutting Losman I assume.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh jeeze.

I’m on the lookout for interesting players to pick up, but at this point I want to keep the interesting ones we have and see how the season unfolds.

I do expect we’ll pick up at least one guy, though. But not this one.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Charlie better look out.

Ramsey’s not bad. Played on a lot of bad teams. Started with the Skins, who fucked him up for good.

by djafrot on Sep 3, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, true.

But not me. Ramsey’s decent in the ways Losman is not, from what I’ve seen.

by djafrot on Sep 3, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

This might be part of the "shadow roster" John mentioned before

We cut Losman — who is pretty awful and unlikely to stick with another team — and we bring in another QB to learn the secrets of the Seahawks offense. However, I’m one of those guys who would rather just have 2 QBs on the roster.

by J.L. White on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5529209

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well now there's an egg on my face.

He still doesn’t say he’s being released though, still says there’s a chance for a trade.

by MFAN on Sep 3, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He strangely took several minutes to tweet it after a dozen others

despite being the one breaking it. On the radio, maybe he makes regular radio appearances and the timing dictated it, I dunno.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fact of the matter is he's gone

And one of “Carroll’s guys” inexplicably and perhaps undeservedly got top billing (for the time being).

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You Don?

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ssreporters

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reply fail.

I don’t know if “inexplicably” is right. Williams has played well in the preseason, and Carroll hasn’t been particularly loyal to USC players. Yeah, he brought him into the team, and I keep thinking this is all about age. That’s right, Carroll is an ageist. And it makes me sad. _

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but it's preseason

4 preseason games wipes out his other seasons and makes him #1?

I think they should’ve waited to determine if this was a smart decision instead of taking risks.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, not wipes out.

And yeah, I think they should have kept Housh. And I’m not talent evaluator, so I’m just saying they seem happy with his play and his age (ageists, boo!) and so they are getting rid of Housh.

I don’t agree with the decision, just didn’t agree that it was “inexplicable.” It was “explicable” but that doesn’t mean I agree with the explaination.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well if they keep Housh this year and they don't him

All they do is shift this years salary problem onto next years (which may be a capped year). How much will Housh be guaranteed next year? And at 34, hardly easier to trade. So if they want to eat the money on Housh, this year is the year.

by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 3, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a difference between trading and cutting though.

I could stomach trading Housh for a 5th rounder (or something), releasing him would be hard for me to swallow.

by MFAN on Sep 3, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

More importantly, Hasselbeck to Mike Williams has looked pretty good.

and that’s not an indictment of the Hosh/Hass rapport, a very overreported nothing.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I keep thinking that Houshmandzadeh is still on the trade block for the Chargers.

I have come across a report that the Chargers (among 3 other teams) are interested in him.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, "cut or trade."

So, a trade is still possible.

Of course, it says whatever another team doesn’t give him of the 7 mil, we have to pay out of pocket, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see someone pay him the league minimum of $815,000 and make us eat the rest. Yum!

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He will be cut

Nobody will pick up 7 mil and a pick when they could sign him for much less.

by Spin Forever on Sep 3, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Unless someone is afraid that they won’t get him because he’ll be grabbed on waivers by somebody. So, yeah, cut or a 7th. Wee!

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Besides a can of Sprite and Housh

What would be a reasonable trade for VJac?

by sandtosound on Sep 3, 2010 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

4th rounder and a can of Sprite?

Pixie Dust and Unicorn urine?

Nick Reed’s Jock Strap?

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you can get your hands on Unicorn urine

I’d bet they’d throw in Rivers too.

But after the scope I hear Nick Reed’s jock strap has fallen in value.

by sandtosound on Sep 3, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Win now = next year

Housh would help the team win this year – though I don’t see how he helps the team next.

by m_b on Sep 3, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

So why not cut him next year?

Why would you throw in the towel for the division race when SF only needs one Alex Smith/Rocky Bernard moment to be in complete turmoil?

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you there

I want to see this team improve this year, but I really want this year’s mom’s to improve us in 2011-2015.

Portland transplant to Boston.

by cmcdougall on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought we got fleeced with Wilson

But Crayton for a 6/7 just seems like they were 5 minutes away from cutting him when SD called and inquired.

Portland transplant to Boston.

by cmcdougall on Sep 3, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Cowboys traded Crayton to the Chargers.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know why he mentioned the Wilson trade.

But people have been mentioning how no one would trade for a player that we were going to release anyways. So he’s saying that this situation could play out in a similar fashion to the Crayton trade.

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I see.

So then, indicating we might not have gotten fleeced as bad as it felt, considering we got the conditional 5th.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I was just in a hurry and needed to get a thought out and couldn’t find a better place to put it.

Portland transplant to Boston.

by cmcdougall on Sep 3, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not how fleecing works

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

What does shoring sheep have to do...

with the price of Unicorn Urine in the Western divisions?

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't remember?

They’re deciding the NFC West this year with County Fair style competitions, not win-loss records this year.

Portland transplant to Boston.

by cmcdougall on Sep 3, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

With the White injury

(Lendale, that is) what are the chances that he’d have been hurt playing for Seattle? Freak accident, or the result of not being “competitive” enough?

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

no one is competitive enough for PC

not even Jesus Hurst himself.

From The Hawks Nest

by Hancock.Brett on Sep 3, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

They couldn't.

It was sort of an irrelevant question, and a goof on Carroll for his “compete forever” nature. The only “real” part is that I wonder if White was not in as good’a’shape as advertised originally, because sometimes players who aren’t in shape will get hurt in preseason.

Of course, anyone can get hurt in preseason, even gods and demigods: see, Nick Reed.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Q/PM is trying to start with a new slate

And clean up things Ruskell did.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

sure seems like it

but that would be pig headed and foolish in my opinion. Ruskell knew what he was doing, just swung and missed a few teams. I really fear for my own sanity after tomorrow.

From The Hawks Nest

by Hancock.Brett on Sep 3, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Ruskell did not know what he was doing. Hence he reason the clean up job has been so drastic

by Bruto56 on Sep 3, 2010 5:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep

Ruskell really bombed with Tatupu, Carlson, Forsett, Grant, Pistol, etc.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only problem I have with Ruskell were his dealings in free agency, and his hiring of Jim Mora.

Oh, and the fact that he was trying to build a midget army. When I’m taller than all but eight or so players on a football team, something isn’t right. But the man found some serious gems in the draft, mostly in the later rounds. And that is something to be applauded.

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I must say, I like Housh.

I like his hair, his attitude and his unspellable name. I think he had a place on this football team, and I think he could have helped teach some of the younger guys a thing or three about running routes.

He’ll probably end up in Minnesota. But I wish he could stick around. Farewell, Housh!

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

We have Branch for veteran presence.

Ugh. But yes! He is my second or third favorite Seahawk personality. Gonna miss him and his amazing, golden, Unicorn-sticky hands. I hope he becomes someone’s numba one.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Sep 3, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope that Tatupu, Trufant, and Matt stay.

Those are the jerseys I own, plus Kerney. But Kerney retired a Hawk, plus it’s a premier white and green jersey and autographed from Training Camps. Problem is, 3/4 of the sigs on the jersey are now with different teams. Arghhhh. I got JForce, JC, and Mebanes autograph this year, they better stay!!!!

by PhoneHomeET29 on Sep 3, 2010 3:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

ouch, you have the three that I love the most

but fear will be gone by tomorrow. I mean fuck those players they suck (reverse psych, take that Pete).

From The Hawks Nest

by Hancock.Brett on Sep 3, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'm only buying the retired jerseys for right now

I just got a Walter Jones jersey in the mail so I’m set for this season anyway.

by biju on Sep 3, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw a guy in the NYC subway

wearing a Jets Favre jersey… I lolled until I rofled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!

by jubelthebear on Sep 3, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tatupu, Mebane, and Carlson had better not get traded or released

If they can’t keep them, then an entire Hawaiian island will find itself beneath the sea.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Question

Now I’m trying to think back to the preseason finale. Was Mike Williams out there running Housh’s routes with Schneider and Carroll watching to make sure he knew those routes?

I’m going to have to get the Tivo fired up!

by biju on Sep 3, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I am honored to have read this post.

You must be the greatest fan that ever lived.

by Skinsmaniac on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying I am

There’s always a bigger fish (can’t believe I just quoted The Phantom Menace).

"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper

by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you bro..

..typical Seattle Correctivism.

by PoolNinja on Sep 3, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well said good sir

I never thought of it that way. It makes sense, though. There’s a certain amount of protectionism (is that even a word?) associated with being simply a “Seattle” fan as opposed to directly and specifically a Seahawks fan only.

by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

After moving to LA I have found that my love of all things 12 has only increased

While, admittedly, my interest in the Mariners have waned (although I find myself fairly disinterested in baseball as a whole). So I feel very confident that my love for this team is completely sincere, and not just a by-product of spending most of my life living in Seattle.

by J.L. White on Sep 3, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being from the Seattle area and growing up rooting for all the teams that play there

I can’t relate to your sentiments that much. To me, rooting passionately for a team in another city is just rooting for laundry and a logo. There’s nothing wrong with that but I have to have a personal attachment for a team/franchise/school to get my emotion. I don’t want the M’s, Seahawks, Sounders, or the hole in my heart that used to be the Sonics, to fail any more than the other. And I’m a massive fan of the NFL, so “you’re not, at the core level, a Seahawks fan” is impossible. I’ll line up my Blue and Green—and Silver—blood with any motherfucker and thrice on Sunday.

But an argument about depth of fandom is a waste of time. I’m thrilled that people from other cities and countries pick the Hawks to care about. Some of the best writing online wouldn’t exist if not for that kind of fan. And the local fanbase is fickle, economically-impacted and beaten down from all the losing. A long history of losing, and our one championship left town with our NBA team. So I don’t blame anyone for being weary with their sports team. Bottom line, you know how you feel, I know how I feel, and that’s what matters. Other folks are going to think or say whatever and that’s on them. If a Qwest Field full of other diehards screaming their lungs out and the team taking the field in the colors doesn’t make all of whatever is said on the radio and in blogs just melt away, then nothing but blue skies and easy wins will. I don’t care if someone became a fan 35 years ago or yesterday as long as they’re a fan. You can tell who the real ones are, and the others aren’t worth the time.

by lemonverbena on Sep 3, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's less of a decision

to root Seattle teams and more of something that was bred into me. I’ll give you an example. My parents went to WSU. I went to University of Arizona. I was raised and reared a Coug so it was no surprise to find my brother (another U of A alum) and me quietly rooting for Wazzu football standing in the middle if Zona Zoo. It was no longer a choice. If it was we would have cheered along with our dollars for the Wildcats, but we couldn’t. Our training had been cemented and there was no breaking it no matter what our rational minds said. We wanted a school to win that we never attended and is located in a town we do not know. Teams are a passion that do not travel through logical centers of our brains.

by sandtosound on Sep 3, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty much only a Seahawk fan

And I shall have no other teams before them

by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 3, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'ing this harder than the Hammer of Thor.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.

by Wayward Llama on Sep 3, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand and respect your opinion, but I must contribute mine...

I’ve lived in a multitude of sportsfan cities, and my allegiances have developed accordingly. I’m a Cleveland Indians fan, a Seahawks, and a Sounders fan, and also a NY Rangers fan. NCAA speaking I’m a Syracuse fan( mostly, but I would love to see a SU and UW finalie of any sort).

But the grand theme for me is that I expect me teams to deploy competitive teams. I don’t change my alliances, and would never become a fan of a competitor just because, but I expect my teams to represent my commitment and fandoom. i want to see the best and I expect the best.

I think the contact between a franchise and fan involves a level of trust. We entrust that they will field the best team with the best available talent. Short term or long term, they have a strategy that will serve some competitive purpose. When I feel they chose a strategy opposed to my own strategic and competitive purpose I become concerned and think I should be justified in making fiscal decisions as a result.

Its not a questions of fandom, its a question of strategy and investment. Many of us expect a return from our emotional commitment.

by illwillbli on Sep 3, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

This doesn't seem to make a ton of sense for Minny.

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Sep 3, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on what they give up

And how much of his salary we pick up

by stufr on Sep 3, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they'd do it for a 6th rounder and almost no salary

And at this point I think I might be happy with such a return. Better than nothing.

by J.L. White on Sep 3, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sidney Rice is hurt

Which leave B. Barion their number one WR and P. Harvin isn’t that reliable with his migrains. They could use a straight up WR.

by stufr on Sep 3, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if 6 games is significant enough for them to make a move like this.

We’ll see.

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Sep 3, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why Vincent Jackson

At this point, he’s going to miss 6 games anyway.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could be 3.

If he signs before…he 6th? The three can be done concurrently, unless he signs after the 6th, in which case they must be served sequentially. At least, that’s the way I heard it. I’ll see if I can find a link for that.

by Chirp on Sep 4, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I believe that it's most likely six games.

He is already suspended for three games. He cannot report before then, and because he is on the roster exempt list, he will miss three games after reporting. Therefore, he will miss six games this year.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here is a source.

Here.

According to an NFL spokesperson, if Jackson was traded and reported to his new club before the Sept. 4 deadline for final roster reduction, then his roster-exempt suspension would be served concurrently with the league-mandated suspension, and therefore Jackson could return to the active roster for Week 4.

So, if he signs TODAY, he can miss 3. Otherwise, 6. Some sort of screwy rule. Unless I misunderstand what this means.

by Chirp on Sep 4, 2010 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah. Well that makes sense.

Well if a team wants him bad enough, they had better get going and get a deal done with him and the Chargers.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 3:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus they're in "Win Now" mode

With two consecutive trips to the NFC Championship game, and a question mark at QB next year, their window appears to be closing.

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

They’re a superbowl contender with a huge hole at WR.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 3, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

From ProFootballTalk

Schefter reports there is offset language in the deal. Seahawks will have to pay Houshmanzadeh whatever his new team doesn’t this year. If the new team pays $1.5 million, the Seahawks pay $5.5 million

by Perrin on Sep 3, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?

You have no desire for a 6’5", 4.48 running, ball snatching, 11 yards per target getting, double-team demanding, stud wide receiver? None? Have you a pulse good sir?

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh I've just never thought of him as elite.

Maybe I’m underselling him but for what he wants I don’t want to give it to him.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 3, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm right there with you

Jackson is good but I don’t want to pay what its going to cost to get him and keep him

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by bluemax on Sep 3, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I find his stat line unconvincing

Vincent Jackson was 30th in the NFL in total receptions last year. Thirtieth.

Oh, but wait— he’s a big target with a huge ypc.
well…
San Diego’s Vincent Jackson is 6’5" and averaged 17.2 yards per catch in 2009.
San Diego’s Malcom Floyd is 6’5" and averaged 17.2 yards per catch in 2009.

No doubt Jackson brings a lot to the table. And I think he’s worthy of being a #1 WR for most NFL teams. But the gaudy numbers can’t be separated out from the system and surrounding talent, which leaves the very real possibility that Vincent Jackson is something less than pro-bowl level talent without the trappings of Antonio Gates and Phillip Rivers.

by Jason_D on Sep 4, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about the fact that he was good for 11 yards per target last year?

Meaning that every time the ball was thrown in his general direction, the Chargers gained 11 yards. So basically, every time you toss the ball his way it amounts to a first down.

by Cannonater on Sep 4, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's a bit more impressive

I vaguely remember seeing the yards/target, or maybe it was the receptions/target, on an earlier link from John. It was high, and significantly higher than that of his teammates (thus ruling out a simple “it’s the guys around him” interpretation).

I think I must be defaulting to a more pessimistic evaluation because he seems to be something of a jerk, having been suspended for three games and making unreasonable salary demands. But if Reclamation Master Carroll thinks he’s worthwhile, I try to remain optimistic.

by Jason_D on Sep 4, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Floyd is an intriguing player, but no where near the athlete Jackson is.

And his hands aren’t nearly as good. Jackson makes some amazing catches, including some where he uses his entire length while diving in almost any direction. The reception sphere (area where he can catch a ball) for Vincent Jackson is truly amazing, and his concentration during some catches is incredible. He’s a much different player than a normal tall possession receiver.

by cashless on Sep 4, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

One thing I always do when someone else is trying to tell me how good a player is

Is start listing players that are definitely better than them. It helps put things in perspective. So, in no particular order:

1. Andre Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Randy Moss
4. Brandon Marshall
5. Reggie Wayne

After that, it gets a little dicey. Probably have to put Ochocinco on there, he’s got a lot more seasons of #1 production. Then who? After those six, there really aren’t any receivers that I can say for certain are better than VJax has been over the past two years.

Just some perspective, I can totally see why people are disinterested because of the money he’s demanding.

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

and as Stafford

develops he will only accrue more value.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI

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by jubelthebear on Sep 3, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could definitely argue that.

But like I said below, would you want Calvin Johnson Jr in a Seahawks uniform? Because Jackson is comparable. Obviously, Calvin is younger and most likely will be a lot better than Jackson in the future, so I would want him more than Jackson, but I think you understand my point.

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg Jennings is better.
Marques Colston is better.
Roddy White is better.

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Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Sep 3, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah I knew I was forgetting someone.

Yeah, I’d probably put Roddy White over Jackson. But Jennings and Colston? That’s a little iffy. Are they really definitely better? Without a doubt?

But this is exactly why I do this. The fact that we’re even arguing whether Jackson is up there with these guys means that he’s probably a Top 10 guy at a very valuable position. Would you want White or Colston or Jennings on the Seahawks? Because I’d say that Jackson is comparable to, and in some cases better than, those guys.

Also: use the subject line when posting.

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

never!

Semper Fi'
WatchKalibRun.com
Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Sep 3, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

But aren't we talking about Jackson being in company with these wideouts

because we believe he is among the elite wideout company, but because YOU mentioned that we should talk about players who “are definitely better” than him.

You can’t start a conversation about who is better than a certain player, and then saying that player is as good as the others mentioned because he’s in the same conversation. It seems a little…circular.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was a group in the middle of that discussion that he couldn't completely place above Jackson.

I don’t think I’d absolutely choose Colston over Jackson, the others I would. He felt that way about Colston and Jennings. Being the next two names, and feeling it was debatable, he felt comfortable saying “in the conversation.” Not in the top 6 or 7, but in the 8-10 range.

Just wanted to point out he wasn’t putting him in the conversation against all of those guys. Just the tier after them.

I feel like the 10-15 range is what I’d say, and that’s good enough for me to want him.

by cashless on Sep 3, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd take 8-15.

Maybe even just above it.

It would be nice to have a top 32 wide receiver.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cashless nailed it.

If I had to group the top receivers in the league, I would do it like this:

Elite, #1, Super-Stud: Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald
Elite: Brandon Marshall, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne
Top 10: Chad Ochocinco, Roddy White, Calvin Johnson Jr, Vincent Jackson, Miles Austin

Full disclosure: I don’t like DeSean Jackson and Greg Jennings (I hate the Eagles [it’s a Madden thing] and… I don’t know why, I just don’t like Greg Jennings that much) and so I probably underrate them. And I think Colston is a product of Brees and Sean Payton.

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, to all three of those.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.

by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Denver is shopping Alphonso Smith for a fifth rounder.

I know little of Alphonso, but would turning the 5th/4th round conditional we got for Pistol into Smith make sense?

by THolt on Sep 3, 2010 6:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I wonder if we could turn recently cut Cody Brown into a LEO?

And for obvious reasons I wouldn’t mind seeing Al Afalava land somewhere good.

by DJ C-Raig on Sep 3, 2010 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

If the Seahawks just outright cut Housh I am gonna be pissed

He has more trade value than Patrick Crayton

It's a Casio on a plastic beach

by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Sep 3, 2010 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Reed was God last preseason...

so I’d bet by morning he’s with the Raiders or Chargers or Broncos or whoever else we played. He had to impress more than just us.

by Kryten on Sep 3, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

There must be something I'm not understanding (which isn't terribly unusual)

But why would the FO let that information get out and effectively render him untradeable? Was he already effectively untradeable so it just didn’t matter?

by Cougriculture on Sep 3, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Can someone please tell me why Branch isn’t the one being talked about with trades? Housh is AT THE LEAST a leader right? Plus Branch’s salary is not as much as TJ. sigh

by hermann22 on Sep 3, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Injury, leading to lack of production. Bad reputation.

by boytruck on Sep 3, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I should have said this...

I guess I should have said “Why isn’t Branch being talked about being traded or released.” Rather TJ then Branch.

by hermann22 on Sep 3, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's not untradeable

If he is released, he gets to CHOOSE his next team. Some teams may trade for him because he might not CHOOSE to join their squad. Housh wouldn’t CHOOSE to be a Ram. He probably wouldn’t CHOOSE to be a Raider. Somewhere out there, there is a 7th round draft pick that’s waiting to be sent over.

Also, the FO probably didn’t tell the media this information. The FO probably told Housh what was up in all fairness to him. Then word spreads. Yeah. Something like that.

by boytruck on Sep 3, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No more Nick Reed either.

So let’s look at how the 2011 draft is.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

The trick is to get really drunk.

Football & women. They both look a lot better then.

by Richard fg7 on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Vikes traded both Rosenfels and Darius Reynaud to the Giants

For draft picks.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

There better be a receiver out of this

But the only realistic option is Bernard Berrian, who is 29 but he’s not outstanding.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't NEED receivers

We NEED a quarterback. I’m not interested in Vincent Jackson.

But if we can trade Housh and some draft picks to get Hutch back I’d take it.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

We need help on defense, not another receiver. I’m pretty comfortable with our group, even minus Housh. We’ve gotta get some elite talent on D. As we’ve seen for the past, what, 4 years, Tats can’t do it all himself. Mebane is a stud, but having one good dude on the D line is useless.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.

by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

looks like we will get something for Housh after all.

 joereedy: Per a league source, the Vikings, Jets, Chargers and Cardinals have made trade offers with the Seahawks for Houshmandzadeh

by hermann22 on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Man. Football can be like the economy.

You can argue with sound logic and irrefutable mathematics, and the way things turn out can still be completely different. Surprising that dumpers intentions to cut Housh would stir up so many trade candidates. But it makes sense.

by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 10:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmmmm the Jets.

I wouldn’t mind Revis and/or Cotchery out of that.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Revis would be unrealistic

But I would demand Jerricho Cotchery in return.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't really need him

But the Jets don’t have anything else we could use that they would willingly give to us.

I doubt they’d hand over Bart Scott but they sure as hell would dump Vernon Gholston.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Carroll and Schneider didn't just concede this season

It is the NFC West after all.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Tyler Polumbus is worth a 6th

Why can’t Seattle do the same with guys like Terrill?

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that what we traded for Polumbus?

I never saw what the actual compensation was

by G-Mo on Sep 3, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Polumbus can turn into something.

Terrill will never be a starter.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.

by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Revis is completely realistic, what are you talking about?

An over-the-hill receiver for the best CB in the league? That’s a no-brainer!

by Cannonater on Sep 3, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best CB in the league "so-called."

I’m not drinking the Revis Kool-Aid. No one called him the best in the league until Rex Ryan starting flapping his fat neck.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.

by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was definitely in your position at the start of the season

But if you just look at the numbers that the opponent’s best receivers got against him… I won’t say for sure he’s the best, but he is super-elite.

by Cannonater on Sep 4, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Morgan wanted a rebuild.

Here’s your rebuild.

Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured

by TheLaird on Sep 3, 2010 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure dumping Housh, Nick Reed, and Pistol was a part of it

That’s like tearing down the whole house because the garage is busted and the pipes are rusty.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like

We arrived in someone else’s apartement dirty and filled with trash. We began the efforts to make the house better by what we have, but in the end we still only are left with trash.

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on Sep 3, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick Reed is gone

So will Mebane be our new cult figure and assume the Reed jokes?

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pardon me, Reed facts?

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if there are any players worthy of facts like Nick Reed.

Though Deon Butler may be entering the conversation. But he’s faster than a bullet and can run around the world so fast it makes the Earth reverse its spin.

by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. I didn't even know Nick Reed was injured.

Released with injury settlement. Another reason undersized defensive ends are called undersized?

Red Bryant: surprise us!

by Misfit74 on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could HAVE

have have have. Yes I have a stick up my arse about this.

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Sep 4, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I scrolled down so I could only see the subject line

And nearly crapped my pants.

Damn you!

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got me too lol.

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Sep 3, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look

I’m doing all that I can.

by boytruck on Sep 3, 2010 9:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm out

The good news is my stomach virus cleared up (for now) and I’m physically healthy. The bad news is the Seahawks want to make me as mentally exhausted as possible.

Good night everyone.

Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.

by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Good night and Good Luck

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on Sep 3, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting rid of Housh...

I’m not crazy about it, but I get it for a couple reasons.

1) I think Carroll is going young wherever he can, recognizing that this is going to be a rebuild. It could be a quick one, but this season could get ugly.

2) Given that, Housh could net us something in return that’ll help us when we’re ready to be good again. Add to that, my speculation is that Housh is probably not the vet you want on a rebuilding team with a college head coach.

I wonder if the practice time Housh missed a couple weeks back for “family reasons” was the team letting him make other arrangements for his family. In a Danny O’Neill article he mentions that Housh already knew about the possibility of a trade, and he mentions something about making arrangements for his wife and kids.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Sep 3, 2010 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Really? Not even a 7th round pick?

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on Sep 3, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can that be true when there's still time to get something done?

They forcing an early deadline on themselves? Stupid if true…

by Kryten on Sep 4, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

With less than 24 hours to go?

No, teams will wait for him to be released, rather than trading for him.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could it be a soothing tactic?

Cutting Housh is kind of a dick move.

He’s aging and expensive, but he’s still good.
And some have noted that he’s egotistical, but (1)he’s a wide receiver; duh and (2)He’s always given the impression that he’s really happy with this team, his teammates, and the city.

Thus my speculation: Seattle looked at a couple of paltry 7th-round offers, and decided that a small sliver of redemptive goodwill was worth more. Therefore, they released Housh outright so he could cherry-pick his own 2010 team. That also gives him back some control over where he’s going to move his family, which seemed to be a point of irritation for him.

by Jason_D on Sep 4, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Possible.

Nice, maybe even good business for signing future free agents?

by Chirp on Sep 4, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

The competition lesson is learned

and now SEA is going to trade Tru and a conditional 5th to BAL to get Josh back cause he’s competing now (and BAL has needs at corner) and send Mebane to and a 4th to PHI for Tapp.

by hawkster on Sep 4, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions  

My prediction for this year?

3-13. We’re in a for a long year, boys.

Golden!

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

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