A Few Snaps with Junior Siavii
by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 PM PDT
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PrintLet's get this right out of the way: Junior Siavii is not Colin Cole.
Despite playing in a 4-3, Cole is a two-gap style lineman. He controls rather than penetrates and if he has an asset, it's his ability to shed blocks and tackle even while being driven back. It's not pretty, and, in total, it's probably not even very beneficial, but Cole controls. He is a big man with lots of upper body strength.
Siavii backed up Jay Ratliff, and so though he played in a 3-4, he is a one-gap style lineman. He has good initial quickness and is able to plug through that quickness. When Siavii gets a good jump, he can win leverage and hold ground against a double team by being slippery, quick and hard to block. Despite his height, he gets low and powers up and into blockers.
Siavii does not have the leg drive to bull rush. He has active hands and does a good job of disengaging, negotiating a blocker and, sometimes, cutting through and into the backfield. Cole struggles with being blown back. Siavii will struggle with being moved laterally and away from the ball carrier.
I do not see Siavii as an anchor. He is more of a 3-4 end type. Siavii carries his weight in his limbs and through his wide frame. Cole is barrel chested. Cole is the traditional "big man." Blocking Cole is like moving a blocking sled; blocking Siavii is like wrestling an octopus. Cole is rarely knocked out of the play entirely. Siavii will be. At the same time, Siavii is probably superior to Cole at holding against a single block and getting a hand on a passing rusher.
This is a decent acquisition. I would prefer Seattle to have moved E.J. Wilson to the practice squad, if possible, retained Vickerson and had Siavii rotate with Bryant. I do not think Siavii is better than Vickerson or a better fit at nose, and when he generates pass rush, it will be through his own efforts rather than collapsing the pocket like most nose tackles do, like Vickerson does. It will be hot and cold.
So, I am not happy about losing Vickerson, and do not think Siavii replaces Vickerson, but I do think Siavii is a good player and can contribute.
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I'm disappointed we didn't sign the twinkie.
He looks like he could be a dirt-bag who could control the line of scrimmage by just standing there. Nobody’s running through that thing.
Good stuff
Still can’t like it because, well, it’s a 31-year old player who spent years struggling with a bum knee. Kinda…y’know.
Seems counter to the get younger philosophy.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
by Nick Andron on Sep 7, 2010 2:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Holy crap he's 31? That went by fast.
Re: your point, I’ve seen this sentiment elsewhere, but I can see a team “get younger” by bringing in younger talent, keeping what is worth hanging onto — even at the expense of moving veterans who could contribute — and then augmenting the younger players with veterans to address concerns and holes.
I suppose that makes the most sense.
You gotta win, after all!
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Was this a move to replace what Terrill is instead of replacing Vickerson?
I don’t know but I would imagine from what you wrote he’s more of a Terrill replacement. Didn’t Cole and Mebane alternate at nose or did I miss something during preseason.
It was mostly Vickerson and Cole.
You’re right though, Siavii makes a certain amount of sense as an under tackle in a hybrid 3-4/4-3.
Do you have a thought on what the starting D-line will be? It's like I read this article and now I have no idea where to plug in a starter.
by Joshua Kasparek on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Will Siavii often be doubled?
I can’t imagine he will, considering his proximity to an oft double/triple-teamed Mebane.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
by Nick Andron on Sep 7, 2010 2:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Helps, eh.
I had a passage in there about how essential Mebane is to keeping double teams off Cole and Siavii, but I took it out because the Mebane love becomes a little much even for me.
So if Mebane's taking the double teams, do you think Siavii could be more effective than Cole while being single blocked?
Or is it mostly a push?
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Under Tackle - 3 Technique Rotations 1st & 2nd and 3rd Down
Let’s see if I got this right, Under Tackle, is the 1 and that is Colin Cole, with Depth being Siavii, 3 Technique is Mebane with Depth being Kentwan Balmer. Who will be the 3rd down rushing tackles? Will it be Mebane and Savii, or Mebane Balmer? I think we cut Vickerson because we just couldn’t comprehend a big tall vicious bigman in the middle of our defensive line, as if he blew the FOs mind.
by Christopher M Olson on Sep 7, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions
If nothing else
this blog has taught me a lot about the dynamics of football terminology.
Thank You Sir!
I wanted to add I just joined up here a couple weeks ago, and think this is by far the best Seahawks Community.
by Christopher M Olson on Sep 7, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome friend!
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Three tech is not a position designation in this system.
Under Mora, Mebane was often playing on the strong side over the three “gap.” With Carroll, he will play on the same side as the Leo, but could play over a lot of gaps, including the one.
The official depth chart switches the backups around
But I’m think that can’t be right. Or maybe both are supposed to be flexible in positioning as depth.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 7, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Speculation
I have no reason to believe this other than how much Vickerson was held out of practice but I think he has a chronic injury that has been nagging him, I dont understand letting him go if he did not…
Fly Leon! Fly!
by BleedGreenandBlue on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
There has been a lot of speculation about a "chronic injury" that I had never heard about until he was cut.
But it’s definitely a ubiquitous idea. So I asked Danny O’Neil during his chat today. He said there was an injury concern, butit sounded vague and also speculative. Maybe we’re trying to convince ourselves there was a logical reason.
Maybe he was just a negative, angry individual, or had a drinking problem.
You sometimes wonder if it’s just as simple as the guy wasn’t likable or had “problems” and they were not willing to put up with it despite his talent and ability.
by Christopher M Olson on Sep 7, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Gap Control
What is the specific gap responsibilities of each tackle? Can they shoot gaps, or is it more read and react?
by Christopher M Olson on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM PDT reply actions
Depends on the play.
Cole has played some nose and some 1-tech. Mebane plays some 1-tech and some 3-tech.
3rd Down Unit & Blocked passes
Do we know who will be in on passing/3rd downs? I count 4 guys over 6’ 4", are they coaching or talking about getting a hand up and trying to bat down passes? I really can’t remember that being in a Seahawks toolbox of skills, so that would be great if we aren’t able to get the necessary pass rush.
by Christopher M Olson on Sep 7, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
I saw them do pass-tipping drills in camp
So it’s certainly possible that it could happen more often this year.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Agree whole heartedly with your synopsis
Vickerson was the Hawk I most wanted to watch this year. Oh well.
It is what it is...
huge 'Boys fan here
Siavii is a solid player I def think yoi will be pleased
if not for being behind a All Pro NT in Jay Ratliff he could of started in Dallas
He isnt a pass rusher but he great against the run and is all over the ball
in a 4-3 he might be a DE or DT not sure where Carroll will work him
but best of luck Siavii and you guys will ejnoy him a hard working player that is passionate
we had a rookie we got in the supplemental draft that is 23 can be 2 times the player Siavii could ever be since he is already 31 i will take the younger guy every time almost and Josh Brent who is replacing Siavii is gonna be a good player
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