Seahawks part with Terrill, bring back Babineaux
Is Craig Terrill on the out?
EDIT: word is that Terrill is indeed out, and Jordan Babineaux is back in (thanks ErictheHawksFan). If this is a one-for-one switch, why didn't we just cut Terrill initially?
EDIT: it is a one-year deal, according to Danny O'Neil
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Unger was asked last year who the toughest DL on the team was to go against
And he said Terrill because of his vet savvy and diversity of moves. I think Unger’s resultant slow progression/development says it all.
by Groundhog on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've been reading comments for the last few days. This is by far my favorite.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Sep 7, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If we could find a guy to be that big ol' bastard that would command double teams
I’d be all for this. Of course by this I mean if we can get an upgrade then yeah, for sure.
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Off topic
But found your videos on YouTube. I believe I’m subscribed to you now,so jeep putting out those Hawk vids. Great work. I agree with you on the upgrade too, it’s needed.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Sep 7, 2010 4:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Holy damn I didn't even speak English there.
YES!!
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Gut Punch
I am not excited by this
Fly Leon! Fly!
by BleedGreenandBlue on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Babs doesn't suck
And who knows he’ll probably recover a game-winning fumble.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
For a time, Terrill was a bigger playmaker than Babs.
I think in both places it was a scattering of luck rewarding diligence.
What did Terrill do?
The fumble recovery for a TD against San Fran in ’08?
Craig was useless in our rotation.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
You don't remember?
I don’t remember. But fumbles, sacks, stops, even an INT once, I think, at needed times. For a couple years he had impeccable timing.
Those days are gone.
He’s crossed the dreaded 30-yo line.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
I seem to also recall a blocked field goal or two...
He had a knack for knifing in there and getting a paw up
Terrill--You wait. We are going to miss him.
Terrill was without a doubt the smartest player on the line. Never out of position, great spin move and the best past rusher we had. Yes, we will miss him.
For every big play people see
they overlooked him giving up a big play. He is an oportunist who I just want to see hustle on kick offs not in any rotation even at nickle.
Fly Leon! Fly!
by BleedGreenandBlue on Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Babs is god awful in run support
But he’s not terrible at pass coverage.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Matty H is going to be pissed
he’s lost a good buddy in the locker room…
Matty H should have no further illusions to job security
He has about as much as Terrill did
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 7, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I am sure that he realized this some time ago
He’s a smart guy – I wonder though – with his mug plastered all over the ‘company’ marketing gear, if this move is off limits for now…
Not happening..
There’s absolutely no way this happens. Every reporter and coach has Hass having the best offseason on the team by a long shot. Charlie was brought in to start immediately in case something goes wrong.
As a wise man once said “It’s ALL part of the PLAN.”
Ka-Kaaa!
No
It wouldn’t, as not cutting Hasselbeck wouldn’t have cap implications for 2011.
There were cap implications for Housh
Seattle saved a $1.2 million accelerator by cutting him now instead of one year from now.
Theres no cap this year.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 7, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
So we cut him on the gamble that there will even be football next year?
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 7, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
There could very well not be football next year
Which makes me sick. But you have to operate as if there will be, and when there is it will be with a cap.
Exactly right.
Cutting your #1 receiver is the exactly the same thing as cutting your veteran, starting QB.
/sarcasm
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Not sure I understand the sarcasm.
Cutting Hass gives Whitehurst more of a chance to play . . . much like letting the the BMW, Tate, and Butler more playing time.
It appears to me that this season is going to be one extended training camp.
Not to mention, declining or not, the dude is the face of the franchise.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 8, 2010 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Not saying it's going to happen this week
But he may very well lose his job later in the year if things go south, and unless he has an All-Pro year, this will be his last year in Seattle. You can pretty much count on it.
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 7, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's his last year on his contract
I believe. My fear is he has a good year and then get resigned. We need a QB of the future and Matt is just going to postpone in. I would like him to retire as a Hawk after this year.
by PhoneHomeET29 on Sep 7, 2010 4:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Matt Hasselbeck is NOT getting cut this season
He might get BENCHED for Whitehurst at some point, but he’ll remain on the roster.
What, do you think Carroll will only go with one QB on the roster? I don’t think even he is that crazy.
He wasn't like...appallingly bad.
But bad and unlikeable enough for many that you want to see him replaced by someone with more upside.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
He just begged other teams to run through him.
Just ask Frank Gore and his two long TDs.
Babs is back!
Is it true? Glad we held on to him, as he is one of my favorite Hawks (solely based on the botched-snap).
Ka-Kaaa!
Kelly Herndon's 76 yard interception return in the Superbow says Hi
I did love that Romo tackle though
Gah, I hated that shrimpy bastard
That was a hellified return, but remember the nexy year when he attempted to sack Alex Smith and bounced off of his chest? Embarrassing.
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone getting fooled on the bootleg that night was the most embarrassing thing
I’ve seen a team do.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Yeah, I put that right up there for sure
but to hit a guy square in the chest and bounce off of him, allowing him to hit his RB for a TD, and you’re supposed to be a professional defensive athlete is just god damned embarrassing.
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 7, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was one of the few people who had power that night
And I think I turned the game off after we couldn’t get 4th and 1 the next drive.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Let's not forget..
It was Alex Smith. It would be one thing if it were a QB that commanded respect in the league or had a bigger build. But Smith?!? That guy is used to getting whip-lashed by opposing D-linemen on the regular…
Ka-Kaaa!
Herndon was a bad player, no doubt but...
NFL Record breaking interception return in Seahawks only Superbowl appearance is pretty fucking big.
As for that Alex Smith play, I’d completely forgotten about it. Gah, that was awful!
But that ‘06 season had some really grim defensive moments. The worst for me was how they had the AFC leading San Diego Chargers on the ropes and let them score a TD with about 30 seconds left in the game. Then there was Jay Cutler’s first NFL game and how we let the Broncos back in the game with a comedy-of-errors series of broken tackles that gave the Broncos a go-ahead TD. Herndon might have been involved in either (or both) of those plays. But so could have Babineux (and Hamlin).
Of course, ‘06 also gave us the Tony Romo botched snap season-saving Babineaux tackle. But that might not have even been the best play of that quarter. There was that incredible play that started with Kelly Jennings stripping the ball from Terry Glenn, super-human efforts by Lofa and Julian Peterson to keep the ball in play and ultimately ending up a safety. And don’t forget Lofa stopping Jason Witten cold a yard short of a first down. Good times…
I always think "damn you Boulware" for that Chargers game.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Boulware! I knew I was forgetting a name
I think I’ll be happier in my life if I continue forgetting about the suck that was Michael Boulware (and the rest of the ’06 secondary for that matter)
The Botched Snap may have not been the biggest play...
but easily the most memorable and most entertaining considering th opponent and Romo’s reaction at the end of the game.
OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!
I think Greg Ellis was constantly listed as questionable with a sore vagina while he was with the Cowboys
but I have to hand it to Alex on that play.
by jacobstevens on Sep 7, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, plus Greg Ellis always looked like he was 50
But as much as it pains me to say, that is a pretty bad ass block from Smith, didn’t go low, just dropped the shoulder.
Herndon sucked
I mean the pass was thrown right to him.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I'm surprisingly not celebrating this.
It’s like MFAN said above. I guess it’s for Babineaux, but basically because of Raheem Brock. Eh, I could go either way. On a better team he could penetrate the poket, on a team playing from behind the value wasn’t there. It would have been nice to have him cut for a better cog moving forward.
Raheem Brock
Would have tied for the lead in sacks on the seahawks last year, in which he played in a 3-4. Olb get the just of the sacks in the def. I’m excited for raheem. Basically a cheaper alternative for patrick kerneys roster spot
by Bruto56 on Sep 7, 2010 1:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's an awfully risky thing to do.
May not sit well with players either.
It appears
They don’t give two shits. I kind of admire the cavalier attitude and all but… I don’t know.
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm only certain that it's a big part of it
just as I’m certain it’s not the whole story. But this is the 2nd time in as many days where we’ve made a “money move” so it’s gotta count for something I suppose
by ErictheHawksFan on Sep 7, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Players get the raw end of the deal anyway.
I think they’re just happy to be resigned because of how quickly you can fall out of the league.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
This doesn't make any difference money-wise
It’s possible we re-signed Babineaux to a cheaper contract, but in that case why not just renegotiate with him on the roster a la Julius Jones?
It just looks a bit lost to me. This isn’t a day-one roster move, it’s just…cutting one guy, then cutting another to get the first guy back. Huh?
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 7, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude not cool!
Everyone knows he stayed on the team because he was a really sexy superman.
by Joshua Kasparek on Sep 7, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Babs may have balked....
then reconsidered after his release.
Maybe he found no takers on the open market, and changed his tune
Rather take less cash and stay in Seattle than get the same deal (or worse) on a new team.
Why is it with these articles
They always post crap about where the player winds up. It’s like “Mike Holmgren will probably look at him because get it he worked for the hawks once.”
Yay, they got one right out of the 1500 moves they made.
Sorry if I’m having trouble getting excited over a move that should have happened 3 years ago.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
They got this one right
And as the season plays out and you see faces like andrews, gibson, brock, and all the other FAs they brought in, you will be very very happy you do not see the names Vallos, Jackson, Locklear, etc. We have replaced our gartbage backups with players who have actual done something in the NFL
by Bruto56 on Sep 7, 2010 1:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Andrews has done nothing notable in the NFL
And neither has Gibson.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Andrews was a franchise tag player in the NFL
Not saying that really means anything substantial, but it is certainly notable, especially given the position he plays. It resulted in him being a $7 million per year offensive tackle. All of this preceded a torn ACL, which derailed his career. FO clearly thinks that he has recovered from his injury, which nagged him last season.
Shayne Graham was a franchise tag player
Andrews doesn’t fit the ZBS and he was benched last year.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Did you read my post?
…especially given the position he plays
Look up the rules of franchise tags. Franchising a kicker means that you will end up paying him a couple million, while the Bengals thought he was a $7 million per year offensive tackle.
which nagged him last season
He tore his ACL in January 2009. He hadn’t fully recovered last year, which isn’t surprising. I would take the risk that he can recover.
It is really difficult for a lineman to recover from a knee injury
I’m just very apprehensive about this move.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
With Willis being out for the year, I don't mind the extra depth
But I am nervous that he’ll start at RT too soon. If I had my way I would have kept Wrotto over trading for Andrews….but other than that he’s not taking a better player’s spot.
I hope.
I don't know, I think I'm just frustrated.
Before all this, we had a not very good team and now we still have a not very good team, but now its not even recognizable. This probably makes us better, so I should be happy.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 7, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Unrecognizable?
Andrews is a name people know. Vallos is not. Raheem brock is a name people know. Craig terril is not. I like what is being done
by Bruto56 on Sep 7, 2010 2:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think if you polled most Seahawk fans, more would know Vallos than Andrews by far.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Yes, Vallos is more well known; as a revolving door
That is about it. The best lineman are the ones that you don’t know.
Goodbye Craig
I won’t miss him almost getting to the QB and not making a sack, or getting embarrassed in the run game.
by Christopher M Olson on Sep 7, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions
I lost faith
in the Vickerson being cut due to injury/health concerns notion when I saw how quickly the Broncos picked him up. But hey, Terrill is gone and out of the DT rotation and Babineaux is back as hopefully now cheap(er) secondary depth.
I will agree
The vickerson release was a shock. He seemed to garner big size and strenghth for a DT that I was excited about
by Bruto56 on Sep 7, 2010 1:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah because the Broncos are so savvy on player personnel decisions
Trading a first rounder for Alphnso Smith who was cut…trading UP to draft Tim Tebow…
by MattPD on Sep 7, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew somebody would take that comment as endorsing the Broncos FO
but I’m just thinking that any team picking him up that quickly means he isn’t hurt. You’re right though, looking at how McDaniels and Co. have been running that ship lately, that assumption could be inaccurate.
I guess Bryant or EJ could slide over there, if needed
But yeah….I would have preferred making Vickerson play the under than just cutting him.
Look on the bright side
more time for his musical career.
My favorite Craig Terrill memory is the time his truck got broken into. If I recall correctly, everything was stolen except the box of Craig Terrill Band albums in the back seat. Always irked me to see that guy get nice gigs based solely on the fact that he was a Seahawk, but the music business is quirky like that.
"Have a good time all the time" - Viv Savage, Spinal Tap
by HawksFanHernandez on Sep 7, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
Money money
The Seahawks reduced Julius Jones’ scheduled $2.45 million salary Monday. They reached agreement Tuesday with recently released safety Jordan Babineaux on a contract less expensive than his previous $2.45 million salary.
Releasing Craig Terrill to make room on the roster for Babineaux erased from the books a scheduled $1.15 million salary for Terrill (potentially offset by what Babineaux or others signed to the roster are earning). Defensive tackle Kevin Vickerson, released over the weekend, was scheduled to earn $1.759 million. Right tackle Sean Locklear has been on the trading block with a scheduled 2010 salary of $5.45 million. The Seahawks previously reduced Leroy Hill’s salary from $6 million to $2.125 million, plus incentives.
I wonder what they are paying Andrews.
Pete says Andrews is going to play right tackle, so I would imagine it would make Locklear “expendable.” I wonder if the money-saving is because we are going to bring in a big fish, or if we’re just preparing to re-sign player contracts and get ready for our #1 draft pick next year…
I am kind of hoping that it is for current guys and draft picks
I am done with big free agent splashes. If BMFMW blows up, he won’t be cheap.
Maybe this was discused in comments from the last several days
From Rotoworld: Signed a six-year, $38.9 million contract. The incentive-laden deal contains $8.72 million guaranteed, including a $3 million roster bonus in the first year. 2010: $1.15 million (+ $4.1 million roster bonus due 4/4 + $500,000 workout bonus), 2011: $4.75 million, 2012: $5.574 million, 2013: $7 million, 2014: $6.75 million, 2015: Free Agent
I’m guessing the Eagles are paid him the $4M roster bonus and he only is due $1M this year from the Seahawks. Then he gets expensive again.
This would be excellent if it was at the beginning of the free agency period.
Probably says something about what they expect the cap situation to be next year though.
I typed "Money in the pocket" in Russian
My moniker is not just there to be really annoying to spell, I may be Dutch but I do study Russian. Badly!
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 8, 2010 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Now you are coming around to my way of thinking
We are going to have extra cash, lots of cap room and no extra baggage when we enter FA. Thats assuming that we get one since it won’t start until there is a new CBA.
I haven't read all the comments yet
but WOOHOO!! From the country music to the beer belly to the general mediocrity…Man…like I love this 2010 squad so much more now. And Pete Carroll.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Sort of on-topic.
According to Clare Farnsworth, we’ve made 180 roster moves. Make that 181 with Terrill.
Farnsworth also talks to Schneider about each of their free-agent grabs from this weekend. It is interesting to see the reasons Schneider claims to have made these changes.
Pretty crazy they actually built a psuedo 'draft board' for the roster cuts weekend
Guessing who’d be cut, and who’d they attempt to get.
Tells me there is some method to the seeming madness.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Yeah, method.
The draft board for the weekend was interesting for me, too.
It sounds like Andrews was a trade that kept getting offered. Schneider’s like Will Farrell in Austin Powers: if you ask 3 times, he can’t say no!
I have to say it. Building a cut day draft board qualifies as proactive.
Even of the non-stop variety.
They might not call it a "cut day draft board"
But every team tracks players that could become available via release or trade.
by lemonverbena on Sep 8, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I expect they do, but I don't know to what extent.
Certainly this demonstrates more diligence in it than anything else I’ve ever seen reported.
by jacobstevens on Sep 8, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe there's something in Schneider's contract
Where he gets paid by the transaction?
by Strictnine on Sep 7, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dirtbag!!!!
Evan Dietrich-Smith. As Carroll did in assessing the former USC players during the college draft, Schneider used his first-hand knowledge of the former Packers offensive lineman. Schneider came to the Seahawks in January from Green Bay
"So I obviously have a good feel for who their younger ascending players are," Schneider said. "We’re adding a guy that maybe doesn’t have ideal size (6-2, 308), but is an extremely smart, tough, quick and nasty football player."
Hasselbeck likens the Seahawks cuts to an "avalanche"
From his twitter:
My roommate got caught in the avalanche. RT @TerrillMusic: Thanks to the Seahawks for 6 great years. 30 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter
It must be p hard on the players
Hope the locker room is still behind PC.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 8, 2010 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Just when we thought Babs was OUT...
…they bring him back IN.
Sorry, shitty reference.
FINALLY! My god I've been waiting for them to cut this loser (Terrill) for like what, five years now?
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
So...he's getting a blow job while riding a mechanical horse?
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 7, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
To answer the question about just cutting Terrill first...
Totally a cost saving move.
By cutting Babs and re-signing him to the vet minimum, we save and re-coup some of the Housh money back. Risky for certain… but I like the thought process.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
PS: Screen name isn't what you think it means.
I wonder how many teams, if any, contacted him.
I like Babs, but he’s not really a known commodity. He’s made a couple of big plays over the last several years any those have buoyed him despite bad pass coverage and worse run support.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
by Wayward Llama on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions
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