Open Roster Moves, Trades, Speculation, Links, News and Everything Else Thread
by John Morgan on Sep 3, 2010 1:35 PM PDT
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I'm out all day. Bad timing? Perhaps, but Pavement didn't consult me when to reunite and play Portland. And short of Neutral Milk Hotel (me) or the Promise Ring (my wife) this is the reunion my wife and I have waited a significant portion of our life for.
So, before we head out to Edgefield, here's a short and stream of consciousness list of things that might happen today.
Seattle will trade T.J. Houshmandzadeh but for somewhat minimal compensation.
Seattle will trade for Vincent Jackson. Seattle has searched long and hard for a receiver, so if one is heading out, one is presumably coming in.
Seattle will potentially move young talent to acquire the picks necessary to trade for Jackson.
I do not even want to be here if one of the players traded is Brandon Mebane. Mebane, of course, is also ending a four-year rookie contract. He is one of the few Seahawks Seattle could trade for picks. Seattle is crowded at defensive tackle and no one will offer picks for Craig Terrill, Quinn Pitcock, Kevin Vickerson, Colin Cole, Kentwan Balmer or Amon Gordon.
Please do not trade Brandon Mebane, John Schneider.
Please do not trade Brandon Mebane, Pete Carroll.
Other players Seattle could move: Chris Spencer, Max Unger, Deon Butler, David Hawthorne, Justin Forsett and Ben Obomanu. Those players have value and Seattle has someone on roster they could replace them with.
Now that a lot of false anticipation has been built up, today will be comparably quiet. Please.
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Ben Hamilton is cut, Craig Terrill is cut, Babs is cut.
Julius Jones is kept. Quinn Pitcock in.
And a Rage Against the Machine reunion overshadows the first fruits of the Soundgarden reunion.
Not gonna say I'm glad
But as a Wazzu fan, and the owner of Jerome Harrison in th FG NFC, I want to see him get a shot this year.
I love Neutral Milk Hotel.
Also, please, don’t trade Mebane. Please? There has to be a good player on the roster for 2010…
I’ve got a feeling we won’t trade for V-Jax because of contract issues. If he won’t play for the contract being offered by SD, he will probably do the same for us. It is possible the Vikings take V-Jax, but they already picked up a wideout in Camarillo, and might try to survive with what they’ve got.
I’m OK with getting rid of Unger, as long as we get “something” in return. Hopefully a player who has potential rather than a 6th round draft pick…
Word also is that the 2nd round pick being demanded by SD...
was fabricated by someone up here.
Well, that's good.
I’m fine with trading Housh and a bottle of Sprite to the Chargers for V-Jax. Now, Housh can stay or go, but that bottle of Sprite has been stinkin’ up the joint, and it needs to leave town NOW.
That'd be the trade of the century IMO.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
No, we'd get more than that via a comp pick.
Granted, it’s only a 5th, but that’s better than a 6th. Cincy got a 3rd for losing him to us, but now he’s a 10 yer vet which caps his value at a 5th.
Cut, FA, doesn't matter.
I know it seems stupid, but that’s the rule.
Well, yeah, that's what agents and players say
when their salary demands will not happen in a million years and they must backpeddle and save face.
Of course, they also say that when it’s true, so…
Haha totally missed that.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
That link that you provided doesn't word it quite that way
It says that they said that their current contract demands are no longer as high as it was.
And it also says that:
In fact, it is possible the one-year deal for somewhere around $7 million that those close to Jackson said last month that he would be amenable to could be what he eventually accepts from another team. However, such a deal would bring less compensation in trade for the Chargers and could preclude a trade from happening since Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith is known to appreciate compensatory draft picks when an unrestricted free agent leaves.
Both the Chargers and, presumably, Jackson’s agents would like to have a deal done by 3 p.m. Saturday.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 3, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think they'll trade Mebane.
I also didn’t think they’d trade Tapp, Jackson or Wilson, so yeah…Mebane is gone :(
Okay then...
I am so pissed he’s gone. What a bunch idiots letting him go like that. CRAP!
hahaha...If they do trade him I may have to sit this season out
Here’s to that not happening. Would make for a sad and lonely fall.
It is time to recall Carroll and Schneider.
They have traded Mebane. Only getting him back can restore my faith in humanity.
Tapp is on the trading block
on my Madden franchise.
Also, I turned Josh Wilson into a first rounder from Detroit, which I then flipped to Buffalo for CJ Spiller.
In his first game as a Seahawk, he had 306 yards against the Chargers.
Where’s my GM position?!!?!
=(
Thanks, Ruskell, you dick.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Re-posting my roster prediction
QB: Matt Hasselbeck, Charlie Whitehurst (cut: JP Losman)
RB: Justin Forsett, Leon Washington, Julius Jones, Quinton Ganther (cut: Rankin)
FB: Owen Schmitt (Ganther as backup FB)
WR: Housh, Mike Williams, Deion Branch, Golden Tate, Ben Obomanu, Deon Butler (cut: Brandon Jones, Ruvell Martin)
TE: John Carlson, Chris Baker, Anthony McCoy (cut: Cameron Morrah, Tow-Arnett)
OL: Russell Okung, Max Unger, Chris Spencer, Ray Willis, Mansfield Wrotto, Sean Locklear, Ben Hamilton, Mike Gibson, Chester Pitts (?), Steve Vallos (cut: Toledo, Byers, Polumbus, Phillips, Erickson)
DE: Nick Reed, Chris Clemons, Dexter Davis, Kentwan Balmer (?) (cut: EJ Wilson, James Wyche, Rob Rose)
DT: ME! BANE!, Kevin Vickerson, Colin Cole, Red Bryant, Craig Terrill (sadly) (cut: Pitcock, Amon Gordon)
LB: Aaron Curry, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Leroy Hill, Lofa Tatupu, Matt McCoy (cut: Pawalek, Terrible Tyjuan Hagler)
CB: Kelly Jennings, Walter Thurmond III, Marcus Trufant, Roy Lewis (cut: Parks, Brown, Cox)
S: Earl Thomas, Lawyer Milloy, Jamar Adams, Babs, Kevin Ellison (Cut: Chancellor)
LS: Clint Gresham
P: Jon Ryan
K: Mah-Ray
Won’t do PS but I think it’s down to Ellison and Chancellor for final safety spot.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I think Kam if he is cut will be placed on the PS.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
It seems like we like Kam a helluva lot more than other people do.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Don't forget about the roster exemption unitl Hill is back from his suspension
We will keep Kam and let everyone else settle their PS and rosters and then drop him to the practice squad after Hill comes back.
Agree with most but...
Schmitt is probably gone. And I doubt they cut E.J. Wilson. Think you’re right about the Chancellor/Ellison battle but it should be Chance making the squad.
Brandon Mebane is from Cal-Berkeley
San Diego is in California.
The Chargers have a mediocre defensive front.
Mebane + Housh for Jackson and a 6th.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Whoops, that got away from me.
I was just going to make a rape and sodomy joke, because those are always funny. Make a reference to Baltimore.
Mebane isn't a great fit in a 3-4.
Perhaps he could play end, but I can’t picture it.
Red Bryant: surprise us!
I love you Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ I love you. Yes I do.
We prefer to call him Clipboard Jesus.. but whatever.
Seems a little overboard.
Fuck this, John got me all edgy now.
I didn’t think I could survive another Tapp fiasco, now I’m sure I can’t survive another Pistol shenanigan…I am going to ignore the football universe startiiiiiing…NOW!
Trading Mebane for Jackson (in any permutation) would be the end of my investing any sort of time in the Hawks this season and for quite a while, I imagine.
This team needs a quarterback and not a high-priced receiver. It needs defensive line help and ejecting Mebane will be catastrophic. That would signify to me that the Carroll/Schneider era really will be about poor talent evaluation and improperly building.
Sigh
Are you going to also move to Canada if the wrong person wins the next election?
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but my time is limited and I'm not going to obsess about a team that is actively making itself worse.
I’ll still be a fan, but I’m already disappointed with the team direction and there’s not a lot of point winding myself up.
This.
I’m tired of receivers being the issue when we have an old QB.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
It's because there is some sort of odd refusal
To consider maybe the QB is the problem. When Shaun Alexander was sucking ass and Holmgren/Stump kept playing him we kept thinking it’s the line that’s at fault when in actuality it was Shaun that was the problem.
It’s a weird denial when a team legend starts to decline.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
First roster trimming worth consideration:
2009 2nd round pick Cody Brown, from Arizona.
250, DE in college. Anyone see any pass rush out of him?
Seriously Guys
The new Regime hasn’t even had a chance to field a team in the regular season, and you guys are having a hissy fit. The people you watch on television would never say it out loud, but this is probably the worst part of having fans.
It's definitely not the money.
They like our money.
Is “hissy fit” really the best term here? I was thinking more like we were GNN.
As I just tweeted
to people saying “if #seahawks do X, I’m not going to follow them this season,” you’re a fairweather fan or a liar- either way? You = douche
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do agree that fairweather fans are, uh...
annoying, to put it nicely. So, I’ll follow them regardless, but I don’t have to be happy about all of their decisions.
If the Seahawks ritualistically sacrifice endangered animals during the two-minute warning, I'm not going to follow them this season
You can call me whatever you want.
Internet discussion breeds hyperbole.
Some of you’re comments (and others) are making FG kind of uncomfortable right now. Nobody reading FG is a fair weather fan.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 2:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with what he said
by DrunkAmerican on Sep 3, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Calling people fair weather and douches?
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a conditional hypothetical
If you abandon your team because they don’t do what you want them to do, you are a fair weather fan.
If you are a liar, you’re a douche.
by DrunkAmerican on Sep 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think that the implication is
(especially considering Johnny’s posts the last few days) that a lot of FG readers aren’t as good of fans as he is. And I take offense to that. Everyone reading this is a huge Hawks fan and we all have the same interests in regards to how the team does. Nobody wants them to lose.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think you're reading too much into things
by DrunkAmerican on Sep 3, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you read the man's posts the last few days?
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Some Superfans
Are so adament about their fandom, they forget that the paltry rest of us are just trying to keep up.
Yeah...
Johnny’s just had a pretty differing opinion from a lot of the FG community and he thinks that that makes some of the posters here “fair weather” and “douches”.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the nature of Internet forums is clearly reactionary as well.
In my mind, it’s fine to say “F**k this! Terrible trade, these guys suck!” the same way it would be to yell something similar to Earl Thomas if he let an INT go through his hands. It’s the insistence on holding people to things they say in the moment, or at least continuously calling them out on it that gets a bit grating.
I still love you ET, don’t worry.
Good point.
Sometimes forums become streams-of-consciousness diatribes. But don’t worry, he ain’t heavy, he’s my brother.
Exactly.
And I totally dig what Johnny is all about (you’re blog rules, man!). Things can just get heated and it’s silly when it’s bickering amongst fellow Hawk fans.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the thing
I always tell my students “I can only grade what you put on the page.” I can’t assume they know anything beyond what they actually commit to paper.
In this context, I can only judge others based on what they write here in the comments. I don’t know any of you personally, or have any larger context to judge the motivations behind what you write here.
So yes, when people are writing here that they don’t want the Seahawks to make the playoffs, or their continuing support of the team is dependent on moves made or not made by the front office, I’m not going to let it slide. These notions are abhorrent to me, and I will continue to call people out when they say reactionary things like this.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
People need to understand the difference between supporting the team and supporting the front office/coaching staff.
If you want to lump the two of them into the same category, you’re missing something.
by abender20 on Sep 3, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If your support of the team is entirely conditional
on whether you like the FO’s moves… yeah, I think that’s pretty fucking lame. I stand by what I’ve wrote in this regard.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I would absolutely agree with DKSB.
I don’t think there’s a grey area.
Basically, if the thought of walking away even crosses your mind, you are a fairweather fan.
I stuck through the Behring years, I can take anything..
Not to speak for anyone else...
but I’m pretty sure most of us feel like it’s our team. Has our name in it. All the players, coaches and management are basically mercinaries. We’re lucky to have an owner who is also a fan and wants to keep it in our city— which is fortunately his city.
I worry (a little) about what will happen after Paul Allen is gone.
I don't understand it
People have been spoiled over the last 10 years ( excluding a few years ) yet a few questionable trades have people ready put quit on them. Must not have seen Ken Behring.
Ride together , Die together …we bad boys for life
Punks jump up to get beat down.
Must not have seen Ken Behring is right
Things could be so, so, so, soooooooo much worse, and have been many times in the past. Shit, this franchise literally packed up and moved to L.A.!! And we barely got them back. I don’t like the Wilson trade but that doesn’t mean I know it was the wrong move for this football team. I like the direction of the team in general, from the front office, coaching staff and new players.
GO HAWKS!
Wow.
how’s this for making you feel old: Darryl Tapp and Jordan Kent have a twitter convo about 3 Ninjas being on TV and how they must watch it.
Pavement live is better than any Seahawks game, up to and including the wild-card round
I saw them in June with Broken Social Scene during this victory lap and they were incredible. There’s no question that, live, they are better now than they were in their heyday: focused, having fun and Malkmus has developed into a monster guitar player. He was always good. On Wowee Zowee he upped his guitar playing considerably and has just gotten better since. Watching him play all of ‘Grounded’ with the guitar behind his head was a real WOW moment for me at the recent show. Slacker my ass!
I would take another Seahawks Superbowl over a Pavement gig though. Probably an NFC championship game too. Just to tie this derailment up: Stephen Malkmus is apparently a fanatical fantasy football player.
I hope they get at least a 4th for Housh. I don’t see them trading Mebane. I don’t think we’ll see Vinny Jackson in a Seahawks uni.
He's just super-into fantasy sports in general
“For the next forty-five minutes, we discuss our respective fantasy teams, pretty much nonstop. I cannot exaggerate the degree to which Malkmus enjoys fantasy sports; he almost seems to like them more than music. His fantasy football team was devastated by the loss of Ronnie Brown to injury, but he’s stayed in the playoff hunt by picking up Vikings wide receiver Sidney Rice. (”You could just immediately tell he was going to be Favre’s guy.") The most productive player on his NBA team is under-publicized Pacers forward Danny Granger, but he’s more satisfied about stealing the Nets’ Chris Douglas-Roberts off the waiver wire. Malkmus does not watch the NHL, yet he still participates in a fantasy hockey league. He’s that kind of guy. I don’t even try to talk with him about rotisserie baseball.
Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/201003/pavement-indie#ixzz0yWt7KEFW
About to head out
Here’s a simple message that will be enforced strongly and without bias: Do not be assholes to each other. Disagree, argue even, but do not question others: fanhood, intelligence, dedication, knowledge, manhood, education, etc.
If you think you are about write something mean, snarky, acerbic, accusatory, confrontational or otherwise dickish, don’t.
by John Morgan on Sep 3, 2010 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 3, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the goofiest Matt Hasselbeck picture I've ever seen.
And there’s a pretty good sample to choose from.
Him and Dilfer shirtless.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 3, 2010 2:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Derek Walker was just released from SF
Maybe we make amends from our bad move?
God that was such a stupid move by Webster
I want Bennett back.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Cut and Mike Williams will take his spot.
I disagree with this strongly.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I don't get the logic of getting rid of Housh without a replacement
No one on the roster fills that role he does effectively, at least that we can rely on. So I agree, something else has to be coming.
This better not be some dumbass "Williams is from USC" move by Carroll
Because as much as I like Mike, replacing a Pro Bowler with someone you’re trying to resurrect from bust level is puzzling.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I'm guessing a trade for Vincent Jackson is happening soon
Schneider probably just had to get the ok from Paul Allen to eat the $7 million.
I hope not.
I didn’t want to trade or cut Housh, but I could understand. If they out & out cut him, then trade for Jackson and then give him a big new deal, I would not like that.
Well, it looks like at least for this case,
they’re looking at who will be a part of the Carroll Seahawks and not just the 2010 Seahawks. Only 53 spots, and thereare some tough choices to make at the bottom. To only roll wth BMW, Branch, Tate, Butler & Obomanu (still 5 WRs) makes some decisions easier.
Jason Smith from ESPN radio is reporting it
citing Schefter
by Cougriculture on Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh I seriously don't want to lose Housh.
So unnecessary. I have such a hard time seeing him being bad or even mediocre this season. He’s not THAT old.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Not stupid at all
If you didn’t know housh is a fat cancer according to several outlets. I think housh I before team mentality played its rolls on players like jackson and wilson which made them work less as hard. Dontr say its another usc thing either. Lendale got cut two weeks into this reclamation
by Bruto56 on Sep 3, 2010 5:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You think that we traded Jackson and Wilson because they stopped working hard?
You have some very blue-colored glasses. We joke about going GNN, but this is a real example of it. There were few players as outwardly competitive and hard-working as Josh Wilson on this team. In practice or in games.
by cashless on Sep 3, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have GOT to be kidding me.
Just yesterday, it was reported that there were four, FOUR teams that wanted to trade for TJ Houshmandzadeh.
Why would you cut him if you could get somethign in return??? And if not, KEEP him!!
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
How do you know those four teams were fabricated?
They were each of them, named.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Neutral Milk Hotel: One Hit Wonder ;)
But I am a proud owner of ’In the Aeroplane…." Everyone should have a copy.
I remember not liking that album at all
the one time I tried listening to it. I thought people listened to it just to seem cool when they all secretly thought it was shit.
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
yes, if people listen to music you don't like it's because they're trying to seem cool
i mean, what else could it possibly be.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Schefter saying Housh to be cut or traded
Uh . . . why would anybody trade for him if they know he will be cut . . . seems like he will only be cut.
I'm also not worried about the 7mil guaranteed
I think Seattle would be willing to eat most of the cost for a player or a draft pick.
I am not sure that you can eat contracts in the NFL
Like you can in the MLB.
So a team would need to eat 7 mil plus a draft pick for an almost 33yo possession receiver.
I suppose
But why would he, when he could sign with any team he wants and still get his 7 mil, plus stick it to the Hawks.
He can restructure it so that the new team eats part of the cost
Like the way Corey Redding did when he signed with Seattle. I think Detroit ate like four mil.
So Seattle could pick up 4 mil, the new team could pick up 4 mil, and he comes out a million ahead.
Housh's contract says the Seahawks must cover any gap
If somebody offers him $1 million, then Seattle is on the hook for the other $6 million. Sorry, can’t find the link, but I’m sure I remember it correctly.
That’s assuming he’s snatched as a free agent. If another team gets him off waivers, they’d have to pick up the contract (but I doubt anybody would do that, knowing that a huge salary discount is possible).
You are correct.
His contract shouldn’t be an issue in a trade.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
And I found the link:
His Seahawks contract includes offset language that makes Seattle liable to pay Houshmanzadeh whatever his new team doesn’t.
So if Houshmanzadeh were to sign a veteran minimum deal of $850,000, the Seahawks would be liable for the remaining $6.15 million balance.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure the Seahawks can afford it,
but I’m betting that the cost is going to eventually be passed on to the Season ticket holders. Same with Jim Mora’s $12 million.
by Mind of no mind on Sep 3, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It's about this time last year SBN crashed when B-Russ was cut.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I was optimistic last season when we cut B-Russ and signed Milloy
Now I’m thinking we’re only better than the Rams because we’re making ourselves worse. So maybe we’ll go 12-4.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Schefter also reported we're picking up Patrick Ramsey
Saints cut him and that means we’re cutting Losman I assume.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Oh jeeze.
I’m on the lookout for interesting players to pick up, but at this point I want to keep the interesting ones we have and see how the season unfolds.
I do expect we’ll pick up at least one guy, though. But not this one.
Charlie better look out.
Ramsey’s not bad. Played on a lot of bad teams. Started with the Skins, who fucked him up for good.
Haha, true.
But not me. Ramsey’s decent in the ways Losman is not, from what I’ve seen.
This might be part of the "shadow roster" John mentioned before
We cut Losman — who is pretty awful and unlikely to stick with another team — and we bring in another QB to learn the secrets of the Seahawks offense. However, I’m one of those guys who would rather just have 2 QBs on the roster.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5529209
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Well now there's an egg on my face.
He still doesn’t say he’s being released though, still says there’s a chance for a trade.
He strangely took several minutes to tweet it after a dozen others
despite being the one breaking it. On the radio, maybe he makes regular radio appearances and the timing dictated it, I dunno.
Fact of the matter is he's gone
And one of “Carroll’s guys” inexplicably and perhaps undeservedly got top billing (for the time being).
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Reply fail.
I don’t know if “inexplicably” is right. Williams has played well in the preseason, and Carroll hasn’t been particularly loyal to USC players. Yeah, he brought him into the team, and I keep thinking this is all about age. That’s right, Carroll is an ageist. And it makes me sad. _
Yes but it's preseason
4 preseason games wipes out his other seasons and makes him #1?
I think they should’ve waited to determine if this was a smart decision instead of taking risks.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
No, not wipes out.
And yeah, I think they should have kept Housh. And I’m not talent evaluator, so I’m just saying they seem happy with his play and his age (ageists, boo!) and so they are getting rid of Housh.
I don’t agree with the decision, just didn’t agree that it was “inexplicable.” It was “explicable” but that doesn’t mean I agree with the explaination.
Well if they keep Housh this year and they don't him
All they do is shift this years salary problem onto next years (which may be a capped year). How much will Housh be guaranteed next year? And at 34, hardly easier to trade. So if they want to eat the money on Housh, this year is the year.
There is a difference between trading and cutting though.
I could stomach trading Housh for a 5th rounder (or something), releasing him would be hard for me to swallow.
More importantly, Hasselbeck to Mike Williams has looked pretty good.
and that’s not an indictment of the Hosh/Hass rapport, a very overreported nothing.
I keep thinking that Houshmandzadeh is still on the trade block for the Chargers.
I have come across a report that the Chargers (among 3 other teams) are interested in him.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, "cut or trade."
So, a trade is still possible.
Of course, it says whatever another team doesn’t give him of the 7 mil, we have to pay out of pocket, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see someone pay him the league minimum of $815,000 and make us eat the rest. Yum!
I agree.
Unless someone is afraid that they won’t get him because he’ll be grabbed on waivers by somebody. So, yeah, cut or a 7th. Wee!
Hawks fans wanted to ditch Branch, instead they lose Housh.
Hawks fans wanted to ditch Kelly Jennings, instead they lose Josh Wilson.
Everyone better shut up about Colin Cole right now!
NOBODY can fully embrace Colin Cole.
He’s that big.
by Chirp on Sep 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Besides a can of Sprite and Housh
What would be a reasonable trade for VJac?
If you can get your hands on Unicorn urine
I’d bet they’d throw in Rivers too.
But after the scope I hear Nick Reed’s jock strap has fallen in value.
Get A.J. Smith on the line!
Think we may have found a trade partner!
Win now = next year
Housh would help the team win this year – though I don’t see how he helps the team next.
So why not cut him next year?
Why would you throw in the towel for the division race when SF only needs one Alex Smith/Rocky Bernard moment to be in complete turmoil?
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I'm with you there
I want to see this team improve this year, but I really want this year’s mom’s to improve us in 2011-2015.
Portland transplant to Boston.
His father is Ernie Kent
So if he can catch a basketball he can catch a football.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I thought we got fleeced with Wilson
But Crayton for a 6/7 just seems like they were 5 minutes away from cutting him when SD called and inquired.
Portland transplant to Boston.
I don't know why he mentioned the Wilson trade.
But people have been mentioning how no one would trade for a player that we were going to release anyways. So he’s saying that this situation could play out in a similar fashion to the Crayton trade.
Ah, I see.
So then, indicating we might not have gotten fleeced as bad as it felt, considering we got the conditional 5th.
Exactly
I was just in a hurry and needed to get a thought out and couldn’t find a better place to put it.
Portland transplant to Boston.
You don't remember?
They’re deciding the NFC West this year with County Fair style competitions, not win-loss records this year.
Portland transplant to Boston.
The moral of the story?
Don’t ever buy a jersey during Carroll’s tenure.
by m_b on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
With the White injury
(Lendale, that is) what are the chances that he’d have been hurt playing for Seattle? Freak accident, or the result of not being “competitive” enough?
They couldn't.
It was sort of an irrelevant question, and a goof on Carroll for his “compete forever” nature. The only “real” part is that I wonder if White was not in as good’a’shape as advertised originally, because sometimes players who aren’t in shape will get hurt in preseason.
Of course, anyone can get hurt in preseason, even gods and demigods: see, Nick Reed.
I wonder if Q/PM is trying to start with a new slate
And clean up things Ruskell did.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
sure seems like it
but that would be pig headed and foolish in my opinion. Ruskell knew what he was doing, just swung and missed a few teams. I really fear for my own sanity after tomorrow.
by Hancock.Brett on Sep 3, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Ruskell did not know what he was doing. Hence he reason the clean up job has been so drastic
by Bruto56 on Sep 3, 2010 5:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
Ruskell really bombed with Tatupu, Carlson, Forsett, Grant, Pistol, etc.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
The only problem I have with Ruskell were his dealings in free agency, and his hiring of Jim Mora.
Oh, and the fact that he was trying to build a midget army. When I’m taller than all but eight or so players on a football team, something isn’t right. But the man found some serious gems in the draft, mostly in the later rounds. And that is something to be applauded.
I must say, I like Housh.
I like his hair, his attitude and his unspellable name. I think he had a place on this football team, and I think he could have helped teach some of the younger guys a thing or three about running routes.
He’ll probably end up in Minnesota. But I wish he could stick around. Farewell, Housh!
We have Branch for veteran presence.
Ugh. But yes! He is my second or third favorite Seahawk personality. Gonna miss him and his amazing, golden, Unicorn-sticky hands. I hope he becomes someone’s numba one.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I hope that Tatupu, Trufant, and Matt stay.
Those are the jerseys I own, plus Kerney. But Kerney retired a Hawk, plus it’s a premier white and green jersey and autographed from Training Camps. Problem is, 3/4 of the sigs on the jersey are now with different teams. Arghhhh. I got JForce, JC, and Mebanes autograph this year, they better stay!!!!
by PhoneHomeET29 on Sep 3, 2010 3:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
ouch, you have the three that I love the most
but fear will be gone by tomorrow. I mean fuck those players they suck (reverse psych, take that Pete).
by Hancock.Brett on Sep 3, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I'm only buying the retired jerseys for right now
I just got a Walter Jones jersey in the mail so I’m set for this season anyway.
I saw a guy in the NYC subway
wearing a Jets Favre jersey… I lolled until I rofled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
Tatupu, Mebane, and Carlson had better not get traded or released
If they can’t keep them, then an entire Hawaiian island will find itself beneath the sea.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Question
Now I’m trying to think back to the preseason finale. Was Mike Williams out there running Housh’s routes with Schneider and Carroll watching to make sure he knew those routes?
I’m going to have to get the Tivo fired up!
I think this is making me understand something more
I’ve never rooted for all the teams from the same city or geographic area, but the events of the last few days are making me understand in greater depth why other do it.
Let’s say you have this amorphous resource called “fandom.” This is all the passion, dedication, interest, obsession, $ and time you can throw at sports teams. At a relatively early age, I focused ALL of these resources on two teams: The Seattle Seahawks and the Boston Red Sox. I like these teams for different reasons, and they fulfill somewhat different psychological needs for me. Liking one more doesn’t force me to like the other less, and there is relatively little overlap between seasons, etc. It works out well for me.
Tons of other sports fans have a general positive affect for all the teams whose names start with “Cleveland” or “Chicago” or “Seattle.” Their resources of fandom can be transferred fairly easily from team to team… From the Seahawks to the Mariners to the Huskies to the Sounders to the Storm. This is probably the SMART way to go, because you can vote with your dollars and not be accused of being a fair-weather fan. Why? Because you’re not, at the core level, a Seahawks fan. You are a SEATTLE fan… so why not reward/punish teams for bad moves/good moves, bad performance/good performance?
I don’ t have that as an option. Once baseball season ends, it’s just me, the Seahawks, a a big, dark, mostly hostile world.
So with this greater level of understanding, that we might simply be different kinds of fans, I am going to attempt to let certain things that trigger me to anger and reaction slide.
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I'm not saying I am
There’s always a bigger fish (can’t believe I just quoted The Phantom Menace).
"I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system, the universe is indifferent." -Don Draper
by Johnny Peel (DKSB) on Sep 3, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Well said good sir
I never thought of it that way. It makes sense, though. There’s a certain amount of protectionism (is that even a word?) associated with being simply a “Seattle” fan as opposed to directly and specifically a Seahawks fan only.
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
After moving to LA I have found that my love of all things 12 has only increased
While, admittedly, my interest in the Mariners have waned (although I find myself fairly disinterested in baseball as a whole). So I feel very confident that my love for this team is completely sincere, and not just a by-product of spending most of my life living in Seattle.
Being from the Seattle area and growing up rooting for all the teams that play there
I can’t relate to your sentiments that much. To me, rooting passionately for a team in another city is just rooting for laundry and a logo. There’s nothing wrong with that but I have to have a personal attachment for a team/franchise/school to get my emotion. I don’t want the M’s, Seahawks, Sounders, or the hole in my heart that used to be the Sonics, to fail any more than the other. And I’m a massive fan of the NFL, so “you’re not, at the core level, a Seahawks fan” is impossible. I’ll line up my Blue and Green—and Silver—blood with any motherfucker and thrice on Sunday.
But an argument about depth of fandom is a waste of time. I’m thrilled that people from other cities and countries pick the Hawks to care about. Some of the best writing online wouldn’t exist if not for that kind of fan. And the local fanbase is fickle, economically-impacted and beaten down from all the losing. A long history of losing, and our one championship left town with our NBA team. So I don’t blame anyone for being weary with their sports team. Bottom line, you know how you feel, I know how I feel, and that’s what matters. Other folks are going to think or say whatever and that’s on them. If a Qwest Field full of other diehards screaming their lungs out and the team taking the field in the colors doesn’t make all of whatever is said on the radio and in blogs just melt away, then nothing but blue skies and easy wins will. I don’t care if someone became a fan 35 years ago or yesterday as long as they’re a fan. You can tell who the real ones are, and the others aren’t worth the time.
by lemonverbena on Sep 3, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's less of a decision
to root Seattle teams and more of something that was bred into me. I’ll give you an example. My parents went to WSU. I went to University of Arizona. I was raised and reared a Coug so it was no surprise to find my brother (another U of A alum) and me quietly rooting for Wazzu football standing in the middle if Zona Zoo. It was no longer a choice. If it was we would have cheered along with our dollars for the Wildcats, but we couldn’t. Our training had been cemented and there was no breaking it no matter what our rational minds said. We wanted a school to win that we never attended and is located in a town we do not know. Teams are a passion that do not travel through logical centers of our brains.
I'm pretty much only a Seahawk fan
And I shall have no other teams before them
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 3, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'ing this harder than the Hammer of Thor.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 3, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand and respect your opinion, but I must contribute mine...
I’ve lived in a multitude of sportsfan cities, and my allegiances have developed accordingly. I’m a Cleveland Indians fan, a Seahawks, and a Sounders fan, and also a NY Rangers fan. NCAA speaking I’m a Syracuse fan( mostly, but I would love to see a SU and UW finalie of any sort).
But the grand theme for me is that I expect me teams to deploy competitive teams. I don’t change my alliances, and would never become a fan of a competitor just because, but I expect my teams to represent my commitment and fandoom. i want to see the best and I expect the best.
I think the contact between a franchise and fan involves a level of trust. We entrust that they will field the best team with the best available talent. Short term or long term, they have a strategy that will serve some competitive purpose. When I feel they chose a strategy opposed to my own strategic and competitive purpose I become concerned and think I should be justified in making fiscal decisions as a result.
Its not a questions of fandom, its a question of strategy and investment. Many of us expect a return from our emotional commitment.
This doesn't seem to make a ton of sense for Minny.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 3, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure they'd do it for a 6th rounder and almost no salary
And at this point I think I might be happy with such a return. Better than nothing.
I don't pretend to know their roster, but do they really have a place or need for him?
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 3, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Sidney Rice is hurt
Which leave B. Barion their number one WR and P. Harvin isn’t that reliable with his migrains. They could use a straight up WR.
I don't know if 6 games is significant enough for them to make a move like this.
We’ll see.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 3, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Why Vincent Jackson
At this point, he’s going to miss 6 games anyway.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be 3.
If he signs before…he 6th? The three can be done concurrently, unless he signs after the 6th, in which case they must be served sequentially. At least, that’s the way I heard it. I’ll see if I can find a link for that.
No, I believe that it's most likely six games.
He is already suspended for three games. He cannot report before then, and because he is on the roster exempt list, he will miss three games after reporting. Therefore, he will miss six games this year.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Here is a source.
According to an NFL spokesperson, if Jackson was traded and reported to his new club before the Sept. 4 deadline for final roster reduction, then his roster-exempt suspension would be served concurrently with the league-mandated suspension, and therefore Jackson could return to the active roster for Week 4.
So, if he signs TODAY, he can miss 3. Otherwise, 6. Some sort of screwy rule. Unless I misunderstand what this means.
Ah. Well that makes sense.
Well if a team wants him bad enough, they had better get going and get a deal done with him and the Chargers.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 3:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus they're in "Win Now" mode
With two consecutive trips to the NFC Championship game, and a question mark at QB next year, their window appears to be closing.
Only one trip to the NFC championship game, not two.
The year before, it was the Eagles vs. the Cardinals.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
They’re a superbowl contender with a huge hole at WR.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 3, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
From ProFootballTalk
Schefter reports there is offset language in the deal. Seahawks will have to pay Houshmanzadeh whatever his new team doesn’t this year. If the new team pays $1.5 million, the Seahawks pay $5.5 million
Alphonso Smith is on the blocks
Thank you for Earl Thomas Denver. Thank you.
He'll get cut.
And then we might as well pick him up, just to emphasize the mugging.
by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's only 5' 9"
Too small regardless of what his talent level is…
Unlike Josh Wilson I sorta hate Housh.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 3, 2010 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A cougar's beaver?
Every time you masturbate... God kills a kitten? Fuck kittens.
by Matt Erickson on Sep 3, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
You have no desire for a 6’5", 4.48 running, ball snatching, 11 yards per target getting, double-team demanding, stud wide receiver? None? Have you a pulse good sir?
Meh I've just never thought of him as elite.
Maybe I’m underselling him but for what he wants I don’t want to give it to him.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 3, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm right there with you
Jackson is good but I don’t want to pay what its going to cost to get him and keep him
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
I find his stat line unconvincing
Vincent Jackson was 30th in the NFL in total receptions last year. Thirtieth.
Oh, but wait— he’s a big target with a huge ypc.
well…
San Diego’s Vincent Jackson is 6’5" and averaged 17.2 yards per catch in 2009.
San Diego’s Malcom Floyd is 6’5" and averaged 17.2 yards per catch in 2009.
No doubt Jackson brings a lot to the table. And I think he’s worthy of being a #1 WR for most NFL teams. But the gaudy numbers can’t be separated out from the system and surrounding talent, which leaves the very real possibility that Vincent Jackson is something less than pro-bowl level talent without the trappings of Antonio Gates and Phillip Rivers.
How about the fact that he was good for 11 yards per target last year?
Meaning that every time the ball was thrown in his general direction, the Chargers gained 11 yards. So basically, every time you toss the ball his way it amounts to a first down.
Yes, that's a bit more impressive
I vaguely remember seeing the yards/target, or maybe it was the receptions/target, on an earlier link from John. It was high, and significantly higher than that of his teammates (thus ruling out a simple “it’s the guys around him” interpretation).
I think I must be defaulting to a more pessimistic evaluation because he seems to be something of a jerk, having been suspended for three games and making unreasonable salary demands. But if Reclamation Master Carroll thinks he’s worthwhile, I try to remain optimistic.
Floyd is an intriguing player, but no where near the athlete Jackson is.
And his hands aren’t nearly as good. Jackson makes some amazing catches, including some where he uses his entire length while diving in almost any direction. The reception sphere (area where he can catch a ball) for Vincent Jackson is truly amazing, and his concentration during some catches is incredible. He’s a much different player than a normal tall possession receiver.
One thing I always do when someone else is trying to tell me how good a player is
Is start listing players that are definitely better than them. It helps put things in perspective. So, in no particular order:
1. Andre Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Randy Moss
4. Brandon Marshall
5. Reggie Wayne
After that, it gets a little dicey. Probably have to put Ochocinco on there, he’s got a lot more seasons of #1 production. Then who? After those six, there really aren’t any receivers that I can say for certain are better than VJax has been over the past two years.
Just some perspective, I can totally see why people are disinterested because of the money he’s demanding.
and as Stafford
develops he will only accrue more value.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
You could definitely argue that.
But like I said below, would you want Calvin Johnson Jr in a Seahawks uniform? Because Jackson is comparable. Obviously, Calvin is younger and most likely will be a lot better than Jackson in the future, so I would want him more than Jackson, but I think you understand my point.
Greg Jennings is better.
Marques Colston is better.
Roddy White is better.
Semper Fi'
WatchKalibRun.com
Pain don't hurt...
Ah I knew I was forgetting someone.
Yeah, I’d probably put Roddy White over Jackson. But Jennings and Colston? That’s a little iffy. Are they really definitely better? Without a doubt?
But this is exactly why I do this. The fact that we’re even arguing whether Jackson is up there with these guys means that he’s probably a Top 10 guy at a very valuable position. Would you want White or Colston or Jennings on the Seahawks? Because I’d say that Jackson is comparable to, and in some cases better than, those guys.
Also: use the subject line when posting.
But aren't we talking about Jackson being in company with these wideouts
because we believe he is among the elite wideout company, but because YOU mentioned that we should talk about players who “are definitely better” than him.
You can’t start a conversation about who is better than a certain player, and then saying that player is as good as the others mentioned because he’s in the same conversation. It seems a little…circular.
There was a group in the middle of that discussion that he couldn't completely place above Jackson.
I don’t think I’d absolutely choose Colston over Jackson, the others I would. He felt that way about Colston and Jennings. Being the next two names, and feeling it was debatable, he felt comfortable saying “in the conversation.” Not in the top 6 or 7, but in the 8-10 range.
Just wanted to point out he wasn’t putting him in the conversation against all of those guys. Just the tier after them.
I feel like the 10-15 range is what I’d say, and that’s good enough for me to want him.
Cashless nailed it.
If I had to group the top receivers in the league, I would do it like this:
Elite, #1, Super-Stud: Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald
Elite: Brandon Marshall, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne
Top 10: Chad Ochocinco, Roddy White, Calvin Johnson Jr, Vincent Jackson, Miles Austin
Full disclosure: I don’t like DeSean Jackson and Greg Jennings (I hate the Eagles [it’s a Madden thing] and… I don’t know why, I just don’t like Greg Jennings that much) and so I probably underrate them. And I think Colston is a product of Brees and Sean Payton.
I would rather have Greg Jennings then VJ.
I hope Tate becomes like Greg Jennings.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 4, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, to all three of those.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions
While Housh is 11 yards per catch, good for 144th in the league last year.
Hat tip to Brock Huard for that stat.
Is Cody Brown a potential Leo?
A defensive end that the Cards unsucessfully tried to mold into a 3-4 backer… late 2nd round pick the year before last.
Denver is shopping Alphonso Smith for a fifth rounder.
I know little of Alphonso, but would turning the 5th/4th round conditional we got for Pistol into Smith make sense?
by THolt on Sep 3, 2010 6:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Alphonso Smith = Earl Thomas.
At least that’s what Denver paid for him.
Well illogical draft equvalency aside.
by THolt on Sep 4, 2010 1:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if we could turn recently cut Cody Brown into a LEO?
And for obvious reasons I wouldn’t mind seeing Al Afalava land somewhere good.
Anyone know what the actual roster deadline is, to the hour?
I know it’s Saturday, but when on Saturday?
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
If the Seahawks just outright cut Housh I am gonna be pissed
He has more trade value than Patrick Crayton
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Sep 3, 2010 7:10 PM PDT reply actions
Reed gone
Reached injury settlement. Wow.
by hermann22 on Sep 3, 2010 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
The heavens have opened and the wrath shall be mighty. We have angered His one begotten son.
More like a bed intruder snatching him away. HIDE YOUR KIDS HIDE YOUR WIFE
by hermann22 on Sep 3, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
Cause they raping ery’body! You don’t have to come and confess, we lookin’ for you! We gon’ find you, gon’ find you!
by PhoneHomeET29 on Sep 3, 2010 10:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
rec'd
for inevitability?…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
By "injury settlement" I'm guessing that means they're paying him not to hurt them for releasing him.
by Mind of no mind on Sep 3, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
An injury settlement is standard for an injured player who's getting cut
On the job hazard, it’s the teams responsibility.
I sure hope Davis is ready for this.
Preseason was nice but we need a true contributor.
by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 10:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Reed was God last preseason...
so I’d bet by morning he’s with the Raiders or Chargers or Broncos or whoever else we played. He had to impress more than just us.
But this sucks. He was perhaps my favorite...
along with Mebane and Mare.
There must be something I'm not understanding (which isn't terribly unusual)
But why would the FO let that information get out and effectively render him untradeable? Was he already effectively untradeable so it just didn’t matter?
by Cougriculture on Sep 3, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Can someone please tell me why Branch isn’t the one being talked about with trades? Housh is AT THE LEAST a leader right? Plus Branch’s salary is not as much as TJ. sigh
Well
Injury, leading to lack of production. Bad reputation.
I guess I should have said this...
I guess I should have said “Why isn’t Branch being talked about being traded or released.” Rather TJ then Branch.
Expensive, hasn't been healthy for a full season since 2006, production has gone down.
I like Branch, but I don’t think he has much value to other teams…maybe you could get a 7th for him.
He's not untradeable
If he is released, he gets to CHOOSE his next team. Some teams may trade for him because he might not CHOOSE to join their squad. Housh wouldn’t CHOOSE to be a Ram. He probably wouldn’t CHOOSE to be a Raider. Somewhere out there, there is a 7th round draft pick that’s waiting to be sent over.
Also, the FO probably didn’t tell the media this information. The FO probably told Housh what was up in all fairness to him. Then word spreads. Yeah. Something like that.
No more Nick Reed either.
So let’s look at how the 2011 draft is.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
The trick is to get really drunk.
Football & women. They both look a lot better then.
Vikes traded both Rosenfels and Darius Reynaud to the Giants
For draft picks.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
There better be a receiver out of this
But the only realistic option is Bernard Berrian, who is 29 but he’s not outstanding.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
We don't NEED receivers
We NEED a quarterback. I’m not interested in Vincent Jackson.
But if we can trade Housh and some draft picks to get Hutch back I’d take it.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Agreed.
We need help on defense, not another receiver. I’m pretty comfortable with our group, even minus Housh. We’ve gotta get some elite talent on D. As we’ve seen for the past, what, 4 years, Tats can’t do it all himself. Mebane is a stud, but having one good dude on the D line is useless.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions
looks like we will get something for Housh after all.
joereedy: Per a league source, the Vikings, Jets, Chargers and Cardinals have made trade offers with the Seahawks for Houshmandzadeh
I would absolutely skin Schneider alive if he traded within the division
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Man. Football can be like the economy.
You can argue with sound logic and irrefutable mathematics, and the way things turn out can still be completely different. Surprising that dumpers intentions to cut Housh would stir up so many trade candidates. But it makes sense.
by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 10:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmmm the Jets.
I wouldn’t mind Revis and/or Cotchery out of that.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Revis would be unrealistic
But I would demand Jerricho Cotchery in return.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
We don't really need him
But the Jets don’t have anything else we could use that they would willingly give to us.
I doubt they’d hand over Bart Scott but they sure as hell would dump Vernon Gholston.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I hope Carroll and Schneider didn't just concede this season
It is the NFC West after all.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
If Tyler Polumbus is worth a 6th
Why can’t Seattle do the same with guys like Terrill?
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Is that what we traded for Polumbus?
I never saw what the actual compensation was
Because Polumbus can turn into something.
Terrill will never be a starter.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Revis is completely realistic, what are you talking about?
An over-the-hill receiver for the best CB in the league? That’s a no-brainer!
Best CB in the league "so-called."
I’m not drinking the Revis Kool-Aid. No one called him the best in the league until Rex Ryan starting flapping his fat neck.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 4, 2010 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I was definitely in your position at the start of the season
But if you just look at the numbers that the opponent’s best receivers got against him… I won’t say for sure he’s the best, but he is super-elite.
I'm not sure dumping Housh, Nick Reed, and Pistol was a part of it
That’s like tearing down the whole house because the garage is busted and the pipes are rusty.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
More like
We arrived in someone else’s apartement dirty and filled with trash. We began the efforts to make the house better by what we have, but in the end we still only are left with trash.
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
Nick Reed is gone
So will Mebane be our new cult figure and assume the Reed jokes?
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I don't know if there are any players worthy of facts like Nick Reed.
Though Deon Butler may be entering the conversation. But he’s faster than a bullet and can run around the world so fast it makes the Earth reverse its spin.
Wow. I didn't even know Nick Reed was injured.
Released with injury settlement. Another reason undersized defensive ends are called undersized?
Red Bryant: surprise us!
Could HAVE
have have have. Yes I have a stick up my arse about this.
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Jennings and Housh for Revis
reported by: boytruck
I scrolled down so I could only see the subject line
And nearly crapped my pants.
Damn you!
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Got me too lol.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 3, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm out
The good news is my stomach virus cleared up (for now) and I’m physically healthy. The bad news is the Seahawks want to make me as mentally exhausted as possible.
Good night everyone.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
This is why I hate being someone who stays up late and wakes up late
Hearing rumors like this start, then the real story breaks at 7 in the morning while I’m fast asleep.
by Stormton on Sep 3, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Getting rid of Housh...
I’m not crazy about it, but I get it for a couple reasons.
1) I think Carroll is going young wherever he can, recognizing that this is going to be a rebuild. It could be a quick one, but this season could get ugly.
2) Given that, Housh could net us something in return that’ll help us when we’re ready to be good again. Add to that, my speculation is that Housh is probably not the vet you want on a rebuilding team with a college head coach.
I wonder if the practice time Housh missed a couple weeks back for “family reasons” was the team letting him make other arrangements for his family. In a Danny O’Neill article he mentions that Housh already knew about the possibility of a trade, and he mentions something about making arrangements for his wife and kids.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
TNT has a report
That four teams are interested in Housh:
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/09/03/report-four-teams-interested-in-housh/
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
So far I've seen it about different 5 places... but all from the same source.
(The Cincy Enquirer beat writer)
So who here would do our 1st round pick plus Housh for Revis?
I’d strongly consider it. Leaning toward yes.
by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 10:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Nah, a 3rd is all I would do.
Revis isn’t going to anything but hurt the Jets all season and his price will go down. A 3rd and Housh for Revis, lock it up!
Wait a minute, do we even have a third rounder?
Ray Roberts tweeted a source tells him no trade, Housh will just be cut.
by jacobstevens on Sep 3, 2010 10:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Really? Not even a 7th round pick?
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
How can that be true when there's still time to get something done?
They forcing an early deadline on themselves? Stupid if true…
With less than 24 hours to go?
No, teams will wait for him to be released, rather than trading for him.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 4, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions
And then each one takes a quarter Housh
by jacobstevens on Sep 4, 2010 9:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's good.
Because if it’s a half Housh, that’s considered trafficking.
Could it be a soothing tactic?
Cutting Housh is kind of a dick move.
He’s aging and expensive, but he’s still good.
And some have noted that he’s egotistical, but (1)he’s a wide receiver; duh and (2)He’s always given the impression that he’s really happy with this team, his teammates, and the city.
Thus my speculation: Seattle looked at a couple of paltry 7th-round offers, and decided that a small sliver of redemptive goodwill was worth more. Therefore, they released Housh outright so he could cherry-pick his own 2010 team. That also gives him back some control over where he’s going to move his family, which seemed to be a point of irritation for him.
I saw Cap'n Jazz, The Juliana Theory and The Get Up Kids this summer.
The Promise Ring has to be next!
Since the beginning of 2010 I've seen: Dinosaur Jr, Mouse on Mars, Pavement,
Broken Social Scene, X, Mudhoney, Flaming Lips, Spoon, Rush, The Specials.
Some of these were among the best concerts I’ve ever seen.
The competition lesson is learned
and now SEA is going to trade Tru and a conditional 5th to BAL to get Josh back cause he’s competing now (and BAL has needs at corner) and send Mebane to and a 4th to PHI for Tapp.
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