19 Second Quarterback Draw for One to End the Half
by John Morgan on Sep 30, 2010 4:05 PM PDT
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Chris Spencer botched his block on a stretch left and Brandon Siler shot the gap and tackled Justin Forsett for a loss of one. That's no way to start a drive. Two plays later, it proved irrelevant.
- If Bill Walsh and I were contemporaries and I covered the 49ers, these notes sections would be incredibly boring*. Timing patterns run out of three step drops are bad television if efficient football, and when I'm note taking, I'm left writing "good timing" with a sketch of the route and the defender and the spacing, and little else. It's just "good timing," doodle, fast forward to the next play. So:
- Good timing, doodle.
- Good timing, doodle.
- (Navigate to the play-by-play section on NFL.com)
- (See Van Goghgurt ad. Wait for interminable load)
- One yard loss on stretch right. Luis Castillo schools Stacy Andrews, someone else is awarded the tackle.
- Mike Williams curls in front of Antoine Cason in the left flat, loses him on the redirect, breaks the tackle of Eric Weddle and drags Kevin Burnett five yards before Siler can pile on and complete the tackle.
- Force receives and wiggles, wiggles, shimmies, controls the dance floor, back and forth in front of Cason. Cason looks on. Steve Gregory and Shaun Phillips rally and tackle. Just run, Justin. Leave the Grind for the off-season.
- Pass rushers close on Hasselbeck (San Diego sends five) but Hasselbeck stays calm and finds John Carlson for nine.
- Brandon Lang walks back Ben Hamitlon, Hasselbeck retreats back and to his right, Phillips works around Sean Locklear, Andrews attempts to assist, but Matt's had enough and breaks the pocket right, allows Phillips a clean release and throws the ball away, sort of towards Williams.
- Then it's the big reception that ends in a fumble. Not much left to say about that.
Chargers ball.
- Pass rush line: Chris Clemons - Raheem Brock - Brandon Mebane - Dexter Davis: pressures Rivers into an incomplete pass.
- Lofa, sudden blitzing dynamo, Tatupu blitzes, Davis loops from left defensive end towards the left "B" gap and Seattle again forces a errant, incomplete pass through pressure.
- And again, this time on a six-man blitz. Three incomplete passes resulting in a three and out, and all three incomplete as a result of pressure.
Seahawks ball.
- Alfonso Boone breaks free of Spencer and Andrews and pressure Hasselbeck into an incomplete pass. Deon Butler was open on a crossing pattern.
- Chargers attempt that two defensive end, no tackle thing that's all the rage, Hasselbeck audibles out shotgun and into a run, and Forsett runs just as far as Spencer rides the interior linebacker desperately attempting to control the middle, nine yards. Yes, the NFL is a passing league. No, a defense can not work without a minimum amount of run-stopping ability. Take note, defensive coordinators.
- Seahawks break two tight ends, "I" formation with Butler alone on the right. Bates really seems to like this formation and personnel grouping. Hasselbeck targets Butler deep and Quentin Jammer commits textbook pass interference, body blocking Butler while making no apparent attempt at the ball. Butler, to his credit, still almost catches the pass.
- Hasselbeck hits Carlson on his right shoulder, the shoulder away from the defender, it's a hell of a pass is what I'm trying to say, and Carlson sorta kinda secures it for the touchdown. It's not conclusive one way or the other, but two defenders swat at it and the ball definitely appears to move.
Kam Chancellor stretches out one of his 33 inch meathooks and slaps the ball free from Darren Sproles.
- This is the drive that ends in failure.
- This drive started in failure.
- Matt overthrew, yes, overthrew a wide open John Carlson. I mean, not by a little. Carlson was open about five short of the end zone. The ball falls in the far-left corner of the end zone.
- Forsett motions into the backfield and then runs an arrow route that steals Eric Weddle's lunch money and nets Seattle 13 and the first.
- Golden Tate receives on a slant and, for whatever reason we will never know, somersaults for his final yard. He stands, ball in hands, as an official shouts at him to hand it over. Tate's progress stops with 29 seconds left on the game clock and Seattle snaps and clocks the football with 19 seconds remaining. Tate may be a knucklehead but he didn't cost Seattle points.
- Bates too clever by half quarterback draw does. Time runs out as Seattle scrambles to set and kick.
* and I would be an insufferable twat lording my team's success over all.
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Two things
1.) Carroll said the QB draw was his call and strangely enough I don’t think I buy it.
2.) If you’re at the 1 with no timeouts and you call a risky play like that you might as well go for the TD to end the half instead of wasting precious seconds getting your FG team on.
Pants on head retarded play but thankfully it didn’t cost us.
Bandwagon leader for Michael Robinson as Seattle Seahawks starting QB.
I read somewhere
that they decided to do a QB draw because Bates had had success with it against San Diego while with Denver. If it didn’t work, the backup plan was to kick the FG. Unfortunately, San Diego’s guys were holding down our guys so that we didn’t have enough time to get set for the FG.
Carroll also mentioned that he kind of gambled on this play (maybe to make a statement, either to our guys or theirs).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 30, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they also were thinking that there would be a measurement for the first down
and there wasn’t.
There probably should have been.
I think the refs screwed us
…because I didn’t see a call one way or another. They’re supposed to call it a 1st, a 4th, or a measurement.
They called it a first
You can see the ref motioning first down before spencer gets out of the scrum
Somewhere in here there's a totally stupid TO called right after the 2 minute warning
that is almost worst than the draw
twitter.com/b_dids Here, I am batman.
Had considered making a fanpost out of this, but don't feel it is necessary.
Carroll initially said it was his call, and the right call.
You guys can ask these questions about those kind of situations but sometimes it just comes from your gut that you just want go do this, or you want to do that. We had a good call, we practiced it, we liked it, and we felt that we would knock it in the end zone right there. We weren’t trying to get the first down, we were trying to score. I think it was a really good call, and it didn’t work. Unfortunately, that happened.
The News Tribune
That was Sunday. He changed his mind, and believes he made the wrong call now.
Carroll said his success at USC emboldened him at the end of the first half. The Trojans’ edge in talent was sometimes prohibitive, and if a gamble didn’t pay off, it wouldn’t be long before Carroll’s team had another chance. “We scored so many times and we were successful in situations when we were bold so much that you get accustomed to it,” Carroll said. “We need to take care of business better. I need to do a better job, and make sure that we get our points when we get our opportunities.”
It’s interesting to see how Carroll and the front office run things. Carroll has no problem taking risks, and absorbing the consequences of them. Same with the front office, with the trades, cuts, cut then re-sign.
Cutting Lendale White without even getting him to training camp instead of holding on and seeing if they can salvage their investment in him? Not easy for some who have more pride.
QB draw in that situation was a big-balls move, and while everyone knows that the downside lost Seattle three or seven points, I still love that we are not a conservatively run team anymore. There still are a handful of moves that I disagree with, but overall it has been a breath of fresh air to watch how they are remaking this football team, with none of my biggest fears being realized. I thought we would be Raiders north, instead we seem to be something far better than we dared hope.
I've noticed that too
It really gives me hope that nobody in the front office appears to have their ego tied up specifically in their transactions.
I wish there was some way to know how much of Lofa's play is a result of:
Norton Jr., Carlisle, and natural maturation. Mabe if we double click him a pie chart will pop up.
Yup
There’s a couple of fanshots on the subject.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 30, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, just one
Since I’m learning to abuse my power!
Muahahahah!
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 30, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I never see those until way after the fact.
I probably suck at using the site.
by twocolorcrayon on Sep 30, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahhh, halarious
Your post on Golden was golden. Yes I understand its old, but I don’t care.
Carroll is now wrong.
He was right the first time about running the draw (assuming he had reason to believe it was a higher percentage than a pass).
Carroll, or perhaps Bates, was wrong about the follow-up call— namely, the field goal attempt. What they should have done is called two plays in the huddle: The quarterback draw, and then another play (sneak, draw, run, pass, whatever) to run if they don’t get the touchdown on the draw. There was plenty of time (19 seconds) for the players on the field to run another play, but that 19 second time frame actually made the field goal attempt a worse percentage than a follow-up touchdown attempt (even disregarding the point difference).
They had 2 plays drawn up
If they didn’t run the draw, the plan was to kick the FG. That was decided before the play. The problem was that the refs didn’t stop the clock and the Chargers defense prevented by our guys from getting set for the next play by laying on top of them. That’s why you see Spencer running across the field late.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 1, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
So even if we wanted another pass or run play, we likely wouldn't be able to pull it off in time
Because their fat guys were laying on our fat guys.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 1, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That still doesn't make sense to me
They can’t run the field goal with extra linemen on the ground, and those guys aren’t going to roll off the field with DL’s on top of them.
So however long it takes the linemen to unpile and line up for another play, it will take longer for them to get completely off the field.
Out of curiosity obsession, I looked up all of the spikes in games from last weekend that were decided by a touchdown or less. Here are the times between the previous play and the initiation of the spike play:
Seahawks (vs Chargers)
:34 – :22 = 12 seconds (9 yards)
Chargers (vs Seahawks)
:48 – :30 = 18 seconds (25 yards)
Jets (vs Dolphins)
:35 – :18 = 17 seconds (5 yards)
Redskins (vs Rams)
:47 – :27 = 20 seconds (19 yards)
Saints (vs Falcons)
:36 – :18 = 18 seconds (9 yards)
All of these were pass plays, which put the offensive linemen 5-10 yards behind the [i]original[/i] line of scrimmage, and the WR’s as much as 40 yards downfield. Under those conditions, the average time between the previous play & the spike play is 17 seconds, which means you need ~18 seconds overall (adding a second for the spike itself).
Given that the draw was slightly faster than a pass play, [i]and[/i] the fact that the Seahawks are the most competent team on the list, [i]and[/i] the fact nobody would have to go as far, then beating that 18-second mark should be at least probable. Yes, there’s still a risk, but the risk of clock expiration is higher if you run off the field, and potential payoff is better.
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