Notes for Week 1
Danny O'Neil reports that the Seahawks will start Forsett at RB, Gibson at LG, and either Polumbus or Pitts at LT. Holy shit.
According to Carroll, just because Forsett is starting doesn't mean he'll get the most carries.
From BMFMW - "Just finished practice.. SF game week is officially under way! 12th man, bring an extra pair of gloves. Gonna be a slugfest!!"
Sando has a list of notes from the VMAC. My favorite one is "Carroll said the massive roster changes of the last few days were part of the plan all along."
This just in, Golden has decided to buy an umbrella. What a pusscake.
Browns claim Vallos. You're welcome Mr. Flaming Walrus.
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Yikes.
Doesn’t say much for Okung’s week 1 chances if they’ve already penciled in Polumbus or Pitts at LT.
I wonder if they will scrap the ZBS all together
or wait until they bring in players that PC wants and restart it.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
Why does everyone keep saying this?
The guys they are bringing in are all ZBS guys, Carroll is a ZBS guy, Ruehl is a ZBS guy…
did you forget we are in seattle. fans complain. when things are good… complain… bad….complain. false information…. complain. championship……complain
Good grief, all you can do is complain about the subject line?
Every time you masturbate... God kills a kitten? Fuck kittens.
by Matt Erickson on Sep 7, 2010 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Someone should be telling people who don't do it.
For the blog to self-enforce rather than rely on a handful of mods to do it is good.
If he was being rude about it, that would be different.
If he has a decent year
Would it be wrong for me to make him my first WR jersey ever? ‘Cause he’s gaining on Golden in that race.
One of the better nicknames
that have been coined this year.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Bad Mother Fucker Mike Williams?
That’s what I see.
Yes, and that certainly grew as he grew in Detriot, Tennessee, and Oakland.
But after getting to 270 or 280 lbs, the big seems a little out of place now. Weird to include it.
by cashless on Sep 6, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Misfit's moniker feels a little redundant.
Big Mother Fucking Mike Williams is just a long version of BMW. Just an explanation on why my eyes read it differently. Whoever actually said it first, if they put words to it, that’s what it stands for.
A comment search reveals that to be John Morgan.
Shocking, I know.
I'm not sure. Major question marks about his work ethic, even Whitlock called him out.
Plus he doesn’t hold the laces. It shouldn’t but it weirds me out.
He spent the off-season partying
instead of studying the playbook.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Worth clicking on the link just to see the background.
I still can’t look at it without hearing the theme from Fash Gordon in my head. That was an epic fanpost, made even more awesome now that BMW is using the picture for his Twitter background.
Shit yeah...In his honor I should repost it.
I’ll wait for the next slow day…when it’s least expected.
hehe, sweet.
If he continues to shine throughout this season and gets his career back on track, he should seriously consider putting out a T-Shirt with just a solid outline of that play on front, kind of like the Air Jordan logo (obviously edit out the guy knealing in the background). I’d buy it for sure.
by Mind of no mind on Sep 6, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How long has it been a forgone conclusion that Okung would miss week 1?
I thought it was still up in the air. Is that not the case?
I'm surprised they're being so forthright about it.
Injury reports aren’t due until thursday, and they wouldn’t have to rule him as doubtful until friday.
I am fucking nervous
releasing your back up LT in favor of some guy they picked up a couple of days ago has the recipe for disaster. Niners have had a crazy camp so this also has the makings of one of those epic 2 horrible teams beating the shit out of each other matches
Who was our backup LT?
Wrotto, because he played 2 preseason games as a fill-in? He was a major liability. I’d rather cut him and say, “he did not meet our standard for a backup left tackle,” than say “we’re going with what we’ve got, even if it sucks and we have to gameplan around it.”
Wrotto was a terrible pass blocker at RG
Last preseason. He was the last guy I would have picked to fill in at RT. At least they didn’t play Line Shuffle this year.
Does this mean
Andrews at RT and Lock shipped away for table scrap considerations?
LT was gonna be ugly no matter what
We’re not much worse off than with Wrotto if at all. Really, what we’re saying here is that Baker and Polumbus/Pitts gets the start at LT.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Where on the line do the 49ers generate most of their sacks from?
Justin Smith is a capable sack guy considering he plays in a 3-4 defense (6 sacks last year), but he hasn’t had a sack against the Seahawks in his two seasons with the 49ers.
They love to blitz Patrick Willis, and while I do remember him getting some good pressures in, but he’s another guy who has never registered a sack against the Seahawks.
My hope is that the 49ers rely on blitz packages that put more stress on our RB’s than they do on our green tackles.
My guess is that Lawson will give us the most problems. Who will he be matched up with the most?
I'm sure Hasselbeck won't call his own number in the red zone this year.
For a second there I thought Willis had killed him.
Answered my own question:
Here’s a nice youtube mix of the 49ers defense making life miserable for QB’s in 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb6GX0fEc34
Pass rush from the 49ers
will likely come from the OLBs on the left side of the offense. Brooks, LaBoy and to some extent Briggs.
Lawson might bring some heat this year but he’s too tall to get good leverage on a lineman (something like 6’5 or 6’6).
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
I forsee a lot of spread formations, draws, and screens (both of the RB and TE variety).
Otherwise Charlie’s trip to Candy Mountain will begin a little ahead of schedule.
...and the usual press coverage, CBs jumping short routes, and opposing D sniffing out screens
It will be great some day to have a line that can give the QB 3 seconds, as well as a vertical passing game. Won’t happen soon, but maybe next year. I am just praying for no serious injuries this coming game…
"An umbrella?", the cashier scoffed
She followed with, “Would you like to add a pair of bitch-baby rainboots with that?” before chasing Golden out of the store with a broom.
by boytruck on Sep 6, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Give him a break
I don’t like soggy maple bars, either.
by elliottmew on Sep 7, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
What's up with Locklear?
Just yesterday he was supposedly going to be cut. Is he still the starter at RT? Andrews? I’m confused.
Seahawks are trying to trade Locklear
My guess is he might even make it to the Niner game. After that Leroy Hill is added back onto the 53-man roster, and he might just take Lock’s spot.
My guess Locklear has more than a week to get traded before the Seahawks cut him outright….unless he plays well this Sunday. With Okung already ruled out for the first game, PC might not want to be too thin at OT.
What annoys me
Is how this FO seems to be telegraphing moves. I understand it’s difficult to actively trade a player for a decent return, but everyone in the league knew we were going to cut Housh, and now everyone knows we’re likely to cut Locklear. I’d be very suprised if we got anything for him.
by Mickapeckalin on Sep 7, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the Seahawks actually announced Locklear was on his way out
I believe whenever a team tries hard to trade someone that that info gets leaked….it would be nice if this stuff doesn’t get out. Q/PM may just do a real lousy job of keeping such things clandestine.
Perhaps?
This Sunday’s game is an audition for Locklear to keep his job. With the additions of Andrews and Polumbus, and the return of Okung (hopefully week 2), combined with Locklear’s recent poor play, and all of the cuts, I have to believe he is skating thin ice.
Or maybe an audition for a new job
Maybe if he plays this Sunday and plays well, it could generate some interest from other teams?
Lolella...err Lolumbrella.
Can we as a blog follow the twitter-verse more often? Hilarity too often ensues.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I'm really starting to dislike Schneider.
“The most exciting part of it is if you have a coach and a coaching staff that is willing to move forward and teach and put in the extra time to get new players ready, it can be an extremely exciting period to add players,” Schneider, the Seahawks general manager said on Monday. “This is not something we’re trying to patch. We’re trying to build. It’s not like a rebuilding thing, it’s not like a patching thing. It’s a continuously building this thing as we go.”
I wonder if he wiped the bullshit off of the mic when he was done talking?
Ugh that's awful....
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Building Blocks
It sucks to see some of the familiar faces go, but a full housh cleaning is what this team needed. This year will be tough on the fan to be sure, but it would have been tough anyways even with the familiar faces. I think we gotta believe in what these guys are building and see what they can do next season or the season after this.
by Seahawk MyQ on Sep 6, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Housh cleaning.
One of the better Freudian slips I’ve seen in a while.
OH. MY.
“scratch the patch… you feel me? There is no patching happening here guys.
Not a patching thing. Not rebuilding thing. Not a make-senseing thing either…. you dig?
What we got going here is a full blown, outright continuously building thing going down… ok?… actually it’s a west coast continuously building thingy-ma-bob….. WCCBT !!
Feel the build.
Scratch the patch.
Do I make myself clear?
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
PS: Screen name isn't what you think it means.
To be fair
that is unequivocal BS. But in his defense you can’t be a GM or the spokesperson for a pro sports franchise and get on a mic and say “sorry bro’s, but ummm we’re rebuilding so the team is gonna suck for the next 16 weeks… hollah!” And in the words of That don’t put asses in seats.
I feel the key thing Mora did wrong (and maybe the first thing Mora did wrong as head coach) was assume that the roster he inherited was not in shambles, and did not need extensive resturcturing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
by jubelthebear on Sep 7, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
in the words of
*a very accomplished artistic director of an off-Broadway performance ensemble “That don’t put asses in seats”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
by jubelthebear on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it possible to just have a thread on...
making all this make sense? Somehow?
"SCANNING DEFENSES... EXPLOITING!"
Yes.
Midway through the season, or after the season is over, or in one calender year. It’s going to take some time for it to make sense.
My best guess is that if someone is not in the long term plans, they are being moved to get a draft pick, cut to make room for people who are in the long term plans, or sticking around to keep a competitive team on the field and “mentor” the young players. Hasselbeck, Milloy, and Hamilton seem to fall in group three. TJ and Grant group two, some young players that seemed like they could be good in the future in group one.
That’s a really rough, imperfect, and possibly mistaken view, I can’t think of a better one yet. Hoping time helps it make more sense.
Mike Williams is #17 now
http://twitter.com/dannyoneil/status/23188685573
"SCANNING DEFENSES... EXPLOITING!"
It was announced he'd be cut.
He decided to cut his salary to stay on the team.
Perhaps it's just me, but I'm kinda happy they're sitting Okung
Always Compete and all that, but Okung is one hell of an investment, one we need to protect. Hasselbeck getting beaten to pulp behind that line sucks, but it’s not really an investment for the future anymore.
Off Topic: Does anyone know
How many 4th round picks we got? If Burly performs well and if Wilson starts that’s 2. I also heard we are getting a 4th comp from Morey retiring. Not sure if this is correct, I would like someone to explain a little more. The way I see it we will have 4 4th rounders…..I think.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Sep 6, 2010 10:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
We didn't lose Wilson, we traded him.
Had we KEPT him this year, then lost him in FA, that might have been another story. I think. Though maybe he was a restricted FA, not sure.
For Wilson
We traded him for a fifth and if he starts it could become a 4th. I’m hoping it turns into a 4th.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Sep 6, 2010 10:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Compensatory picks are determined by comparing all the players we signed to all the players who left via free agency
We don’t get specific draft picks for specific players….in any case I don’t think we’re going to get 2 comp picks (outside the 7th round, that is).
Right now we have one 4th rounder, and we might get two depending on what Baltimore does with Josh Wilson….comp picks won’t be decided until well after the season is over.
Yes, one we used during the draft.
Pretty sure we used our own 4th to move down a few spots in the Titans trade, and then picked Thurmond, while we used the Eagles pick to draft EJ Wilson.
Tapp was traded; he wasn't a free agent
The Eagles sent us their 4th rounder (with Clemons); compensatory picks have nothing to do with trades.
Morey's retiring doesn't give us anything, it just means his contract/playing time won't be subtracted from Burley's
Burley is a FA lost, Morey was a FA signed.
But it’s pretty hard to predict comp picks. Burley has a decent contract so that might put us in range for a 4th, but we really won’t know until the next off-season.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 6, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
4th round 2011
If Josh Wilson plays alot we get a low fourth rounder…I believe we get a fourth from the net effect of burleson…we may have three fourths…we have no third (whitehurst)…no seventh…and I believe an xtra 6th from Seneca
by Davis Hsu on Sep 6, 2010 11:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL why would we get a comp pick for Morey?
He was just some special teams scrub.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 7, 2010 4:31 AM PDT up reply actions
John kept bringing up us losing a comp pick for signing and retaining Morey.
Especially if he made the pro bowl this season as a special teamer, and with his reputation he could undeservedly make it. His retirement kept that very low possibility from even having a chance of coming to fruition, but no we couldn’t “earn” a comp pick for him unless he had finished a contract with us. He didn’t even get one started really.
Another guy John’s been putting in that boat is Pitts. If Pitts stays a backup, it’s hard to imagine that he’s going to factor into that either.
Something tells me that we're keeping JJ around, in part, for his pass-blocking skills
I also imagine that we’re going to run a lot of 2 TE sets, with Baker/McCoy helping out the LT, be it Polumbus or Pitts. With Schmitt gone that probably also means we’re primarily going to take the field with 2 TEs, 2 WRs and one RB….and it would be a good idea if that RB could help block and catch passes.
Forsett will start and Washington will probably get nearly as many carries, but it would not surprise me if JJ sees a lot of action this Sunday, especially if we’re playing behind.
So you're saying we're going to see a lot of JJ
but it would not surprise me if JJ sees a lot of action this Sunday, especially if we’re playing behind.
by biggiestylez on Sep 6, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Both Forsett and Washington are excellent in pass protection.
JJ won’t sniff the field.
If that's the case, then why the fuck did PC keep him around?
Other than being slightly bigger than Leon and Justin, I’m not sure what Jones adds that those other two don’t. Other than a history of actually starting games….but the moves this team has made recently tells me that’s not really all that important anymore.
It almost seems arbitrary which veterans are getting cut and which veterans are sticking around. I’m just trying my best to make some sense out of all of this.
Probably because we didn't win any waivers for backs who could replace him.
Jones is clearly #3, or perhaps behind Ganther even. But if he’s willing to get paid a scrub’s salary to stick with the team, he’s worth having around until we can replace him.
I imagine it was a combination of things
1. Most importantly he had zero trade value 2. JJ realized this and took a paycut to stay on a roster 3. JJ never questioned Papa Pete’s Win Foreverererererer motto. 4. Even though he has a lack of talent he has a good work ethic.
Since he caused no detriment to the philosophy he was allowed to stay…. for now. Wilson got us a pick and TJ was never “All In”. I imagine JJ is hanging onto this roster by a thread and is the next to go if some new shiny toy is acquired.
Think is, JJ doesn't completely lack talent.
So we’d likely be downgrading to let Michael Robinson run, or Chris Henry run, if Washington is tired from a big KR and Forsett is banged up. All it takes is one even minor injury to see JJ, and he’s still a pretty skilled back in a lot of ways.
I beieve Robinson was signed to play Special Teams
And hopefully that means Washington won’t be returning that many kicks now.
Robinson was surely signed for special teams, and his versatility.
But without JJ, we’re that much closer to him running the ball.
Robinson is not a KR, Golden Tate is one of the better candidates to replace Washington though, but Washington was a pro bowler and is a very good KR. I expect Washington to keep that job.
I'd have to go back and watch some video from last year
but it’s my recollection that Forsett is not excellent in pass protection. Gives it his all, sure, but that doesn’t make up for the size disadvantage he’s often at.
He wasn't completely polished, but he was pretty good for his experience level.
But JJ would still be better.
admittedly, I normally try to see the bright side in everything... but
Wow… fuck.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
PS: Screen name isn't what you think it means.
I was hoping we would sign him after week 1
You know, to save some cash in a capless season…
Vickerson wasn't a starter, so I don't understand the question
Our starting four are Clemons, Cole, Mebane and Bryant, before and after the trade.
Cole was getting challenged by Vickerson for the starting spot. Oh, how I wish he had it.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like roster is complete
Well… as complete as it will get for now. Any predictions on how this new unit will do this season?
I say we will finish 8-8, with some strong displays of offense, until Matt inevitably gets injured. I think Mike Williams is going to explode and be one of the few bright spots on this team. Defense looks like it is going to struggle up front and of course who ever is matched up with Kelly Jennings is going to have a great day receiving.
I don't see how we're going to put up many points with this line.
It seems unlikely that Polumbus or Andrews will be any better than Locklear, Gibson is still pretty new at this, and Okung is still out indefinitely. Just think if Spence gets injured again. Not to be a negative nancy but…I’m just trying to be honest with myself here.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Oh and Unger isn't improving.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
fair enough
but I think Bates will find a way to field a competent offense. If Hasselbeck is healthy past week 2 then I can’t see anything but improvement.
by Hancock.Brett on Sep 7, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd agree.
I think we’ll start slow (due to the sheer number of changes, most notably dumping our #1 receiver and #2/3 CB in camp)
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Bleh. Pre-maturely clicked "POST"
Our offense and defense will change slightly due to the fact we’ll have players missing, that were key contributors in camp and pre-season, and new players that have practiced with us as little as two weeks playing key positions (offensive tackle, etc).
I think we’ll start off slow and rough, but as new players grasp the scheme, people return from injury, things should smooth out.
I’m hoping Okung doesn’t miss more than this game.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
The problem is starting slow can hurt morale quite a bit
And with our lack of depth I can’t see us surviving too many injuries. I still think our offense will be okay (late teens perhaps?) but I can’t see this unit being a plus with the personnel we’re currently fielding.
I kind of expect us to look better the first 6 weeks
and get figured out & fade the rest of the way.
I'm hoping for part of the record to be 5 or less.
5-11, 4-12, 12-4, 14-2, as long as one number is low I’m happy.
7-9 or 8-8, sorry.
But I also expect the defensive play calling to be quite different than preseason. It’s the one remaining wild card, to me, that could make the team good.
SF is undoubtedly a better team, and are more likely to win. But this first game is a pretty exciting matchup. I can see how we could beat them.
You know, I really did think we had a shot at a week 1 win
And I haven’t reversed that opinion, but I’m a bit more skeptical. It’s due in part mostly due to the changes made in the past week.
We have new guys that have been on the team for 1-2 weeks (at key positions like offensive tackle) expected to start, we’re now missing what was our #1 receiver, we’re down a VERY talented nickel/cornerback with no one of equal skill/experience to backfill him, we’re still working on this whole Leo thing, etc.
I think these changes will cause kinks to rear their pretty faces week 1. Although I’m confident they’ll be ironed out over the course of the season, it’s very likely they’ll cause us to lose week 1. But that’s OK. In the long run, it really doesn’t matter.
I just wanna see our guys come out swinging, give it a good fight, and make progress. And if it culminates into a win, I’ll be a very happy 12.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
I think most of those factors are diminished within this matchup with SF though.
At tackle, we simply have to go with a very makeshift alternative, and Justin Smith and Lawson will get the Jared Allen chip treatment. Pressure will still come. I think Bates’ offense is more adept, inherently, at performing against pressure.
49ers want to run a lot and I don’t expect them to be in a lot of long 3rd down situations. So the impact of the dropoff at nickel is diminished.
Our pressure, well, they’re starting some rookies on the line, but otherwise there’s not a lot to be encouraged about there. I expect it to be an issue. But: Alex Smith. They aren’t adept at or dead set on attacking that weakness.
Smith also hides their other notable weakness, which is pass defense. I kind of expect our offense to look like the good showings of the preseason: start out slow, poor running game, able to move the chains through small handfuls of big passes.
I see the difference between the two teams as substantial: they’re quite good, and we hope we aren’t quite bad. But this matchup, this week, this venue, it feels rather evenly matched to me.
I don't see them picking up much more than a game from last year.
They were really bad last season, they could show noticable improvement and not actually win more games.
We were three plays away from an 11 win season last year
Delanie Walker mugging on 4th and inches in Seattle (or you could pick Frank Gore’s fumble inside the 20 or the fumble on the stupid punt reverse), Brett Favre’s miracle pass to Logan Payne where Mark Roman couldn’t bother to push him out of the end zone, and a halfback pass in Indy (we held Peyton Manning scoreless fer crying out loud).
Our secondary has improved, and the weakest spot on our offense has improved dramatically.
If we don’t win at least 10 games this year I’ll be shocked.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
10 games?
That is a helluva optimism Kool-aid you’re drinking, and I want some of that
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd give us
7 wins at best. I’m leaning towards 4 or 5 wins, right now. I think the difference between this year and last is that we will be more competitive in games, but I also think there has been too much turnover on the roster for us to do much better than the last couple of years.
I do think we will see improvement, though, and in another year or two be set to do some great things.
Knock on wood.
Seems like the hawks are big on bringing in guys rehabbing from injury. It will be interesting to see how that works for ’em.
Damn, beat me to it
I saw the same tweet and yeah, it seems like a “goodbye” tweet
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 7, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
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