On Matt and on without Matt
My next post will wrap up the second quarter, which was packed, and then the next two posts will cover the third quarter. Tomorrow I'll cover the fourth quarter and special teams.
Before I get to that, let's talk Matt Hasselbeck and the Seahawks offense.
In the rush to point out that Hasselbeck is reaching the end of his contract and how that sort of settles whether Hasselbeck is a part of the Seahawks future or not, I want to step back and point out: Matt Hasselbeck through three games has played much better than he ever did in 2008 or 2009. He might not be a great quarterback and when he bombs out like he did in Denver, he might not seem like even a serviceable quarterback, but that's exactly what he is, a serviceable quarterback. Hasselbeck is mediocre to just a bit better than. Though his arm strength is well south of ideal, healthy Hasselbeck is hitting passes, like the thirty-yard zinger into the right flat that Deion Branch caught and fumbled into the end zone, that he has not been able to make in recent years. His arm strength is a weakness rather than a crippling weakness, he's hitting open receivers, mostly, and he is confidently executing the game plan. Matt has graduated from game manager in the pejorative to game manager in the complimentary.
Jeremy Bates deserves a lot of credit as does Pete Carroll and the Seahawks shift in how they handle camp and preseason. Matt is healthy and a healthy Hasselbeck is a completely different quarterback. Some of Matt's improved perceived performance is improved talent around him. Tyler Polumbus has performed better than any left tackle Seattle started last season. Bates has game planned and adjusted and protected his weakest links and emphasized his strongest. Hasselbeck is facing less interior pressure and that's allowing him to step into throws. Arm strength isn't a constant but a range, and Hasselbeck ranges towards adequate when he's healthy and he can step into throws. Mike Williams may not be producing like a number one receiver, but he seems to be drawing coverage and allowing players around him to have favorable matchups. It's a better offense, a better coached offense, Matt is healthy and he is playing fairly well, but, for the first time in as long as I can remember, the offense is growing up independent of Hasselbeck. Whether it's Whitehurst or someone else, Seattle's next franchise quarterback will inherit a young, talented, emerging unit with excellent potential.
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John Morgan
I take it you are not still in favor of benching said “game manager in the complimentary”.
I can conceive of that being better in the long run
But do you think the Seahawks would be likely to win more games this season? (I tend to think they wouldn’t, but I’m open to being persuaded.)
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
Maybe not
but I don’t think Seattle’s playoff chances are dependent on Matt, and Matt won’t get any worse or less healthy sitting on the bench.
Feeling better..
About Whitehurst going in there if need-be. There a TON of factors that make this team competitive aside from Hasselbeck. When was the last time I could say that? Oh, right – NEVER.
Ka-Kaaa!
Thank you John, for pointing that Matt Hasselbeck is playing better than he did in the last couple of years.
I have spotted this these last 3 games, and throughout preseason. I also it is due to better overall health, improved talent, and surprisingly better protection.
Golden!
He may also improve over the next couple of games
If the OL continues performing well and he gets more familiar with the scheme and his receivers.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 30, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Assuming everybody stays healthy
/fingers crossed
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 30, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope that when the time comes for him to hang it up,
They find an amicable solution to keep him around to coach. He’s been a great leader and all around good Seattle citizen. He’ll probably never be willing to hand over the reins and will feel compelled to prove he can still do it somewhere else though. I hope I’m wrong about that, but regardless, Seattle has to commit to a future solution to the position right?
In fact, I'd be a bit surprised if he got another football-related job after he hangs 'em up.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
He did present it as an opinion.
And it’s not without base either. Hass is a family oriented guy with three children under ten.
Like Lemon, I expect to see Matt on TV.
His brother already is, and Matt comes across really well on camera when speaking.
I can all but guarantee
Matt goes back to New England (geographically), where most of his family lives.
by Bildo on Sep 30, 2010 4:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He did pull a ton of marketability after the super bowl.
But in retrospect I dont think EAS “made him ready” for the 2008 and 2009 seasons.
Zing..hehe
Matt replaced Trent Dilfer once...
And he’ll do it again. I see his future in broadcasting not coaching.
Hasselbeck does not have a great voice for broadcasting.
Bandwagon leader for Michael Robinson as Seattle Seahawks starting QB.
Then again, neither does boring ass Joe Buck.
Bandwagon leader for Michael Robinson as Seattle Seahawks starting QB.
Nor do so many commentators.
In fact, Its such a nice change when they draw a good commentator that I take notice.
I could see Matt as a hybrid between the previous player and his sidekick the nerdy stat boy plus anlittle charm and humor.
Yep. Too soft.
But his charm and humor would be more than welcome.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Well --- Brian Billick will do our Bears game week 6.
I hate that.
Bandwagon leader for Michael Robinson as Seattle Seahawks starting QB.
Cue the shift in FG readers from hate of Hasselbeck's playing to mild respect for his game management.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 30, 2010 4:33 PM PDT reply actions
So...the heated arguments and a "blog divided" was just "hate of Hasselbeck's playing" to you?
All that’s missing from your thinly veiled shot at a FG’s hive mind is something about ditto-heads, or Morganites. John’s calling out of Matt’s play wasn’t met with a cult response and a beheading of the Hasselbeck, but a fierce argument that never ended until John called timeout and asked for peace on the blog.
If anything, this is John’s olive branch to those who still believe in Matt starting, if he were capable of such a thing. This is not a place where readers simply believe whatever Mr. Morgan tells them to.
by cashless on Sep 30, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
If John told us to sacrifice a virgin, I'm like 75% sure I wouldn't do it
‘cuz I’m not a cult follower of the All-seeing, All-knowing Morgan the Great. Glory and Peace Be Unto Him.
by J.L. White on Sep 30, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with BrianL on this one.
It was funny though. It’s right up my alley as far as vindictive and passive-aggressive. Given the fact that we are a “blog on the mend” it was ill-timed.
Okay.... I'm in.
by The Manchild on Sep 30, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
A blog on the mend?
I’ve seen community meltdowns and we’re pretty far from it. At worst we’re a blog going through some adjustments. At worst.
fills pipe
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 30, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Field Gulls: A blog on the.....GROW!
What with it’s solid-gold streets and cars that can drive on water.
It's as if FG readers respected John Morgan's opinion
Go figure.
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
by TheLaird on Sep 30, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
I will be the first to admit that I am hard on Matt for his shortcomings with long throws
His short game has been good though. Good enough to keep us moving.
Hasselbeck still can be accurate
But I still feel that he could very easily put the offense at a disadvantage like he’s done in the first two weeks by throwing crucial interceptions on the opening drive.
I’m still ready for Whitehurst but Hasselbeck is still giving me very scary thoughts.
Bandwagon leader for Michael Robinson as Seattle Seahawks starting QB.
I utterly dispise that toss-up he threw in Denver for his 1st INT
Even if Bailey didn’t make an amazing jump to pick it off, that throw was still stupid (and I’m pretty sure he underthrew it, too). Even after reading all the good things John said about our QB, I think Matt still makes a few too many mistakes to be completely trusted.
I just don’t think Matt realizes how little room for error his weak arm affords him these days. However, there isn’t anything John said that I really disagree with, and still believe we can survive with him behind center.
What I fear
Is Hasselbeck puts up respectable numbers and does enough to get a contract extension. Under no circumstances should he be starting week #1 of 2011 or 2012.
Bandwagon leader for Michael Robinson as Seattle Seahawks starting QB.
I agree that would be a mistake
But what if the Seahawks DON’T draft a QB next year? That would be a colossal blunder in it’s own right, but what if Whitehurst gets seriously hurt or proves to be a very poor QB? There could be scenarios where bringing Hasselbeck back wouldn’t be that bad.
If Carroll has shown one thing during his Seahawks tenure so far, it’s that he isn’t overly sentimental to keeping existing Seahawk players on the roster; I just don’t think he would guarantee Hasselbeck a starting gig unless it was certain no other option was available.
What if...
Whitehurst starts the rest of the year, looks good, and Hasselbeck is signed to be the Charlie Batch of the Seahawks? Whitehurst gets hurt in week 2 of the preseason?
I could what-if you to death, but I could see us signing Matt as our veteran backup to someone and believe it was a good thing for the team. Just because we shouldn’t be building our team around Matt, doesn’t mean that he can’t be a valuable piece of the team as a backup. He might not accept that role, but under the “every position is up for competition” mantra, I could see us convincing Matt to sign with us again.
That would be Ideal
Matt would be an ideal vet backup. I would hate to see him get the Dave Krieg treatment.
He wins a super bowl.
He can start 2011 in my book.
Although it would be pretty ironic if we cut him after he won a super bowl. Then his transformation into Trent Dilfer would be complete.
That no longer worries me
I’ve seen enough of Carroll now. I’ve seen him grab free agents and then quickly release them. I’ve seen him cut players and re-sign them. I’ve seen him put his 2nd-round draft pick on the inactive list. I’ve seen him trade for players and release them within weeks.
In short: Carroll doesn’t give a shit about justifying what he did yesterday.
Also, I’m pretty sure that Carroll and Schneider understand the importance of the quarterback position. And I’m not too worried about them clinging to a marginally superior veteran at the expense of bringing in younger talent. Remember, these are the guys who spent a precious 2nd-round pick on Golden Tate and then cut Houshmandzadeh.
So the better Hasselbeck plays, the more options the they have. If Hasselbeck puts in an adequate season and gets a new contract, that won’t stop them from drafting a quarterback early. Or going after someone like Kolb with trades/free agency. Or both. And if that puts too many resources into quarterback, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them ditch Whitehurst if Whithehurst hasn’t shown more upside by the end of the season.
worse case scenario/sorry/I'm done. Wrong week to quit smoking glue.
by broadbill birdwatcher on Sep 30, 2010 5:28 PM PDT reply actions
Sniffing glue?
Or are you now on cold turkey?
Bandwagon leader for Michael Robinson as Seattle Seahawks starting QB.
I tried cold turkey at a party once
Next thing I knew i was waking up in a Canadian jail 3 days later
by SmartAssCoug on Oct 1, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I think something like this makes me realize
that a worst case scenario for most teams of losing their starting qb might not be such a worst case scenario for Seattle.
I’m still worried that Hasselbeck’s body is going to fail him, but at least if it happens, with the team showing a lot of potential – plugging in a backup qb doesn’t seem like it would automatically destroy our season like it could for a number of other teams in the NFL.
I would agree with this.
It’s interesting that while I want no part of Matt being benched I’m not worried about the sky falling if he gets hurt.
Okay.... I'm in.
by The Manchild on Sep 30, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Rhythm Quarterback
Matt is comming off a very bad year. He is in a new system and has a lot of new teamates. Maybe he will be able to establish a rhythem and be a very good option for 3 more years. Enough time to mentor next years pick for a year or two.
Or a two-year contract
that can be dropped without consequence after the first year.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 30, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems reasonable to me
He’s a guy that depends on familiarity within a system and with his teammates. He doesn’t have that yet, most likely.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 30, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You put into words one of the reasons I haven't been able to accept Matt's complete demise yet.
I can really imagine Matt having a good year for us with more familiarity. I was working during the Broncos game and couldn’t see it, so I stayed out of the arguments and reserved my judgement. But even in the Chargers game it was apparent he limits us in many ways that I am just used to because when I started watching football for real in high school, he was our QB then. I had nothing to compare to.
Our offense could be reduced to rubble with Whitehurst, but it certainly would have a higher ceiling. We have some real recieving talent downfield for the first time since I’ve been really understanding the game, I’m used to the Darrell Jackson, Bobby Engram, Itula Mili combination being our best, and with Whitehurst the Tate, Butler, Branch, Williams group would have a chance to really shine.
If Matt asked me to shoot Robert in the throat and stomp on a puppy I probably would.
That being said, I sort of wish he would retire right now, get hired on as our QB coach, coach our rookie QB next year, and then win the SB with us. Him winning the SB this season would of course be better.
by DJ C-Raig on Sep 30, 2010 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And after he has passed from this earth
the 12th Man flag should forever more be raised by a Chuck-E-Cheese style animatronic Matt “Hasselbot.”
Seahawks Fans Cannot Be Cured
by TheLaird on Sep 30, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Future QB?
Do we really need to draft somebody? Are there any free agents we can steal. I would rather have a quality qb who is ready to lead our offense beginning of next season, rather than wait 4 years or whatever for some rookie to be ready.
Quality QBs don't hit the market that often.
Partly due to positional scarcity and partly because if a solid QB is about to become a free agent, chances are really good their current team is going to franchise tag them.
You can find serviceable guys and every now and then a gem will show up, but I wouldn’t count on finding a quality QB through free agency.
Or given this FO's propensity to tinker....
…I also wouldn’t rule out a draft day type of trade.
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