How Many Former Seahawks Are Better Off without Seattle?
I can not remember an off-season in recent memory where Seattle has dropped so many players that signed with and became starters or major contributors on other teams. Perhaps the first big Holmgren purge in which Seattle moved Ahman Green, Pete Kendall, Joey Galloway and Sam Adams. That was spread over a couple years. This off-season is unprecedented in Seahawks history.
Housh has landed in Baltimore and he, Pistol and Redding are sure to have some stories to tell in the locker room. Ditto, Sims and Burly. Tapp can talk with Weaver while each ignore the press. Wallace is back with Papa Walrus and Grant is on his lonesome. That's a lot of still relevant talent to lose.
We tend to put our blinders on here and see the world exclusively in Silver and Blue, but with many once liked and a couple once loved Seahawks now playing for other teams, I can't help but wonder how many are better off now that they are away from Seattle. Maybe John Schneider is an unabashed altruist that just wants the best for all of his employees, future and former.
Rob Sims: Sims was a starter last year but his position was in doubt under Alex Gibbs. Had he survived the whirlwind of moves, maybe he would be a starter again, since Gibbs is now gone. Sims has started all four games for the Lions this preseason. He is signed to a one year contract and has yet to lock up an extension, but instead of bubbling discontent, Sims seems welcomed in Detroit. He is blocking in a younger, more talented offense and for a quarterback that actually bears some burden for his pass protection, and for a coach that is actually willing to pin some pass protection responsibility on the quarterback. After becoming the scapegoat for both Shaun Alexander and Matt Hasselbeck, that must feel good for Sims. A win for Sims.
Darryl Tapp: I never did see Tapp play too terribly much this preseason, but it would seem every Eagles beat reporter to a man can not find enough time in the day to criticize Tapp and speculate about his impending release. Well, he's on the 53 for now. Lo and behold, he is the listed starter at right defensive end. (That's likely a mistake.)
There is no telling how a player develops and maybe Tapp maxed out and is facing an early decline. He never was much of a tools goof. Still, I can not reconcile years of watching every play involving Tapp, watching him quietly excel, with the notion that after a single off-season and preseason he would be busted, for no apparent reason. The Eagles have all of six sacks this entire preseason, and only one by a starter, linebacker Akeem Jordan. This is a widely overhyped incomplete. Let the man play.
Deon Grant: Grant started all four preseason games for the Giants. According to the depth chart, he is behind Kenny Phillips for the starting strong safety position, but Phillips is recovering from microfracture knee surgery and the Giants are slowly working him back towards starting. His youth might save him, but microfracture is a hell of a procedure to recover from and the timetable is typically two years. Grant is valued depth on a team that needs safety depth, but many different circumstances could allow him to start. He certainly isn't better off unless he relishes smaller wages and being a backup, or just really enjoys New York.
Josh Wilson: Wilson is expected to start over the still healing and unfortunately named Lardarius Webb this Monday. He is pegged to play nickel, but word is he could earn a starting spot over Webb. That puts Wilson in the same predicament he has spent his career in. The Ravens are a much better team, and particularly a much better defense, and so Wilson should have a better opportunity to contribute. As of now, it's basically a push. Wilson has moved from being an overqualified nickel in Seattle to an overqualified nickel in Baltimore.
T.J. Houshmandzadeh: He's still getting paid. He will still demand targets. Life is probably pretty peachy in Taraj's world. This is a push.
Seneca Wallace: Still sucks.
Cory Redding: Redding appears to be the starting defensive end for a Ravens defense that lists one end, one tackle, one nose, one "RUSH", one WILL, one MIKE and one SAM. Yay for specialization. Better defense, better overall team, better scheme that does not rely on Redding to generate consistent pressure, and, as always, getting lots of good press, Redding is clearly better off without Seattle.
Nate Burleson: Burly had a breakout year a year removed from reconstructive knee surgery. To me, that is a very good sign from a talented receiver that never quite put it all together. Burleson became the very first player signed in free agency. His contract could earn Seattle a fourth-round pick through compensation. That's good, and so Seattle certainly is happy about that, and Burleson is probably pretty dang happy to be in Detroit too. After being the de facto number one in Seattle, Burleson is starting in Detroit but opposite freak of nature Calvin Johnson. It's been a good preseason for Burly and I'm sure he has no regrets.
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I think the first time you write something up beat about this season it will be too late.
I feel like I should put the metaphorical give up gun in my mouth. You’re most recent articles are just flat out down on life as a hawk fan in general.
I do not think you like criticism of any kind
Last season, you ardently defended Mora for months.
I have written tons of positive stuff about the Seahawks all throughout the off-season, but I do not agree with many of their moves. I am sorry you have come to expect bland coverage that shirks criticism, but that is not what I do.
by John Morgan on Sep 6, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
I can see this article coming off as a
Look at the people PC and the Schneid let go , they have it so much better. Especially with the angry atmosphere around here lately.
I don’t agree with him but I can see where he’s coming from.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
That was supposed to be an attempt at humor
It’s been a weird week and your article just seems to be feeding my panic about this team and so that came off the wrong way.
As for your unnecessary snipe about Mora I never defended Mora the football coach if you remember I argued with your assumption that he was a terrible person that must have only got his job because his daddy had an NFL career. You must have missed that part and assumed that I meant he was a good coach. However, it can be said now that I wish I’d not defended him at all because his media campaign after his firing spoke of all the things you seemed to point out about him earlier in the year. He was the worst kind of person that felt he was entitled to more than one year.
by Joshua Kasparek on Sep 6, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahem,
I think I like Mora now more than ever
Because he accepted whats true instead of trying to pump up the fans.The Seahawks aren’t a good football team, aren’t streaky aren’t absolutely awful, but now, based on what he finally admitted with honesty, I’m ready to buckle down with him. I’ll battle on the boards and if Ruskell gets canned, I’ll campaign for Mora to stay.
I have never said Mora is a terrible person that got his job because of his “daddy.” That is pure fabrication. I said he was a rotten coach that was predictable, practiced his players too hard and probably lost his team after calling them out publicly for being soft.
Well, looking through it
I did once say Mora was the product of nepotism, but that was after I had been extremely patient even supportive of him.
That post along with your "cough" does nothing to imply that I said he was a good coach
And if you read my original post and understood it I never said the only, nor did I insinuate that the entire off-season of articles was negative. I said your most recent. Again it was an attempt at sarcastic humor and everyone appears to have missed it.
Apparently that hit a nerve. Jesus fucking Christ! If you want to talk about not taking criticism look in the mirror. GOD DAMN!
by Joshua Kasparek on Sep 6, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He was just trying to make a joke initially
Which was then flung in his face. It is pretty annoying when that happens. Not sure why he didn’t just go “It was a joke, man” and then just left it at that.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 6, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I just feel like John is being reasonable in his tone, and is welcoming
I have no problem with him defending himself, just don’t understand why he is coming across as extremely angry.
To be honest, John pointed out a thread where he himself liked aspects of John Mora, and Krazyleggs didn’t say anything too terribly out of place. I have no idea what K said before or after that (I was in the desert, was barely on here) to make John say he “ardently defended Mora for months” but Krazy seems to be defending himself ardently right now against very little present evidence.
Because he thinks all I do is disagree with his criticism.
Technically that’s probably true. While I wasn’t trying to criticize him here and I made a poor attempt at humor, most of the time I choose not to post a comment when I agree with a thought or where I feel I can’t comment something of some sort of value. So most of the time I post when I have my own deeply held opinion and that has lead to a couple of conflicts with John in the past. His comment was a dig because he felt I was digging at him first. It was tit for tat I suppose but he mis-characterized my support for Mora to vaguely imply that I only ever fight his criticisms. Though I haven’t fought him on more than 3 or maybe 4 issues with only one of them having legs passed a few days.
by Joshua Kasparek on Sep 7, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
It's easy to call something a joke when it's been rebuffed.
When someone puts words in my mouth, I will argue with that. And stuff like:
I feel like I should put the metaphorical give up gun in my mouth. You’re most recent articles are just flat out down on life as a hawk fan in general.
And
As for your unnecessary snipe about Mora I never defended Mora the football coach if you remember I argued with your assumption that he was a terrible person that must have only got his job because his daddy had an NFL career
Mischaracterize what I wrote.
So you didn't think he was a good coach, but you loved him more than ever and would have campaigned for him to stay?
That’s either a contradiction or misplaced priorities.
You win John, it's clearly what you need
You’re snipe about Mora was unnecessary your attack that I don’t like criticism of any kind is slim and you’ve done nothing nor are you in my shoes to truly know my intention with that post. To finally clear up my defense of Mora good lord it’s kind of weird that you would assume that it’s something I argued simply because I dislike any criticism. I had many reasons feelings and personal emotions as it came to Mora, his background with the Seahawks and the Seattle area in general. I didn’t say to myself, “Oh God, John Criticized Mora.” That would be a strange reason to act on or post on a board unless you were a simple troll and maybe that’s the next dig you’ll make before banning me. I’m tired. I had made a poor joke because I wanted to lighten my own mood and now I’m being judged on my value to this board and you seem to imply that it’s pretty small. I apologize. I’ll go now.
by Joshua Kasparek on Sep 7, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
This article wasn't even really that negative.
It was just about the players Seattle has released/traded and seeing how they fit on their new team.
I thought it was pretty down the line, calling it as it is
Nowhere in this article did i see an indictment of the team, just a look at the players who’ve been let go. Seems neither positive or negative
I would bet they are for the most part, happy to see Seattle in the rear view mirror.
Wilson, Redding and TJ are on a Super Bowl contending (if not favorite) team. While Tapp and Grant are on playoff contending teams. A big upgrade for all, when compared with our forthcoming season. Burleson and Simms move to a team that appears to be going up, and I’m sure Nate is ecstatic to play opposite Calvin Johnson. And with Seneca, I don’t really care!
This team is letting go of talent, trying to get their guys, build up a team their own way
I don’t know were it’s going or if what they’re planning wi’ll work, but I hope it does. I really do. And I can’t wait for the games to start. We couldn’t be as bad as we were getting beat last year could we? We were pretty terrible last year.
I would not commit to saying I agree with the roster moves they have made.
But if they have a plan to blow up this team and start over. Why stretch it out over two or three years. Be bold, let the chips fall where they may, and pray to God it works.
We still have the same problem, and to their credit I think our FO recognize it. No franchise QB.
And I think they’ll do what it takes to find one. I never seemed like Ruskell really believed in such a thing, or was blinding expecting the best of Hasselbeck.
Not a lot of franchise quarterbacks in the bottom half of the first round
He had one shot and Stafford didn’t fall to him. I do not blame Ruskell for passing on Sanchez, though I know some do.
Finding a Franchise QB....
I hope they succeed. In some ways, it seems to me like finding a four leaf clover. A whole lot of clover but not many with four leafs.
Is it generally considered that this is a good QB year?
It seems like Luck, Mallett, Ponder, and Locker all really have what it takes.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Mallet and Luck should have an asterisk
Since (IIRC), both of them could still return to school after this year.
I would guess one or both are going to
Draft status will be better the year after. Especially Mallet who is the rawest.
If nothing else, it should be apparent that they have to make a move sometime soon.
There are opportunities to choose someone with the potential* to be a franchise QB coming up in 2011 and 2012. The “future” is something we still don’t really have at the position.
*Potential not necessarily a guarantee of actual returns, obviously.
He probably is the future for the next 2 to 3 years
It all assumes that Matt is gone after or during this year. Whitehurst buys whoever we draft a year plus to get ready.
Josh Wilson only a "push"?
I know that’s not part of his team/employment situation, but he seems pretty happy to be moving back home.
Also, he got to experience a massive outpouring of JW-love (in the form of P/QM-hate) from fans who learned he’d been traded.
Yeah, I'd say that JW is happier being back in Maryland
even if he’s still quasi-starter/nickleback in the team’s secondary….and on a better team to boot.
By the same token, one would assume that Burly had to be a little sad to leave home.
Certainly playing opposite Megatron eased the sting a bit, but Nate was loved here and knew it.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
I'd say any player that goes from a 5 win team....
To starting or getting minutes on a SB contender is better off.
This is pretty clearly a total rebuild now...
so yeah, the guys who will be fighting for a playoff spot can’t complain too loudly. The new members of the Seatroit Sealions have to be happy with their roles and expectations. I’m really happy for T.J. though. I think he’s a good guy, who has been a good receiver for a lot of year. Good for him and Pistol.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
"Unfortunately named" Lardarius Webb.
Makes me smile. Makes me think of Millard Fillmore who couldn’t ZBS worth a hoot.
by broadbill birdwatcher on Sep 6, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions
Your credibility is on the line, Mr. Morgan.
You fell in love with some mediocre talent and have had conniptions since they left – but what happens when the Seahawks prove they were better off without them? For every Leonard Weaver there are twice as many DJ Hacketts or Darrel Jacksons – players allowed to walk over the objections of an emotional fan base.
Turnover happens. Some players leave to have decent careers with other teams – most don’t. Big woop. What’s your point?
Trolling fail.
We’ve had some good trolls on this site. You just embarrass yourself with an effort like this. Pull your socks up, man.
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
You hypothesize the impossible
You fell in love with some mediocre talent and have had conniptions since they left – but what happens when the Seahawks prove they were better off without them?
They won’t prove it, because they can’t prove it. There is no control group, unless you subscribe to MWI and have some kind of Heisenberg-immune quantum-alternative selective observation device.
The 2010 Seahawks might be better than the 2009 team. That doesn’t prove that the 2010 Seahawks are better than they might have been with different player moves.
by Jason_D on Sep 6, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seconded
The Seahawks might succeed in spite of losing JW and TJ. Even though there are some moves I disagree with, I still believe this team is better than the version we rolled out last year, and we’ll finish with more wins. And I also think we’re even better with Wilson and Housh still in the fold (and Vickerson, too).
I agree with them to a point
Not that your credibility is on the line. But that we don’t know whether we are better or worse off after these moves.
You don't drop talent and become better for it
The Seahawks as a whole are a better team, in my opinion.
They are. They lost talent, but added BMW, cashed in two first round picks, Golden Tate, Leon Washington, a host of other small acquisitions that I have liked
Plus, Tatupu may be healthy, Trufant is, a lot of young players should develop—I do not think Seattle is better for losing the above, but losing the above does not offset the totality of the off-season.
Also, no more Jim Mora.
by John Morgan on Sep 6, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No one was really upset about losing D-jack and Hackett.
We were a bit suspect of trading D-Jack in the division, but had no issue with trading him for a 4th, especially with Branch on the team. We liked Hackett but he was injury prone and most likely a product of Holmgren’s system. Plus both those guys were a lot older than Tapp, Sims and Wilson.
Here? I honestly don't remember, I think we were ok with bringing Hackett back on a cheap deal when it was clear other teams didn't value him very much.
But I don’t remember anyone really being up in arms with Hackett leaving.
Obviously not everyone here has the same opinion, but I don't remember the community here being very upset about Hackett or Jackson.
I wasn't reading this site back then so I have no idea.
But I do remember in general there were many people who thought we were making a mistake in not bringing him back
I was happy for the Jacskon trade, which wasn't a common opinion then, and didn't really care about him going to the Niners, because I thought he was about done.
And only suggested Seattle sign Hackett to a one-year, incentive laden contract.
Homophone got me.
You’re a genius.
But I disagree with you overrating guys like Wilson, Tapp, and Sims while upbraiding the new regime for wanting players that fit their scheme. .
I am not a genius or I wouldn't write a football blog
I would debate uses for Bucky Balls in some well-paid think tank, rather than work 70 hour weeks for something like 20 cents an hour.
As for my credibility, my credibility is always on the line. Who the hell is “John Morgan?”
John Morgan is the best sports writer I have ever read
And, sadly, I have been reading sports columns for 30+ years…
by ThunderHawk on Sep 6, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But you're still wrong about these moves.
TJ is a good example of addition by subtraction in the short term. The field was too congested with his slow ass and limited route tree out there. Safety could cheat with impunity. Williams and Butler will at least theoretically provide a lot better spacing with their speed and RAC. Opens space for the running game too.
Wait a minute since when is Williams fast?
And how is losing TJ addition by subtraction? How is losing your best receiver and most reliable pair of hands addition by subtraction in the short term?
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I could not find 2009 stats
But Housh dropped all of 5 passes in his last year as a Bengal and had fewer drops than T.O, Ochocinco, Dallas Clark, and Hines Ward.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Yeah I don't think drops are an issue
But YAC and his declining speed could create some unneeded tension
He dropped 3 passes last year.
Stat is at the bottom of this page.
The only costly play I can think of for Housh was that fumble against Chicago. But I still think Wallace’s run out of bounds self sack and that horrible fumble reversal on the play by Hawthorne were just as costly, if not more so.
by Mind of no mind on Sep 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Wallace also threw an up-for-grabs interception deep in his own end zone
As well as another up-for-grabs one Housh somehow caught and saved the drive.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
That has to be up there with the all-time winnable games
That we had no idea how to win. Seneca…..Good luck in Cleveland buddy.
I thought I just explained this.
Williams can break tackles and definately has more speed than TJ. He is also not going to run 6 yard curls and fall down all the time ala TJ. Preseason showed a lot of what Williams can do and it was impressive. Sure it’s TBD whether it will carry over into the season, but I would rather an emerging big play guy than a slow washed up possession receiver.
We know who you are
You write for MMA Junkie.
You’re also a 51-year-old George Bush impersonator.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Oh, these are fun!
I’m a former “most wanted,” two politicians (one Canadian, one from Colorado) and a couple baseball guys (one Negro Leagues player and an AL president way back in the day).
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
Lets reach back some more
I remember both Mawae and Kendell leaving and regretting it. Think of Walt, Huch, Mawae and Kendell on the line. That would have been epic and unstopable.
Recent Moves
I don’t know as much as many people that read this blog do, but you don’t have to be a genius to see that cutting someone and still paying them full value is a reach (Housh). Then we overpaid for Whitehurst based on his experience. Then sending Josh Wilson away again for an lack of value. These things concern me, even though I can’t analyze offensive line play and defensive mis-alignments.
Encouraging signs are finding people who were done elsewhere (or everywhere else). The part that concerns me is that if you preach competition and then cut those that are better competitors what kind of message are you sending to your team?
It doesn't make much sense to us.
But it obviously makes sense to the people putting their plan in place. Whether we like it or not that is the way it is and we won’t know whether it is right for awhile.
Holmgren looks really really good in a suit and tie.
Lets get him back.
"SCANNING DEFENSES... EXPLOITING!"
No. Please no.
Besides once the Browns go 4-12 and Mangini gets fired he’ll be head coach.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Right
I would have figured we would have been given that last draft. Oh well bonus.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
This is like a house remodel
Some things just don’t fit. Some work on one thing at a time and try to spare sections of the house. Others choose to do a complete house renovation. Has anyone seen the blueprint on this team?
I think most people are worried that we blew up part of the foundation
Hopefully it was just the wrong type of foundation for the new building that we are getting.
Hopefully we aren’t building a shanty.
Singletary = Big Bad Wolf
Huffing and puffing coming our way on Sunday!
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Hopefully we won't find termites in the midst of the remodel
…or meth lab waste in the crawlspace. Or…
Actually, on a very speculative note, I am wondering if Pete has a blind spot but in a different way than Ruskell. It seemed as if Tim preferred high character, high motor 4-year starter guys to the detriment of team size, speed and athleticism. I am wondering if Pete’s foible is that he overvalues blind loyalty and buy-in to his program (e.g. why the hell are Jones and Terrill still on the roster? Neither one offers “starter-quality” in this league and both are on the decline, but both keep their heads down, work hard [and have avoided injury])
I think this is more like "Pimp My Ride."
Tear out the whole interior, put some crazy paint job on it, do it up with 22" wheels, 47 flatscreen TVs and a custom ocelot skin sofa with matching fridge, and present the transformed hoopty to its bewildered owner in two weeks flat. That’s what this management is doing.
by Bisquick McBob on Sep 6, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the house we are going to build
We need to focus on that. The ’I’m in’ stuff, etc. As a fan, I WANT TO SEE the the blueprint, but it’s guarded like a playbook. For the fans it’s evolving and hey, I’ll be there on Sunday at QWEST against the 49ers.
I'm preparing myself for a long season.
And the joy of watching some young(er) players show us what they have. I’m excited for the future of this team but “two steps forward, one step back” might be the theme of this season. We should have another hell of a draft class next year.
Red Bryant: surprise us!
As much as it feels like that, I think we'll see an improved product on the field.
The coaching just seems that much more intelligent.
Awesome writeup again John
Also Redding was definitely more of a 3-4 lineman. How about Lawrence Jackson? I think he’s in a perfect situation in Detroit. Not sure if he’s starting but could be a big part of that defense.
Hah
Forgot about him. I guess I don’t know what he’s up to. This seems to be the sum of it.
Better? Worse?
Same as it always has been with him
Is he going to show up week to week? If he decides to perform he will be fine, but then he will probably disappear for a while.
I can hear the locker room now:
Yo, Lard, how’s your ass? Lordy, Lard, you shoulda been a nose tackle.*
*jiffy reply courtesy of DayLateDotWhat?
by broadbill birdwatcher on Sep 7, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions
On Tapp/the Eagles:
(1) Tapp will not be starting, he will be a rotational DE. Brandon Graham, the Eagles first round draft pick, has been named the starter.
(2) The Eagles first teams on both sides of the ball only played about 6 quarters during the preseason. Don’t take too much from the sack numbers.
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